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Accusations about 'The French'; split from family silver
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Excuse me??? my question was directed implicitly to Jonksy, please learn Forum protocol before butting in uninvitedly  nonono:
We are allowed to butt in, and anyway I've answered your question and saved you an emotional ordeal involving the EUSSR and The Fourth Reich etc.
As per usual you answered nothing...And maybe you would like to comment on why Belgium refused to supply the UK with ammo and we had to procure it from the Dutch and lets us not even mention the fact that the French helped Argentina as you think the sun shines out of the EUSSR's rectum... :facepalm:

http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/falkland-islands/45704/bbc-finds-evidence-french-helped-argentines-sink-our-ships

https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200102/cmhansrd/vo020410/halltext/20410h02.htm
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Sorry, don,'t buy it. This was WWII not WWI and Britain did not come to the defence of France. Both nations supposedly "came to the side of Poland" and together, the French army and the BEF were defeated in France. The French could have just said "Screw you, Rosbif", withdrawn their troops to the West and left the trapped BEF totally naked on the beach but they did not. They protected you grandfathers and, frankly saved your nation from defeat.
You might just as well try telling them the earth is round CC

The whole Battle of France was a foul up with the British just as culpable as the French in delaying when the opportunity was there to pounce on the overstretched German force
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Quite and that Branagh's recent and apparently lauded film whitewashed their (and the Indians) sacrifice out is why I won't watch it
I have to ask, how can you form a personal opinion without having watched the film?
I'll tell you something that bothered some people in Canada about that film (not me, I wasn't bothered) was that the heroic British RN Commander who directed the evacuation from the Mole was a Canadian (from my home town) and that there was no mention of that or of any other nationals having pulled off the miracle. The BBC did an excellent docudrama that got that detail and many others, including the valuable role of the French and their shoddy treatment right.
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The Idea that France had to support GB in the Falklands is nonsense. If they did it was out of self Interest.
Explain why is was self interest? If not your claim is bogus.
Every sovereign State is beholden to its Citizens to work in their best Interests. Obligations to political Alliances are temporary. The Idea that France or any other Country has anything other than self Interest in International affairs is delusional.
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The Idea that France had to support GB in the Falklands is nonsense. If they did it was out of self Interest.
Explain why is was self interest? If not your claim is bogus.
Every sovereign State is beholden to its Citizens to work in their best Interests. Obligations to political Alliances are temporary. The Idea that France or any other Country has anything other than self Interest in International affairs is delusional.
Do you assume everyone acts using the same principles you hold?
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I have to ask, how can you form a personal opinion without having watched the film?
because the accusation was made and Branagh has never rebutted it
So, if you said to me, "Rich, don't eat the Steak in that particular restaurant, I think it is horrible" would prevent me from trying it for myself and forming my own view?
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because the accusation was made and Branagh has never rebutted it
So, if you said to me, "Rich, don't eat the Steak in that particular restaurant, I think it is horrible" would prevent me from trying it for myself and forming my own view?
I have no idea and frankly find that irrelevant

Branagh chose to make money by retelling that distorted version that would appeal to his core audience with no regard for the hurt that would cause the descendants of the French that sacrificed their lives to let the BEF escape. I choose not to reward him further for that just like I chose not to reward further those Americans that made a film (U-571) falsely saying it was Americans that made vital steps to break the Enigma code

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Sorry, don,'t buy it. This was WWII not WWI and Britain did not come to the defence of France. Both nations supposedly "came to the side of Poland" and together, the French army and the BEF were defeated in France. The French could have just said "Screw you, Rosbif", withdrawn their troops to the West and left the trapped BEF totally naked on the beach but they did not. They protected you grandfathers and, frankly saved your nation from defeat.
;D A futile attempt to avoid the fact that we are posting about French soldiers on French soil. And the Fact that France was quickly overrun by the German army.
You have the ability to ignore the fact that many French soldiers were rescued while many rearguard BEF soldiers remained.

It was the RAF that saved the day and turned the tide of German aggression.
Of the allied forces in Europe after 'D' day, WHICH INCLUDED BRITISH TROOPS, three out of four were American.

