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| Topic Started: Feb 18 2018, 07:45 PM (960 Views) | |
| Tigger | Feb 18 2018, 07:45 PM Post #1 |
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Not Poundland, Poland, not keen on Poles to be honest and the current government over there reflects what I have heard from some Poles living here, making it a criminal offence to say Poles helped in the Holocaust is a backward step that has also drawn in Israel, the country is very racist according to one of my sons who has been there and they seem intent on biting any hand that has fed them in the past. Any opinions? |
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| Steve K | Feb 18 2018, 07:46 PM Post #2 |
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Dodgy government, nice people, great beer |
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| Deleted User | Feb 18 2018, 07:52 PM Post #3 |
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I'm surprised your spawn managed to cross the ring of prayer without combusting tbh Tiggy hehe. ITS JUST A JOKE!! |
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| Rich | Feb 18 2018, 08:37 PM Post #4 |
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"Dodgy government", nothing new there then.....move along please...nothing to see. |
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| Pro Veritas | Feb 18 2018, 09:20 PM Post #5 |
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That would be a backward step if that was what the law stated, but the law stated no such thing. The law makes it an offence to claim the Polish State or Government were involved in facilitating the Holocaust. As Poland, at the time, was an occupied state under the direct control of Germany that seems reasonable. The law does NOT make it a crime to say individual Poles assisted in the Holocaust, and it is a fair bet that some Poles did. But then it is also a fair bet that some Jews did as well - the Jewish Ghetto Police for example. All The Best |
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| Tigger | Feb 18 2018, 10:02 PM Post #6 |
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Perhaps you've got a Youtube clip that might better illustrate your point? |
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| Tigger | Feb 18 2018, 10:09 PM Post #7 |
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You've got the Israeli and Polish PM in a slanging match and both are wrong! Jews and Poles both assisted the Nazi's, neither PM is being entirely honest here. I remember a conversation with a Polish bloke a few years ago and it illustrated the delusions, he told me Poland was a very strong country, I pointed out Stalin and Hitler carved the place up, no they didn't was his reply! I said that is not in the history books, we never properly surrendered was the comeback line. I then gave up arguing. |
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| Steve K | Feb 18 2018, 10:17 PM Post #8 |
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But Pro V is right. The law is about accusing the Polish state and the fact that some Poles and sadly some Jews were complicit isn't really relevant |
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| Rich | Feb 18 2018, 10:23 PM Post #9 |
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The following may be out of order...but will you claim the same of the Vichy and "quislings"?.....are their hands clean, is there a law against "outing" THEM? |
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| Steve K | Feb 18 2018, 10:33 PM Post #10 |
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There's absolutely no doubt that some French collaborated with the holocaust and I have no knowledge of France trying to suppress any of that Maybe I missed your point |
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| Rich | Feb 18 2018, 10:38 PM Post #11 |
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A law that does not exist for saying so, just as you and I have freely done so on the internet. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 18 2018, 11:02 PM Post #12 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwNXK5sSlH4
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| Oddball | Feb 19 2018, 11:17 AM Post #13 |
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I can understand 'Holocaust denial' being a touchy point, and also the part numbers of Polish folks played in facilitating it. It is also true that many more other nations nationals played their part in the 'Holocaust', including some Brits. As for dodgy government, well I reckon there is no such thing as a good government - it is always shades of grey to black. |
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| Steve K | Feb 19 2018, 11:27 AM Post #14 |
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My point about the Polish government is their plan to politicise the judiciary. Even Mugabe didn't do that |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2018, 11:37 AM Post #15 |
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I worked with. Polish woman who marries an Indian Muslim. She said that she couldn’t go back to Poland with him any more because of the abuse. She said that whereas in the U.K. the couple may get a few nasty looks , in Poland they would get approached and insulted...repeatedly. She also said that she is treated very well by the Indian people when she goes to India with him. |
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| Steve K | Feb 19 2018, 11:41 AM Post #16 |
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very sad that. We can't throw the first stone but there is some very severe racism East of berlin |
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| Oddball | Feb 19 2018, 11:45 AM Post #17 |
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Mugabe did bribe and put pressure on the judiciary, and tended to make life hell for those more upright judges. |
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| marybrown | Feb 19 2018, 12:46 PM Post #18 |
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I don't even think it is a question of religion...when the Polish came here they would have running fights with anyone who wasn't white outside the factory at 10pm..A lady called Magda had an on going thing with a Jamaican lad..the result being a brown baby...she told her parents..sent photo's of the baby..and received a 5 word communication from her father..''Don't ever come back here!'' |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2018, 12:51 PM Post #19 |
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Of course it was primarily his skin colour rather than his religion. Passers by wouldn’t know what his religion was. The fact that he was a a muslim tended to compound the issue iirc. |
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| marybrown | Feb 19 2018, 12:58 PM Post #20 |
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But both ladies in question..knew their families and their points of view..So why do it? |
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| Deleted User | Feb 19 2018, 01:00 PM Post #21 |
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Perhaps her and the Jamaican were a perfect fit. Other than that I wouldn’t know. |
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| marybrown | Feb 19 2018, 01:16 PM Post #22 |
