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| Murray Gold's Music Has Opened My Ears To ...; whole new musical genres | |
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| Marcello Cristiano | Sep 22 2010, 12:10 AM Post #1 |
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Dear All: Thanks to listening to Murray Gold's beautiful music for Doctor Who, I find I have a big interest in classical, orchestral and choral music now. I recently sold all of my Rock CD's(The Beatles, Nirvana, Led Zeppelin, etc.) I've lost interest in rock, and am now loving Beethoven and Mozart, etc. I'm going to have to find a classical music for dummies book to find out what's out there and what's the best, or what will interest me most in terms of classical, orchestral and choral. I also love synthesised music thanks to owning all of the classic series Doctor Who music by the BBC Radiophonic Workshop. So in otherwords I'm now interested in whole new genres of music that will take me beyond rock in terms of the emotional spectrum. I found with a lot of the heavy rock I used to listen to invoked feelings of aggression and party animal wildness that I find I've grown out of. I want to be able to relax when I'm listening to music. I dunno, maybe I'm getting old, but I find Murray Gold's music or scores by other artists like John Williams, Danny Elfman, etc. are more satisfying and fulfilling rather than a cheap 3 or 4 minute payoff with the Rock I listened to. The fullfillment I get from Murray Gold or music similiar is permanently lasting and more emotional in terms of touching upon all of the emotional spectrum rather than just aggression and wildness thru rock. I probably lost in interest in rock because I've listened to it for so long and it's grown stale for me, or maybe I HAVE realised it isn't giving me true fulfillment that scores by Gold, Williams, Elfman, or classical, orchestral, synthesised, and choral are doing. You know an artist like Murray Gold is great when he can just change your musical taste just like that. In the next little while I'll scour second hand shops and the stores like HMV and Sunrise records, Future Shop, Best Buy, etc. for the above mentioned new interests in musical genres CD wise. I look forward to the second half of my life with brand new music to play as my personal soundtrack to my every day goings and doings. THANK GOODNESS FOR MURRAY GOLD!!! P.S. I just deleted my musical favorites in music interests in terms of my Profile on this forum, but I've kept Murray Gold and soon I imagine I'll add whole new ones to keep Murray Gold company.
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"Look at the sky-it's not dark, and black, and without character. The black is in fact deep blue. And over there, lighter blue. And blowing through the blueness and the blackness, the wind swirling through the air-and then, shining, burning, bursting through the stars! Can't you see how they roar their light?Everywhere we look, the complex magic of nature blazes before our eyes." Vincent Van Gogh actor Tony Curran 'Vincent and the Doctor' (2010) | |
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| Marcello Cristiano | Sep 22 2010, 12:14 AM Post #2 |
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I just realised I fudged up the title of my thread! There shouldn't be an "A" before "...." The rest is fine. Anyhow, you get the picture. P.S. I love using the blinking TARDIS icon that our buddy Doomey found and P.A. rearranged. Great FUN!!!
