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The whose fault was WW2 thread; split from ‘eight wing violence’
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That's right HH just like Hitler wasn't to blame for atarting WW2 ,it was the bastard soldiers whp pulled the triggers.
Hitler gave the orders to the soldiers.

Are you saying the EU ordered this man to pull the trigger?
It wasn't Hitler's fault our soldiers died in ww2.. It was Churchill's fault.. for sticking his beak in & caved into the Rothschilds pressure.

The E.U have no business here..

Don't be like Churchill. Blood will be upon you.
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Ok . So what would of happened had the UK and it’s empire let Hitler do what he wanted?
Not much.. I'd guess we would have been left alone or asked to join in with the national socialist regime.. If we chose not too I'm sure we would have adapted over time some of their great economic and social structures seeing as the Germans prospered over time.
That's what Stalin said.
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So after a whole queue of posters told you it wasn’t Churchill but Chamberlain who declared war on Germany thereby starting WW2 can you say if you now accept that as true?
Yes.. I made a mistake.

Although Chamberlain had a very short dealings with ww2 and I still recognize Churchill as the prominent figure.
By the time the terminally ill Chamberlain resigned we were so deep into WW2 it’s unlikely any UK PM could have sued for peace without at the least dragging the UK into civil war. The appeasement rival to Churchill (Halifax) declined to pursue taking the role as he knew an appeasement PM would not be tenable

If you are saying we should never have entered WW2 then, ignoring for now that that would have reneged on a solemn pledge to Poland and France, we have to look at the reality. The Third Reich economy was inherently bankrupt and relied on plundering seized lands to keep itself going while using the constancy or war to suppress dissent. They’d have invaded us eventually and we’d have faced a decade of genocide and suppression before eventually the USA were drawn into taking on the Nazis.

The UK as we know it would have been destroyed and millions here would have been murdered. Most of us would consider that to have been a very bad thing
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Bliss - I've been following this thread with some bemusement - while I do have reservations about quite a lot of Churchill's long life, I do however strongly feel that standing up to Hitler and the Third Reich wasn't one of them.

Would you really have rather Hitler and the Third Reich became masters of Europe for the long haul? If so, may I recommend you a good therapist?
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Feb 9 2018, 10:30 AM
Bliss - I've been following this thread with some bemusement - while I do have reservations about quite a lot of Churchill's long life, I do however strongly feel that standing up to Hitler and the Third Reich wasn't one of them.

Would you really have rather Hitler and the Third Reich became masters of Europe for the long haul? If so, may I recommend you a good therapist?
Hello oddball long time no see. I hope you are well.

Yes I absolutely would rather see a Hitler like figure and third Reich like political power in Europe, this would be the absolute best situation for our troubles, not to mention the easier way of life and booming economy we would see.

We all have hopes.. We all have different visions of how we should be run, this is mine and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
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Ok . So what would of happened had the UK and it’s empire let Hitler do what he wanted?
Not much.. I'd guess we would have been left alone or asked to join in with the national socialist regime.. If we chose not too I'm sure we would have adapted over time some of their great economic and social structures seeing as the Germans prospered over time.
Do you understand the following;

That 'National Socialism' is Fascism ?

That Hitler used the guise of so called 'National Socialism' in order to hide his need to conquer other countries ?

That Hitler wanted to own Russia and make it part of his empire. Which is why Russian civilians were butchered by Nazi troops.

That Hitler was responsible for the execution of millions of innocent men women and children ?

That Hitler would have fallen very quickly but for the wealth and minerals he plundered from conquered countries ?

That because Switzerland was willing to convert stolen gold (including the gold from teeth of people executed by the Nazis), into currency, Hitler was enabled to extend the war by an estimated two years ?

How could the decent people of the UK be a part of, or live with such sickness ?
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Not much.. I'd guess we would have been left alone or asked to join in with the national socialist regime.. If we chose not too I'm sure we would have adapted over time some of their great economic and social structures seeing as the Germans prospered over time.
Do you understand the following;

That 'National Socialism' is Fascism ?

That Hitler used the guise of so called 'National Socialism' in order to hide his need to conquer other countries ?

That Hitler wanted to own Russia and make it part of his empire. Which is why Russian civilians were butchered by Nazi troops.

That Hitler was responsible for the execution of millions of innocent men women and children ?

That Hitler would have fallen very quickly but for the wealth and minerals he plundered from conquered countries ?

That because Switzerland was willing to convert stolen gold (including the gold from teeth of people executed by the Nazis), into currency, Hitler was enabled to extend the war by an estimated two years ?

