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The whose fault was WW2 thread; split from ‘eight wing violence’
Topic Started: Feb 5 2018, 08:57 PM (888 Views)
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That's right HH just like Hitler wasn't to blame for atarting WW2 ,it was the bastard soldiers whp pulled the triggers.
Hitler gave the orders to the soldiers.

Are you saying the EU ordered this man to pull the trigger?
It wasn't Hitler's fault our soldiers died in ww2.. It was Churchill's fault.. for sticking his beak in & caved into the Rothschilds pressure.

The E.U have no business here..

Don't be like Churchill. Blood will be upon you.
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Hitler gave the orders to the soldiers.

Are you saying the EU ordered this man to pull the trigger?
It wasn't Hitler's fault our soldiers died in ww2.. It was Churchill's fault.. for sticking his beak in & caved into the Rothschilds pressure.

The E.U have no business here..

Don't be like Churchill. Blood will be upon you.
Churchill may have had his faults, he was as human as the rest of us, but by God he was there to lead and inspire our nation and people through its darkest hour. This nation owes him an unpayable debt.

Now watch as the right wing "patriots" on here who so often hark back to the war say nothing in response to Bliss slagging off Churchill and singing the praises of the Nazis who bombed our cities.
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Hitler gave the orders to the soldiers.

Are you saying the EU ordered this man to pull the trigger?
It wasn't Hitler's fault our soldiers died in ww2.. It was Churchill's fault.. for sticking his beak in & caved into the Rothschilds pressure.

The E.U have no business here..

Don't be like Churchill. Blood will be upon you.


Excuse me ?

Now you've confirmed my suspicions ,and frankly im bloody ashamed you call yourself a Leaver ,you do the cause NO good and I'd rather we'd remained than had your vote or those of people like you .
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Ah so your a fan of the old Nazi ' I was just following orders ' routine ,interesting
Er, how do you work that one out?


You said Hitler gave orders ,the Italian guy chose. You imply the 'soldiers' had no choice
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Er, how do you work that one out?


You said Hitler gave orders ,the Italian guy chose. You imply the 'soldiers' had no choice
The German soldiers were duty bound to follow orders but that does not excuse atrocities carried out by German forces against civilians.

The guy in Italy was in any case not a soldier and not under orders. I really don't see what point you are trying to make.
Edited by Happy Hornet, Feb 5 2018, 09:52 PM.
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It wasn't Hitler's fault our soldiers died in ww2.. It was Churchill's fault.. for sticking his beak in & caved into the Rothschilds pressure.

The E.U have no business here..

Don't be like Churchill. Blood will be upon you.
Churchill may have had his faults, he was as human as the rest of us, but by God he was there to lead and inspire our nation and people through its darkest hour. This nation owes him an unpayable debt.

Now watch as the right wing "patriots" on here who so often hark back to the war say nothing in response to Bliss slagging off Churchill and singing the praises of the Nazis who bombed our cities.
Which was all Churchill's fault..

Hitler wanted us on his side, Churchill didn't want too.. You can blame him for dead relatives, our darkest hours were caused by that spineless overweight idiot.
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It wasn't Hitler's fault our soldiers died in ww2.. It was Churchill's fault.. for sticking his beak in & caved into the Rothschilds pressure.

The E.U have no business here..

Don't be like Churchill. Blood will be upon you.


Excuse me ?

Now you've confirmed my suspicions ,and frankly im bloody ashamed you call yourself a Leaver ,you do the cause NO good and I'd rather we'd remained than had your vote or those of people like you .
I didn't vote...
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!mod-s! jeez I’m offline for 15 hours and look what happens  ::)

I’ve split this out as a separate discussion. A question has been posed as to whether ‘the mods should do their job’ about some apparently BS posts. Here’s my take on that:

It is against the rules to post false information and while clearly I and others believe the OP to be false imho that rule should only be acted on formally in two circumstances:

a) if the false info is deliberately posted knowing it was false (and I don’t believe that is the case here)
b) if the false information prejudices a living person (and I don’t believe that either in this case)