British troops didn't free France from German occupation but they certainly gave blood sweat and lives in helping to free France. If there are any French Canadians, or French in France who bear any grudge against the Brits for what happened in WWII, they are just bigoted idiots who deserve to be ignored.

Then there is that little problem of the tight fisted De Gaul who didn't mind using up British gold in the defence of France, but was not prepared to put any French gold into the pot. And that was just disgusting.
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Every sovereign State is beholden to its Citizens to work in their best Interests. Obligations to political Alliances are temporary. The Idea that France or any other Country has anything other than self Interest in International affairs is delusional.
Do you assume everyone acts using the same principles you hold?
Yes I expect any government to serve the Interests of its citizens rather than worthless , chimeric International allegiances. It’s not about morality. Never has been.
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Do you assume everyone acts using the same principles you hold?
Yes I expect any government to serve the Interests of its citizens rather than worthless , chimeric International allegiances. It’s not about morality. Never has been.
That's the morality of walking out of restaurants without paying the bill. You'll find you're a bit :tumble: on that one Jus
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Sorry, don,'t buy it. This was WWII not WWI and Britain did not come to the defence of France. Both nations supposedly "came to the side of Poland" and together, the French army and the BEF were defeated in France. The French could have just said "Screw you, Rosbif", withdrawn their troops to the West and left the trapped BEF totally naked on the beach but they did not. They protected you grandfathers and, frankly saved your nation from defeat.
;D A futile attempt to avoid the fact that we are posting about French soldiers on French soil. And the Fact that France was quickly overrun by the German army.
You have the ability to ignore the fact that many French soldiers were rescued while many rearguard BEF soldiers remained.

It was the RAF that saved the day and turned the tide of German aggression.
Of the allied forces in Europe after 'D' day, WHICH INCLUDED BRITISH TROOPS, three out of four were American.

British troops didn't free France from German occupation but they certainly gave blood sweat and lives in helping to free France. If there are any French Canadians, or French in France who bear any grudge against the Brits for what happened in WWII, they are just bigoted idiots who deserve to be ignored.

Then there is that little problem of the tight fisted De Gaul who didn't mind using up British gold in the defence of France, but was not prepared to put any French gold into the pot. And that was just disgusting.
A couple of French Canadian regiments, part of the "other" forgotten army, landed on Juno Beach on D-Day. Other than that, French Canadians had zero involvement in any of those events and the Dunkirk evacuations would be totally irrelevant and unknown in Quebec. All that they have in common with the French soldiers trapped there is that they speak French.

Sort of like, all that the Americans had in common with the Dunkirk rescue is that they also speak a sort of English.
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C-too - Yes, when it came to the 'rescue' of France, Britain was very much involved - in supplying and aiding the 'French resistance in numerous ways. On D-day there were more British and Canadian troops, as a combo involved, than Americans - there were about twice as many Brits involved in the seabourne part of the invasion 'Operation Neptune' - airbourne ops were about 50-50 - 'funnies', including PLUTO and the Mulberries, were mostly British - and indeed in worldwide terms, the Forces under British 'command', [British, Commonwealth and Empire], totalled more than all American forces until some time in August 1944. It can only be summized just how much the bloody sacrifice the Soviets were taking and making on the Eastern Front, aided the successful liberation of France. Something that most Americans don't often care to acknowledge is the contribution British and Canadian armour and infantry played in the success of Patton's break-out from the Bocage, by having much of Germany's best armour and troops in the West, locking horns with them. Even during the Battle of the Bulge, considerable aid and backing was provided by British and Canadians. It was truly a combined ops.
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C-too - Yes, when it came to the 'rescue' of France, Britain was very much involved - in supplying and aiding the 'French resistance in numerous ways. On D-day there were more British and Canadian troops, as a combo involved, than Americans - there were about twice as many Brits involved in the seabourne part of the invasion 'Operation Neptune' - airbourne ops were about 50-50 - 'funnies', including PLUTO and the Mulberries, were mostly British - and indeed in worldwide terms, the Forces under British 'command', [British, Commonwealth and Empire], totalled more than all American forces until some time in August 1944. It can only be summized just how much the bloody sacrifice the Soviets were taking and making on the Eastern Front, aided the successful liberation of France. Something that most Americans don't often care to acknowledge is the contribution British and Canadian armour and infantry played in the success of Patton's break-out from the Bocage, by having much of Germany's best armour and troops in the West, locking horns with them. Even during the Battle of the Bulge, considerable aid and backing was provided by British and Canadians. It was truly a combined ops.
They were others. After a sustained and bloody effort to close the Falaise Gap by British and Canadian forces, it as the Free Poles who finally did it.

