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| jrmycmpfan | Sat Aug 2, 2008 8:43 pm Post #71 |
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Keep cool my babies
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But it doesn't measure how well he plays the ball off of the Green Monster. |
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| sportslover | Sat Aug 2, 2008 9:36 pm Post #72 |
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Oh, yeah, forgot about that.....
Edited by sportslover, Sat Aug 2, 2008 9:36 pm.
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| Rjlope | Sat Aug 2, 2008 10:52 pm Post #73 |
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Go Dodgers!!
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Manny hit his first hr in dodger blue today. |
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| Dewon | Sun Aug 3, 2008 1:17 am Post #74 |
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anyone who thinks the red sox gave up anything of value besides manny is delusional. guys like CRAIG HANSEN and BRANDON MOSS have 0 value to the red sox. hansen already proved he couldnt make it in boston and for moss to ever play substantial time for the sox bay, drew and coco would all have to be gone. by the time they are gone, the red sox will have bigger and better down in the farm than brandon moss, there is no doubt about that. to say the red sox got owned in this deal is to say that manny owns bay. you could say that he does, but that's not something any of you would say when manny was still on the sox. |
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| Dewon | Sun Aug 3, 2008 1:19 am Post #75 |
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also, the 2 draft picks probably would've been better than what the pirates got. hansen has 0 value, that single A pitcher has close to 0 value and as for laroche and moss.. i think better could be found with 2 draft picks. the dodgers won this deal easily. they basically gave up nothing for a great hitter to cement their lineup. |
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| jrmycmpfan | Sun Aug 3, 2008 1:25 am Post #76 |
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Keep cool my babies
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Haha, I thought Hansen was supposed to be a future closer type bullpen pitcher. In the words SL, "Small sample size," as well. You can't say he won't be anything ever. |
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| Dewon | Sun Aug 3, 2008 1:37 am Post #77 |
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he wasnt going to be anything in boston. he had his shot the past 3 years and he has consistently sucked in the big leagues. this has been his best season with an era of 5.58 and a whip of 1.7. big loss... our middle relief will be devastated without him... i think papelbon is our closer of the future and manny delcarmen is our setup man of the future. it's not like we can't just reach down in our farm system right now and grab someone who will do as well or better than craig hansen. |
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| sportslover | Sun Aug 3, 2008 1:58 am Post #78 |
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It's incredible how you say that without any basis and without anything to justify what you say. Nate Silver estimated the value of a draft pick in this article here: http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=4368 Nate estimated a tier three pick (16-25) as worth $8.95 million and a tier four pick (26 or later) as worth $3.24 million. If you adjust for inflation, it'd be this: Tier three Pick- $12.2 million Tier four Pick- $4.42 million (Got that from this: http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/evaluating-the-cc-sabathia-trade/) That's how valuable those picks are to a team in their 6 years of guaranteed play with the team that drafted them (after that they're FA). You can probably bet that the team who signs Bay will have a tier three pick (not a terrible team), so that's probably what the Pirates would have gotten for Bay, which is a total of around $16.5 million. Now, let's say Moss does turn out to be an average MLB baseball player, aka 2 WAR. In 2008, a 2 WAR player is worth around $8.8 million. Without having to adjust for inflation, if the Pirates can get two years of averageness from Moss, he alone is worth more than those 2 picks. And we haven't even gotten to Laroche, who has certainly shown he can hit enough to be a good major league 3B. You can chose to believe that those players have zero value, but then you'd be an idiot.... Edited by sportslover, Sun Aug 3, 2008 2:05 am.
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| Dewon | Sun Aug 3, 2008 2:06 am Post #79 |
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i didn't say that laroche and moss had 0 value. good job spinning my words, as always. i'm sure yankeer2d2 will give you a pat on the back for that one. and all these assumptions about how a draft pick is going to turn out are just wild guesses. brandon moss was once an 8th round pick 6 years ago. andy laroche was a 39th round pick. what would nate's little statistics say about him when he got drafted? and also note that now you are just arguing that trading bay for these minor parts was better than keeping him and getting a draft pick for him. not that these parts actually match his value. but at the same time you and your little buddies talk about how the red sox got horrible value for manny while they actually got a younger player who has had the same offensive impact in 2008 and you say is a better defender! |
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| yankee242B | Sun Aug 3, 2008 2:08 am Post #80 |
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I'm a lead farmer, motherf...
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I agree that the two prospects the Sox gave up weren't much to Boston (Hansen hadn't impressed enough in his chances and, like Dewon said, unless Crisp is unloaded, Moss wasn't going to get a shot anytime soon), but the point is they didn't get good value for RAMIREZ. That's where everyone is saying the Red Sox got fleeced. For all their talk about getting fair value for Manny's offense in recent years (at least, that's what they said was the reason they didn't trade him before this season), they didn't get much for him when you look at it. They didn't get a prospect or a package. All they got was Jason Bay, who, while a fine ballplayer and better defender than Manny, would never be confused with the spacey slugger that Ramirez is/was. Again, the talk is not about what prospects the Red Sox lost, it's about what they didn't get for Manny. (Although when you surrender prospects as well and still don't get much back, that is just plain robbed.) |
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