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Poland!
Topic Started: Feb 18 2018, 07:45 PM (961 Views)
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Not Poundland, Poland, not keen on Poles to be honest and the current government over there reflects what I have heard from some Poles living here, making it a criminal offence to say Poles helped in the Holocaust is a backward step that has also drawn in Israel, the country is very racist according to one of my sons who has been there and they seem intent on biting any hand that has fed them in the past.

Any opinions?
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Feb 25 2018, 03:34 PM
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Feb 25 2018, 03:28 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deepUK-Debate Mary and not Birmingham-Debate

so happy to help you realise that. And now that you do why not go back and correct your "Well children of ''mixed race'' make up the majority of ''Foster children'' or children looking to be adopted."

Seeing as how in a UK
Potentially illegal? Stop it..you are making a fool of yourself...I think that this Mod job has pushed you over the edge..and your need to control..have a fortnight off.. ;D


These claims of potentially illegal and libellous posts are getting beyond a joke. Somebody give a link to Facebook and YouTube ....
Don't have to..SteveK looks up every claim you make..he likes it..Just don't get a word wrong!! !jk!
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Potentially illegal? Stop it..you are making a fool of yourself...I think that this Mod job has pushed you over the edge..and your need to control..have a fortnight off.. ;D


These claims of potentially illegal and libellous posts are getting beyond a joke. Somebody give a link to Facebook and YouTube ....
where accounts are closed down every day

Do you really want us closed down just because Mary wants to post 'material likely or with the intent of promoting racial hatred'

She was OK in the thread until she made up that massively false story and as ever when it was pointed out it becomes not her fault according to Mary
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Feb 25 2018, 05:07 PM
Grow up.
!mod-s! desist from posting insults
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Stevek .........you.......Or you could stop posting inflammatory potentially illegal shite that you've made upbecause it suits you to post inflammatory hate inducing material.
Stop posting false accusations...........Being a mod does not give you the right to post ad Homs against other posters.

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Feb 25 2018, 05:07 PM
Saying that most foster kids are mixed race ( or some shit like it) or KFC has shitty hygiene won’t get the forum shut down.
So was I posting as a mod? No. The lack of a mod symbol being a big clue

But I'm allowed an opinion and my opinion is that someone with form for posting anti ethnic material racking up and posting a completely false made up for hate purposes allegation about the ethnicity of children being fostered is in need of being challenged

And if said poster wants to keep on digging well I'm not going to shrink away


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Feb 25 2018, 06:05 PM
Stevek .........you.......Or you could stop posting inflammatory potentially illegal shite that you've made upbecause it suits you to post inflammatory hate inducing material.
Stop posting false accusations...........Being a mod does not give you the right to post ad Homs against other posters.

and you can quote the ad hom can you?

Go on then

And then we'll compare it to what you think is not such
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Saying that most foster kids are mixed race ( or some shit like it) or KFC has shitty hygiene won’t get the forum shut down.
So was I posting as a mod? No. The lack of a mod symbol being a big clue

But I'm allowed an opinion and my opinion is that someone with form for posting anti ethnic material racking up and posting a completely false made up for hate purposes allegation about the ethnicity of children being fostered is in need of being challenged

And if said poster wants to keep on digging well I'm not going to shrink away



I don’t think that I said you were posting as a mod in that post
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Stevek .........you.......Or you could stop posting inflammatory potentially illegal shite that you've made upbecause it suits you to post inflammatory hate inducing material.
Stop posting false accusations...........Being a mod does not give you the right to post ad Homs against other posters.

and you can quote the ad hom can you?

Go on then

And then we'll compare it to what you think is not such


The bold type was the give away.......
Let’s look at the ad hom you posted..an accusation of a racist agenda and the ‘insult’ you chose to highlight with a triangle...a request for you to grow up and stop making a mountain out of a molehill
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Stevek .........you.......Or you could stop posting inflammatory potentially illegal shite that you've made upbecause it suits you to post inflammatory hate inducing material.
Stop posting false accusations...........Being a mod does not give you the right to post ad Homs against other posters.

and you can quote the ad hom can you?