While the normal rule is no one can question a mod notice post in main forum I believe that should not apply to this post

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Here we have a bloke who wants to proffer a rather controversial but interesting premise.
I would love to read this debate if it were conducted without fallacies, ad Homs etc.
I remember Freedom on the last forum trying to debate the philosophy of Ayn Rand but was constantly barracked and left the forum.
Maybe we should let someone who supports the political views of Hitler actually lay them out to us and not react like maiden Aunts being presented with a porno mag.
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Churchill may have had his faults, he was as human as the rest of us, but by God he was there to lead and inspire our nation and people through its darkest hour. This nation owes him an unpayable debt.

Now watch as the right wing "patriots" on here who so often hark back to the war say nothing in response to Bliss slagging off Churchill and singing the praises of the Nazis who bombed our cities.
Which was all Churchill's fault..

Hitler wanted us on his side, Churchill didn't want too.. You can blame him for dead relatives, our darkest hours were caused by that spineless overweight idiot.
Just think! You could have rid the U.K. of it's Jews, too!

Missed opportunity, eh?
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Which was all Churchill's fault..

Hitler wanted us on his side, Churchill didn't want too.. You can blame him for dead relatives, our darkest hours were caused by that spineless overweight idiot.
Just think! You could have rid the U.K. of it's Jews, too!

Missed opportunity, eh?
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Well Churchill didn’t seem to give much value to the lives of people he thought lesser beings and both the US and Canada are the bastard sons of deliberate and cynical genocide.
The Nazis hatred of another ethnic group is hardly novel is it?
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Well Churchill didn’t seem to give much value to the lives of people he thought lesser beings and both the US and Canada are the bastard sons of deliberate and cynical genocide.
The Nazis hatred of another ethnic group is hardly novel is it?
What did the Anglo Saxons do to the indigenous inhabitants of YOUR island when they goose-stepped ashore?

BTW, I thought that you had stomped off?
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Well Churchill didn’t seem to give much value to the lives of people he thought lesser beings and both the US and Canada are the bastard sons of deliberate and cynical genocide.
The Nazis hatred of another ethnic group is hardly novel is it?
What did the Anglo Saxons do to the indigenous inhabitants of YOUR island when they goose-stepped ashore?

BTW, I thought that you had stomped off?


I don’t know , what did they do?
That’s because you didn’t read the posts again.
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well, arguably, ww2 was our fault because we beat the germans in 1918 and imposed such shame on them they came back nastier than ever ...
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Well Churchill didn’t seem to give much value to the lives of people he thought lesser beings and both the US and Canada are the bastard sons of deliberate and cynical genocide.
The Nazis hatred of another ethnic group is hardly novel is it?
What did the Anglo Saxons do to the indigenous inhabitants of YOUR island when they goose-stepped ashore?

BTW, I thought that you had stomped off?
can you be a bit more specific about time scales

i ask because the vikings came, went to france, came back,... by which time saxons were the english indigenous population...
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Well Churchill didn’t seem to give much value to the lives of people he thought lesser beings and both the US and Canada are the bastard sons of deliberate and cynical genocide.
The Nazis hatred of another ethnic group is hardly novel is it?
What did the Anglo Saxons do to the indigenous inhabitants of YOUR island when they goose-stepped ashore?

BTW, I thought that you had stomped off?
can you be a bit more specific about time scales

i ask because the vikings came, went to france, came back,... by which time saxons were the english indigenous population...