The American forces essentially drove around the outside of the main battle of Normandy ( an entirely proper and successful strategic manoever but don't try to tell an America that. It does not jive with his national mythology.).
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Yes I expect any government to serve the Interests of its citizens rather than worthless , chimeric International allegiances. It’s not about morality. Never has been.
That's the morality of walking out of restaurants without paying the bill. You'll find you're a bit :tumble: on that one Jus
Loyalty is a worthless commodity when Nations line up against one another. We would of been on the side of the Germans in WW1 not the French otherwise.
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That's the morality of walking out of restaurants without paying the bill. You'll find you're a bit :tumble: on that one Jus
Loyalty is a worthless commodity when Nations line up against one another. We would of been on the side of the Germans in WW1 not the French otherwise.
No because we stayed loyal to our 1904 agreements with France. It's what decent people do Jus
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That's the morality of walking out of restaurants without paying the bill. You'll find you're a bit :tumble: on that one Jus
Loyalty is a worthless commodity when Nations line up against one another. We would of been on the side of the Germans in WW1 not the French otherwise.
We went to war in 1914 because Belgium was being crushed. France was (mostly) where the stand was made but the defence of France was not why the BEF (and later our CEF) originally went to France.
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That's the morality of walking out of restaurants without paying the bill. You'll find you're a bit :tumble: on that one Jus
Loyalty is a worthless commodity when Nations line up against one another. We would of been on the side of the Germans in WW1 not the French otherwise.
:'(

Are you kidding? Germany had become a serious economic and industrial rival by 1890 and the main reason for the Entente Cordiale was to counter growing German military strength.
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Sorry, don,'t buy it. This was WWII not WWI and Britain did not come to the defence of France. Both nations supposedly "came to the side of Poland" and together, the French army and the BEF were defeated in France. The French could have just said "Screw you, Rosbif", withdrawn their troops to the West and left the trapped BEF totally naked on the beach but they did not. They protected you grandfathers and, frankly saved your nation from defeat.
;D A futile attempt to avoid the fact that we are posting about French soldiers on French soil. And the Fact that France was quickly overrun by the German army.
You have the ability to ignore the fact that many French soldiers were rescued while many rearguard BEF soldiers remained.

It was the RAF that saved the day and turned the tide of German aggression.
Of the allied forces in Europe after 'D' day, WHICH INCLUDED BRITISH TROOPS, three out of four were American.

British troops didn't free France from German occupation but they certainly gave blood sweat and lives in helping to free France. If there are any French Canadians, or French in France who bear any grudge against the Brits for what happened in WWII, they are just bigoted idiots who deserve to be ignored.

Then there is that little problem of the tight fisted De Gaul who didn't mind using up British gold in the defence of France, but was not prepared to put any French gold into the pot. And that was just disgusting.
A couple of French Canadian regiments, part of the "other" forgotten army, landed on Juno Beach on D-Day. Other than that, French Canadians had zero involvement in any of those events and the Dunkirk evacuations would be totally irrelevant and unknown in Quebec. All that they have in common with the French soldiers trapped there is that they speak French.

Sort of like, all that the Americans had in common with the Dunkirk rescue is that they also speak a sort of English.
A snippet from Wiki.

