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Mass shootings in USA; renamed from "27 dead" in Texas Church shooting
Topic Started: Nov 5 2017, 08:29 PM (401 Views)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41880511

What to say? Another appalling massacre but we don't really know the background yet
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Thank God it's only 27 slaughtered.........................
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They're happening less than a week apart, now. This is the "new normal", I guess.
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Nov 5 2017, 08:39 PM
They're happening less than a week apart, now. This is the "new normal", I guess.
NORMAL????.....ffs, let's make it abnormal and pdq.
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Nov 5 2017, 08:48 PM
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They're happening less than a week apart, now. This is the "new normal", I guess.
NORMAL????.....ffs, let's make it abnormal and pdq.
Yes but this scale of massacre is now occurring more or less weekly, now.

No one is even talking anymore. This one may be forgotten about by Friday.
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They're happening less than a week apart, now. This is the "new normal", I guess.
NORMAL????.....ffs, let's make it abnormal and pdq.
Yes but this scale of massacre is now occurring more or less weekly, now.

No one is even talking anymore. This one may be forgotten about by Friday.
Well, the following is all I could find on the net, it was not mentioned on the BBC news at 22:00 hrs.

google link
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Yes but this scale of massacre is now occurring more or less weekly, now.

No one is even talking anymore. This one may be forgotten about by Friday.
Well, the following is all I could find on the net, it was not mentioned on the BBC news at 22:00 hrs.

google link
Baptist Church ... Black baptist?
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Yes but this scale of massacre is now occurring more or less weekly, now.

No one is even talking anymore. This one may be forgotten about by Friday.
Well, the following is all I could find on the net, it was not mentioned on the BBC news at 22:00 hrs.

google link
Yes it was. Just watched it again. Mentioned at the start and was the second item (starting ar 12 minutes 19 seconds in)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09bztwd/bbc-weekend-news-05112017

And why did you post such a long link when one was in the OP and you know that causes screen issues?
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The mass shooter who opened fireĀ inside a Texas church killing at least 27 - including a two-year-old child - has been identified as a 26-year-old former Bible study teacher who was dishonorably discharged from the US Air Force.
Devin Patrick Kelley walked into the First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, dressed in full combat gear, and began shooting, according to local law enforcement sources.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5052163/Up-27-shot-Texas-church-gunman-opens-fire.html

It's headlines on on-line media



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Wedded to guns - RIP to the victims and the hundreds of thousands in the times yet to come.
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Another terrible attack, RIP the victims.
300m guns in the US, how do they get everyone to give them up?
I would start with looking at everyone's use of certain pharmaceuticals regardless of whether or not they played a part in this particular incident.

How do you get criminals to give up their guns?
Seems impossible.
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It would take 100 years to get America's guns down to sensible levels. An overnight ban would never happen and might well make things worse in many eyes. There are reports this shooting only stopped because others had guns

But if it takes 100 years is that any reason not to stop reversing the tide now
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The report I saw this afternoon said "two men followed him after the incident" and "an armed bystander" (whether one of the men who followed him or not, I do not know) "shot him in the stomach", which apparently gave him time to phone his father before shooting himself.

Whilst certain ass holes on arsebook spread a story that he was an antifa anarchist the bbc would prefer you to believe this was caused by him having a spat with his mother in law.

Thank God he wasn't a mormon.
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The report I saw this afternoon said "two men followed him after the incident" and "an armed bystander" (whether one of the men who followed him or not, I do not know) "shot him in the stomach", which apparently gave him time to phone his father before shooting himself.

Whilst certain ass holes on arsebook spread a story that he was an antifa anarchist the bbc would prefer you to believe this was caused by him having a spat with his mother in law.

Thank God he wasn't a mormon.
Multiple news sources have that detail John, This loser was an extreme atheist and it seems his 2nd wife was a Sunday school teacher at that church

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The report I saw this afternoon said "two men followed him after the incident" and "an armed bystander" (whether one of the men who followed him or not, I do not know) "shot him in the stomach", which apparently gave him time to phone his father before shooting himself.

