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| Accusations about 'The French'; split from family silver | |
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| Topic Started: Mar 12 2018, 02:51 AM (1,757 Views) | |
| Jonksy | Mar 12 2018, 02:51 AM Post #1 |
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As per usual you answered nothing...And maybe you would like to comment on why Belgium refused to supply the UK with ammo and we had to procure it from the Dutch and lets us not even mention the fact that the French helped Argentina as you think the sun shines out of the EUSSR's rectum... http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/falkland-islands/45704/bbc-finds-evidence-french-helped-argentines-sink-our-ships https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200102/cmhansrd/vo020410/halltext/20410h02.htm |
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| Steve K | Mar 15 2018, 10:00 PM Post #41 |
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You might just as well try telling them the earth is round CC The whole Battle of France was a foul up with the British just as culpable as the French in delaying when the opportunity was there to pounce on the overstretched German force |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 15 2018, 10:04 PM Post #42 |
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I'll tell you something that bothered some people in Canada about that film (not me, I wasn't bothered) was that the heroic British RN Commander who directed the evacuation from the Mole was a Canadian (from my home town) and that there was no mention of that or of any other nationals having pulled off the miracle. The BBC did an excellent docudrama that got that detail and many others, including the valuable role of the French and their shoddy treatment right. |
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| Jus | Mar 15 2018, 10:20 PM Post #43 |
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Every sovereign State is beholden to its Citizens to work in their best Interests. Obligations to political Alliances are temporary. The Idea that France or any other Country has anything other than self Interest in International affairs is delusional. Edited by Jus, Mar 15 2018, 10:21 PM.
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| Steve K | Mar 15 2018, 10:30 PM Post #44 |
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Do you assume everyone acts using the same principles you hold? |
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| Rich | Mar 15 2018, 10:49 PM Post #45 |
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So, if you said to me, "Rich, don't eat the Steak in that particular restaurant, I think it is horrible" would prevent me from trying it for myself and forming my own view? |
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| Steve K | Mar 15 2018, 11:12 PM Post #46 |
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I have no idea and frankly find that irrelevant Branagh chose to make money by retelling that distorted version that would appeal to his core audience with no regard for the hurt that would cause the descendants of the French that sacrificed their lives to let the BEF escape. I choose not to reward him further for that just like I chose not to reward further those Americans that made a film (U-571) falsely saying it was Americans that made vital steps to break the Enigma code |
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| C-too | Mar 16 2018, 10:42 AM Post #47 |
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A futile attempt to avoid the fact that we are posting about French soldiers on French soil. And the Fact that France was quickly overrun by the German army.You have the ability to ignore the fact that many French soldiers were rescued while many rearguard BEF soldiers remained. It was the RAF that saved the day and turned the tide of German aggression. Of the allied forces in Europe after 'D' day, WHICH INCLUDED BRITISH TROOPS, three out of four were American. British troops didn't free France from German occupation but they certainly gave blood sweat and lives in helping to free France. If there are any French Canadians, or French in France who bear any grudge against the Brits for what happened in WWII, they are just bigoted idiots who deserve to be ignored. Then there is that little problem of the tight fisted De Gaul who didn't mind using up British gold in the defence of France, but was not prepared to put any French gold into the pot. And that was just disgusting. |
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| Jus | Mar 16 2018, 12:10 PM Post #48 |
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Yes I expect any government to serve the Interests of its citizens rather than worthless , chimeric International allegiances. It’s not about morality. Never has been. |
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| Steve K | Mar 16 2018, 12:15 PM Post #49 |
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That's the morality of walking out of restaurants without paying the bill. You'll find you're a bit on that one Jus
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 16 2018, 12:53 PM Post #50 |
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A couple of French Canadian regiments, part of the "other" forgotten army, landed on Juno Beach on D-Day. Other than that, French Canadians had zero involvement in any of those events and the Dunkirk evacuations would be totally irrelevant and unknown in Quebec. All that they have in common with the French soldiers trapped there is that they speak French. Sort of like, all that the Americans had in common with the Dunkirk rescue is that they also speak a sort of English. |
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| Oddball | Mar 16 2018, 02:18 PM Post #51 |
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C-too - Yes, when it came to the 'rescue' of France, Britain was very much involved - in supplying and aiding the 'French resistance in numerous ways. On D-day there were more British and Canadian troops, as a combo involved, than Americans - there were about twice as many Brits involved in the seabourne part of the invasion 'Operation Neptune' - airbourne ops were about 50-50 - 'funnies', including PLUTO and the Mulberries, were mostly British - and indeed in worldwide terms, the Forces under British 'command', [British, Commonwealth and Empire], totalled more than all American forces until some time in August 1944. It can only be summized just how much the bloody sacrifice the Soviets were taking and making on the Eastern Front, aided the successful liberation of France. Something that most Americans don't often care to acknowledge is the contribution British and Canadian armour and infantry played in the success of Patton's break-out from the Bocage, by having much of Germany's best armour and troops in the West, locking horns with them. Even during the Battle of the Bulge, considerable aid and backing was provided by British and Canadians. It was truly a combined ops. |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 16 2018, 02:53 PM Post #52 |
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They were others. After a sustained and bloody effort to close the Falaise Gap by British and Canadian forces, it as the Free Poles who finally did it. The American forces essentially drove around the outside of the main battle of Normandy ( an entirely proper and successful strategic manoever but don't try to tell an America that. It does not jive with his national mythology.). |
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| Jus | Mar 16 2018, 05:32 PM Post #53 |
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Loyalty is a worthless commodity when Nations line up against one another. We would of been on the side of the Germans in WW1 not the French otherwise. |
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| Steve K | Mar 16 2018, 06:33 PM Post #54 |
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No because we stayed loyal to our 1904 agreements with France. It's what decent people do Jus |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 16 2018, 07:05 PM Post #55 |
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We went to war in 1914 because Belgium was being crushed. France was (mostly) where the stand was made but the defence of France was not why the BEF (and later our CEF) originally went to France. Edited by Curious Cdn, Mar 16 2018, 07:05 PM.