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"Look at the sky-it's not dark, and black, and without character. The black is in fact deep blue. And over there, lighter blue. And blowing through the blueness and the blackness, the wind swirling through the air-and then, shining, burning, bursting through the stars! Can't you see how they roar their light?Everywhere we look, the complex magic of nature blazes before our eyes." Vincent Van Gogh actor Tony Curran 'Vincent and the Doctor' (2010) | |
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| Gold Usher | Sep 24 2010, 01:40 AM Post #3 |
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Marcello, congratuations! Not that I'm knocking rock...but I never listened to it until after I was married in 1976 and then it was the likes of Pink Floyd, Styx, Supertramp etc... In your 'voyage' through what you call classical....may I suggest you start at the beginning to explore the various styles? I've found chronologically following the development will show you a sampling of each different progression of music through time. But a good shortcut is...(as I take off the teacher hat but still hold onto it) go to the roots of it that we have knowlege of. There is no written records of what music was back with the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians etc (though I have heard the trumpet found in King Tut's tomb played) so you might want to start with something familiar to Tom Baker as well....Gregorian chant or plainsong as sometimes called. Limited scale but very deep tonal resonance with the all male voices. After that come ahead to Renaissance time music. English madrigals are especially ear-confounding with varying 'round' singing but pleasing tunes. Remember this is when "Greensleeves" was written. But for organ music ..hit on Buxtehude for a composer. He has some great pieces and predates the Bach family. Do a search for Medieval/Renaissance music on period instruments - French and Spanish are far apart in styling...Spanish sounds almost Arabic at times but then remember who had been inhabiting Spain at that time...the Moors. Then once you turn the corner into the late 1600 and early 1700s you'll start noticing more new instruments are being added, quartets, and quintets are becoming popular instead of the lute, harp and recorder music (more portable instruments) to the more 'settled' orchestras of the many German courts, of course Handel in England, Vivaldi...Scarlatti...all those good names on keyboard and orchestra. JS Bach is going to keep your ears busy but also check out what his kids did too. Watch the progress of Mozart from the fripperies of his childhood on keyboard to the final works when Beethoven started taking the scene. Don't over look Papa Brahms...he had a theme to fit all occasions. You might like the 'surprise symphony' ;) Then just like Van Gogh painted what he saw along the lines of the Impressionists, you can get images from Ravel and Debussy of "Afternoon of the Faun" (to use the English translation) and the other "La Mer" (The Sea) as being considered two of the representative composers for that time period. My personal favorite not many times heard is Mahler's 4th Symphony (but I skip the final vocal section as I don't enjoy opera-like singing unless in English..this will be German) From there it's an easy step to Stravinsky...Firebird Suite, Love for 3 Oranges and 'Rite of Spring' (That had them in the aisles...leaving...as it was so totally alien to their ears --all that crash bang being somewhat discordant after all those Chopin melodies they were used to) Get yourself "Pictures At An Exhibition" for a little relief after Stravinsky. Aaron Copeland is a newer composer to listen to...he didn't really write 'down' to the masses but his music has a tendancy to lend itself to possible use in the movies....not unlike John Williams (or Johnny Williams when he wrote tv themes such as Lost in Space) with his Star Wars or Jaws. Leonard Bernstein..now there's a wide variety. "Candide" "West Side Story" ...standards today. When his "Mass" came out in the mid 1970s that caused a ruckus too... But that falls into the same genre as "Jesus Christ Superstar" and "Godspell" --religion makes it to Broadway. Ok..enough of musical history..but you can't go wrong with picking a year to explore the 'long hair' stuff. Teacher's hat is back on the shelf. |
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| Gold Usher | Sep 24 2010, 01:51 AM Post #4 |
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Which is another reason why I always applauded the BBC Proms with Doctor Who... Get the kids to open their minds to the rich lasting music that's out there. There's a reason why some music has survived since 1350 - it was GOOD! Has real staying power to last 750 years as listenable besides being 'novel'. Ask someone in 10 years who Boy George was and they'll probably go 'who?' Back when I was growing up Leonard Bernstein had his program "Young Listener's Guide to Music' on tv or radio..forget which but he explained the basics and how to focus to enjoy the music. There are many instruments that make up the whole but to listen and follow just one....you see how the notes weave around and contribute. No one instrument has the whole melody, it takes them all to make it. Even as simple as "Peter and the Wolf" to the finale of the "Firebird"...there's alot to hear and 'see'. |