Whilst certain ass holes on arsebook spread a story that he was an antifa anarchist the bbc would prefer you to believe this was caused by him having a spat with his mother in law.

Thank God he wasn't a mormon.
Multiple news sources have that detail John, This loser was an extreme atheist and it seems his 2nd wife was a Sunday school teacher at that church

fairy nuff, i heard it on the car radio on the (now much shorter) commute.

I think i understand why i dont watch any tv these days; it would depress me
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It's good news then! A bad guy with a gun was stopped by a good guy with a gun.That must mean............

More guns please!

What a shame it's not a joke, right?
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Nov 6 2017, 08:53 AM
It would take 100 years to get America's guns down to sensible levels. An overnight ban would never happen and might well make things worse in many eyes. There are reports this shooting only stopped because others had guns

But if it takes 100 years is that any reason not to stop reversing the tide now
As long as criminals have guns,I would want one.When they give them up,I would give them up.Until then as far as I am concerned debate is over on guns. You have to remember a lot of Americans live in rural communities with 1 police officer on duty who can take between 15-30 mins to respond,and always after the event, I might add. No Thank you, I would prefer to take my chances protecting my own family and property.
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It would take 100 years to get America's guns down to sensible levels. An overnight ban would never happen and might well make things worse in many eyes. There are reports this shooting only stopped because others had guns

But if it takes 100 years is that any reason not to stop reversing the tide now
As long as criminals have guns,I would want one. . .
Very true for a country where such criminal possession is so prolific and you are far from alone but . .
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When they give them up,I would give them up.Until then as far as I am concerned debate is over on guns. You have to remember a lot of Americans live in rural communities with 1 police officer on duty who can take between 15-30 mins to respond,and always after the event, I might add. No Thank you, I would prefer to take my chances protecting my own family and property.

But does that self defence argument justify the following
- ownership of semi automatic rifles
- owning any distance killing weapon (ie rifles) without legitimate reason (hunting, stock protection by persons of established good character)
- ownership of serious multiple numbers of guns
- allowing guns to be bought at gun shows where no background checks take place
- allowing concealed carry of weapons by the general public
- allowing convicted criminals to hold guns

No

So the first step for the USA is making those explicitly illegal and enforce those laws. As the threat level reduces then they could move to remove guns from the population -sadly many of gun deaths in the USA occur in the home.

As I said, it would take 100 years but that's no reason why they shouldn't start now

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Nov 14 2017, 07:28 AM
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Nov 6 2017, 08:53 AM
It would take 100 years to get America's guns down to sensible levels. An overnight ban would never happen and might well make things worse in many eyes. There are reports this shooting only stopped because others had guns

But if it takes 100 years is that any reason not to stop reversing the tide now
As long as criminals have guns,I would want one. . .
Very true for a country where such criminal possession is so prolific and you are far from alone but . .
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When they give them up,I would give them up.Until then as far as I am concerned debate is over on guns. You have to remember a lot of Americans live in rural communities with 1 police officer on duty who can take between 15-30 mins to respond,and always after the event, I might add. No Thank you, I would prefer to take my chances protecting my own family and property.

But does that self defence argument justify the following
- ownership of semi automatic rifles
- owning any distance killing weapon (ie rifles) without legitimate reason (hunting, stock protection by persons of established good character)
- ownership of serious multiple numbers of guns
- allowing guns to be bought at gun shows where no background checks take place
- allowing concealed carry of weapons by the general public
- allowing convicted criminals to hold guns

No

So the first step for the USA is making those explicitly illegal and enforce those laws. As the threat level reduces then they could move to remove guns from the population -sadly many of gun deaths in the USA occur in the home.

As I said, it would take 100 years but that's no reason why they shouldn't start now

Firstly,removing guns from the American psychi will never happen. The majority treat a weapon like a right arm.If you were to take guns away by force, you would see another civil war. They live and die by that second amendment.

Secondly,I agree with you that they do go over the top and the buying and selling needs to be curtailed.

Thirdly, There are already strict laws on the ownership and buying and selling of guns, the problem is enforcement.