How could the decent people of the UK be a part of, or live with such sickness ?
I don't believe much of your post to be of fact.. Also I'd argue national socialism and fascism isn't the same thing, maybe some similarities but not the same political stance..

Maybe you could research such.
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Bliss - If you really know what Hitler and Co. got up to during WWII, and you would still prefer to have such a regime oversee Europe today, well all I have to say is that you leave me gobsmacked, and more than a tad concerned for your cognitive and moral/spiritual wellbeing.
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Bliss - I've been following this thread with some bemusement - while I do have reservations about quite a lot of Churchill's long life, I do however strongly feel that standing up to Hitler and the Third Reich wasn't one of them.

Would you really have rather Hitler and the Third Reich became masters of Europe for the long haul? If so, may I recommend you a good therapist?
Hello oddball long time no see. I hope you are well.

Yes I absolutely would rather see a Hitler like figure and third Reich like political power in Europe, this would be the absolute best situation for our troubles, not to mention the easier way of life and booming economy we would see.

We all have hopes.. We all have different visions of how we should be run, this is mine and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
"long time no see". :rubchin: I know who 'Bliss' was the last time he was on the board :)
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Feb 9 2018, 10:42 AM
Bliss - If you really know what Hitler and Co. got up to during WWII, and you would still prefer to have such a regime oversee Europe today, well all I have to say is that you leave me gobsmacked, and more than a tad concerned for your cognitive and moral/spiritual wellbeing.
Thank you for your concern.

Yes all those poor Germans during the war.. They were just in such depression and despair and looked so unhappy lol
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Do you understand the following;

That 'National Socialism' is Fascism ?

That Hitler used the guise of so called 'National Socialism' in order to hide his need to conquer other countries ?

That Hitler wanted to own Russia and make it part of his empire. Which is why Russian civilians were butchered by Nazi troops.

That Hitler was responsible for the execution of millions of innocent men women and children ?

That Hitler would have fallen very quickly but for the wealth and minerals he plundered from conquered countries ?

That because Switzerland was willing to convert stolen gold (including the gold from teeth of people executed by the Nazis), into currency, Hitler was enabled to extend the war by an estimated two years ?

How could the decent people of the UK be a part of, or live with such sickness ?
I don't believe much of your post to be of fact.. Also I'd argue national socialism and fascism isn't the same thing, maybe some similarities but not the same political stance..

Maybe you could research such.
If you are unaware of the information in my post, that reveals two things;

1. It is yourself who needs catch-up by doing the research.
2. Your approach to Hitler is based more on imagination than on the reality.

Fascism is predominantly elitism. Hitler's believed in the superiority (i.e. elitism) of the German people, but only those who saw the world in the way he saw it. And who therefor agreed with him.
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How could the decent people of the UK be a part of, or live with such sickness ?
Some less than decent people in Britain were Nazi sympathisers.
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I don't believe much of your post to be of fact.. Also I'd argue national socialism and fascism isn't the same thing, maybe some similarities but not the same political stance..

Maybe you could research such.
If you are unaware of the information in my post, that reveals two things;

1. It is yourself who needs catch-up by doing the research.
2. Your approach to Hitler is based more on imagination than on the reality.

Fascism is predominantly elitism. Hitler's believed in the superiority (i.e. elitism) of the German people, but only those who saw the world in the way he saw it. And who therefor agreed with him.
I was just pointing out that fascism isn't the same thing as national socialism.

If you distrust me go look.
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. . .Yes I absolutely would rather see a Hitler like figure and third Reich like political power in Europe, this would be the absolute best situation for our troubles, not to mention the easier way of life and booming economy we would see. . . .
:facepalm:

So what is it that attracts you most about such

- the mass murdering of Jews?
- the mass murdering of Roma?
- the mass murdering of the disabled?
- the mass murdering of political opponents?
- the mass deaths from waging war incessantly?
- the relegation of women to be serfs?
- the intent to impose vegetarianism on all?
- the goose stepping?
- the leather?
- the bankrupt economics?

Please say
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How could the decent people of the UK be a part of, or live with such sickness ?
Some less than decent people in Britain were Nazi sympathisers.
Oh! fkn hell, no one would have known if you hadn't posted it. :facepalm:

The most totally irrelevent posted comment of the month award goes to --- PS.

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If you are unaware of the information in my post, that reveals two things;

1. It is yourself who needs catch-up by doing the research.
2. Your approach to Hitler is based more on imagination than on the reality.

