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Trump's Press Secretary kicked out of restaurant; right? wrong?
Topic Started: Jun 24 2018, 05:27 PM (111 Views)
Steve K
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44588939

Seems a restaurant demanded that Sarah Sanders - the white house press secretary - leave a restaurant because of who she works for

Now I find the woman obnoxious, a serial sneerer at fair probing questions from the media and someone who seems to have no shame telling bare faced lies

But I say this is wrong, she wasn't there in her work role and restaurants should not play politics
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Rich
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Steve K
Jun 24 2018, 05:27 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-44588939

Seems a restaurant demanded that Sarah Sanders - the white house press secretary - leave a restaurant because of who she works for

Now I find the woman obnoxious, a serial sneerer at fair probing questions from the media and someone who seems to have no shame telling bare faced lies

But I say this is wrong, she wasn't there in her work role and restaurants should not play politics
But what of the Bakers who refused to decorate the cake of a gay couple with certain wording?..........agreed, it is not a political issue but it is as
with the vexatious person in your post, a belief....certainly a dodgy line to cross and wide open to the "thought police" and uber compo chasers.

Have we or are we slowly but surely losing the "freedom of speech" which we have cherished for so long no matter whom we may upset?

Oh, I do agree with your analysis of the situation in the restaurant, silly girl, without customers the restaurant will fold.
Edited by Rich, Jun 24 2018, 05:41 PM.
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papasmurf
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Personally if Sarah Huckabee Sanders walked into a restaurant where I was I would leave.
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Rich
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Jun 24 2018, 05:51 PM
Personally if Sarah Huckabee Sanders walked into a restaurant where I was I would leave.
On the other hand of course, if she looked through the window and saw you there she might turn around and go elsewhere.

Swings and roundabouts Papa. ;-)
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Restaurants can kick anybody they want out for any reason, in the USA. Sarah Huckabilly Sanders is not my favourite (beats the hell out of her predecessor: da Mooch) but I agree, kicking her out doesn't show much class.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/why-a-small-town-restaurant-owner-asked-sarah-huckabee-sanders-to-leave-—-and-would-do-it-again/ar-AAz47NW?li=AAggNb9

Watch, now as various ultra-right brown shirt types try to do harm to the restaurant. Maybe, some "Christians" will put on a night of prayers to invoke hell fire upon them. The GOP will git them back somehow, mark my words.
Edited by Curious Cdn, Jun 24 2018, 09:20 PM.
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Jun 24 2018, 09:03 PM
Restaurants can kick anybody they want out for any reason, in the USA.
Indeed..
Any trader has the right, or should have the right, to refuse to trade regardless as to whether they are a seller or a buyer.
It appears that in this situation, that the restaurant refused to provide a service, and just as the customer has the right to refuse service, and walk out, the restaurant also has the right to refuse service and ask the customer to leave.

This is the law in most western countries. The freedom to refuse to trade.


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Rich
Jun 24 2018, 08:29 PM
On the other hand of course, if she looked through the window and saw you there she might turn around and go elsewhere.

Swings and roundabouts Papa. ;-)
I have just by walking in a pub caused some of the customers to leave, and got thanks from the regular customers and the landlord for it.
(Long story, but why some very nasty characters should be scared of me is somewhat of a mystery.)
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Steve K
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Jun 24 2018, 11:16 PM
Curious Cdn
Jun 24 2018, 09:03 PM
Restaurants can kick anybody they want out for any reason, in the USA.
Indeed..
Any trader has the right, or should have the right, to refuse to trade regardless as to whether they are a seller or a buyer.
It appears that in this situation, that the restaurant refused to provide a service, and just as the customer has the right to refuse service, and walk out, the restaurant also has the right to refuse service and ask the customer to leave.

This is the law in most western countries. The freedom to refuse to trade.


Might be illegal in the UK on grounds of advertising a service that without reasonable excuse was not provided
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Jun 25 2018, 07:26 AM
Might be illegal in the UK on grounds of advertising a service that without reasonable excuse was not provided
It isn't illegal to bar people from a licenced premises, no reason needs to be given.
The refusal to bake a cake because of what the customer wanted written on it, is a different issued that is still ongoing with yet another appeal pending.
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Jun 25 2018, 07:31 AM
Steve K
Jun 25 2018, 07:26 AM
Might be illegal in the UK on grounds of advertising a service that without reasonable excuse was not provided
It isn't illegal to bar people from a licenced premises, no reason needs to be given.
The refusal to bake a cake because of what the customer wanted written on it, is a different issued that is still ongoing with yet another appeal pending.
Your pubs must be barring scores of people on a regular basis.
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Curious Cdn
Jun 25 2018, 11:09 PM
papasmurf
Jun 25 2018, 07:31 AM
Steve K
Jun 25 2018, 07:26 AM
Might be illegal in the UK on grounds of advertising a service that without reasonable excuse was not provided
It isn't illegal to bar people from a licenced premises, no reason needs to be given.
The refusal to bake a cake because of what the customer wanted written on it, is a different issued that is still ongoing with yet another appeal pending.
Your pubs must be barring scores of people on a regular basis.
PS is extrapolating too far. Although in UK common law a pub is not actually a public place, there are several situations where it is not legal to bar a person from a pub and whether a reason is given or not a court would be entitled to form its view as to the real reason

I'd have thought PS as a warrior for the disabled would have been aware of at least one of those reasons but ho hum

And the common law right to exclude someone from a private place doesn't have precedence over the rules on advertising that I was referring to and a restaurant menu posted outside is in law an advert. If you are advertising to all a service you have no intention of providing to all then sooner or later you are going to run foul of the law.

I'd also like to see how a restaurant would get on retaining its drinks licence if it routinely barred people because the licence holder objected to who they worked for
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Curious Cdn
Jun 25 2018, 11:09 PM
Your pubs must be barring scores of people on a regular basis.
Locally there is a banned from one pub banned from all system. (There used to be a "rogues gallery" of the banned in each pub but that was stopped because of human rights. (However a judge can still ban someone from all licenced premises in an area.)
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Jun 25 2018, 11:36 PM


I'd have thought PS as a warrior for the disabled would have been aware of at least one of those reasons but ho hum

Any licencee having disablist tendencies gets directly campaigned against.
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Jun 26 2018, 07:22 AM
Steve K
Jun 25 2018, 11:36 PM


I'd have thought PS as a warrior for the disabled would have been aware of at least one of those reasons but ho hum

Any licencee having disablist tendencies gets directly campaigned against.
... and so they should be.
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