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***Official Offseason Thread*** 2007-2008
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Topic Started: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:41 pm (5,916 Views)
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Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:10 pm
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Throw Your Diamonds In The Air`!
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Erstad is like his former teammate, David Eckstein.
Has every single intangible that you could want on a team but is missing that one crucial part of your game, the ability to play baseball.
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Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:57 pm
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I don't break character until after the DVD commentary
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- Dec 28 2007, 11:10 AM
Erstad is like his former teammate, David Eckstein.
Has every single intangible that you could want on a team but is missing that one crucial part of your game, the ability to play baseball.
Eckstein no. Erstad, sadly, yes after all the injuries.
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yankee242B
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Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:16 pm
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I'm a lead farmer, motherf...
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- Infallable
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- Dec 28 2007, 11:10 AM
Erstad is like his former teammate, David Eckstein.
Has every single intangible that you could want on a team but is missing that one crucial part of your game, the ability to play baseball.
Eckstein no. Erstad, sadly, yes after all the injuries.
Eckstein absolutely.
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Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:36 pm
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I don't break character until after the DVD commentary
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- yankee242B
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- Dec 28 2007, 06:57 PM
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- Dec 28 2007, 11:10 AM
Erstad is like his former teammate, David Eckstein.
Has every single intangible that you could want on a team but is missing that one crucial part of your game, the ability to play baseball.
Eckstein no. Erstad, sadly, yes after all the injuries.
Eckstein absolutely.
oh yeah, I forgot, if you don't have the greatest stats int he world then you automatically suck at baseball.
You're only evidence does nothing but say that he's an average player, which isn't the same as not being able to play baseball.
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sportslover
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Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:39 pm
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- RTT
- Dec 28 2007, 11:10 AM
Erstad is like his former teammate, David Eckstein.
Has every single intangible that you could want on a team but is missing that one crucial part of your game, the ability to play baseball.
Eckstein no. Erstad, sadly, yes after all the injuries.
Eckstein absolutely.
oh yeah, I forgot, if you don't have the greatest stats int he world then you automatically suck at baseball. You're only evidence does nothing but say that he's an average player, which isn't the same as not being able to play baseball.
His(our) only evidence are stats. Stats reflect a player's ability to play baseball. His only evidence is THE evidence. I swear.
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Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:54 pm
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I don't break character until after the DVD commentary
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- Hyltzn
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- yankee242B
- Dec 28 2007, 03:16 PM
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- Dec 28 2007, 11:10 AM
Erstad is like his former teammate, David Eckstein.
Has every single intangible that you could want on a team but is missing that one crucial part of your game, the ability to play baseball.
Eckstein no. Erstad, sadly, yes after all the injuries.
Eckstein absolutely.
oh yeah, I forgot, if you don't have the greatest stats int he world then you automatically suck at baseball. You're only evidence does nothing but say that he's an average player, which isn't the same as not being able to play baseball.
His(our) only evidence are stats. Stats reflect a player's ability to play baseball. His only evidence is THE evidence. I swear.
Except that the stats that you choose to judge him on say that, according to you, he's an average player, which is not an inability to play baseball.
You seem to at least have some sort of an argument, as much as I think it's a bit flawed. At least when you tell me "His .713 career OPS means he can't possibly play baseball at all" you don't follow it up with saying that Eckstein is a horrible pickup despite the fact that he was picked up by a team whose two shortstops the previous season have career OPS's of .648 and .595.
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sportslover
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Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:07 pm
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- yankee242B
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- Dec 28 2007, 11:10 AM
Erstad is like his former teammate, David Eckstein.
Has every single intangible that you could want on a team but is missing that one crucial part of your game, the ability to play baseball.
Eckstein no. Erstad, sadly, yes after all the injuries.
Eckstein absolutely.
oh yeah, I forgot, if you don't have the greatest stats int he world then you automatically suck at baseball. You're only evidence does nothing but say that he's an average player, which isn't the same as not being able to play baseball.
His(our) only evidence are stats. Stats reflect a player's ability to play baseball. His only evidence is THE evidence. I swear.
