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France brings back national service.
Topic Started: Jun 27 2018, 06:52 PM (147 Views)
papasmurf
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I will be interested to see how this develops:-

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44625625

The French government has introduced a plan to bring back national service for all 16 year olds.

It was an idea put forward by Emmanuel Macron in his presidential campaign, to promote a sense of civic duty and national unity among French youth.

But some remain unconvinced of the benefits.

The new national service will cover all 16 year olds, girls as well as boys, and will be divided into two distinct phases.
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papasmurf
Jun 27 2018, 06:52 PM
I will be interested to see how this develops:-

More at link:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44625625

The French government has introduced a plan to bring back national service for all 16 year olds.

It was an idea put forward by Emmanuel Macron in his presidential campaign, to promote a sense of civic duty and national unity among French youth.

But some remain unconvinced of the benefits.

The new national service will cover all 16 year olds, girls as well as boys, and will be divided into two distinct phases.
I am sure that if that policy came into being, it would certainly differentiate the true patriotic French from the Asylum and illegal immigrants and my indeed be a good reason not to head for France if you are merely seeking asylum or illegal footholds in Europe and availing themselves of any sort of benefits and welfare on offer without repaying the host country.
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papasmurf
Jun 27 2018, 06:52 PM
I will be interested to see how this develops:-

More at link:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44625625

The French government has introduced a plan to bring back national service for all 16 year olds.

It was an idea put forward by Emmanuel Macron in his presidential campaign, to promote a sense of civic duty and national unity among French youth.

But some remain unconvinced of the benefits.

The new national service will cover all 16 year olds, girls as well as boys, and will be divided into two distinct phases.
It's just a compulsory month of charity or teaching work and no military content

Frankly the most interesting thing about that article was the snippet that India has never had any compulsory military service, not even in WW2

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Curious Cdn
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The French are figuring out that the days when the United States was the guarantor of European security are gone. The up-coming NATO summit will likely end like the G7 summit did, although Trump flies off at the end to meet with the different (and friendlier) dictator., Putin.

France got the message. So has Merkel. The Pax Americana of the last three quarter dentury is coming to an end ... probably permanently.
Edited by Curious Cdn, Jun 27 2018, 10:35 PM.
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Jun 27 2018, 10:29 PM
The French are figuring out that the days when the United States was the guarantor of European security are gone. The up-coming NATO summit will likely end like the G7 summit did, although Trump flies off at the end to meet with the different (and friendlier) dictator., Putin.

France got the message. So has Merkel. The Pax Americana of the last three quarter dentury is coming to an end ... probably permanently.
Thank goodness for the EU and its future potential.
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Not a bad idea, but whether a national service for the young will actually work with today's youth, is another matter. No doubt it will work in some sectors, but whether the disaffected youth in the major cities banlieues will happily go along with it must be doubtful. A form of National service has much to recommend it, but perhaps its time has passed.
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papasmurf
Jun 27 2018, 06:52 PM
I will be interested to see how this develops:-

More at link:-

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-44625625

The French government has introduced a plan to bring back national service for all 16 year olds.

It was an idea put forward by Emmanuel Macron in his presidential campaign, to promote a sense of civic duty and national unity among French youth.

But some remain unconvinced of the benefits.

The new national service will cover all 16 year olds, girls as well as boys, and will be divided into two distinct phases.
I don't think many regular forces personnel will be that enamoured with having to 'wet nurse' 16 year old conscripts, especially during any real conflict situation.

At age 16 I used to occasionally get the drop on older professional NCOs in 'exercise' situations - BUT, I had been an Army Cadet since age 13. [Also I didn't do drugs, and didn't get pissed.]
Edited by Oddball, Jun 28 2018, 06:31 PM.
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Jun 28 2018, 12:59 PM
Curious Cdn
Jun 27 2018, 10:29 PM
The French are figuring out that the days when the United States was the guarantor of European security are gone. The up-coming NATO summit will likely end like the G7 summit did, although Trump flies off at the end to meet with the different (and friendlier) dictator., Putin.

France got the message. So has Merkel. The Pax Americana of the last three quarter dentury is coming to an end ... probably permanently.
Thank goodness for the EU and its future potential.
That's probably true.
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Curious Cdn
Jun 28 2018, 09:10 PM
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Jun 28 2018, 12:59 PM
Curious Cdn
Jun 27 2018, 10:29 PM
The French are figuring out that the days when the United States was the guarantor of European security are gone. The up-coming NATO summit will likely end like the G7 summit did, although Trump flies off at the end to meet with the different (and friendlier) dictator., Putin.

France got the message. So has Merkel. The Pax Americana of the last three quarter dentury is coming to an end ... probably permanently.
Thank goodness for the EU and its future potential.
That's probably true.
If the EU does not change it's intransigence, inflexibility and a hard bitten adherence to an ideology, then the only fighting it will be involved in is 26 other member states.
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Jun 28 2018, 09:55 PM
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Jun 28 2018, 09:10 PM
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Jun 28 2018, 12:59 PM

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That's probably true.
If the EU does not change it's intransigence, inflexibility and a hard bitten adherence to an ideology, then the only fighting it will be involved in is 26 other member states.
They are a better bet than most. They are more stable than the UK.
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Jun 28 2018, 09:55 PM
Curious Cdn
Jun 28 2018, 09:10 PM
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Jun 28 2018, 12:59 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
That's probably true.
If the EU does not change it's intransigence, inflexibility and a hard bitten adherence to an ideology, then the only fighting it will be involved in is 26 other member states.
----"If the EU does not change it's intransigence, inflexibility and a hard bitten adherence to an ideology" ----,

That is a two sided coin, where both want to retain their strengths and their integrity. The UK are the ones who have chosen to leave the advantages of the EU. IMO we can only expect to get from the EU that which will not damage the future integrity of the EU.

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Jun 29 2018, 09:44 PM
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Jun 28 2018, 09:55 PM
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If the EU does not change it's intransigence, inflexibility and a hard bitten adherence to an ideology, then the only fighting it will be involved in is 26 other member states.
----"If the EU does not change it's intransigence, inflexibility and a hard bitten adherence to an ideology" ----,

That is a two sided coin, where both want to retain their strengths and their integrity. The UK are the ones who have chosen to leave the advantages of the EU. IMO we can only expect to get from the EU that which will not damage the future integrity of the EU.

There are also many advantages that the EU gains from the UK, they too could lose out, criminal technology being just one factor, so you see, compromise is the order of the day and the UK has so far gone above and beyond goodwill in the compromise stakes.

And here I return to my adjective of intransigence, the ball is in their court, change or be the masters of your own demise. ;-)
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Rich
Jun 30 2018, 12:29 AM
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Jun 29 2018, 09:44 PM
Rich
Jun 28 2018, 09:55 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
----"If the EU does not change it's intransigence, inflexibility and a hard bitten adherence to an ideology" ----,

That is a two sided coin, where both want to retain their strengths and their integrity. The UK are the ones who have chosen to leave the advantages of the EU. IMO we can only expect to get from the EU that which will not damage the future integrity of the EU.

There are also many advantages that the EU gains from the UK, they too could lose out, criminal technology being just one factor, so you see, compromise is the order of the day and the UK has so far gone above and beyond goodwill in the compromise stakes.

And here I return to my adjective of intransigence, the ball is in their court, change or be the masters of your own demise. ;-)
You're still not getting it are you

No deal means they'll be losing a foot and we'll be losing a leg. The EU-27 capitulating means them losing everything.
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