Go on then

And then we'll compare it to what you think is not such


The bold type was the give away.......
And the preceding "inflammatory potentially illegal shite" and later "inflammatory hate inducing material" were the attack on the content that makes it not an ad hom just referencing who felt like posting it

Perhaps you need to read this: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/ad_hominem
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ad hominem
ADVERB & ADJECTIVE
1(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


If the thrust of the challenge is against the content it isn't an ad hom

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Feb 18 2018, 07:45 PM
Not Poundland, Poland, not keen on Poles to be honest and the current government over there reflects what I have heard from some Poles living here, making it a criminal offence to say Poles helped in the Holocaust is a backward step that has also drawn in Israel, the country is very racist according to one of my sons who has been there and they seem intent on biting any hand that has fed them in the past.

Any opinions?


So let's summarise

You don't like Poles

Hitler wasn't a fan was he

You think old people should be killed off as theyre a burden on society

Your partner is as you said yourself in your own words a true Aryan

You don't like jews.

You think Germany is great.

I don't suppose you have a moustache by any chance do you ?
No tashe, I'm also not so keen on another race that runs off and joins the opposition when there is a fight in the offing.

;-)
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Feb 25 2018, 06:17 PM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deepbecause it suits you to post inflammatory hate inducing material.


The bold type was the give away.......
And the preceding "inflammatory potentially illegal shite" and later "inflammatory hate inducing material" were the attack on the content that makes it not an ad hom just referencing who felt like posting it

Perhaps you need to read this: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/ad_hominem
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ad hominem
ADVERB & ADJECTIVE
1(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.


If the thrust of the challenge is against the content it isn't an ad hom



Stop this wriggling ...it’s suits you to post inflammatory hate inducing material is an ad hom........It is a personal attack that claims the posts are less credible because of the person posting it.
We have been here before and you do not seem to either comprehend or admit you are wrong.
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Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a fallacious argumentative strategy whereby an argument is rebutted by attacking the[character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument,rather than attacking the
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ad+hominem&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-gb&client=safari



Because it suits you to post inflammatory hate inducing material.
Get it now?
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I'll let you look up the dictionary to see what "rather than" means. Seems you are doing it again.

But if you look you will see that "you do not seem to either comprehend or admit you are wrong." is a clear ad hom as was the shite that now seems to have got Pilloried
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Feb 25 2018, 06:25 PM
I'll let you look up the dictionary to see what "rather than" means. Seems you are doing it again.

But if you look you will see that "you do not seem to either comprehend or admit you are wrong." is a clear ad hom as was the shite that now seems to have got Pilloried


See post 92.
Yes we can all appreciate your double standards and it will continue while you run the SteveK inconsistent and slightly spitefully ( especially when he starts to lose )modded chat forum .
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Feb 25 2018, 06:31 PM
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I'll let you look up the dictionary to see what "rather than" means. Seems you are doing it again.

But if you look you will see that "you do not seem to either comprehend or admit you are wrong." is a clear ad hom as was the shite that now seems to have got Pilloried


See post 92.
Yes we can all appreciate your double standards and it will continue while you run the SteveK inconsistent and slightly spitefully ( especially when he starts to lose )modded chat forum .
(oh look the same old false shite about modding when someone's losing the argument - do read rule 13 gansao)

And your post 92 clearly contains that phrase 'rather than' so if the prime challenge is on content than the person then it isn't an ad hom

So please post an example of where I posted an ad hom in main foruim IE where the prime challenge is on the person



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I'll let you look up the dictionary to see what "rather than" means. Seems you are doing it again.

But if you look you will see that "you do not seem to either comprehend or admit you are wrong." is a clear ad hom as was the shite that now seems to have got Pilloried


See post 92.
Yes we can all appreciate your double standards and it will continue while you run the SteveK inconsistent and slightly spitefully ( especially when he starts to lose )modded chat forum .
(oh look the same old false shite about modding when someone's losing the argument - do read rule 13 gansao)

And your post 92 clearly contains that phrase 'rather than' so if the prime challenge is on content than the person then it isn't an ad hom

So please post an example of where I posted an ad hom in main foruim IE where the prime challenge is on the person





Because it suits you ]to post inflammatory hate inducing material


It suits YOU......don’t fucking quote the chat forum rules when you consistently lie about your trolling ......the sentence you posted clearly attacks the person.
How the you can post bare faced lies when they are consistently pointed out is beyond me.




IT SUITS YOU ...makes it a personal attack and you posted it.
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Feb 18 2018, 07:45 PM
Not Poundland, Poland, not keen on Poles to be honest and the current government over there reflects what I have heard from some Poles living here, making it a criminal offence to say Poles helped in the Holocaust is a backward step that has also drawn in Israel, the country is very racist according to one of my sons who has been there and they seem intent on biting any hand that has fed them in the past.

