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Barry Bonds Indicted
Topic Started: Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:40 pm (315 Views)
M.O.B
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Is there a heaven for uh mobsta?

BlindDeafandMute
Nov 16 2007, 02:20 AM
If Bonds lied about the use to a grand jury he should be prosecuted for it, BUT he should never of been brought before a grand jury to begin with. If the government has a problem with steroid use go after the suppliers not the users, on top of that there is no reason so much tax money should be invested in patrolling sports integrity. The whole thing is a sham. Whatever happen to Palmiero after he said he never used steroids to a jury, why didn't they hunt him down to try and prove he used steroids before that testimony, considering he got caught using them after.

The whole thing is a witch hunt that never should of taken place. Barry Bonds tested positive for steroids, he didn't kill, rape, or rob anybody, yet people hunt him down with the intensity as if he did, they demonize him as if he did. The guy at worst tainted the integrity of a sport, but in the grand scheme of things that's really not that big of a deal, especially considering he's only one of many, and the many don't get their names constantly dragged through the mud.

I completely agree.

The bottom line is. This really isn't about steroids at all. Im not saying its a racial thing, im saying this isn't about steroids and everyone knows it. If this was REALLY just about roids, there would be ALOT of people in jail right now. This is more about taking down Bonds, and everyone hating him.

You all know it is true.
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Our Lord and Saviour Brian Colangelo

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If Bonds lied about the use to a grand jury he should be prosecuted for it, BUT he should never of been brought before a grand jury to begin with.  If the government has a problem with steroid use go after the suppliers not the users, on top of that there is no reason so much tax money should be invested in patrolling sports integrity.


You're getting your court issues mixed up. These indictments stem from the BALCO investigations, when they were going after the distributors. He was brought into testify against BALCO. He signed a waiver that made him immune to prosecution so long as he testified. If he had just told the truth like Jason Giambi he'd be perfectly fine. The only problem is he lied to a grand jury and lying to the Fed's is a serious crime. If you remember the Martha Stewart investigations, she wasn't imprisoned for insider trading, she was imprisoned 6 months on perjury charges. This will be the same case only that Bonds committed four counts of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice which stemmed from lying to the grand jury about his steroid use. With no previous criminal record Bonds won't be going to prison anywhere near the maximum 30 years, but I'd wager that he's looking at 2+ years of prison time, probably with early parole.

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Whatever happen to Palmiero after he said he never used steroids to a jury, why didn't they hunt him down to try and prove he used steroids before that testimony, considering he got caught using them after.


That was in front of congress and a different situation. Now, I'm not fully sure on the illegalities, but I'm sure it's similar, as it was under oath. The only difference is that the situations were drastically different. On one hand you have a mindless exhibit in front of congress so politicians can have their names in the paper and on the other hand you have a serious drug bust investigation of a pharmaceutical company that distributed illegal substances. Call me crazy but there is a little difference.

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The guy at worst tainted the integrity of a sport, but in the grand scheme of things that's really not that big of a deal


But sir, lying to a grand jury is a big deal. You can't have a major celebrity getting away perjury when everyone knows he's guilty of it. It undermines the system. You have to send the message that absolutely no one is above the law, or you'll have the common people lie in other investigations. Whether he lied in a murder investigation or a drug distribution investigation, it doesn't matter. Lying to the government is a serious crime.

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Everyone can continue to moan and groan and ridicule Bonds next year, but I'll enjoy watching him knocking Home Runs onto Sheffield Ave and fulfilling his quest for his first World Title!


I think it's more likely we see him as the MVP of the California State Penitentiary Baseball League.

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The bottom line is. This really isn't about steroids at all. Im not saying its a racial thing, im saying this isn't about steroids and everyone knows it. If this was REALLY just about roids, there would be ALOT of people in jail right now. This is more about taking down Bonds, and everyone hating him.

You all know it is true


Again, it has nothing to do about whether or not he took steroids and everything to do about lying to investigators in a major drug bust. If he had just told the truth he wouldn't be in this predicament. Jason Giambi admitted he took the cream and the clear, so he isn't going to be on trial.

Kind of sad when Jason Giambi is the bright beacon of morality in this case. :huh:
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BlindDeafandMute
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I said SPECIFICALLY that if he lied to a grand jury he should be prosecuted, did I not? Okay, so now that that is clear I can go on. Please do not criticize me for something I specifically did not say.

