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***Official Offseason Thread*** 2007-2008
Topic Started: Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:41 pm (5,914 Views)
sportslover
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Infallable
Dec 29 2007, 03:44 PM
Hyltzn
Dec 29 2007, 10:38 AM
Infallable
Dec 29 2007, 03:26 PM
Out of the box score, he handles the bat, moves runners over, runs the bases well (not the same thing as stolen bases).

30 years ago has as much to do with Eckstein as a player as "the majority of sports writers" who praise him as an X-Factor.

I threw the first one in on a whim.  The latter is a centerpiece in everything you say.  They're both irrelevant to this discussion.

He's a decent player AND a good guy to have around.  And best of all, he's found ways to be successful no matter what people like you say and deserves to be applauded for it.

Moving runners over(aka making outs) isn't valuable these days, when run scoring is so high and outs are so valuable. Which is why bunting has become obsolete.

How Eckstein is perceived by sportswriters and fans(A vast majority) has a lot do with Eckstein being overrated. A lot. Seriously, I was an ESPN poll asking 'who would you rather have on your team between Ecks and A-Rod', and fucking 30% answered Ecks. That's fucked up.

If every player who has ever been perceived by anybody to be better than he is was a completely crappy baseball player and out of the league, then the league would have about 5 teams.

The fact that media attention goes a little overboard with Eckstein doesn't make him any worse of a player. Besides, public goodwill and being a fan favorite is just another thing that he brings to whatever team he's playing for.

And for the record, ESPN polls mean as much as all-star voting.

The thing is: managers, GMs, etc. etc. believe the same intagible bullshit.

David Eckstein is a mediocre major league baseball player who should be a utility player. Period.
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RTT
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Throw Your Diamonds In The Air`!

I don't see what all of this arguing is going to get done.

I think we can all agree that Eckstein isn't close at all to most of the media's been portraying him as.

But as I originally said, he does have all of the intangibles and he IS valuable. He's not a good baseball player though but he has stuck around by doing the little things.

And I suppose that's better than nothing. He's not good though.
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Infallable
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I don't break character until after the DVD commentary

Being a mediocre major league baseball player is not a bad thing. Period.

*argument ended*
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sportslover
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Infallable
Dec 29 2007, 03:51 PM
Being a mediocre major league baseball player is not a bad thing. Period.

*argument ended*

Hell, at least you agreed that X-Factor is overvalued and mediocre.

^_^
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Infallable
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I don't break character until after the DVD commentary

Hyltzn
Dec 29 2007, 10:53 AM
Infallable
Dec 29 2007, 03:51 PM
Being a mediocre major league baseball player is not a bad thing.  Period.

*argument ended*

Hell, at least you agreed that X-Factor is overvalued and mediocre.

^_^

I've never refuted that, my point all along has been that it's by no means a bad thing.

Can someone move all the posts that are an argument about Eckstein to THIS thread?

I would but my browser doesn't have a horizontal scroll bar so I can't select the posts.
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yankee242B
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I'm a lead farmer, motherf...

Whatever you say, Infallable. Just remember: when someone says that a player "does the little things" or something along those lines, ask yourself why they aren't saying they do the big/important things.

But again, I guess you're right and I'm wrong...
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Redfox
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I are beast.

Time to get back on subject.

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- The Angels are no longer interested in Scott Rolen and are preparing extensions for players Vlad Guerrero and Francisco Rodriguez.


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- The Mets have had extended discussions with former Phillies pitchers Kyle Lohse and Jon Lieber. I know a lot of Mets fans have been discouraged by lack of movement from Omar Minaya, but I'm confident after talks with a Mets executives that moves are coming


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- The White Sox are looking for another bench player, according to sources. That wouldn't be a bad addition, especially if it is a veteran, but we'll determine if it is good or bad when they make a move.


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- The Reds are waiting on the Orioles in a trade for Erik Bedard.

If this deal goes through the Reds will be a contendor book it.
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yankee242B
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I'm a lead farmer, motherf...

That's interesting news about the Angels. I'd be interested to find out what they're looking at for Vlad considering his injury history.

Where are all of these coming from, Redfox?
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Redfox
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I are beast.

yankee242B
Dec 29 2007, 08:48 PM
That's interesting news about the Angels. I'd be interested to find out what they're looking at for Vlad considering his injury history.

Where are all of these coming from, Redfox?

http://mlb-rumors.blogspot.com/
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JoeCoolMan24
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I got Alicia Sacramone

Why are the White Sox looking for a bench player? We have 2 3B, 2 SS, and 4 outfielders. We should be looking to dump Uribe and someone, and try to swing a CF or SP for Crede.
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