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| Tweet Topic Started: Fri Aug 1, 2008 10:16 am (135 Views) | |
| jmill123 | Fri Aug 1, 2008 10:16 am Post #1 |
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Ive enjoyed reading some of your Comments about the status of TNA and the Status of WWE. Im kinda curious and always have been on this question. If Ted Turner and the rest of the WCW board of Directors had'nt stuck there noses in on Eric Bishoff's plan in the late 90' s and early 00's, would WWE have loss the Monday Night Wars? Ive always been a fan of both. Growing up watching the old NWA studio shows and so on. But after watching the DVD of Monday Night Wars, I really wonder if WWE could have survived if Ted Turner would have left Eric in charge of the show? I mean, the NWO was the best thing to happend to WCW. Eric did what no one else ever thought of... 1)Made Hulk Hogan into a fan favorite HEEL! Instead of the good guy, do anything for you, Hogan became a superstar Heel! 2)Made a super group of heels that became so popular, Everyone in the stands had an NWO shirt(Which also lead to a meltdown because it got to big) 3)Introduced us to alot of the Mexican Wrestling talent. 4)Brought in big name superstars from the WWE Meanwhile Vince really didnt have many good gimics until the later part of 97-98. Vine had some horrible gimmicks. Doink was a good wrestler but the gimmick sucked. Brooklyn Brawler, bOOGER, I mean it sucked in those days. I guess what Im getting at is WWE still made it as a stage show while WCW made it as real as they could Vince did have the following going on that helped.. 1)Stone Cold- Of course this was one of the things that saved the WWE 2)Hart Foundation- Before Brett bailed, you have to admit they were a great Heel group 3)HBK going back to being a heel. I think this was the best HBK we had. 4)The Start of DX. HBK, HHH, Chyna would soon be joined by XPac, Roaddog, and Billy Gunn 5)The intro of Kane 6)The Undertaker- Always a good seller although his feuds with Kamala, yokozuna, and others got old quick. I guess the main question is, If Eric Bishoff had been left in charge and not run off for Vince Russo, would we be watching WCW on Mondays? Let me tell you, I have been watching wrestling since 1987. That 90's era was the greatest time to be a wrestling fan. Sometimes makes me think this is the worse time. |
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| thefreak985 | Fri Aug 1, 2008 11:22 am Post #2 |
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Being the monday night wars expert I am, this is a favorite topic Vince was set in his ways, wasnt gonna change. Eric changed pro wrestling, gave it the bad ass feel when you watched it Vince follwed that, took it to the next level, pushed the envelope Eric wouldnt get rid of the old guys, then when it was too late he tried to push younger stars, but the good ones were already gone. In 2001, wCw finally was free of the big old guys, but Vince bought them. We may never know what could've been........ |
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| Spear | Fri Aug 1, 2008 12:14 pm Post #3 |
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Well you also have to take into account the fact that it wasn't so much Bischoff as AOL-Time Warner. The higher higher ups wanted WCW to turn into a family show, something that would've been great in the 80s, but failed in the 90s/00s. I think the Monday Night Wars could've been absolutely massive had the right pieces fallen into place. If Ted Turner still had the kind of control he did when it when Nitro started, if Bischoff had never left, if Russo had never been hired. I mean, when DX showed up to Nitro, Bischoff wanted to take the NWO to WWE HQ. Imagine what THAT would've been like? But friggin feminist Nazis who think video games kill, saw Raw and went, "no way we're being like that". Was a recipe for disaster I mean, just IMAGINE what could've happened with a WCW with Bischoff at the helm, and a willing Ted Turner and his pockets, like it was in 96-98/99. Damn. Edited by Spear, Fri Aug 1, 2008 12:16 pm.
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| thefreak985 | Fri Aug 1, 2008 3:50 pm Post #4 |
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Take in to account Eric wouldnt stand up to the Hogan like guys, and gave out unrealistic contracts at will. Leaving gues like Jericho, Guerrero, Benoit on the back burner. wCw PPV's really were never worth ordering except for a big match. I mean Nitro was just as good as a wCw PPV, so that meant less money He would never bring down the nWo I would've thought a Goldberg vs. nWo fued would've been more entertaining than Austin vs. McMahon, but none of them wanted to go down. And he missused Bret Hart. There were lots of things Uncle Eric could've done, but its in the past |
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| Spear | Fri Aug 1, 2008 10:20 pm Post #5 |
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Eric did screw up, a lot, but I think part of it was because of the atmosphere that was going on. I also feel it was because WCW never really had good wrestling people who understood what it took to be successful in todays business. WCW was flooded with old time guys from the territorial days who didn't want to go controversial, which is what sold in that era. Vince didn't have that problem, and charged right along. I also feel that a lot of the fault needs to fall on that creative team I was just talking about, for not thinking up characters like Stone Cold, Y2J, Eddie's Lie, Cheat, Steal character in WWE. WCW had a lot of opportunities, but I think a mix of that creative team, some bad decisions on Eric's part, and the lack of the ability to do anything too controversial because of old AOL-Time warner lead to bad times at WCW. Edited by Spear, Fri Aug 1, 2008 10:22 pm.
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| thefreak985 | Sun Aug 3, 2008 5:43 pm Post #6 |
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Yea wCw was just a tv show to them. WWF was a company, wCw wasnt. To Time Warner, it was just an asset To Vince, WWF was his business. And wCw was build around its coverage on the turner networks. Once they cancelled nitro, Eric backed out, Vince swooped in, and now wrestling sucks |
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| jmill123 | Sun Aug 3, 2008 6:27 pm Post #7 |
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I think Eric was going to buy WCW at the end but they told him could have everything except the TV space. |
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| thefreak985 | Sun Aug 3, 2008 8:05 pm Post #8 |
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yeah, I mean he gave up too easy FX would've given him a deal I bet |
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| Common Sense | Mon Aug 4, 2008 12:24 pm Post #9 |
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Umm, the Rock anyone? The Rock , Stone Cold, DX and Undertaker quarrels were the only reason I watched WWF. |
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| Spear | Mon Aug 4, 2008 1:21 pm Post #10 |
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He was trying to get TV rights when Vince swooped in. I heard Eric was damn close to a deal too. As for CS, The Rock, SCSA, Undertaker and DX weren't what killed WCW. Bad business decisions, storylines, and the lack of a supporting AOL-Time Warner was. |
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