Except that the stats that you choose to judge him on say that, according to you, he's an average player, which is not an inability to play baseball. You seem to at least have some sort of an argument, as much as I think it's a bit flawed. At least when you tell me "His .713 career OPS means he can't possibly play baseball at all" you don't follow it up with saying that Eckstein is a horrible pickup despite the fact that he was picked up by a team whose two shortstops the previous season have career OPS's of .648 and .595.
It's not 'according to me', they say he's an average player, it's according to the stats. Whatever you wanna use, anything but batting average, will tell you the same thing.
The guy is an average baseball players with utility-player skills, yet he's one of the more famous players in the game, that's the incredible part, and why we hate Scrappy Gritty Mchustle IV.
When he's saying he can't play baseball, he isn't being totally serious....c'mon.
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Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:08 pm
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I don't break character until after the DVD commentary
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- Hyltzn
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- Hyltzn
- Dec 28 2007, 05:39 PM
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- yankee242B
- Dec 28 2007, 03:16 PM
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- RTT
- Dec 28 2007, 11:10 AM
Erstad is like his former teammate, David Eckstein.
Has every single intangible that you could want on a team but is missing that one crucial part of your game, the ability to play baseball.
Eckstein no. Erstad, sadly, yes after all the injuries.
Eckstein absolutely.
oh yeah, I forgot, if you don't have the greatest stats int he world then you automatically suck at baseball. You're only evidence does nothing but say that he's an average player, which isn't the same as not being able to play baseball.
His(our) only evidence are stats. Stats reflect a player's ability to play baseball. His only evidence is THE evidence. I swear.
Except that the stats that you choose to judge him on say that, according to you, he's an average player, which is not an inability to play baseball. You seem to at least have some sort of an argument, as much as I think it's a bit flawed. At least when you tell me "His .713 career OPS means he can't possibly play baseball at all" you don't follow it up with saying that Eckstein is a horrible pickup despite the fact that he was picked up by a team whose two shortstops the previous season have career OPS's of .648 and .595.
It's not 'according to me', they say he's an average player, it's according to the stats. Whatever you wanna use, anything but batting average, will tell you the same thing. The guy is an average baseball players with utility-player skills, yet he's one of the more famous players in the game, that's the incredible part, and why we hate Scrappy Gritty Mchustle IV. When he's saying he can't play baseball, he isn't being totally serious....c'mon.
He's a sports writer. It's a pre-requisite to contradict yourself and be completely closed-minded.
At first I was surprised, but he's actually made it quite evident how he got the job.
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Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:39 pm
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I don't break character until after the DVD commentary
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And Eckstein is famous because he's a good guy and an unlikely success story. How the hell is that a bad thing?
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yankee242B
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Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:46 am
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I'm a lead farmer, motherf...
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Erstad is like his former teammate, David Eckstein.
Has every single intangible that you could want on a team but is missing that one crucial part of your game, the ability to play baseball.
Eckstein no. Erstad, sadly, yes after all the injuries.
Eckstein absolutely.
oh yeah, I forgot, if you don't have the greatest stats int he world then you automatically suck at baseball. You're only evidence does nothing but say that he's an average player, which isn't the same as not being able to play baseball.
That's the definition of not being able to play well. Everyone uses stats. Grow up.
And Eckstein's stats have barely ever been "average." His last season was one of his best and that barely qualifies him for average, not to mention the fact that he was injured for a large part of the season.
How am I being closed-minded (assuming you're referring to me)? I actually am willing to use something other than batting average, fielding percentage and RsBI to determine a player's worth/value. Many people are not -- that's the definition of being closed-minded. Now, if you have some problem with the way I evaluate players, fine, that doesn't automatically mean I'm wrong.
I'm not saying you're wrong either. But if you look at the bulk of Eckstein's career (or anyone else's for that matter) using other means for measurement you'll get a better idea of what they actually bring to the table. Saying there is such a thing as "grit," "hustle," or "scrappiness" is just sports writers having fun or trying to say a guy isn't good in a nice way. I'm serious. When a coach tells me that his player plays hard every play or has real heart instead of answering a question about his skill, that tells me (and the reader) something -- it means he tries hard but is not the coach's (or anyone else's) first choice.
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