Fascism is predominantly elitism. Hitler's believed in the superiority (i.e. elitism) of the German people, but only those who saw the world in the way he saw it. And who therefor agreed with him.
I was just pointing out that fascism isn't the same thing as national socialism.

If you distrust me go look.
I have looked and I have listened.

So far you have revealed a definite lack of knowledge concerning Hitler and the so called 'National Socialists'.
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The most totally irrelevent posted comment of the month award goes to --- PS.

It is NOT irrelevant at all. Some VERY powerful people in Britain were Nazi sympathisers, and that is still subject to cover-ups and 100 year rules on National Archive material.
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The most totally irrelevent posted comment of the month award goes to --- PS.

It is NOT irrelevant at all. Some VERY powerful people in Britain were Nazi sympathisers, and that is still subject to cover-ups and 100 year rules on National Archive material.
Your recently abdicated king, for one.
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Your recently abdicated king, for one.
Recently?
http://www.williamprynnesears.com/windsorduke.html

Microfilm copies of German Foreign Ministry records were found buried near Marburg in the German state of Hesse. The American Supreme Allied Commander, General Eisenhower, had realised their significance and had them removed from the archives.
The diaries do not explain how copies found their way to King George VI but a reference to a secret mission by Anthony Blunt to Germany in mid-August 1945 has been heavily censored. Officially he went to retrieve letters written by Queen Victoria to a German relative. Liddell’s meeting with Lascelles took place on August 23.
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It is NOT irrelevant at all. Some VERY powerful people in Britain were Nazi sympathisers, and that is still subject to cover-ups and 100 year rules on National Archive material.
It is absolutely irrelevant to the point being made.

It's only relevance is to the unmistakable negative approach that blights your posts. Do you really believe that you are the only one with any knowledge of British fascists ?
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It’s well known that in the 1930s a substantial minority in the UK supported what they thought were Hitler’s views (the full horror of which was not known at the time). The temporary king was only ever on the fringes of them. He was a weak minded self serving git who saw a chance that a raprochement with Germany could see him rehabilitated in the UK
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There were Nazi sympathisers . Some new more about the atrocities than others. I don’t think the full story of the final solution was generally known until just before the end of the war.
There were Stalinist sympathisers too ..even after his atrocities were well documented.
I don’t see a Nazi sympathiser much different than sympathisers of the USSR tbh.
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Your recently abdicated king, for one.
Recently?
http://www.williamprynnesears.com/windsorduke.html

Microfilm copies of German Foreign Ministry records were found buried near Marburg in the German state of Hesse. The American Supreme Allied Commander, General Eisenhower, had realised their significance and had them removed from the archives.
The diaries do not explain how copies found their way to King George VI but a reference to a secret mission by Anthony Blunt to Germany in mid-August 1945 has been heavily censored. Officially he went to retrieve letters written by Queen Victoria to a German relative. Liddell’s meeting with Lascelles took place on August 23.
"Recently" relative to the beginning of the war. ...
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The most totally irrelevent posted comment of the month award goes to --- PS.

It is NOT irrelevant at all. Some VERY powerful people in Britain were Nazi sympathisers, and that is still subject to cover-ups and 100 year rules on National Archive material.
Your theory is based on what? I've not said anything yet..

I assume you mean fascism and national socialism are the same based on them both being authoritarian, however there are differences in most other areas, do you not recognise this?
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Bliss - You claim that the Germans under the Third Reich prospered, well, putting aside all those folks who did not - the only way the economy put on a showing of wealth was by overheating it, and when even this did not work, invasion and slave labour and the stealing of other nations' resources help put off for a bit longer the inevitable collapse. The only reason for [West] German recovery after the war was the input and encouragement of democracy AND a significant financial 'leg-up' by the Western allies, particularly the US.
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The most totally irrelevent posted comment of the month award goes to --- PS.

It is NOT irrelevant at all. Some VERY powerful people in Britain were Nazi sympathisers, and that is still subject to cover-ups and 100 year rules on National Archive material.
It is a very nasty practise to change the gist of a post by selecting a single line or part of the post. You need to be more responsible when replying to a post.
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The most totally irrelevent posted comment of the month award goes to --- PS.

It is NOT irrelevant at all. Some VERY powerful people in Britain were Nazi sympathisers, and that is still subject to cover-ups and 100 year rules on National Archive material.
Your theory is based on what? I've not said anything yet..