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| Marcello Cristiano | Sep 24 2010, 03:27 AM Post #5 |
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WOW! You really know your stuff, G.U.!!! THANK YOU for all that advice! You are an invaluable source for great music! I'm going to write down on paper the composers you mentioned in your reply and hit the nearest HMV or Sunrise Records, as well second hand shops. Hopefully I will be able to dig out a lot of the artists you mentioned. That Aaron Copeland guy sounds very intriguing. Hopefully the second hand shops will have many of the artists and styles you mentioned so I can buy a bundle of them CD wise! I love all our talks about music on this forum, G.U. You are my music buddy! Mozart and Leonard Bernstein also sound fascinating! I've heard some Mozart when I was younger and very much liked it. My collection thus far includes all of Murray Gold's music, as well as Danny Elfman's Batman and Batman Returns scores, John Williams Greatest Hits 1969-1999, Jaws score, and a Beethoven double CD. Hopefully I will add some Mozart soon, as well as Copeland, Bernstein and some Gregorian chant. Hopefully I will find some of the really old stuff you mentioned as well. THANKS once again, my music buddy!Love, Marcello P.S. BTW, I'm hooked on 'The Song of Freedom' right now by Murray Gold!(on the Doctor Who Series 4 Soundtrack) |
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"Look at the sky-it's not dark, and black, and without character. The black is in fact deep blue. And over there, lighter blue. And blowing through the blueness and the blackness, the wind swirling through the air-and then, shining, burning, bursting through the stars! Can't you see how they roar their light?Everywhere we look, the complex magic of nature blazes before our eyes." Vincent Van Gogh actor Tony Curran 'Vincent and the Doctor' (2010) | |
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| Gold Usher | Sep 24 2010, 05:02 PM Post #6 |
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yep...Song of Freedom. Ear worm alert! Stayed up watching the last two episodes until 1:30 a.m. just to see that part last night. I might have to see if I can isolate a portion of that for a ringtone as I'm not sure if I'm hearing Clockwork Droid on my phone or in my head when I get really tired. |
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| Gold Usher | Sep 24 2010, 07:14 PM Post #7 |
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Save your credits...go to the public library Marcello...you'll be more apt to find a larger cross section of music there than at the record stores. Then there's ....ahem.... (and I didn't say this) that black flagged ship anchored out in the bay... |
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| Polarbear | Sep 24 2010, 11:00 PM Post #8 |
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After you listen to classical for a while, go back and pull out the old rock favorites that had grown stale. You will find that music has surprising commonalities that cross the genres. I prefer to put my collection on shuffle, jumping from the 1920's to the 1990's to the 1800's to the 1960's to the 1940's to...whatever else pops up next. |
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| Marcello Cristiano | Sep 25 2010, 12:51 AM Post #9 |
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THANKS for your advice too, Polarbear! I shall check out some of the golden oldies rock wise after I explore the other music, but I've a feeling I probably won't as I'm sick of rock, unfortunately. I killed rock for myself by playing it too much.I found and bought a Beethoven 2 CD set today: It's called Great Composers: Beethoven. It has on the first CD: Symphony No. 5 in C Minor, Op.67 2nd disc: Symphony No. 6 in F, Op. 68(Pastoral) I found some Mozart, Copeland, and Bernstein today at HMV and Sunrise Records, but sadly they were way too out of my budget for the day as I blew most of my cash on WHO memorabilia today: Doctor Who Magazine # 425(2 copies), Doctor Who IDW Comic book issues # 13, and 15, Doctor Who BBC book 'Nuclear Time'(Matt Smith adventure), Doctor Who BBC book 'Glamour Chase' (Matt Smith), and Doctor Who BBC book 'The King's Dragon' (Matt Smith again), and finally 2 copies of Doctor Who The Visual Dictionary 3rd edition with new (what I like to call) "iPod Daleks" on the cover. I have the first and second editions as well. I also ordered from the in store kiosk an old BBC book with David Tennant and Billie Piper on the cover. It's called 'The Feast of the drowned'. You know me, I'll never stop collecting Who memorabilia! So I will have only a few bills left over here and there for extra stuff like classical music CD's, orchestral, choral, and synthesised. But I'll find a way to collect as much as possible. There's always Torrent. There I go being all secretive! Ssh! Don't tell anyone! Also there's the public library as G.U. as pointed out. Better too listen before I decide what I like and what to buy. P.S. I also need to save my money for TOM BAKER's Demon Quest(all 5 CD's). I'll probably find that in Toronto in the not too distant future at The World's Biggest Bookstore in the downtown area. They had all five CD's of Hornet's Nest, so I'm sure they'll have Demon Quest as well.
