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Topic Started: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:54 pm (1,082 Views)
jrmycmpfan
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Keep cool my babies

dbacksfan
Apr 14 2008, 05:44 PM
whose EqA is .157
Apr 14 2008, 04:28 PM
I agree. OPS is nonsense.

:huh: Really? I am not saying the stat is perfect or anything but to put it off all together seems wrong. Lord knows Tommy Tango knows more about baseball stats then I will in 4 life times but I just want to know the reasoning as to why he discounts OPS.

And M's, here is the 2001 Mariners.

Pyth. record- 109-53/ Actual record- 116-46

Team OPS+ - 118
Team ERA+ - 118

118 + 118= 236

236 - 200= +36

81 + 36= 117 wins :o

Missed by one game.

And that one game would have given them the record. :lol:
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dbacksfan
Apr 14 2008, 08:44 PM
whose EqA is .157
Apr 14 2008, 04:28 PM
I agree. OPS is nonsense.

:huh: Really? I am not saying the stat is perfect or anything but to put it off all together seems wrong. Lord knows Tommy Tango knows more about baseball stats then I will in 4 life times but I just want to know the reasoning as to why he discounts OPS.

And M's, here is the 2001 Mariners.

Pyth. record- 109-53/ Actual record- 116-46

Team OPS+ - 118
Team ERA+ - 118

118 + 118= 236

236 - 200= +36

81 + 36= 117 wins :o

Missed by one game.

It's not total nonsense. It's good for a quick look at a player, but it's flawed like hell. I'm not exactly sure why he dislikes it(though you could probably dig it up in his blog), but a ton of it has to do with how it counts OBP and slugging as equals, which is not true.

Maybe if it were:

1.8OBP + slugging

It just doesn't make much sense to add the two together.

Also, why would you use OPS when you run estimators at your disposal, such as wOBA and EqA which are based on LWTS?
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jrmycmpfan
Apr 14 2008, 05:48 PM
And that one game would have given them the record.  :lol:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=210805105

That day was horrible. :mellow:
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sportslover
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Mariners in 2008
Apr 14 2008, 11:04 PM
jrmycmpfan
Apr 14 2008, 05:48 PM
And that one game would have given them the record.  :lol:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=210805105

That day was horrible. :mellow:

That was a whole lot like the game in which the A's won their 20th consecutive game after blowing a 11-0 lead.

:o
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whose EqA is .157
Apr 14 2008, 08:08 PM
Mariners in 2008
Apr 14 2008, 11:04 PM
jrmycmpfan
Apr 14 2008, 05:48 PM
And that one game would have given them the record.  :lol:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=210805105

That day was horrible. :mellow:

That was a whole lot like the game in which the A's won their 20th consecutive game after blowing a 11-0 lead.

:o

That would have been win #117. Actually, should have been win #117.

I'll never forget that day. It was a Sunday night ESPN baseball game. It's one of those days you just can't forget. Everyone has them. -_-
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sportslover
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More from Tango on betaOPS+:

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It's not so much that it's "wrong", but its
implication is that the average player at each
position is equal.  And, that's a tough sell.

Tom
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jrmycmpfan
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Keep cool my babies

Mariners in 2008
Apr 14 2008, 08:04 PM
jrmycmpfan
Apr 14 2008, 05:48 PM
And that one game would have given them the record.  :lol:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=210805105

That day was horrible. :mellow:

Omg, I remember that game so well. That was such a ridiculous comeback. It was on ESPN Sunday Night Baseball.
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sportslover
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Found a better formula for eBABIP:

Actually, 2. One Tango e-mailed to me and the other one is from blog which I can't find anymore:

.75*LD
+.27*GB
+.15*FB
+.02*IF

and

.763LD%
+ .265GB%
+ .131FB%

The 2nd one is better. Tango's caused some discrepancies with IF(infield fly) in the equation, so I took it out. Really, it's illogical because every IF gets caught, unless like Lastings Milledge or Eli is out there.
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dbacksfan
I am a Ignorant Nazi Ass

I know what BABIP is but what is eBABIP?
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JoeCoolMan24
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I got Alicia Sacramone

Chone Figgins has an OBP over .500.

:eek:
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