I assume you mean fascism and national socialism are the same based on them both being authoritarian, however there are differences in most other areas, do you not recognise this?
Almost any point can be made in a positive way by different people, even when it is wrong. Holocaust denial is a good example.

Air brushing Hitler's position falls at the first hurdle because of what he did and what he stood for.

Hitler even condemned the German people before he died, which IMO proved that he did what he did for his own glorification and his own gratification, not for the benefit of the German people.
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Your theory is based on what? I've not said anything yet..

I assume you mean fascism and national socialism are the same based on them both being authoritarian, however there are differences in most other areas, do you not recognise this?
Almost any point can be made in a positive way by different people, even when it is wrong. Holocaust denial is a good example.

Air brushing Hitler's position falls at the first hurdle because of what he did and what he stood for.

Hitler even condemned the German people before he died, which IMO proved that he did what he did for his own glorification and his own gratification, not for the benefit of the German people.
Had Hitler succeeded in conquering Britain, all sorts of goodies were planned for your granny (bred by German soldiers to create a new race, for one)

https://yesterday.uktv.co.uk/hitlers-england/article/6-plans-hitler-had-britain/

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Your theory is based on what? I've not said anything yet..

I assume you mean fascism and national socialism are the same based on them both being authoritarian, however there are differences in most other areas, do you not recognise this?
Almost any point can be made in a positive way by different people, even when it is wrong. Holocaust denial is a good example.

Air brushing Hitler's position falls at the first hurdle because of what he did and what he stood for.

Hitler even condemned the German people before he died, which IMO proved that he did what he did for his own glorification and his own gratification, not for the benefit of the German people.
Well according to your way of thinking only your views are right and any disagreement is wrong, this isn't what a debate is about.

Holocaust denial aka holocaust research should be challenged imo due to the fact that the Jew's hold an extremely large influence in the media and education systems, it is my belief they hold an agenda & while it's legal to deny such history, encouragement for challenging historical data should be seen as a good thing. This could be a great heavy debate, but I'm sceptical of one due to personal attacks.
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Almost any point can be made in a positive way by different people, even when it is wrong. Holocaust denial is a good example.

Air brushing Hitler's position falls at the first hurdle because of what he did and what he stood for.

Hitler even condemned the German people before he died, which IMO proved that he did what he did for his own glorification and his own gratification, not for the benefit of the German people.
Had Hitler succeeded in conquering Britain, all sorts of goodies were planned for your granny (bred by German soldiers to create a new race, for one)

https://yesterday.uktv.co.uk/hitlers-england/article/6-plans-hitler-had-britain/



Yes but this addressed what the Germans may had done after a successful invasion during the war not if a war had never happened .
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Almost any point can be made in a positive way by different people, even when it is wrong. Holocaust denial is a good example.

Air brushing Hitler's position falls at the first hurdle because of what he did and what he stood for.

Hitler even condemned the German people before he died, which IMO proved that he did what he did for his own glorification and his own gratification, not for the benefit of the German people.
Well according to your way of thinking only your views are right and any disagreement is wrong, this isn't what a debate is about.

Holocaust denial aka holocaust research should be challenged imo due to the fact that the Jew's hold an extremely large influence in the media and education systems, it is my belief they hold an agenda & while it's legal to deny such history, encouragement for challenging historical data should be seen as a good thing. This could be a great heavy debate, but I'm sceptical of one due to personal attacks.
Pointing out the well recorded obvious is not about my opinion.

How can one challenge the death camps and the 3million --- Named --- Jews who died in them. ? Have you not seen the documentaries with actual footage of the atrocities ? Have you not seen the Nazi made documentary films on their early gassing of the deformed and genetically damaged people ?

What about Nazi soldiers, not all German, who have featured in documentaries and have admitted the atrocities.

Why were so many Jews rounded up by the Nazis in the different countries they invaded ?

There is absolutely no debate in terms of the horrors the Nazis got up to.
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we have to look at the reality. ................ They’d have invaded us eventually and we’d have faced a decade of genocide and suppression before eventually the USA were drawn into taking on the Nazis.

The UK as we know it would have been destroyed and millions here would have been murdered. Most of us would consider that to have been a very bad thing

When I look at the reality of the UK not committing to wage war on the continent I cannot help but imagine a more industrious, technologically advanced, and competitive UK today than it is now or has been since.
I'm not saying that would be the reality, but do recognise that such could quite easily have been the result had it not been for the UK's extended and costly resistance to German ambitions.

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Well according to your way of thinking only your views are right and any disagreement is wrong, this isn't what a debate is about.