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| Tigger | Mar 16 2018, 08:20 PM Post #56 |
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Are you kidding? Germany had become a serious economic and industrial rival by 1890 and the main reason for the Entente Cordiale was to counter growing German military strength. |
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| C-too | Mar 16 2018, 08:58 PM Post #57 |
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A snippet from Wiki. "On 25 and 26 May, the Luftwaffe focused their attention on Allied pockets holding out at Calais, Lille, and Amiens, and did not attack Dunkirk.[71] Calais, held by the BEF, surrendered on 26 May.[74] Remnants of the French First Army, surrounded at Lille, fought off seven German divisions (several of them armoured) until 31 May, when the remaining 35,000 soldiers were forced to surrender after running out of food and ammunition.[75][76] The Germans accorded the honours of war to the defenders of Lille in recognition of their bravery". |
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| Jus | Mar 16 2018, 09:17 PM Post #58 |
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We went to war because of a domestic squabble in the Balkans in 1914. There was no reason , moraly, to support either side. It was a dispute between declining Empires. |
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| Rich | Mar 16 2018, 09:44 PM Post #59 |
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Is there any other skeletons in the cupboard other than what we have the Archduke Ferdinand to thank for, how callous of him to die.
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| Jus | Mar 16 2018, 09:50 PM Post #60 |
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Any Idea that foreign policy is not driven by expediency and drifting moral circumstances is delusional. Why should France be any different.? |
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| Tigger | Mar 16 2018, 10:12 PM Post #61 |
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This'll stump you, sometimes nations have identical values they wish to protect, it them makes complete sense to join your neighbour. A sentiment fucked up the back passage by the Brexit brigade............. |
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| Jus | Mar 16 2018, 10:13 PM Post #62 |
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Describe these Identical values. I doubt they exist. |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 16 2018, 10:33 PM Post #63 |
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Sorry, yes you are right of course but the BEF crossed the Channel to defend Belgium (which almost disappeared) within few weeks. |
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| Jus | Mar 16 2018, 10:37 PM Post #64 |
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We all got drawn in to a pointless carnage that decimated a generation for nothing. |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 17 2018, 12:20 AM Post #65 |
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... and it led directly into a second generation doing the same and my own third generation manning the ramparts for decades. |
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| C-too | Mar 17 2018, 09:00 AM Post #66 |
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If you don't stand your ground you get tramped into the dust. Each nation is prepared to fight in order to defend its own values and influences. When one nation threatens this, the nations threatened along with the nations that support them, band together in order to defeat the aggressor nation(s). The idea that there is some easy way around these problems comes straight out of the DIY book of magic wands. Edited by C-too, Mar 17 2018, 09:02 AM.
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| Tigger | Mar 17 2018, 11:37 AM Post #67 |
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That is what it deserved............ |
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| Tigger | Mar 17 2018, 11:38 AM Post #68 |
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I'd have mentioned the concept of a just war, a justification that has taken a bit of a battering in recent years............. |
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| marybrown | Mar 17 2018, 12:11 PM Post #69 |
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Another completely silly post from Tugger!
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| marybrown | Mar 17 2018, 12:45 PM Post #70 |
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The French..who were mostly very amiable..did have their dark side concerning the war and the English..especially when too much Vin Rouge had been consumed..And when my French husband came to England..exactly the same thing happened with les rosbifs! The conversation would turn to WW2...
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| Stonefish | Mar 17 2018, 07:21 PM Post #71 |
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No it's not understandable ,though expected of the French. |
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| Stonefish | Mar 17 2018, 07:24 PM Post #72 |
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Well said. |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 17 2018, 08:50 PM Post #73 |
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... by jingo. |
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| Stonefish | Mar 17 2018, 08:57 PM Post #74 |
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Sacre Bleu ! |
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| Jus | Mar 17 2018, 10:05 PM Post #75 |
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Our nature is to look after our best Interests. Trying to tie that to passing Alliances is pointless. |
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| Curious Cdn | Mar 17 2018, 11:43 PM Post #76 |
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Yes, DeGaulle actively tried to break up my country just a couple of decades after Canadians were being buried on Frecnh soil by the thousands while defending or liberating the place. Je me souviens. |
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| Jus | Mar 18 2018, 12:03 AM Post #77 |
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Yes and it doesn’t belittle the memory of those brave men to remark their sacrifice was a great waste of humanity . |
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| Stonefish | Mar 18 2018, 12:10 AM Post #78 |
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I don't particularly like the French ,their food and drink are pretty good and the countryside is attractive, ,but I've had very little in the way of positive experiences with the people.I find them rude, with a sizeable chip on their shoulders. |
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| Jus | Mar 18 2018, 12:30 AM Post #79 |
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That’s says are great more about yourself than any general slander about the zFrench diaspora. |
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| Oddball | Mar 18 2018, 07:02 AM Post #80 |
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Ah, the "Vive le Quebec libre" political shit stirring. Edited by Oddball, Mar 18 2018, 07:04 AM.
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A futile attempt to avoid the fact that we are posting about French soldiers on French soil. And the Fact that France was quickly overrun by the German army.
on that one Jus

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