Yup those Normans .
I don’t think that even the Norman invasion was in the same class as the genocide the Americas. The only modern day equivalent would be if the Nazis prevailed in Russia and Ukraine .IMO
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i ask because the vikings came, went to france, came back,... by which time saxons were the english indigenous population...
Really?

http://www.thehistoryofenglish.com/history_old.html


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Your genome maps show the results of an Anglo Saxon Jutish genocide of the indigenous population (since the beginning of the Bronze Age or Neolithic populations) pushed to the westernmost fringes of your island.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/new-genetic-map-of-britain-shows-successive-waves-of-immigration-going-back-10000-years-10117361.html
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Your genome maps show the results of an Anglo Saxon Jutish genocide of the indigenous population (since the beginning of the Bronze Age or Neolithic populations) pushed to the westernmost fringes of your island.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/new-genetic-map-of-britain-shows-successive-waves-of-immigration-going-back-10000-years-10117361.html


‘The DNA samples showed this migration involved intermarriage with the Romano-British Celts rather than wholesale ethnic cleansing, as some historians have suggested.’
Not genocide.
For genocide I would look out your window and see how many indigenous people you can see.

In a world where the Third Reich triumphed over the USSR, killed or enslaved the Slavonic people .
I wonder how long it would be before their descendants denied that they were living on stolen land?
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Speaking of indigenous populations:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/feb/07/first-modern-britons-dark-black-skin-cheddar-man-dna-analysis-reveals

The Daily Mail are gonna love this 😂
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worth a thread of its own that

I bet a lot of people choked over their Maily Expressographs this morning to realise that their kick out the non indigenous views mean they will be booting their own white backsides out of the door

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worth a thread of its own that

I bet a lot of people choked over their Maily Expressographs this morning to realise that their kick out the non indigenous views mean they will be booting their own white backsides out of the door

I think you're right, I'll start a thread. Just gonna put on my tin helmet and flak jacket and dig my fox hole first 👍
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British people 10000 years ago had a nice dark tan and blue eyes eh? :thumbsup:
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Right the indigenous discussion is now at this thread:

http://w11.zetaboards.com/UK_Debate_Mk_2/topic/30492969/

Please can we leave this thread to the who started WW2 discussion
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Churchill may have had his faults, he was as human as the rest of us, but by God he was there to lead and inspire our nation and people through its darkest hour. This nation owes him an unpayable debt.

Now watch as the right wing "patriots" on here who so often hark back to the war say nothing in response to Bliss slagging off Churchill and singing the praises of the Nazis who bombed our cities.
Which was all Churchill's fault..

Hitler wanted us on his side, Churchill didn't want too.. You can blame him for dead relatives, our darkest hours were caused by that spineless overweight idiot.
So after a whole queue of posters told you it wasn’t Churchill but Chamberlain who declared war on Germany thereby starting WW2 can you say if you now accept that as true?
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How about Chamberlain's broadcast on the radio?

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"This morning the British Ambassador in Berlin handed the German Government a
final Note stating that, unless we heard from them by 11 o'clock that they were
prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would
exist between us.

I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that
consequently this country is at war with Germany.


Good enough?
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How about Chamberlain's broadcast on the radio?

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"This morning the British Ambassador in Berlin handed the German Government a
final Note stating that, unless we heard from them by 11 o'clock that they were
prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would
exist between us.

I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that
consequently this country is at war with Germany.


Good enough?
Think he’s gone all Greta Garbo
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How about Chamberlain's broadcast on the radio?

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"This morning the British Ambassador in Berlin handed the German Government a
final Note stating that, unless we heard from them by 11 o'clock that they were
prepared at once to withdraw their troops from Poland, a state of war would
exist between us.

I have to tell you now that no such undertaking has been received, and that
consequently this country is at war with Germany.


Good enough?
Think he’s gone all Greta Garbo


Come on Bliss. This has the potential all to be a real rip snorter of a debate.
Why not argue that although Chamberlain was the pm when the U.K. declared war he was an appeaser up to that point whereas Churchill was a rabid anti apeaser from the start and wanted to arm against Germany years before the actual war. Give ‘em some stick....
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Hitler gave the orders to the soldiers.

Are you saying the EU ordered this man to pull the trigger?
It wasn't Hitler's fault our soldiers died in ww2.. It was Churchill's fault.. for sticking his beak in & caved into the Rothschilds pressure.

The E.U have no business here..

Don't be like Churchill. Blood will be upon you.