"On 25 and 26 May, the Luftwaffe focused their attention on Allied pockets holding out at Calais, Lille, and Amiens, and did not attack Dunkirk.[71] Calais, held by the BEF, surrendered on 26 May.[74] Remnants of the French First Army, surrounded at Lille, fought off seven German divisions (several of them armoured) until 31 May, when the remaining 35,000 soldiers were forced to surrender after running out of food and ammunition.[75][76] The Germans accorded the honours of war to the defenders of Lille in recognition of their bravery".
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Loyalty is a worthless commodity when Nations line up against one another. We would of been on the side of the Germans in WW1 not the French otherwise.
We went to war in 1914 because Belgium was being crushed. France was (mostly) where the stand was made but the defence of France was not why the BEF (and later our CEF) originally went to France.
We went to war because of a domestic squabble in the Balkans in 1914. There was no reason , moraly, to support either side. It was a dispute between declining Empires.
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We went to war in 1914 because Belgium was being crushed. France was (mostly) where the stand was made but the defence of France was not why the BEF (and later our CEF) originally went to France.
We went to war because of a domestic squabble in the Balkans in 1914. There was no reason , moraly, to support either side. It was a dispute between declining Empires.
Is there any other skeletons in the cupboard other than what we have the Archduke Ferdinand to thank for, how callous of him to die. :P
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Any Idea that foreign policy is not driven by expediency and drifting moral circumstances is delusional. Why should France be any different.?
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Any Idea that foreign policy is not driven by expediency and drifting moral circumstances is delusional. Why should France be any different.?
This'll stump you, sometimes nations have identical values they wish to protect, it them makes complete sense to join your neighbour.

A sentiment fucked up the back passage by the Brexit brigade.............
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Describe these Identical values. I doubt they exist.
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We went to war in 1914 because Belgium was being crushed. France was (mostly) where the stand was made but the defence of France was not why the BEF (and later our CEF) originally went to France.
We went to war because of a domestic squabble in the Balkans in 1914. There was no reason , moraly, to support either side. It was a dispute between declining Empires.
Sorry, yes you are right of course but the BEF crossed the Channel to defend Belgium (which almost disappeared) within few weeks.
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We went to war because of a domestic squabble in the Balkans in 1914. There was no reason , moraly, to support either side. It was a dispute between declining Empires.
Sorry, yes you are right of course but the BEF crossed the Channel to defend Belgium (which almost disappeared) within few weeks.
We all got drawn in to a pointless carnage that decimated a generation for nothing.
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Sorry, yes you are right of course but the BEF crossed the Channel to defend Belgium (which almost disappeared) within few weeks.
We all got drawn in to a pointless carnage that decimated a generation for nothing.
... and it led directly into a second generation doing the same and my own third generation manning the ramparts for decades.
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Sorry, yes you are right of course but the BEF crossed the Channel to defend Belgium (which almost disappeared) within few weeks.
We all got drawn in to a pointless carnage that decimated a generation for nothing.
If you don't stand your ground you get tramped into the dust.

Each nation is prepared to fight in order to defend its own values and influences. When one nation threatens this, the nations threatened along with the nations that support them, band together in order to defeat the aggressor nation(s).

The idea that there is some easy way around these problems comes straight out of the DIY book of magic wands.

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We all got drawn in to a pointless carnage that decimated a generation for nothing.
!jk!

That is what it deserved............
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We all got drawn in to a pointless carnage that decimated a generation for nothing.
If you don't stand your ground you get tramped into the dust.

Each nation is prepared to fight in order to defend its own values and influences. When one nation threatens this, the nations threatened along with the nations that support them, band together in order to defeat the aggressor nation(s).

The idea that there is some easy way around these problems comes straight out of the DIY book of magic wands.

I'd have mentioned the concept of a just war, a justification that has taken a bit of a battering in recent years.............
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When I lived in France they accused us of killing Napoleon..and blamed us for pushing French soldiers back in the sea during D day evacuation..
Well done, I had no idea you were so old and had been in the army. :thumbsup:

I can forgive elderly war heroes for having failing memories as well, there was no evacuation on D day (unless you were an Italian soldier) that was four years earlier, easy to forget with all those bullets flying around!
Another completely silly post from Tugger!  ::)
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The French..who were mostly very amiable..did have their dark side concerning the war and the English..especially when too much Vin Rouge had been consumed..And when my French husband came to England..exactly the same thing happened with les rosbifs! The conversation would turn to WW2...
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When I lived in France they accused us of killing Napoleon..and blamed us for pushing French soldiers back in the sea during D day evacuation..
That's Dunkirk, by the way, not D-Day and the French made a huge sacrifice with their rear-guard defence of the beach-head that allowed the BEF to get off safely. The French themselves were only invited to be evacuated after most of the BEF that could be evacuated, were. They still aren't happy about it, despite the eventually happy ending and it is quite understandable.