Last but not least. The opioid epidemic needs do be sorted drastically,which in my opinion is a major factor to the majority of these slaughters
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Last but not least. The opioid epidemic needs do be sorted drastically,which in my opinion is a major factor to the majority of these slaughters
I don't think drugs or drug dealing were involved in any of the recent mass shootings? :rubchin:

The simple and rather unpleasant fact is if you have a grudge against society it's very easy to go out with literally a bang.
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Very true for a country where such criminal possession is so prolific and you are far from alone but . .
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When they give them up,I would give them up.Until then as far as I am concerned debate is over on guns. You have to remember a lot of Americans live in rural communities with 1 police officer on duty who can take between 15-30 mins to respond,and always after the event, I might add. No Thank you, I would prefer to take my chances protecting my own family and property.

But does that self defence argument justify the following
- ownership of semi automatic rifles
- owning any distance killing weapon (ie rifles) without legitimate reason (hunting, stock protection by persons of established good character)
- ownership of serious multiple numbers of guns
- allowing guns to be bought at gun shows where no background checks take place
- allowing concealed carry of weapons by the general public
- allowing convicted criminals to hold guns

No

So the first step for the USA is making those explicitly illegal and enforce those laws. As the threat level reduces then they could move to remove guns from the population -sadly many of gun deaths in the USA occur in the home.

As I said, it would take 100 years but that's no reason why they shouldn't start now

Firstly,removing guns from the American psychi will never happen. The majority treat a weapon like a right arm.If you were to take guns away by force, you would see another civil war. They live and die by that second amendment.

Secondly,I agree with you that they do go over the top and the buying and selling needs to be curtailed.

Thirdly, There are already strict laws on the ownership and buying and selling of guns, . . .
Nope. All of those things I listed are legal in the USA.
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Last but not least. The opioid epidemic needs do be sorted drastically,which in my opinion is a major factor to the majority of these slaughters
I don't think drugs or drug dealing were involved in any of the recent mass shootings? :rubchin:

The simple and rather unpleasant fact is if you have a grudge against society it's very easy to go out with literally a bang.
Obviously you must have insider knowledge,then hey ?

Just like your Brexit arguments,pure hyperbole,especially when investigations still under way But we come to expect that of you.
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Obviously you must have insider knowledge,then hey ?

Well you made the claim about drug involvement in the recent mass shootings so offer some evidence.

If you can that is............ :)
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Obviously you must have insider knowledge,then hey ?

Well you made the claim about drug involvement in the recent mass shootings so offer some evidence.

If you can that is............ :)
Nice try,but it don't work on me. Never been into reverse psycology. You got to do a lot better than that FLUFFY :P
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Obviously you must have insider knowledge,then hey ?

Well you made the claim about drug involvement in the recent mass shootings so offer some evidence.

If you can that is............ :)
Nice try,but it don't work on me. Never been into reverse psycology. You got to do a lot better than that FLUFFY :P
It's not reverse psycology (sic) I'm just asking you if you have any proof drugs were the cause of some of the recent mass shootings.

File under that will be a no then.
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And another mass shooting, this time in Florida, "many dead, over fifty casualties".

Sick nation.
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And another mass shooting, this time in Florida, "many dead, over fifty casualties".

Sick nation.
17 dead reported

just utterly horrible. And preventable.
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And another mass shooting, this time in Florida, "many dead, over fifty casualties".

Sick nation.
17 dead reported

just utterly horrible. And preventable.
I really do not know what to say now, this sort of outrage has happened so often we have run out of adjectives to describe it.

It would appear that there is no answer whilst the gun lobby holds sway and the right to bear arms is in the US constitution. Shrugs:
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It's only 17 dead.

Hyperbole!

The bar was raised way higher than that in Vegas.

MAGA!

Edited by Curious Cdn, Feb 15 2018, 01:43 AM.
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You got to just love their interpretation of the 2nd Amendment - it makes for great business for the gun and ammunition guys, and the undertaking industry. RIP
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Feb 15 2018, 01:43 AM
It's only 17 dead.

