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Ken Griffey Jr. traded to White Sox
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Topic Started: Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:01 am (513 Views)
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EViL2uCe
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Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:42 pm
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Did I wake you, motha fucka!?
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Will Griffey even play next year? I know they split the guaranteed 9 mil, but does anyone even think at what 38-39 years he's still gonna be able to give you a full season?
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JoeCoolMan24
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Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:47 pm
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I got Alicia Sacramone
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After I found out the details of the trade, I am 1000X more happy about this deal. I figured we were giving up Fields, Broadway, Poreda, Getz, Richard, or a minor leaguer that was actually valuable to us. Richar has been injuried and can't even hack in in AAA, and Masset is terrible.
I really dont think we need Griffey, but the fact that we gave up NO ONE and I also heard that Cinci is paying the remainder of Griffey's contract, I am happy. Its a no-risk, medium reward deal. He can only hurt us in the field, but will help out the hitting and fanbase.
How will he help your hitting? And the two teams are splitting the remainder of the contract, along with the $4 mil buyout. You did give up someone, which is more than you should give up for someone of Griffey's talent level. Griffey is a replacement level player. Those types of players warrant the league minimum, which is $400 k. Meanwhile you'll be paying him 1/2 of 1/3 of $12.5 mil, which is $2, along with $2 next year, and you're getting nothing from him next season. The White Sox are losing $3,600,000 in equity right there. The Reds gain $4 mil which they would have had to pay Griffey, along with say $10 million for both prospects (say they're each worth $5 mil during their time with the Reds, which is a solid estimate considering Law sees Richar as a utility player and Masset as a reliever). That's about $12 million dollars they gain on the trade, considering they'll have to pay the two prospects very little money for the next +6 years. It's
He will help our hitting because Griffey>>Konerko.
That is not true. When you consider true talent, Konerko has a better projected (projections -- which are a measure of true talent)wOBA than Griffey. That's not even considering the amount of runs Griffey is going to cost Chicago. This is a stupid deal by the Sox. Ok.
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yankee242B
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Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:48 pm
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It is absolutely a head-scratching deal from the Sox perspective. Didn't do much other than generate headlines in Chi-town. Didn't help them, anyway.
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Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:03 pm
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I assume he will play some DH (yes i know Thomes plays DH).
Good move by the Sox even though they dont really need an outfielder.
How is this a good move? Griffey is a total butcher in the OF (possibly the worst defensive OF in baseball after Manny), and offensively he's been very unimpressive now (.348, .320, and .312 park adjusted wOBAs the past 3 seasons). I have him as a true talent .331 wOBA hitter (the league average is .338). He can't field and he can't hit enough to be a DH. I have him as a true talent -.6 win above replacement player given his playing time (or a -.3 WAR per 162 games); that is, he is basically half a win worse than a replacement level player (a guy you can sign for the league minimum, or a guy that you can freely find on the market anyt time). Meanwhile, I have Konerko as a true talent .342 wOBA hitter, and he's pretty average defensively. That would make him a 1.5 WAR player, or a 1.7 WAR hitter. That's below average, and nothing too great but better than Griffey. The White Sox and their fans are just too jumpy about Konerko. Reds fans should rejoice that they got something at least kind of valuable in return for him. And if the White Sox have to pay his pro rated contract, it's so much better. Anytime you can add a future hall of famer to your team is a good move.
Who knows maybe he ends up doing good in the postseason.
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CinciFan985
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Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:10 pm
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he could possibly play some cf from what i hear.if that happens i hope he's careful manning the position again.
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Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:24 pm
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I assume he will play some DH (yes i know Thomes plays DH).
Good move by the Sox even though they dont really need an outfielder.
How is this a good move? Griffey is a total butcher in the OF (possibly the worst defensive OF in baseball after Manny), and offensively he's been very unimpressive now (.348, .320, and .312 park adjusted wOBAs the past 3 seasons). I have him as a true talent .331 wOBA hitter (the league average is .338). He can't field and he can't hit enough to be a DH. I have him as a true talent -.6 win above replacement player given his playing time (or a -.3 WAR per 162 games); that is, he is basically half a win worse than a replacement level player (a guy you can sign for the league minimum, or a guy that you can freely find on the market anyt time). Meanwhile, I have Konerko as a true talent .342 wOBA hitter, and he's pretty average defensively. That would make him a 1.5 WAR player, or a 1.7 WAR hitter. That's below average, and nothing too great but better than Griffey. The White Sox and their fans are just too jumpy about Konerko. Reds fans should rejoice that they got something at least kind of valuable in return for him. And if the White Sox have to pay his pro rated contract, it's so much better.
Anytime you can add a future hall of famer to your team is a good move. Who knows maybe he ends up doing good in the postseason. You're a fucking dumbass. That's the stupidest thing I've read in a while.
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Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:25 pm
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After I found out the details of the trade, I am 1000X more happy about this deal. I figured we were giving up Fields, Broadway, Poreda, Getz, Richard, or a minor leaguer that was actually valuable to us. Richar has been injuried and can't even hack in in AAA, and Masset is terrible.
I really dont think we need Griffey, but the fact that we gave up NO ONE and I also heard that Cinci is paying the remainder of Griffey's contract, I am happy. Its a no-risk, medium reward deal. He can only hurt us in the field, but will help out the hitting and fanbase.
