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The real truth about the EU dictatorship ; split from The real truth about the EU dictatorship
Topic Started: May 26 2018, 08:23 PM (64 Views)
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May 26 2018, 08:02 PM
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May 26 2018, 07:38 PM
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May 26 2018, 06:20 PM

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So you agree then that your OP was false and we really do retain sovereignty over all those things that really do matter
My OP was and is not false and you have posted nothing to prove otherwise.. :facepalm:
Apart from that huge list of things that really matter over which we always retained full sovereignty you mean. You seem to think Jonksy that just denying what is right in front of your face is clever. No it just suggests something is very sus on planet Jonksy

Lets give you a really simple example: if we didn't have sovereignty how come we could trigger article 50?
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My OP was and is not false and you have posted nothing to prove otherwise.. :facepalm:
Apart from that huge list of things that really matter over which we always retained full sovereignty you mean. You seem to think Jonksy that just denying what is right in front of your face is clever. No it just suggests something is very sus on planet Jonksy

Lets give you a really simple example: if we didn't have sovereignty how come we could trigger article 50?
Because we voted out and article 50 was supposedly drafted for those member states who want to leave, but it works against those who want to leave as proven by Brexit..If we have our own 100% sovereignty how come the EU want billions from us to leave their dictatorship? And maybe you would like to comment on the FACT that very much of EU law takes precedence over UK law. You can witter on all you like the EU is a dictatorship.
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Apart from that huge list of things that really matter over which we always retained full sovereignty you mean. You seem to think Jonksy that just denying what is right in front of your face is clever. No it just suggests something is very sus on planet Jonksy

Lets give you a really simple example: if we didn't have sovereignty how come we could trigger article 50?
Because we voted out and article 50 was supposedly drafted for those member states who want to leave, but it works against those who want to leave as proven by Brexit..If we have our own 100% sovereignty how come the EU want billions from us to leave their dictatorship? And maybe you would like to comment on the FACT that very much of EU law takes precedence over UK law. You can witter on all you like the EU is a dictatorship.
But IF what you said was true then we didn't have the sovereignty to even have that vote let alone trigger that article

You see Jonksy not only are you wrong but you are fooling no one with these preposterous "we lost our sovereignty", "we were lied to by Heath" and "EUSSR" delusions

Do get real, it's getting tiresome seeing you humiliate yourself so often
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Because we voted out and article 50 was supposedly drafted for those member states who want to leave, but it works against those who want to leave as proven by Brexit..If we have our own 100% sovereignty how come the EU want billions from us to leave their dictatorship? And maybe you would like to comment on the FACT that very much of EU law takes precedence over UK law. You can witter on all you like the EU is a dictatorship.
But IF what you said was true then we didn't have the sovereignty to even have that vote let alone trigger that article

You see Jonksy not only are you wrong but you are fooling no one with these preposterous "we lost our sovereignty", "we were lied to by Heath" and "EUSSR" delusions

Do get real, it's getting tiresome seeing you humiliate yourself so often
Grow up for god sake you are flogging a dead horse your bloody EUSSR even want to control our fishing waters for 2 years after we leave and we will not have a single say on the 27 other nations fishing policies or quotas but the EUSSR will have TOTAL control of ours.. Now explain where the UK sovereignty comes into play on that score..As far as t he bloody EUSSR are concerned we cannot even select our own destiny when we leave their dictatorship and they still want control of our country... Oh and by the way my link shows a miriad of other aspects proving the EU is a total dictatorship but once again you pick on just one aspect which is hardly even mentioned in the link..Your the one fooling no one.. :facepalm:
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But IF what you said was true then we didn't have the sovereignty to even have that vote let alone trigger that article

You see Jonksy not only are you wrong but you are fooling no one with these preposterous "we lost our sovereignty", "we were lied to by Heath" and "EUSSR" delusions