Holocaust denial aka holocaust research should be challenged imo due to the fact that the Jew's hold an extremely large influence in the media and education systems, it is my belief they hold an agenda & while it's legal to deny such history, encouragement for challenging historical data should be seen as a good thing. This could be a great heavy debate, but I'm sceptical of one due to personal attacks.
Pointing out the well recorded obvious is not about my opinion.

How can one challenge the death camps and the 3million --- Named --- Jews who died in them. ? Have you not seen the documentaries with actual footage of the atrocities ? Have you not seen the Nazi made documentary films on their early gassing of the deformed and genetically damaged people ?

What about Nazi soldiers, not all German, who have featured in documentaries and have admitted the atrocities.

Why were so many Jews rounded up by the Nazis in the different countries they invaded ?

There is absolutely no debate in terms of the horrors the Nazis got up to.
It can all be debunked.. It's up to you what history you choose to believe.
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Pointing out the well recorded obvious is not about my opinion.

How can one challenge the death camps and the 3million --- Named --- Jews who died in them. ? Have you not seen the documentaries with actual footage of the atrocities ? Have you not seen the Nazi made documentary films on their early gassing of the deformed and genetically damaged people ?

What about Nazi soldiers, not all German, who have featured in documentaries and have admitted the atrocities.

Why were so many Jews rounded up by the Nazis in the different countries they invaded ?

There is absolutely no debate in terms of the horrors the Nazis got up to.
It can all be debunked.. It's up to you what history you choose to believe.
If the facts could easily be debunked they would have been debunked. Why wouldn't they ?

I am motivated by actual facts.

You seem to be either unaware of many facts that have been well documented, or you choose to ignore these well documented facts.
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Pointing out the well recorded obvious is not about my opinion.

How can one challenge the death camps and the 3million --- Named --- Jews who died in them. ? Have you not seen the documentaries with actual footage of the atrocities ? Have you not seen the Nazi made documentary films on their early gassing of the deformed and genetically damaged people ?

What about Nazi soldiers, not all German, who have featured in documentaries and have admitted the atrocities.

Why were so many Jews rounded up by the Nazis in the different countries they invaded ?

There is absolutely no debate in terms of the horrors the Nazis got up to.
It can all be debunked.. It's up to you what history you choose to believe.
Well most of us tend to believe in the well evidenced truth rather than some made up shite

But whatever floats your boat
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Steve K
Feb 11 2018, 11:39 AM
Well most of us tend to believe in the well evidenced truth rather than some made up shite

Quite.
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Curious Cdn
Feb 10 2018, 12:09 AM
Had Hitler succeeded in conquering Britain, all sorts of goodies were planned for your granny (bred by German soldiers to create a new race, for one)

https://yesterday.uktv.co.uk/hitlers-england/article/6-plans-hitler-had-britain/

Yes

But I don't think grandad had the shithole the UK has become in mind as the final solution when he set up the radars on the isle of purbeck and implemented the crude IFF it supported ...

And I don't think dad had the shithole the UK has become in mind when he took grandads extensions and made it work in the heat of the desert

And when I took over from where they left off the idea was any pole or slav thinking of entering the UK was to be deterred by battlefield nuke if need be

Somewhere, somehow, this country went seriously off the rails about 1992...
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Steve K
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My country is no shithole
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Rich
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Steve K
Feb 11 2018, 11:46 PM
My country is no shithole
Now that statement HAS to be a fact in view of the fact that so many are trying to get here and the EU is doing their level best to keep us in.
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I believe there was some element of Other countries helping themselves post WW1 that caused a backlash in Germany, well something certainly peed off the main protagonist.
Edited by Gnikkk, Feb 15 2018, 03:22 PM.
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Gnikkk
Feb 15 2018, 03:21 PM
I believe there was some element of Other countries helping themselves post WW1 that caused a backlash in Germany, well something certainly peed off the main protagonist.
Very much so.

Germany lost huge tracks of land at the end of WW1 especially to Poland and faced a quite ridiculous level of compensation payments to France that was also trying to extract revenge for it's 1870 humiliation by Germany. A further complication was Germany was not comprehensively defeated militarily with no occupation. This allowed a festering false belief in many Germans that they had not really lost the war (the certainly had) but had instead been betrayed by their then lords and masters and in Hitler's mind, Jews.

Luckily WW2 ended very differently with a clear defeat, total occupation, an immediate new enemy in Russia to focus on and, instead of penalties, Marshall Aid
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