How will he help your hitting? And the two teams are splitting the remainder of the contract, along with the $4 mil buyout. You did give up someone, which is more than you should give up for someone of Griffey's talent level. Griffey is a replacement level player. Those types of players warrant the league minimum, which is $400 k. Meanwhile you'll be paying him 1/2 of 1/3 of $12.5 mil, which is $2, along with $2 next year, and you're getting nothing from him next season. The White Sox are losing $3,600,000 in equity right there. The Reds gain $4 mil which they would have had to pay Griffey, along with say $10 million for both prospects (say they're each worth $5 mil during their time with the Reds, which is a solid estimate considering Law sees Richar as a utility player and Masset as a reliever). That's about $12 million dollars they gain on the trade, considering they'll have to pay the two prospects very little money for the next +6 years. It's
He will help our hitting because Griffey>>Konerko.
That is not true. When you consider true talent, Konerko has a better projected (projections -- which are a measure of true talent)wOBA than Griffey. That's not even considering the amount of runs Griffey is going to cost Chicago. This is a stupid deal by the Sox.
Ok. You can say ok all you want, but it doesn't matter if you don't support your claim.
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Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:26 pm
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Will Griffey even play next year? I know they split the guaranteed 9 mil, but does anyone even think at what 38-39 years he's still gonna be able to give you a full season? He shouldn't play next season because he's not a valuable player anymore, and he won't be able to help any teams. He should just ride into the sunset and retire.
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JoeCoolMan24
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Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:30 pm
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I got Alicia Sacramone
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After I found out the details of the trade, I am 1000X more happy about this deal. I figured we were giving up Fields, Broadway, Poreda, Getz, Richard, or a minor leaguer that was actually valuable to us. Richar has been injuried and can't even hack in in AAA, and Masset is terrible.
I really dont think we need Griffey, but the fact that we gave up NO ONE and I also heard that Cinci is paying the remainder of Griffey's contract, I am happy. Its a no-risk, medium reward deal. He can only hurt us in the field, but will help out the hitting and fanbase.
How will he help your hitting? And the two teams are splitting the remainder of the contract, along with the $4 mil buyout. You did give up someone, which is more than you should give up for someone of Griffey's talent level. Griffey is a replacement level player. Those types of players warrant the league minimum, which is $400 k. Meanwhile you'll be paying him 1/2 of 1/3 of $12.5 mil, which is $2, along with $2 next year, and you're getting nothing from him next season. The White Sox are losing $3,600,000 in equity right there. The Reds gain $4 mil which they would have had to pay Griffey, along with say $10 million for both prospects (say they're each worth $5 mil during their time with the Reds, which is a solid estimate considering Law sees Richar as a utility player and Masset as a reliever). That's about $12 million dollars they gain on the trade, considering they'll have to pay the two prospects very little money for the next +6 years. It's
He will help our hitting because Griffey>>Konerko.
That is not true. When you consider true talent, Konerko has a better projected (projections -- which are a measure of true talent)wOBA than Griffey. That's not even considering the amount of runs Griffey is going to cost Chicago. This is a stupid deal by the Sox.
Ok.
You can say ok  all you want, but it doesn't matter if you don't support your claim. I think its a good move because the 2 players traded have absolutely no value, while Griffey still has some, and I also think Griffey is doing better than Konerko at this point. But there is no point in aruging with you because you are so frustrating to argue with, so I am not even going to get myself worked up, so I will just pretend to agree with you and then its over.
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Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:31 pm
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After I found out the details of the trade, I am 1000X more happy about this deal. I figured we were giving up Fields, Broadway, Poreda, Getz, Richard, or a minor leaguer that was actually valuable to us. Richar has been injuried and can't even hack in in AAA, and Masset is terrible.
I really dont think we need Griffey, but the fact that we gave up NO ONE and I also heard that Cinci is paying the remainder of Griffey's contract, I am happy. Its a no-risk, medium reward deal. He can only hurt us in the field, but will help out the hitting and fanbase.
How will he help your hitting? And the two teams are splitting the remainder of the contract, along with the $4 mil buyout. You did give up someone, which is more than you should give up for someone of Griffey's talent level. Griffey is a replacement level player. Those types of players warrant the league minimum, which is $400 k. Meanwhile you'll be paying him 1/2 of 1/3 of $12.5 mil, which is $2, along with $2 next year, and you're getting nothing from him next season. The White Sox are losing $3,600,000 in equity right there. The Reds gain $4 mil which they would have had to pay Griffey, along with say $10 million for both prospects (say they're each worth $5 mil during their time with the Reds, which is a solid estimate considering Law sees Richar as a utility player and Masset as a reliever). That's about $12 million dollars they gain on the trade, considering they'll have to pay the two prospects very little money for the next +6 years. It's
He will help our hitting because Griffey>>Konerko.
That is not true. When you consider true talent, Konerko has a better projected (projections -- which are a measure of true talent)wOBA than Griffey. That's not even considering the amount of runs Griffey is going to cost Chicago. This is a stupid deal by the Sox.
Ok.
You can say ok  all you want, but it doesn't matter if you don't support your claim.
I think its a good move because the 2 players traded have absolutely no value, while Griffey still has some, and I also think Griffey is doing better than Konerko at this point. But there is no point in aruging with you because you are so frustrating to argue with, so I am not even going to get myself worked up, so I will just pretend to agree with you and then its over. I'm frustrating to argue with because I'm objective? Griffey has no value. In the long run, the 2 other plays have more value than him. Can you not understand that?
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