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"Look at the sky-it's not dark, and black, and without character. The black is in fact deep blue. And over there, lighter blue. And blowing through the blueness and the blackness, the wind swirling through the air-and then, shining, burning, bursting through the stars! Can't you see how they roar their light?Everywhere we look, the complex magic of nature blazes before our eyes." Vincent Van Gogh actor Tony Curran 'Vincent and the Doctor' (2010) | |
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| Gold Usher | Sep 25 2010, 03:59 AM Post #10 |
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Excellent point about the library...then you can 'preview' and if you really enjoy it, get one for yourself. Saves money that way! If you can't find any English madrigals, check out Medieval Babes. The girls do a cappella and sing a variety of the songs in a updated fashion that will give you the same flavor. One of my favorites is almost a patter song (a rapid singsong speech such as "When I Was A Lad" from HMS Pinafore..). In the woods there grew a tree A fine, fine tree was he On that tree there was a limb And on that limb there was a branch On that branch there was a nest And in that nest there was an egg In that egg there was a bird And from that bird a feather came Of that feather was a bed On that bed there was a girl And on that girl there was a man From that man there was a seed And from that seed there was a boy From that boy there was a man And for that man there was a grave From that grave there grew a tree In Sumerisle, Sumerisle, Sumerisle, Sumerisle, Sumerisle On that tree there was a limb And on that limb there was a branch On that branch there was a nest And in that nest there was an egg In that egg there was a bird And from that bird a feather came Of that feather was a bed In Sumerisle, Sumerisle, Sumerisle, Sumerisle, Sumerisle On that bed there was a girl (Sumerisle, Sumerisle) And on that girl there was a man (Sumerisle, Sumerisle) From that man there was a seed (Sumerisle, Sumerisle) And from that seed there was a boy (Sumerisle, Sumerisle) From that boy there was a man (Sumerisle, Sumerisle) And for that man there was a grave From that grave there grew a tree Here's a link to a site you should see..has lyrics to other of their works too. Sometimes the songs are so rapid, you need to have them to truly hear it. http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Med...8256F190011392C |
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| Marcello Cristiano | Sep 25 2010, 05:31 AM Post #11 |
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FASCINATING! Medival Baebes sound cool! The use of rhyming in that song is wonderful and truly clever. One of the best rhymes I've read in a while! Tomorrow when I get back from one of my hangouts(The Mall ) I'll have to look them up on YouTube. I'm going to bed now. I'll be back tomorrow night. THANKS for the link, G.U.! Anything that comes from the U.K. has got to be great! Gee I wonder why...
P.S. Be sure to check out 'Sherlock', G.U., starring Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman as Holmes and Watson respectively. As I said before Stven Moffat and Mark Gatiss co-created(with the show based on Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's work of course), co-wrote, and co-executive produce the show. Mark Gatiss even stars as Mycroft(Holmes' brother). He of course wrote 'The Unquiet Dead', 'The Idiot's Lantern', 'Victory of the Daleks'(which I think is much better than most people are saying it is. I really enjoyed it! Matt Smith's performance when he's smashing the Dalek with the hammer is spellbinding) Also Gatiss, of course, acted in the episode 'The Lazarus Experiment' as Professor Richard Lazarus. I tell you, Sherlock is one of the best shows I've seen in my life along with classic Who, New Who, Torchwood, and Life On Mars. Benedict Cumberbatch IS THE BEST HOLMES EVER!!! His voice is rich and deep like TOMMY BAKER'S AND JEREMY BRETT. I've absolutely fallen in love with Cumberbatch!!! Moffat and Gatiss found the Holy Grail when they found and casted Benedict Cumberbatch. The DVD is already out in the U.K. and is getting released here in Canada in November. Just check http://www.amazon.com for the U.S. release. Seriously, G.U., you gotta see this show!!! It's Holmes re-invented, more engaging, and made for a whole new generation. Most of all it completely freshens up the legacy of Conan Doyle's Masterpiece!