Any opinions?


So let's summarise

You don't like Poles

Hitler wasn't a fan was he

You think old people should be killed off as theyre a burden on society

Your partner is as you said yourself in your own words a true Aryan

You don't like jews.

You think Germany is great.

I don't suppose you have a moustache by any chance do you ?
No tashe, I'm also not so keen on another race that runs off and joins the opposition when there is a fight in the offing.

;-)


Right so don't like Italians either ,I'm sure they'll be gutted to hear that. Seems to me you and Mr H have a lot in common .

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No tashe, I'm also not so keen on another race that runs off and joins the opposition when there is a fight in the offing.

;-)


Right so don't like Italians either ,I'm sure they'll be gutted to hear that. Seems to me you and Mr H have a lot in common .



The Swiss love him. He’s transferred his post office account to a Swiss bank.
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No tashe, I'm also not so keen on another race that runs off and joins the opposition when there is a fight in the offing.

;-)


Right so don't like Italians either ,I'm sure they'll be gutted to hear that. Seems to me you and Mr H have a lot in common .

After all Hitler was a "great man" wasn't he?

;-)
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Right so don't like Italians either ,I'm sure they'll be gutted to hear that. Seems to me you and Mr H have a lot in common .



The Swiss love him. He’s transferred his post office account to a Swiss bank.
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Right so don't like Italians either ,I'm sure they'll be gutted to hear that. Seems to me you and Mr H have a lot in common .

After all Hitler was a "great man" wasn't he?

;-)


Well you certainly seem to think so ;-)
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After all Hitler was a "great man" wasn't he?

;-)


Well you certainly seem to think so ;-)
You've never really lived that daft comment down have you?

Gurn ;D
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Enough of this 'Hitler' baiting Tigger. If you have such an issue with a post reply to it in that thread (wherever it may be IF it exists)
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Well you certainly seem to think so ;-)
You've never really lived that daft comment down have you?

Gurn ;D


Nothing daft about it,Hitler was a great man ,you on the other hand are some bloke who posts on this forum that appears to share some character traits ;-)
Edited by Stonefish, Feb 26 2018, 03:24 AM.
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You've never really lived that daft comment down have you?

Gurn ;D


Nothing daft about it,Hitler was a great man ,you on the other hand are some bloke who posts on this forum but appears to share some character traits ;-)
Now, this may seem a very strange comparison to make, and it must be said that Hitler was an evil monster no mistake about that.

But in one way I equate him with the recently deceased Billy Graham, both him and Hitler managed to persuade the man in the street to go along with their own individual evangelism.

Thoughts?
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. .Hitler was a great man ,
Well that was clever wasn't it (not)

Now you can be reminded of that post for say another 2 years then
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. .Hitler was a great man ,
Well that was clever wasn't it (not)

Now you can be reminded of that post for say another 2 years then


Not a problem for me i'm open for debate on it, but unless i'm mistaken trolling is against the rules ?
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Nothing daft about it,Hitler was a great man ,you on the other hand are some bloke who posts on this forum but appears to share some character traits ;-)
Now, this may seem a very strange comparison to make, and it must be said that Hitler was an evil monster no mistake about that.

But in one way I equate him with the recently deceased Billy Graham, both him and Hitler managed to persuade the man in the street to go along with their own individual evangelism.

Thoughts?


That is sort of my point when I call him 'great' , he was certainly a great historical figure ; yes a monster but there were and are plenty of those about .Goebbels was right up there and how about Himmler , arguably worse than Hitler in the monster stakes.
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. .Hitler was a great man ,
Well that was clever wasn't it (not)

Now you can be reminded of that post for say another 2 years then


Not a problem for me i'm open for debate on it, but unless i'm mistaken trolling is against the rules ?
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Yep

But if an opinion is expressed without any referenced evidence imho it is not trolling to introduce relevant material that allows us to judge the validity of that opinion. 'Relevance' will always be a judgement call and it would be folly to assume that judgement can always be got right either by a poster or moderator

You unfortunately chose to repeat that "Hitler was a great man" comment just as I'd ruled that it was trolling to introduce a prior comment of yours on those lines from years back

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Not a problem for me i'm open for debate on it, but unless i'm mistaken trolling is against the rules ?
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Yep

But if an opinion is expressed without any referenced evidence imho it is not trolling to introduce relevant material that allows us to judge the validity of that opinion. 'Relevance' will always be a judgement call and it would be folly to assume that judgement can always be got right either by a poster or moderator

You unfortunately chose to repeat that "Hitler was a great man" comment just as I'd ruled that it was trolling to introduce a prior comment of yours on those lines from years back


Yeah, tbh completely lost you there.

