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Is stealing wrong?
Topic Started: Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:15 pm (1,030 Views)
KRS-One
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Prince_RIP
Nov 28 2007, 03:18 PM
Ok, then who says that you have a right to your body and life??? By your logic, your parents could possibly think it belongs to them, since they brought you into this world.

I already pointed out that your body most definitely belongs to you, for sure. Otherwise, it wouldn't be your body. Whether your parents own you, well...that's debatable.

Personally, I don't think it is possible to own a living being, but that's neither here nor there, as it can't be proven or disproven.
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KRS-One
Nov 28 2007, 02:42 PM
Prince_RIP
Nov 28 2007, 03:18 PM
Ok, then who says that you have a right to your body and life??? By your logic, your parents could possibly think it belongs to them, since they brought you into this world.

I already pointed out that your body most definitely belongs to you, for sure. Otherwise, it wouldn't be your body. Whether your parents own you, well...that's debatable.

Personally, I don't think it is possible to own a living being, but that's neither here nor there, as it can't be proven or disproven.

Wouldn't that apply to yourself then? How can you own yourself as a being but not another person as a being? Your logic is flawed my friend. Not to mention, if you earn a physical possession then you have just as much right to it, if not more than you do your own being. You earned your physical possessions, at least some of them, for some people. You don't ever earn your life, all you do is get shot outa Dad's nutsack and not let yourself starve to death or walk in front of a truck for however many years.
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KRS-One
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Bigrussmooney
Nov 28 2007, 05:52 PM
KRS-One
Nov 28 2007, 02:42 PM
Prince_RIP
Nov 28 2007, 03:18 PM
Ok, then who says that you have a right to your body and life??? By your logic, your parents could possibly think it belongs to them, since they brought you into this world.

I already pointed out that your body most definitely belongs to you, for sure. Otherwise, it wouldn't be your body. Whether your parents own you, well...that's debatable.

Personally, I don't think it is possible to own a living being, but that's neither here nor there, as it can't be proven or disproven.

Wouldn't that apply to yourself then? How can you own yourself as a being but not another person as a being? Your logic is flawed my friend. Not to mention, if you earn a physical possession then you have just as much right to it, if not more than you do your own being. You earned your physical possessions, at least some of them, for some people. You don't ever earn your life, all you do is get shot outa Dad's nutsack and not let yourself starve to death or walk in front of a truck for however many years.

You don't own yourself, you are yourself. You own your body, because you are/are in your body.

And, who's to decide what constitutes "earning" a physical possession? Some would argue that going through the process of stealing alone entitles them to whatever it is they stole, especially if they really had to work for it.
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Prince_RIP
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well, since you yourself admitted that if your property really being your own is debatable, then your life really being your own is debatable. Thus, there are 2 options.
1. Say that nothing is actually morally wrong.
2. Use common sense when deciding your morals, and don't do anything to harm anyone else.

I'll take option 2.
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shinpapoose
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Stilling from old people is bad


Stealing from poor people is bad


Stealing from rich people who can easily replace it is good =)
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drexlerfan11
Nov 28 2007, 05:30 PM
yankee242B
Nov 28 2007, 07:19 PM
How about this: It is wrong because we, as a majority in a society (in this case, the world) have decided and agreed that it is wrong.

Better?

no, its not a sound argument at all.

Why? You asked if stealing is wrong. I said yes, because the majority of society has agreed that it is, therefore it is.

There is a reason that, before you know anything about laws or rules or whatever, that certain things hurt you. It's inate. I guarantee that you know as a small child that having something taken from you is not good nor is it right.

Now, I have resigned myself to the fact that you will never be happy with any answer given about this subject. No matter what, you will just flat reject anything anyone says as not answering the question whether it does or doesn't.
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shinpapoose
Nov 28 2007, 03:35 PM
Stilling from old people is bad


Stealing from poor people is bad


Stealing from rich people who can easily replace it is good =)

Once again you back up your illiteracy issues, as well as your lack of brain capacity.

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Why? You asked if stealing is wrong. I said yes, because the majority of society has agreed that it is, therefore it is.

There is a reason that, before you know anything about laws or rules or whatever, that certain things hurt you. It's inate. I guarantee that you know as a small child that having something taken from you is not good nor is it right.

Now, I have resigned myself to the fact that you will never be happy with any answer given about this subject. No matter what, you will just flat reject anything anyone says as not answering the question whether it does or doesn't.


Agreed. :thumbsup:


You CAN own items as well as you can own your self, otherwise you can't own yourself either. Once you put time/effort into something it becomes yours, and there's no case of anyone stealing something that's putting just as much time/effort into stealing it as it took to get it by the original owner.
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The fact that the majority of society affirms something proves nothing. It is a argument based on a fallacy. It's not that I'm not happy with it, its just flat out flawed.

I although think you (Yankee) are missing the point. I actually agree with you that ethics are inherited and innate. Even if no one tells us that killing is wrong or something, it is something that just feels wrong - at least to me anyway. So I agree with you on that. But this is subjective, not objective as I have said before. Therefore, stealing is not necessarily wrong, it is something that I think is wrong.

Please, you are saying that I am stubborn (which in following my philosophy here, I respect your opinion as your own) but I know exactly what you are saying and its not that I'm not happy with it, it is just based on faulty foundations. Its called ad populum fallacy - appeal to the majority.
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KRS-One
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Prince_RIP
Nov 28 2007, 06:30 PM
well, since you yourself admitted that if your property really being your own is debatable, then your life really being your own is debatable. Thus, there are 2 options.
1. Say that nothing is actually morally wrong.
2. Use common sense when deciding your morals, and don't do anything to harm anyone else.

I'll take option 2.

How is your life being your own debatable? It's not, in any way. If your life wasn't yours, then it wouldn't be your life. Is it that hard to understand? :huh:
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KRS-One
Nov 28 2007, 07:30 PM
Prince_RIP
Nov 28 2007, 06:30 PM
well, since you yourself admitted that if your property really being your own is debatable, then your life really being your own is debatable. Thus, there are 2 options.
1. Say that nothing is actually morally wrong.
2. Use common sense when deciding your morals, and don't do anything to harm anyone else.

I'll take option 2.

How is your life being your own debatable? It's not, in any way. If your life wasn't yours, then it wouldn't be your life. Is it that hard to understand? :huh:

How is stealing possibly being right debatable?? It's not, just as murder possibly being morally right isn't debatable.
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