Do get real, it's getting tiresome seeing you humiliate yourself so often
Grow up for god sake you are flogging a dead horse your bloody EUSSR even want to control our fishing waters for 2 years after we leave and we will not have a single say on the 27 other nations fishing policies or quotas but the EUSSR will have TOTAL control of ours.. Now explain where the UK sovereignty comes into play on that score..As far as t he bloody EUSSR are concerned we cannot even select our own destiny when we leave their dictatorship and they still want control of our country... Oh and by the way my link shows a miriad of other aspects proving the EU is a total dictatorship but once again you pick on just one aspect which is hardly even mentioned in the link..Your the one fooling no one.. :facepalm:
---"Your bloody EUSSR even want to control our fishing waters for 2 years after we leave".---

WANT ? ? If they had any power or control they would just take control :facepalm:

Clearly you are doing your best to make a mountain out of a mole hill, and that's what I call "flogging a dead horse."
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Grow up for god sake you are flogging a dead horse your bloody EUSSR even want to control our fishing waters for 2 years after we leave and we will not have a single say on the 27 other nations fishing policies or quotas but the EUSSR will have TOTAL control of ours.. Now explain where the UK sovereignty comes into play on that score..As far as t he bloody EUSSR are concerned we cannot even select our own destiny when we leave their dictatorship and they still want control of our country... Oh and by the way my link shows a miriad of other aspects proving the EU is a total dictatorship but once again you pick on just one aspect which is hardly even mentioned in the link..Your the one fooling no one.. :facepalm:
---"Your bloody EUSSR even want to control our fishing waters for 2 years after we leave".---

WANT ? ? If they had any power or control they would just take control :facepalm:

Clearly you are doing your best to make a mountain out of a mole hill, and that's what I call "flogging a dead horse."
But they are taking control...If they were not a dictatorship they would allow the UK to just leave and not hold the UK to ransom at every opportunity...How many billions do the tossers want from the UK on leaving...Maybe we should give them a bill for the money we have been paying towards their bloody ott buildings and hq centres and their ott vanity projects. And dont get me started on EUSSR corruption and wastage of tax payers money.. We owe them nothing and they are still screwing us.. :facepalm: :facepalm:
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---"Your bloody EUSSR even want to control our fishing waters for 2 years after we leave".---

WANT ? ? If they had any power or control they would just take control :facepalm:

Clearly you are doing your best to make a mountain out of a mole hill, and that's what I call "flogging a dead horse."
But they are taking control...If they were not a dictatorship they would allow the UK to just leave and not hold the UK to ransom at every opportunity...How many billions do the tossers want from the UK on leaving...Maybe we should give them a bill for the money we have been paying towards their bloody ott buildings and hq centres and their ott vanity projects. And dont get me started on EUSSR corruption and wastage of tax payers money.. We owe them nothing and they are still screwing us.. :facepalm: :facepalm:
You are posting rubbish. "want" is not control.

The EU is not controlling the UK over Brexit, all they are doing is making sure the UK does not damage the EU or take an unfair advantage of the EU when we leave.
The fact that you appear not to understand this is just confirmation of the foolishness of some OUT voters.
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But they are taking control...If they were not a dictatorship they would allow the UK to just leave and not hold the UK to ransom at every opportunity...How many billions do the tossers want from the UK on leaving...Maybe we should give them a bill for the money we have been paying towards their bloody ott buildings and hq centres and their ott vanity projects. And dont get me started on EUSSR corruption and wastage of tax payers money.. We owe them nothing and they are still screwing us.. :facepalm: :facepalm:
You are posting rubbish. "want" is not control.

The EU is not controlling the UK over Brexit, all they are doing is making sure the UK does not damage the EU or take an unfair advantage of the EU when we leave.
The fact that you appear not to understand this is just confirmation of the foolishness of some OUT voters.
Total crap on all fronts...The EUSSR are the ones damaging themselves..
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You will be saying nedt the 30 plus thousand lobbyists are an estimate next...But of course remainers don't do facts do they? Yhe amount of childish predictions and estimates clinched it for the leave side and sill they have learnt nothing from their defeat...
;D Lobbyists abound in a capitalist world, even in the UK regardless of the colour of the government.
Lobbyists do not control the European Parliament, the European Parliament is controlled by its members who are elected by people like yourself. Just like the UK parliament. These are some of the facts that some OUTers choose to ignore.