No it's not understandable ,though expected of the French.
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Sorry, don,'t buy it. This was WWII not WWI and Britain did not come to the defence of France. Both nations supposedly "came to the side of Poland" and together, the French army and the BEF were defeated in France. The French could have just said "Screw you, Rosbif", withdrawn their troops to the West and left the trapped BEF totally naked on the beach but they did not. They protected you grandfathers and, frankly saved your nation from defeat.
;D A futile attempt to avoid the fact that we are posting about French soldiers on French soil. And the Fact that France was quickly overrun by the German army.
You have the ability to ignore the fact that many French soldiers were rescued while many rearguard BEF soldiers remained.

It was the RAF that saved the day and turned the tide of German aggression.
Of the allied forces in Europe after 'D' day, WHICH INCLUDED BRITISH TROOPS, three out of four were American.

British troops didn't free France from German occupation but they certainly gave blood sweat and lives in helping to free France. If there are any French Canadians, or French in France who bear any grudge against the Brits for what happened in WWII, they are just bigoted idiots who deserve to be ignored.

Then there is that little problem of the tight fisted De Gaul who didn't mind using up British gold in the defence of France, but was not prepared to put any French gold into the pot. And that was just disgusting.


Well said.
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Sorry, don,'t buy it. This was WWII not WWI and Britain did not come to the defence of France. Both nations supposedly "came to the side of Poland" and together, the French army and the BEF were defeated in France. The French could have just said "Screw you, Rosbif", withdrawn their troops to the West and left the trapped BEF totally naked on the beach but they did not. They protected you grandfathers and, frankly saved your nation from defeat.
;D A futile attempt to avoid the fact that we are posting about French soldiers on French soil. And the Fact that France was quickly overrun by the German army.
You have the ability to ignore the fact that many French soldiers were rescued while many rearguard BEF soldiers remained.

It was the RAF that saved the day and turned the tide of German aggression.
Of the allied forces in Europe after 'D' day, WHICH INCLUDED BRITISH TROOPS, three out of four were American.

British troops didn't free France from German occupation but they certainly gave blood sweat and lives in helping to free France. If there are any French Canadians, or French in France who bear any grudge against the Brits for what happened in WWII, they are just bigoted idiots who deserve to be ignored.

Then there is that little problem of the tight fisted De Gaul who didn't mind using up British gold in the defence of France, but was not prepared to put any French gold into the pot. And that was just disgusting.


Well said.
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Well said.
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Our nature is to look after our best Interests. Trying to tie that to passing Alliances is pointless.
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Our nature is to look after our best Interests. Trying to tie that to passing Alliances is pointless.
Yes, DeGaulle actively tried to break up my country just a couple of decades after Canadians were being buried on Frecnh soil by the thousands while defending or liberating the place.

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Yes and it doesn’t belittle the memory of those brave men to remark their sacrifice was a great waste of humanity .
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Our nature is to look after our best Interests. Trying to tie that to passing Alliances is pointless.
Yes, DeGaulle actively tried to break up my country just a couple of decades after Canadians were being buried on Frecnh soil by the thousands while defending or liberating the place.

Je me souviens.


I don't particularly like the French ,their food and drink are pretty good and the countryside is attractive, ,but I've had very little in the way of positive experiences with the people.I find them rude, with a sizeable chip on their shoulders.
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Our nature is to look after our best Interests. Trying to tie that to passing Alliances is pointless.
Yes, DeGaulle actively tried to break up my country just a couple of decades after Canadians were being buried on Frecnh soil by the thousands while defending or liberating the place.

Je me souviens.


I don't particularly like the French ,their food and drink are pretty good and the countryside is attractive, ,but I've had very little in the way of positive experiences with the people.I find them rude, with a sizeable chip on their shoulders.
That’s says are great more about yourself than any general slander about the zFrench diaspora.
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Our nature is to look after our best Interests. Trying to tie that to passing Alliances is pointless.
Yes, DeGaulle actively tried to break up my country just a couple of decades after Canadians were being buried on Frecnh soil by the thousands while defending or liberating the place.

Je me souviens.
Ah, the "Vive le Quebec libre" political shit stirring.
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