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No..he did a runner...and ermmm left her holding the baby.. |
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| Tigger | Feb 19 2018, 10:17 PM Post #23 |
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Perhaps check out what happened in the Channel Islands before you saddle up that high horse.......... |
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| Tigger | Feb 19 2018, 10:19 PM Post #24 |
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I've seen Poles be openly racist, especially towards blacks. They just can't help themselves it would seem. |
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| Oddball | Feb 20 2018, 08:25 AM Post #25 |
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Hmmn, probably left her and the 'tax payers' holding the baby. Regrettably it does appear that Afro-Caribbean males are more prone than other ethnic groups to do a runner from such responsibilities - this has been often commented upon within their own ethnic group. |
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| Steve K | Feb 20 2018, 08:38 AM Post #26 |
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Well we're digressing but imho every baby for which single parent benefits are claimed should be DNA tested so that when the errant father (and in rare cases mother) gets DNAd for other activities they can have all their treasured possessions taken from them to pay their share. |
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| marybrown | Feb 22 2018, 12:52 PM Post #27 |
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They'll have to find them first! |
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| marybrown | Feb 22 2018, 01:18 PM Post #28 |
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They don't do it with black women..it seems that white women are the idiots of choice...What is this need to impregnate? |
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| ACH1967 | Feb 22 2018, 02:00 PM Post #29 |
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The impression I get is that the black women wouldn't put up with that kind of crap...although a friend of the family has a couple of kids and I can't remember ever having seen a dad but. |
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| Steve K | Feb 22 2018, 02:36 PM Post #30 |
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True but then if they get brought in for anything and their DNA gets taken and a match means they are slung in jail until they or a friend pays up the back maintenance they owe the state And if they rot in jail for life and never get to father again well that's a result in my book. Yes the first few would cost us more short term in prison costs but once the message got through they'll either be very careful to use condoms or very careful to never do anything they could get arrested for. Either would be good news But we won't will we? Our sentencing and law enforcing is all about protecting the rich and projecting the appearance of dealing with crimes against the rest of us |
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| marybrown | Feb 22 2018, 04:20 PM Post #31 |
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It's a thing from the States..they are called ''Baby Daddies'' and sometimes a woman can have as many 5 or 6 of them..from different fathers...obviously they don't attend any ''Father's day'' celebrations..I think they may just pay a visit on a benefit day? Edited by marybrown, Feb 22 2018, 04:24 PM.
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| Oddball | Feb 22 2018, 07:27 PM Post #32 |
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I remember way back in the early 1970s in Bristol, going to a council house in a 'notorious' estate - to deliver some furniture - I did voluntary work for a charity. The house stunk of pee and crap - the 'lady of the house had fairly obvious psycho issues - and was what could be called vulnerable'. She had a 'black' male 'visitor', she also had 5 serial 'half cast' young kids by, as I subsequently learned 5 different fathers. It seemed that the word had got around she was a 'vulnerable and easy bang'. I would say she and her kids were victims - and the taxpayer/benefit system, the 'victims' also. Edited by Oddball, Feb 22 2018, 07:29 PM.
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| marybrown | Feb 23 2018, 12:12 PM Post #33 |
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Yes I knew a woman like this in Hudds..she had 6 from different black fathers...she wasn't the sharpest knife in the box either..I can understand the ''easy sex'' bit...but what I can't get my head round is the need to impregnate..and then have nothing to do the child..leaving the state to raise them..Why? |
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| C-too | Feb 24 2018, 10:38 AM Post #34 |
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I once read a medical/psychology article that claimed that male sperm had two jobs to do. 1. Job one, fertilise the ovum. 2. Job two, defend against the sperm of another male's attempt at fertilising. This, to me, indicates a need for men to spread their genes, which might lead some males to impregnate without responsibility. An Alpha male syndrome maybe ? Then again it might just be a case of 'so what, I got what I wanted.' |
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| marybrown | Feb 24 2018, 11:24 AM Post #35 |
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It's almost an act of hate...and contempt!! |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2018, 12:08 PM Post #36 |
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Not really. The woman is not the victim. She is the one in control. She has the option of either keeping her legs together or get herself sterilised. The only victims ( unless the woman is coerced into sexual intercourse) are the child and the taxpayers. |
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| marybrown | Feb 24 2018, 12:33 PM Post #37 |
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So you think that a woman who can be visited and impregnated by random males has any control over anything?.. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2018, 12:38 PM Post #38 |
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I just told you that ..and how she can use that control. The idea that the woman is a victim is risible unless she has been sexually assaulted. If she has been visited and impregnated by random makes its means that she has opened her door and legs to those random males and not used the easily obtainable solutions to stop herself getting pregnant. |
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| marybrown | Feb 24 2018, 01:01 PM Post #39 |
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I suppose that depends on what ''hoochy coochy mama'' these guys dish out..'' I love you'' or ''let's get married'' They do pick on feeble minded women..but as soon as they are pregnant they move on to the next idiot.. These women are usually very vulnerable..and crave some sort of affection.. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 24 2018, 01:04 PM Post #40 |
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Theses so called feeble minded women seem to be feeble minded when they are presented with an opportunity to get shagged. That doesn’t stop them taking precautions dies it? |
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