One of the things I have learnt since the vote is that there are definitely many OUTers who are magnificent at fooling themselves.
They do not influence 75% of the policies unlikethe EUSSR, and the lobbyist nearly outnumer the EUSSR's number of dictorial beurocrats...

Oh here we go again. Branding anyone who does not blindly follow hard-core EU doctrine / propaganda as being "ill informed". When will you guys wake up to the fact that this soviet style denunciation of anyone who does not follow your party line will not bludgeon people into accepting your warped view of the world it lost you Brexit and is now showing you up as thesore 'osersthat you are.... !jk! !jk! !jk!
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You are posting rubbish. "want" is not control.

The EU is not controlling the UK over Brexit, all they are doing is making sure the UK does not damage the EU or take an unfair advantage of the EU when we leave.
The fact that you appear not to understand this is just confirmation of the foolishness of some OUT voters.
Total crap on all fronts...The EUSSR are the ones damaging themselves..
Your opinions are so far out they carry no credibility.
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But IF what you said was true then we didn't have the sovereignty to even have that vote let alone trigger that article

You see Jonksy not only are you wrong but you are fooling no one with these preposterous "we lost our sovereignty", "we were lied to by Heath" and "EUSSR" delusions

Do get real, it's getting tiresome seeing you humiliate yourself so often
Grow up for god sake you are flogging a dead horse your bloody EUSSR even want to control our fishing waters for 2 years after we leave and we will not have a single say on the 27 other nations fishing policies or quotas but the EUSSR will have TOTAL control of ours.. Now explain where the UK sovereignty comes into play on that score..As far as t he bloody EUSSR are concerned we cannot even select our own destiny when we leave their dictatorship and they still want control of our country... Oh and by the way my link shows a miriad of other aspects proving the EU is a total dictatorship but once again you pick on just one aspect which is hardly even mentioned in the link..Your the one fooling no one.. :facepalm:
I mourn the death of basic numeric capability

"Only one"? count them

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May 26 2018, 04:37 PM
. . .Who has the power to
- set my speed limits?
- set what is and what is not a criminal offence?
- decide sentencing?
- decide the level of our armed forces and where and what they do?
- set our income taxes, VAT levels, excise rates, state pensions levels etc etc?
- decide what is and is not allowed on our media?
- decide if and what our NHS will cover?
- decide what is and is not covered by state educations?
- decide if we have referenda or not and on what topics
- decide if we then leave the EU
- repeal any Acts enabling EU rules to have effect in the UK
- etc etc

Oh that would be our sovereign parliament then wouldn't it


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;D Lobbyists abound in a capitalist world, even in the UK regardless of the colour of the government.
Lobbyists do not control the European Parliament, the European Parliament is controlled by its members who are elected by people like yourself. Just like the UK parliament. These are some of the facts that some OUTers choose to ignore.

One of the things I have learnt since the vote is that there are definitely many OUTers who are magnificent at fooling themselves.
They do not influence 75% of the policies unlikethe EUSSR, and the lobbyist nearly outnumer the EUSSR's number of dictorial beurocrats...

Oh here we go again. Branding anyone who does not blindly follow hard-core EU doctrine / propaganda as being "ill informed". When will you guys wake up to the fact that this soviet style denunciation of anyone who does not follow your party line will not bludgeon people into accepting your warped view of the world it lost you Brexit and is now showing you up as thesore 'osersthat you are.... !jk! !jk! !jk!
You need to stop HIDING behind your total bias against the EU and start posting facts. You may then be able to indulge in real debate.
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---"Your bloody EUSSR even want to control our fishing waters for 2 years after we leave".---

WANT ? ? If they had any power or control they would just take control :facepalm:

Clearly you are doing your best to make a mountain out of a mole hill, and that's what I call "flogging a dead horse."
But they are taking control...If they were not a dictatorship they would allow the UK to just leave and not hold the UK to ransom at every opportunity...
PorkyPie: ^

It's the UK that has asked for a deal. The EU-27 won't do any deal if we dishonour our legal obligations they could take us to the international court for.
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Total crap on all fronts...The EUSSR are the ones damaging themselves..
Your opinions are so far out they carry no credibility.
Not opinons...FACTS...
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But they are taking control...If they were not a dictatorship they would allow the UK to just leave and not hold the UK to ransom at every opportunity...
PorkyPie: ^

It's the UK that has asked for a deal. The EU-27 won't do any deal if we dishonour our legal obligations they could take us to the international court for.
Total Bollocks...The EUSSR are the ones trying to force their crap on the UK.. :facepalm:
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PorkyPie: ^

It's the UK that has asked for a deal. The EU-27 won't do any deal if we dishonour our legal obligations they could take us to the international court for.
Total Bollocks...The EUSSR are the ones trying to force their crap on the UK.. :facepalm:
There is no EUSSR, do get real
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Total Bollocks...The EUSSR are the ones trying to force their crap on the UK.. :facepalm:
There is no EUSSR, do get real
If we have our independence how is it that we are subject to the controls of an outside body.? Sooner we leave the better .
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Total Bollocks...The EUSSR are the ones trying to force their crap on the UK.. :facepalm:
There is no EUSSR, do get real
Prove it ?
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There is no EUSSR, do get real
Prove it ?
Like you can prove you're not an alien from the planet Zob

Everyone knows you can never prove a negative. But I will draw your attention to this commentary on the term

"EUSSR", a common trope among right-wing hard Eurosceptics, comparing the EU with the USSR."

So it's just an affected jibe only idiots would actually believe
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Prove it ?
Like you can prove you're not an alien from the planet Zob

Everyone knows you can never prove a negative. But I will draw your attention to this commentary on the term

"EUSSR", a common trope among right-wing hard Eurosceptics, comparing the EU with the USSR."

So it's just an affected jibe only idiots would actually believe
Oh so no answer then? You remainers have a different colour sky to the rest of us...If you cannot see by now what a dictatorial, bureaucratic self serving bunch of elitists the EUSSR's hierarchy really are you shouldn't be allowed to post your views on the subject. yet another plus of Brexit is the FACT that it shows up the EUSSR in their true light.. :facepalm: :facepalm:
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Like you can prove you're not an alien from the planet Zob

Everyone knows you can never prove a negative. But I will draw your attention to this commentary on the term

"EUSSR", a common trope among right-wing hard Eurosceptics, comparing the EU with the USSR."

So it's just an affected jibe only idiots would actually believe
Oh so no answer then? You remainers have a different colour sky to the rest of us...If you cannot see by now what a dictatorial, bureaucratic self serving bunch of elitists the EUSSR's hierarchy really are you shouldn't be allowed to post your views on the subject. yet another plus of Brexit is the FACT that it shows up the EUSSR in their true light.. :facepalm: :facepalm:
"Oh no answer then"

Look if you expect me to post everything so you can easily copy it out in your best crayons then you are going to be disappointed

Truth is Jonksy you just prattle on here with your half baked views and then just deny any replies made. You are just trolling

There is no EUSSR, there is a rule 2 here
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Thanks for verifying you have no answers, and correctly calling a dictatorship the EUSSR is NOT trolling...
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Thanks for verifying you have no answers, and correctly calling a dictatorship the EUSSR is NOT trolling...
No it's a rule 2 violation to post false information


Anyway this thread has gone nowhere, so it's closed - there is an all new EUSSR thread here: http://w11.zetaboards.com/UK_Debate_Mk_2/topic/30607049/

Update: split out and reopened. There's a fine line here about whether there is an EUSSR (please use other thread) and whether the EU operates as a dictatorship. Hopefully they can be kept as separate discussions.

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