Ok . So what would of happened had the UK and it’s empire let Hitler do what he wanted?
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Which was all Churchill's fault..

Hitler wanted us on his side, Churchill didn't want too.. You can blame him for dead relatives, our darkest hours were caused by that spineless overweight idiot.
So after a whole queue of posters told you it wasn’t Churchill but Chamberlain who declared war on Germany thereby starting WW2 can you say if you now accept that as true?
Perhaps we have to express it in bigger font:

So Bliss after a whole queue of posters told you it wasn’t Churchill but Chamberlain who declared war on Germany thereby starting WW2 can you say if you now accept that as true?

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So Bliss after a whole queue of posters told you it wasn’t Churchill but Chamberlain who declared war on Germany thereby starting WW2 can you say if you now accept that as true?

I nearly spilled my coffee laughing when I read that.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/september/3/newsid_3493000/3493279.stm





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Cat does seem to have got Bliss’s keyboard on this
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For some strange reason I've only just been allowed to see this thread along with many other threads.. Hummm

Certainly I'll get back to you all.
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Feb 6 2018, 11:59 AM
Here we have a bloke who wants to proffer a rather controversial but interesting premise.
I would love to read this debate if it were conducted without fallacies, ad Homs etc.
I remember Freedom on the last forum trying to debate the philosophy of Ayn Rand but was constantly barracked and left the forum.
Maybe we should let someone who supports the political views of Hitler actually lay them out to us and not react like maiden Aunts being presented with a porno mag.
Agreed absolutely.. Isn't it pathetic that some can't seem to act like adults and debate things that are out of their comfort zone without retaliation of personal attacks.
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Which was all Churchill's fault..

Hitler wanted us on his side, Churchill didn't want too.. You can blame him for dead relatives, our darkest hours were caused by that spineless overweight idiot.
Just think! You could have rid the U.K. of it's Jews, too!

Missed opportunity, eh?
?..

What is that even suppose to mean.
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Right the indigenous discussion is now at this thread:

http://w11.zetaboards.com/UK_Debate_Mk_2/topic/30492969/

Please can we leave this thread to the who started WW2 discussion
Leave this thread to me?.. I didn't start this thread, you made the thread from one of my posts, and OT wouldn't be a debate if I spoke to myself.

Now considering I've just been allowed to see 10 threads that have been started within the last few days I suspect someone is conspiring to make me look silly here.
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Which was all Churchill's fault..

Hitler wanted us on his side, Churchill didn't want too.. You can blame him for dead relatives, our darkest hours were caused by that spineless overweight idiot.
So after a whole queue of posters told you it wasn’t Churchill but Chamberlain who declared war on Germany thereby starting WW2 can you say if you now accept that as true?
Yes.. I made a mistake.

Although Chamberlain had a very short dealings with ww2 and I still recognize Churchill as the prominent figure.
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It wasn't Hitler's fault our soldiers died in ww2.. It was Churchill's fault.. for sticking his beak in & caved into the Rothschilds pressure.

The E.U have no business here..

Don't be like Churchill. Blood will be upon you.


Ok . So what would of happened had the UK and it’s empire let Hitler do what he wanted?
Not much.. I'd guess we would have been left alone or asked to join in with the national socialist regime.. If we chose not too I'm sure we would have adapted over time some of their great economic and social structures seeing as the Germans prospered over time.
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. . . Now considering I've just been allowed to see 10 threads that have been started within the last few days I suspect someone is conspiring to make me look silly here.
There has been no hiding of threads and there is no ability in Zetaboards to selectively hide threads for some users. Check with the other mods if you don’t believe me

Which view are you using to look at threads? The one I would recommend is the Active Topics view http://w11.zetaboards.com/UK_Debate_Mk_2/search/?c=5 as that shows all threads with posts in the last 24 hours

Some use the Forum portal view: http://w11.zetaboards.com/UK_Debate_Mk_2/site/

The Index view http://w11.zetaboards.com/UK_Debate_Mk_2/index/ only shows you the last posted in thread in each sub forum





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