Hyperbole!

The bar was raised way higher than that in Vegas.

MAGA!

White boy "Cruz" was a Dem voter Curious as was Paddock.
So why the MAGA? You want this to be Trumps fault somehow?
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It's only 17 dead.

Hyperbole!

The bar was raised way higher than that in Vegas.

MAGA!

White boy "Cruz" was a Dem voter Curious as was Paddock. . . .
Please post a link to back that.
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It's only 17 dead.

Hyperbole!

The bar was raised way higher than that in Vegas.

MAGA!

White boy "Cruz" was a Dem voter Curious as was Paddock. . . .
Please post a link to back that.
They changed the kids name from Nicolas which the media initially reported to Nikolas which the sheriff now says is the correct spelling, I cant find a Florida voter reg for him so will have to apologise and retract my previous claim.
For now...

What would also be interesting is finding out what meds he was on for his mental issues.
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Please post a link to back that.
They changed the kids name from Nicolas which the media initially reported to Nikolas which the sheriff now says is the correct spelling, I cant find a Florida voter reg for him so will have to apologise and retract my previous claim.
For now...

What would also be interesting is finding out what meds he was on for his mental issues.
Ta and yes the meds will be interesting. Seems his mother recently died which would have added to his stress

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-school-shooting-cruz-20180214-story.html

But that's the point, all life is stressful and in any population you will always have a very small fraction that can't rationalise that. The USA is not an easy society especially if you are less than top employable, so their lunacy is to make weapons commonplace and easily accessible to that narrow fringe of disturbed people

What's the USA going to to
- lock up all the potentially disturbed
- seriously cut the access to weapons
- have a mounting death toll from such atrocities
- live in denial that the above are the only real options

To quote senator Chris Murphy: 'This happens nowhere else'
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Feb 14 2018, 11:19 PM
And another mass shooting, this time in Florida, "many dead, over fifty casualties".

Sick nation.
17 dead reported

just utterly horrible. And preventable.
I really do not know what to say now, this sort of outrage has happened so often we have run out of adjectives to describe it.

It would appear that there is no answer whilst the gun lobby holds sway and the right to bear arms is in the US constitution. Shrugs:
Well, the beeb has at least given air space to a democrat senator from a place where another such killing took place

He claims "this happens nowhere else

Can't see much to disagree with there.
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It's only 17 dead.

Hyperbole!

The bar was raised way higher than that in Vegas.

MAGA!

White boy "Cruz" was a Dem voter Curious as was Paddock.
So why the MAGA? You want this to be Trumps fault somehow?
The "MAGA" part is Trump's very vocal support of the NRA and the gun bearing anarchy of their constitutional Second Amendment.

He fully supports the "freedom" of arming everybody because everybody in armed.
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It's only 17 dead.<br /><br />Hyperbole!<br /><br />The bar was raised way higher than that in Vegas.<br /><br />MAGA!<br /><br />
White boy "Cruz" was a Dem voter Curious as was Paddock.<br />So why the MAGA? You want this to be Trumps fault somehow?
The "MAGA" part is Trump's very vocal support of the NRA and the gun bearing anarchy of their constitutional Second Amendment.

He fully supports the "freedom" of arming everybody because everybody in armed.

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20170627/a-new-day-for-the-second-amendment-donald-trump-addresses-the-nra
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Predictably, the BBC page advising the world this latest nutter was known about asks "is it time to arm teachers

Yeah why not.... ==(B-o)
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Feb 15 2018, 03:19 PM
Predictably, the BBC page advising the world this latest nutter was known about asks "is it time to arm teachers

Yeah why not.... ==(B-o)
That senator's further comment hits the nail right on the head:

"Don't tell me tomorrow isn't the appropriate time to debate gun violence. If you're a political leader doing nothing about this slaughter, you're an accomplice."
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Predictably, the BBC page advising the world this latest nutter was known about asks "is it time to arm teachers

Yeah why not.... ==(B-o)
Will you get shot for failing your exams?
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