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| Accusations about 'The French'; split from family silver | |
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| Topic Started: Mar 12 2018, 02:51 AM (1,755 Views) | |
| Jonksy | Mar 12 2018, 02:51 AM Post #1 |
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As per usual you answered nothing...And maybe you would like to comment on why Belgium refused to supply the UK with ammo and we had to procure it from the Dutch and lets us not even mention the fact that the French helped Argentina as you think the sun shines out of the EUSSR's rectum... http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/falkland-islands/45704/bbc-finds-evidence-french-helped-argentines-sink-our-ships https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200102/cmhansrd/vo020410/halltext/20410h02.htm |
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| Steve K | Mar 12 2018, 09:05 AM Post #2 |
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We've done that fallacy over and over again. It is a blatant and nasty lie as your own reference shows and imho is so blatantly false as to be a rule break Yes a small number of French technicians defied their government to stay in Argentina to finalise integration of the Exocet missiles. But the French government went out of its way to help us as an EU partner.
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| xosg | Mar 12 2018, 10:58 PM Post #3 |
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Good ol EU hey Jonksy. Always willing to help a fellow member in need.Shithouses to the core. I wouldn't rely on that lot across the channel if my life depended on it Edited by xosg, Mar 12 2018, 10:58 PM.
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| Tigger | Mar 12 2018, 11:02 PM Post #4 |
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It's mainly bollocks though, he was busted............ |
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| Jonksy | Mar 12 2018, 11:39 PM Post #5 |
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Oh really? maybe you would like to point out where.?..Just because the boards mod said that it was a blatant lie and that it had already been trashed doesn't cut it...As we all know you remainers would not accept the truth from god himself if he made a derogatorily statement against your beloved EUSSR..So now explain where and how I have been busted? |
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| Tigger | Mar 12 2018, 11:43 PM Post #6 |
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The only one telling blatant lies is you, your claims are completely bogus and they've already been trashed. |
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| Steve K | Mar 12 2018, 11:43 PM Post #7 |
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Oh I think we know who can't accept the truth Your post was shredded Jonksy and it was especially funny as the words that showed it was complete BS were taken from the very link you yourself posted to supposedly support the BS Post 42 if you can bear to read it |
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| Jonksy | Mar 12 2018, 11:49 PM Post #8 |
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I wouldn't cross the street to piss on a frog if they were on fire.. Talking of french how many trucks of British lamb did the french farmers hijack or intimidate? With fucking friends like those who needs enemies I thought it was a FREE market as that was what the UK public were hoodwinked into believing they were joining when they were conned into joining the EUSSR.. |
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| Jonksy | Mar 12 2018, 11:50 PM Post #9 |
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Nope you have trashed nothing as per usual..
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| Steve K | Mar 12 2018, 11:50 PM Post #10 |
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so you can't answer post 42 then
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| Jonksy | Mar 12 2018, 11:52 PM Post #11 |
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You have trashed nothing apart from the remains side standing as per usual..But hey the remain side do that daily... |
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| Tigger | Mar 12 2018, 11:53 PM Post #12 |
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Let your humble pie cool down a bit before you take the first bite!
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| Jonksy | Mar 12 2018, 11:54 PM Post #13 |
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I haven't even read post 42 ..I have no need too... |
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| Steve K | Mar 12 2018, 11:56 PM Post #14 |
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You seem to be operating under the delusion that no one can read post 42 Jonksy Why you would keep banging on just drawing attention to my shredding of one of the dumbest posts ever seen here just amazes me but it's your choice |
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| Steve K | Mar 12 2018, 11:59 PM Post #15 |
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Oh yes you do need to. Everyone else can. It shows you posted BS in post 37 and pricelessly included in same post a link you clearly also hadn't read because your own link destroyed your supposition Now what's that rule about posting false information . . . |
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| Steve K | Mar 13 2018, 12:02 AM Post #16 |
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Anyone got a good reason why the allegations about the French made in what is now post 37 a) should not be split off (and posts derived from same) from a thread about selling state owned assets and b) should not be challenged as potential false information under rule 2 Update: thread has been split out Edited by Steve K, Mar 13 2018, 12:25 AM.
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| Jonksy | Mar 13 2018, 12:04 AM Post #17 |
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You have shredded nothing as per usual...Why do we have to accept your links when you CANNOT accept anyone else's if it suits your cause? |
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| Steve K | Mar 13 2018, 12:25 AM Post #18 |
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Discussion has been split out from the Family Silver threadPost number references will now be wrong Post 1 was post 37 in the original Post 2 was post 42 |
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| Steve K | Mar 13 2018, 12:30 AM Post #19 |
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Well lets look again You posted:
And that says: "No one is suggesting that President Mitterand was anything other than wholehearted in his support for the UK. He ordered an immediate and complete embargo on supplying or assisting the Argentines. Vital technical data on the French-made anti-ship Exocet missile was made available to the Ministry of Defence, the French having sold five to the Argentines before the war. French intelligence supplied leads to MI6 as it tried to prevent Argentine emissaries from buying further Exocets on the black market and turned a blind eye as British spooks carried out covert sting operations on French soil. The Fleet Air Arm was even able to practice against the same French-made Mirage aircraft operated by the Argentine Air Force, while the French Navy made its repair and resupply facilities at Dakar in Senegal available to our Task Force." Neatly demonstrating you posted utter BS in what is now the OP and that you posted a link without even reading it As own goals go Jonksy that was right up there with this one ![]() |
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| Oddball | Mar 13 2018, 03:06 AM Post #20 |
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Jonksy - You just won't let go of your personal perception of the French and Argentina and Exocets, will you? The truth, that you seem to not be able to handle, is that once war appeared inevitable between us and the Argies, the French government fully co-operated with us, not the Argies. As for any negative feelings about the French supplying Exocets to a dodgy regime, well, this country, and indeed most other countries with a weapons industry has, and does, do the same. When it comes to the Galtieri regime, well, shortly before the Argentina vs UK kick-off, our government tried to flog to them Harrier aircraft, trying to sweet talk them into buying some for their carrier. Luckily the Argentinian Navy thought them to be interesting 'toys' rather than serious combat aircraft! Edited by Oddball, Mar 13 2018, 09:54 AM.
