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Ken Griffey Jr. traded to White Sox
Topic Started: Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:01 am (508 Views)
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JoeCoolMan24
Thu Jul 31, 2008 9:00 pm
Hyltzn
Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:56 pm
JoeCoolMan24
Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:51 pm
Hyltzn
Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:40 pm
JoeCoolMan24
Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:38 pm
Hyltzn
Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:31 pm
SorianoBoy_12
Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:27 pm
Games in Centerfield
Swisher= 58
Anderson= 57

And on the Sox website yesterday there was a poll over who should play 1st base between konerko and swisher. If there was a poll then that would leave Anderson in CF. So I had good reason to think that.

I dont watch the sox anyway so I could not care less.
This is something my spreadsheet could tell you:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2008_lu.shtml

Swisher- 57
Anderson- 32

And like I said, the only reason he has so many starts is due to Konerko's injury. And the White Sox fans are idiots and are making their decisions based on a small sample size. Konerko isn't the greatest hitter anymore, much like Griffey, but he's better than Anderson.



Super-fail. Get the fuck out of here. I mean, dude, you were just out watched by a dude who only sits in front of his computer looking at a spreadsheet.
We are making WHAT decisions based on a small sample size?
To bench him for Griffey, who is not an improvement.
Sure, if you consider a YEAR a small sample size. He has sucked since the all-star break last season.
Yeah, a year is kind of a small sample size. You certainly shouldn't make a decision based one season. Paul Konerko is shit hitter now. Overall, Griffey isn't much of an improvement, though.
Alright. Well obviously then Griffey is a good hitter because he had 30 HR, .277 AVG, .372 OBP, and OPS'd .868 last season. Griffey then is still a good power hitter with decent average, and gets on base at a good clip. Swweeet! :dance:
A .352 wOBA is not that impressive for a RF. You're also not referring to true talent level -- just last season. You're ignoring the year previous to that and the year before (which he was pretty good). Griffey came in with a .361 (as compared to Konerko who had a .368) projected wOBA, which is definetely not bad, but considering the fact that he's horrid defensively, he's just not that valuable.

I'd say Griffey is more valuable as a DH, where I have him as .3 WAR.
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Yankee1012
Thu Jul 31, 2008 3:03 pm
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Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:50 pm
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Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:27 pm
I assume he will play some DH (yes i know Thomes plays DH).

Good move by the Sox even though they dont really need an outfielder.
How is this a good move?

Griffey is a total butcher in the OF (possibly the worst defensive OF in baseball after Manny), and offensively he's been very unimpressive now (.348, .320, and .312 park adjusted wOBAs the past 3 seasons). I have him as a true talent .331 wOBA hitter (the league average is .338). He can't field and he can't hit enough to be a DH.

I have him as a true talent -.6 win above replacement player given his playing time (or a -.3 WAR per 162 games); that is, he is basically half a win worse than a replacement level player (a guy you can sign for the league minimum, or a guy that you can freely find on the market anyt time).

Meanwhile, I have Konerko as a true talent .342 wOBA hitter, and he's pretty average defensively. That would make him a 1.5 WAR player, or a 1.7 WAR hitter. That's below average, and nothing too great but better than Griffey. The White Sox and their fans are just too jumpy about Konerko.

Reds fans should rejoice that they got something at least kind of valuable in return for him. And if the White Sox have to pay his pro rated contract, it's so much better.
Anytime you can add a future hall of famer to your team is a good move.

Who knows maybe he ends up doing good in the postseason.
Super-wrong. There has to be some context. If the guy is aging and no longer the player that earned the enshrinement, then, no, it's not a good move. Griffey is well beyond his prime, is an injury risk and is only getting older. Not really worth it.

It's not like you trade for the guy's career and then you get those stats to help you win or something. He's got to be able to do something NOW. If Griffey were in a wheelchair right now, waiting his five years for Hall eligibility, and someone signed him (like Jim Bowden or, I dunno, Ken Williams), to you that's a good deal because he's a future HoFer.

Yet, in reality, it's monumentally stupid and you should be checked to see if you still know how to tie your shoes in the morning when you pull the trigger for that deal.
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it was good to see Griffey get 2 hits tonight.he looks nice in a #17 jersey. :)
Edited by CinciFan985, Fri Aug 1, 2008 10:51 pm.
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Griffey, Cincy end chilly relationship
it turned out to be a very poor match between Ken Griffey Jr., a private superstar, and Cincinnati, his adoring hometown. Griffey never really felt at home in the place he grew up. When he was traded to the Chicago White Sox on Thursday, few tears were shed in the city where he learned that short, sweet swing. On a number of levels, the relationship never worked, turning out to be more bitter than sweet. The city was expecting to see a lot of Griffey's smiling face and his affable Junior persona when he arrived. Instead, Griffey, a very private person away from the field, appeared overwhelmed by the outpouring. The never-ending attention lasted for most of that first season. Griffey pulled back, creating a chill in the relationship. Then, injuries did him in. During his second season in Cincinnati, Griffey tore a hamstring. That was just the start. In the next few years, he spent more time overcoming injuries -- torn patella tendon, torn hamstrings, dislocated shoulder, torn ankle, dislocated toe -- than hitting homers.
--Associated Press
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Ken Griffey Jr is my favorite player of all time, so I have definitely been switching to his games.

Thus far he has been completely flawless from what I have seen.
Yesterday
Line Drive Single to drive in Run
Line Drive Single to drive in Run & Score
Line Drive to the warning track in CF at Kaufmann where it is 410 and is one of the ballparks where fly balls carry least. In 25 other ballparks it's a home run to center
Walk

I missed his at-bat today, but I did just see him use his range to make a diving catch in Center Field.

I hope he keeps this up.
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