Anyways, you are right, he was brought up in front a of a grand jury for BALCO I just got bothered that so many people seem to be cheering him possibly going to jail as like it were punishment for him using steroids. Anyways though, to further things BALCO was a steroid dealer to what were mostly athletes from my understanding and the government still should not be wasting time going after steroids when there are worse drugs in greater epidemic stages than steroids, hurting more people.

Even still, they spent four years on investigating possible perjury of someone that lied about their use of steroids, I think the effort and money spent into investigating a crime should corrolate with the seriousness of the crime, and while perjury is serious what he may have lied about is not. If the government truly spent 4 years going after every person that ever committed perjury nothing would get done. Let's be honest here, plenty of people committ perjury to some degree, but the government isn't going to spend 4 years going after them because they lied about whether or not they really couldn't remember if that guy was at the club that night, when they are just a witness, and they got their conviction anyways.
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jrmycmpfan
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I can't believe Bonds. All he has to do is tell the truth on the stand, he could have said anything, and would have been immune. But of course he lies. Is his image that important?
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BlindDeafandMute
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jrmycmpfan
Nov 19 2007, 01:07 AM
I can't believe Bonds. All he has to do is tell the truth on the stand, he could have said anything, and would have been immune. But of course he lies. Is his image that important?

Well look what happened to Giambi, he didn't come out and admit his steroid use to the public, his testimony was leaked. So the confidence that he showed in the courts as far as anything he said only being kept in the courts was betrayed.
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BlindDeafandMute
Nov 19 2007, 02:19 AM
jrmycmpfan
Nov 19 2007, 01:07 AM
I can't believe Bonds. All he has to do is tell the truth on the stand, he could have said anything, and would have been immune. But of course he lies. Is his image that important?

Well look what happened to Giambi, he didn't come out and admit his steroid use to the public, his testimony was leaked. So the confidence that he showed in the courts as far as anything he said only being kept in the courts was betrayed.

But I mean, why lie, when you have immunity? Just doesn't make sense.
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fcukernaut
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I said SPECIFICALLY that if he lied to a grand jury he should be prosecuted, did I not? Okay, so now that that is clear I can go on. Please do not criticize me for something I specifically did not say


Alright a bit of miscommunication. I misread settle down.

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Anyways though, to further things BALCO was a steroid dealer to what were mostly athletes from my understanding and the government still should not be wasting time going after steroids when there are worse drugs in greater epidemic stages than steroids, hurting more people.


Sure, there are a lot of drugs on the street, and steroids and growth hormones are not necessarily, the worst but they still are dangerous. As such there are laws against acquiring said drugs without a prescription. They are doing their jobs of busting up illegal drug trade. I have no problem with them enforcing the law.

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Even still, they spent four years on investigating possible perjury of someone that lied about their use of steroids, I think the effort and money spent into investigating a crime should corrolate with the seriousness of the crime, and while perjury is serious what he may have lied about is not.


Well, again how much of those four years were they truly investigating? I know the last year and a half was spent simply waiting for Greg Anderson to break. That means no time was spent on the case, and now that it appears that Greg Anderson will not break and will stay quiet they have brought it to court.

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Well look what happened to Giambi, he didn't come out and admit his steroid use to the public, his testimony was leaked. So the confidence that he showed in the courts as far as anything he said only being kept in the courts was betrayed.


Image or jail time, your choice what would it be? It's not like it really mattered, everyone hates Bonds because he's a dick. Plain and simple. He'd still have been vilified even if this whole steroid thing came up because he's an asshole.
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BlindDeafandMute
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I'm just stating the level of effort put into nailing a guy for a minor deal is unfair, at least in comparison to what would come from someone of the everyday variety. They got their conviction on Conte, and brought BALCO down, only reason to spend 4 years going after Bonds despite that, is because of a vendetta. Being an asshole shouldn't make you more subject to the law than non-assholes. During the 4 years they had that whole leak about how they tried to wire players or whatever to get him, so obviously they weren't just sitting on their hands waiting for Anderson to speak the whole time. They also had to re-up their ability to investigate Bonds for it to last 4 years, meaning even though the normal amount of time it takes to find evidence against him was not enough, they showed an effort to prove they could do it with more time, they were doing things.
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KRS-One
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So long, and thanks for all the fish...

I think any objective, unbiased observer can agree that Barry Bonds has been treated entirely and completely unfairly.

Steroids or not, he's the greatest baseball player of all-time.

And as far as lying to the feds goes....fuck the feds.
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