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| Tigger | Mar 13 2018, 08:25 PM Post #21 |
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A few years ago I read a book called Razor's edge by Hugh Bicheno, Bicheno was a member of the British diplomatic staff assigned to the British embassy in Argentina's capital, during much of the 70's the governments here were trying to flog Argentina military hardware and banking services, one of the proposed sweeteners to help clinch the deal was the handing over of the Falklands to the military junta then in power! Edited by Tigger, Mar 13 2018, 08:26 PM.
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| Rich | Mar 13 2018, 08:33 PM Post #22 |
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Then it's a good job that Maggie came along and put the UK position beyond doubt. |
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| Tigger | Mar 13 2018, 08:39 PM Post #23 |
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She was also involved in trying to sell them stuff, Bicheno recounted how the Embassy had got wind of the Junta's plan to invade the Falklands as a distraction from domestic problems, this was duly reported back to London and completely ignored by the government! |
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| Oddball | Mar 13 2018, 09:33 PM Post #24 |
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Rich - It could be claimed that Maggie's timing for war etc., was rather fortuitous for her popularity ratings here in the UK. While I am not a fan of Left-wing' politics, either, I contrast Maggie's actions and timings rather less favourably than how Callaghan handled his own Falkland emergency a few years earlier. Edited by Oddball, Mar 13 2018, 09:33 PM.
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| Affa | Mar 14 2018, 10:52 AM Post #25 |
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There is always this thing called 'obfuscation'. It can me saying one thing in public, and doing precisely the opposite behind the scenes. Demonstrations of 'attempts' to help the UK, verbal support for the UK, do not confirm that such was the reality. We cannot know for certain that Argentina did not get French assistance where it needed it. As a reminder - the French placed French interests before UN mandated actions over Iraq. |
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| Steve K | Mar 14 2018, 06:24 PM Post #26 |
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Well we can't be certain you're not an android from the plane Zob either But best deal with what we do know which is the French went out of their way and beyond to help us. Far more than President Reagan did. Caspar Weinberger had to risk his career to defy him to get us those vital AIM 9L missiles. |
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| Jus | Mar 14 2018, 07:47 PM Post #27 |
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The Idea that France had to support GB in the Falklands is nonsense. If they did it was out of self Interest. |
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| Tigger | Mar 14 2018, 09:58 PM Post #28 |
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Explain why is was self interest? If not your claim is bogus. |
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| Rich | Mar 15 2018, 07:42 AM Post #29 |
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Regarding European allies support in this Novichok incident,apparently, a French spokesman has said "we do not do fantasy politics, we only support hard evidence", I heard this cited on the R4 programme (Today) this morning just after 07:00 hrs.
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| papasmurf | Mar 15 2018, 08:43 AM Post #30 |
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Link:- 40 seconds in:- Edited by papasmurf, Mar 15 2018, 08:45 AM.
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| Steve K | Mar 15 2018, 01:27 PM Post #31 |
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Well the French have fully backed us in the latest statement |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 15 2018, 02:52 PM Post #32 |
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Pity. If you can't complain about the French, what is left? |
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| marybrown | Mar 15 2018, 04:56 PM Post #33 |
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When I lived in France they accused us of killing Napoleon..and blamed us for pushing French soldiers back in the sea during D day evacuation.. |
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| Tigger | Mar 15 2018, 06:15 PM Post #34 |
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Well done, I had no idea you were so old and had been in the army. I can forgive elderly war heroes for having failing memories as well, there was no evacuation on D day (unless you were an Italian soldier) that was four years earlier, easy to forget with all those bullets flying around! |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 15 2018, 06:33 PM Post #35 |
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That's Dunkirk, by the way, not D-Day and the French made a huge sacrifice with their rear-guard defence of the beach-head that allowed the BEF to get off safely. The French themselves were only invited to be evacuated after most of the BEF that could be evacuated, were. They still aren't happy about it, despite the eventually happy ending and it is quite understandable. |
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| Steve K | Mar 15 2018, 07:33 PM Post #36 |
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Quite and that Branagh's recent and apparently lauded film whitewashed their (and the Indians) sacrifice out is why I won't watch it |
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| C-too | Mar 15 2018, 09:03 PM Post #37 |
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Not in my opinion, they were Frenchmen in France, it was for them to make a stand. Many BEF soldiers were also left behind. The French also benefitted from UK soldiers fighting in France, with the spilling of British blood. And the depletion of our gold reserves in helping to free France from German occupation. While De Gaul refused to release any of the French gold reserves that was sitting safely in Canada. On any whinge-fest over WWII the French would lose hands down. Not that we would normally whinge about such things. |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 15 2018, 09:35 PM Post #38 |
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Sorry, don,'t buy it. This was WWII not WWI and Britain did not come to the defence of France. Both nations supposedly "came to the side of Poland" and together, the French army and the BEF were defeated in France. The French could have just said "Screw you, Rosbif", withdrawn their troops to the West and left the trapped BEF totally naked on the beach but they did not. They protected you grandfathers and, frankly saved your nation from defeat. |
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| Rich | Mar 15 2018, 09:44 PM Post #39 |
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I have to ask, how can you form a personal opinion without having watched the film? |
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| Steve K | Mar 15 2018, 09:57 PM Post #40 |
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because the accusation was made and Branagh has never rebutted it |
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