It would seem to me that a one off reference to something I said before should be far less considered trolling than repeated reference to that comment
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Saying that most foster kids are mixed race ( or some shit like it) or KFC has shitty hygiene won’t get the forum shut down.
So was I posting as a mod? No. The lack of a mod symbol being a big clue

But I'm allowed an opinion and my opinion is that someone with form for posting anti ethnic material racking up and posting a completely false made up for hate purposes allegation about the ethnicity of children being fostered is in need of being challenged

And if said poster wants to keep on digging well I'm not going to shrink away


No one knows whether you have your mod hat on...it's like playing poker and you suddenly produce a fifth ace from up your sleeve!!

Nice cop..nasty cop?
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Saying that most foster kids are mixed race ( or some shit like it) or KFC has shitty hygiene won’t get the forum shut down.
So was I posting as a mod? No. The lack of a mod symbol being a big clue

But I'm allowed an opinion and my opinion is that someone with form for posting anti ethnic material racking up and posting a completely false made up for hate purposes allegation about the ethnicity of children being fostered is in need of being challenged

And if said poster wants to keep on digging well I'm not going to shrink away


No one knows whether you have your mod hat on...it's like playing poker and you suddenly produce a fifth ace from up your sleeve!!

Nice cop..nasty cop?


Yes,it does look like that , I'm not a mod ,'I'm not a mod ,I'm not a mod ......now I'm a mod !!!
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No one knows whether you have your mod hat on...it's like playing poker and you suddenly produce a fifth ace from up your sleeve!!

Nice cop..nasty cop?


Yes,it does look like that , I'm not a mod ,'I'm not a mod ,I'm not a mod ......now I'm a mod !!!
I could ask which part of "The lack of a mod symbol being a big clue" do you both need translating into even simpler English but of course you both know so are just making up yet another false allegation in order to troll

So here comes a mod symbol

!mod-s! desist from this trolling



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Yes,it does look like that , I'm not a mod ,'I'm not a mod ,I'm not a mod ......now I'm a mod !!!
I could ask which part of "The lack of a mod symbol being a big clue" do you both need translating into even simpler English but of course you both know so are just making up yet another false allegation in order to troll

So here comes a mod symbol

!mod-s! desist from this trolling



MOD HAT ON!!!!
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The law makes it an offence to claim the Polish State or Government were involved in facilitating the Holocaust.

As Poland, at the time, was an occupied state under the direct control of Germany that seems reasonable.
It is not reasonable. It is a crude and reprehensible attempt to deny that many polish government officials in Poland did facilitate the Holocaust.

It is fast becoming time when Poland needs to choose between repression and staying in the EU. It cannot repress freedom and continue to enjoy the economic perks of the EU. Shape up or ship out
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The law makes it an offence to claim the Polish State or Government were involved in facilitating the Holocaust.

As Poland, at the time, was an occupied state under the direct control of Germany that seems reasonable.
It is not reasonable. It is a crude and reprehensible attempt to deny that many polish government officials in Poland did facilitate the Holocaust.

It is fast becoming time when Poland needs to choose between repression and staying in the EU. It cannot repress freedom and continue to enjoy the economic perks of the EU. Shape up or ship out
Oh please, stop with SJW bullshit and deal with facts.

Poland was UNDER THE CONTROL OF AN OCCUPYING ENEMY FORCE at the time, and that occupying force was, de facto if not de jure, the ONLY "Official Government" in power.

The Polish State did NOT facilitate the Holocaust, fact they were a victim of it: There were 3,000,000 Jews killed in Death Camps on Polish soil during the Holocaust, and there were 2,500,000 ethnic Poles who also died in the same manner.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust_in_Poland

I have no doubt some Polish officials assisted in the Holocaust but to suggest that the Holocaust was the "Official Government Policy" of the Poland State, or that the Polish State en masse facilitated such is both disingenuous and crass revisionism.

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