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Opinion On The Monday Night Wars
Topic Started: Fri Aug 1, 2008 10:16 am (140 Views)
thefreak985
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For anymone who wants the final word on all things wCw

go to here
http://ddtdigest.com/
the link under show reports should give you a few hours of reading!!!
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^^^And when Russo did that, he couldn't have fucked up any more.
That was just the boiling point of wCw

Tensions were always high, nothing could get done....

Russo was trying to push wCw in a new direction, Hulk Hogan comes in and says give me the belt now, because of a Bisch contract.....


Yes Russo couldve done things better, but what else could he of done.

David Arquette as champ, would him not being champ of made wCw more money, or made WWF less entertaining...no

Russo did better working under Vince.

Russo's downfall in wCw is that he didnt have a Stone Cold to build around. In WWF he started from scratch, pushed the edge, it was cool, in wCw WWF already pushed the edge and was entertaining, so he it wasnt new when he did it.

In the end, wCw was doomed by all parties, Hogan, Nash as booker, russo, Bischoff, AOL Time warner, big contracts, never pushing the youngins until they were gone,poor booking of Goldberg after the title,and being property rather than a company. WCW only made 2 stars during its time, DDP and Goldberg. They relied on recycling the old guys to be new characters, but once they were recycled they had nothing left to give that was new and exciting. WCW lost 17 million dollars in 2000. But all in all it ended the right way, Sting and Flair, and thats the way it should've been.
But the thing is, Russo kept screwing up things that would've benefitted the company. For instance, when Bischoff and Russo were both in WCW, Bischoff was trying to do things that would help fix some of the problems WCW was having TV wise. With that first clip, when Russo did that, he was screwing up a storyline that would've brought some value back to the world title.

It didn't help that Bischoff gave out some down right ridiculous contracts. It didn't help that Nash was a terrible booker. Hogan didn't help. Not pushing some of your younger guys to their potential didn't help. WCW was royally screwed, but I've always felt that it wasn't yet a doomed ship. With the right formula, it could've gotten back on it's feet, but Russo and AOL-Time Warner screwed it.

BTW if you want more proof that Russo fucking sucks, watch TNA, before and after Russo held any real power.
Oh I know TNA sucks, I was the biggest TNA fan...and now I quit qatching because its a disgrace.

I mean, me and you will prob always disagree on the Bash at the Beach thing, because thats one of my favorite moments in wrestling history.

Russo was excellent in WWF, was set in stone to fail in wCw, and has fucked up TNA

wCw crashed from when Hart got hurt, to when Bischoff and Russo were both sent out in the later part of 2000.

Russo was set to fail because of one reason, he came in to an old mans company, and tried to take the house down and build it with new stars. And without the Radicalz, and Jericho, and all the new talent that was being sent in was the muscle pumped WCW power plant trainees, not much to work with. And the audience he wanted was already watching his finished WWF creation, along with genious Vince McMahon promoting it and writing it.

Russo was sent to change the product, he did the best he could with little. He had no supervision and was given too much power, but like wCw always did they offered too much, and in the end, every thing was taken from wCw
The thing is though, that a lot of people you ask who were working with the WWE around the time the Attitude era was thought up, will laugh at the notion of Russo having any real significance in that.

I will agree with you with the whole, he didn't have a helluva lot to work with thing though. To prove this, look at when Bischoff came back and the best thing he could really do with AOL Time Warner breathing down his neck was bring in Kiss to play a one day concert.

There's a lot of people to blame for the demise of WCW, but I ultimately place most of the blame on AOL-Time Warner, followed by Russo.

As for the Bash at the Beach incident, I think it's one of the most infamous moments in wrestling. I just feel that Russo was fucking everything up by having Jarret lay down, and having the Jarret-Booker T match afterwards. He could've handled that much, much better. Funny thing though is that when Bischoff, who left early, heard about what Russo did, was PISSED. Lol.
Yeah, but what I like most about that was that at the time, wrestling being real had just ended for me and it was more and more evident that it was fake.

but that moment is my favorite now because it sent a message to Hogan that wrestling didnt need him anymore. WWF functioned just fine without him.

but what I've read from Bisch, Eric was sooo stressed and wore out from wCw, that he couldnt do it. He knew it was in the tanks.

But the real killer of wCw??? WWF was......

WWF and wCw were competing for the same audience at the same time...It was evident only one could win, wCw almost put WWF down, but WWF turned the tables, then the final nail in the coffin was put in.


One thing that I do like about the 2000 Bash at the Beach, is that, along with the Montreal Screw Job are probably two of the most real moments wrestling has ever seen. When Hogan was bitching Russo out, and Russo was bitching out the politics, they weren't screwing around. That wasn't a work. That was real.

One thing I find funny though is that Russo bitched about the politics, but was playing them just as much as everyone else, if not more. As for Eric being stressed out, he was stressed, but stressed because of the restrictions. He got fed up with trying to get things done, while having to run a marathon through red tape, and ultimately not being able to do it. That's when he knew it was done. When he couldn't do shit, because the people in power weren't letting him, and he couldn't even get to Ted to over-ride it all.

And I'll somewhat agree with WWF being the ultimate killer of wCw. It was the biggest nail. Once the attitude era was doing the same thing wCw was doing with the NWO storylines, only bigger and better. I think it's funny that Bischoff practically shat his pants when he saw what WWF was doing.
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I could never really bring myself to blaming Vince Russo. Well, not 100% all on him. I mean, the bullshit politics did kill WCW. Hulk Hogan and Kevin Nash were given to much power. Hulk never left any younger talnet come up. It was always on him. I didnt agree with the way Russo handled it, but I think it had to be done. When I watch that Russo stuff, he kinda reminds me of the way Paul controlled ECW. I dont know if you were big fans but Paul would go straight to the fans when something happned that wasnt suppose to.

Russo failed because he had no one there to guide him. No one to say, wait! You cant do that. Bischoff fucked up in allowing creative control be tainted by Wrestlers. That was his own downfall. Russo was a great writer for WWE...That is when Vince guided him
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