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| Gold Usher | Sep 29 2010, 03:48 PM Post #12 |
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OK...Marcello.... What's tickled your ears lately? (Just played Season 4 from the Sansa thingie through the computer here at work) |
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| Marcello Cristiano | Sep 29 2010, 04:24 PM Post #13 |
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Definately Vale Decem, Gallifrey: Our Childhood Our Home, Doomsday, Boe, The Doctor's theme series four(not the main theme), Madame de Pompadour, Voyage of the Damned(suite), and of course Song of Freedom. MURRAY GOLD IS THE MAN! I've also been listening to my Beethoven CD alot. I still have to check out Medival Baebes.
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"Look at the sky-it's not dark, and black, and without character. The black is in fact deep blue. And over there, lighter blue. And blowing through the blueness and the blackness, the wind swirling through the air-and then, shining, burning, bursting through the stars! Can't you see how they roar their light?Everywhere we look, the complex magic of nature blazes before our eyes." Vincent Van Gogh actor Tony Curran 'Vincent and the Doctor' (2010) | |
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| Gold Usher | Sep 29 2010, 05:13 PM Post #14 |
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Which Beethoven? There's some concert dvds in the public library ...Deutchgrammaphone put out a few and Kulture as well. You might also want check out "West Side Story" which started life as a musical suite only... the movie came later. Of course we have our own private library of 'stuff' here since not having tv for 4 years next week....Doctor Partner is always adding to it nearly twice daily. Thank God for slim jewelcases! "Runaway Bride" on the speakers as I type. |
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| Marcello Cristiano | Sep 29 2010, 07:17 PM Post #15 |
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Hi G.U.! The Beethoven is Symphony No. 5 in C Minor, Op.67and Symphony No. 6 in F, Op.68 (Pastoral) by the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra with conductor Herbert von Karajan. It's a TIME Life music CD. The copyright is 1988. Runaway Bride is one of my favorite scores by M.G. I love it's loudness! I must find a way to afford to get a BOSE music player as it's perfect for that type of music. The BOSE is small with a very big crystal clear sound. It's like having the orchestra in your room! My stereo just isn't cutting it, although my DVD 5.1 Surround sound player is really very good. Still, would love to have the BOSE. I'm going to see what I can find in the upcoming months. Especially around the holiday season.
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There shouldn't be an "A" before "...." The rest is fine. Anyhow, you get the picture.
THANK YOU for all that advice! You are an invaluable source for great music! I'm going to write down on paper the composers you mentioned in your reply and hit the nearest HMV or Sunrise Records, as well second hand shops. Hopefully I will be able to dig out a lot of the artists you mentioned. That Aaron Copeland guy sounds very intriguing. Hopefully the second hand shops will have many of the artists and styles you mentioned so I can buy a bundle of them CD wise! I love all our talks about music on this forum, G.U. You are my music buddy!
Mozart and Leonard Bernstein also sound fascinating! I've heard some Mozart when I was younger and very much liked it. My collection thus far includes all of Murray Gold's music, as well as Danny Elfman's Batman and Batman Returns scores, John Williams Greatest Hits 1969-1999, Jaws score, and a Beethoven double CD. Hopefully I will add some Mozart soon, as well as Copeland, Bernstein and some Gregorian chant. Hopefully I will find some of the really old stuff you mentioned as well. THANKS once again, my music buddy!
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Medival Baebes sound cool! The use of rhyming in that song is wonderful and truly clever. One of the best rhymes I've read in a while! Tomorrow when I get back from one of my hangouts(The Mall

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