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Transgender suing CrossFit games
Topic Started: Mar 8 2014, 05:52 AM (200 Views)
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Chloie Johnsson, a personal trainer, wants to compete in the CrossFit Games, an effort by the de-centralized fitness company founded by libertarian Greg Glassman to find “the Fittest on Earth.”

Johnsson is transgender and had full sexual reassignment surgery eight years ago. She wanted to compete as a woman. She was told by CrossFit that she would have to compete with the men, and now she’s filing a $2.5 million lawsuit. CNN notes:

Chloie Jonsson, a personal trainer, charges the CrossFit company with discrimination, intentional infliction of emotional distress and unfair competition in a lawsuit filed Thursday in Santa Cruz, California.

While her lawyer calls it a case of discrimination against transgender people, CrossFit's lawyer calls it protecting the competition. …

According to the lawsuit, Jonsson has identified herself as a female since her teenage years and is legally recognized by California as a woman. She had sexual reassignment surgery in 2006 and has been on female hormone therapy, according to her lawsuit.

The lawsuit alleges that a CrossFit teammate of Jonsson's sent an anonymous e-mail to the games organizers asking about transgender athletes in the competition. CrossFit determined that competitors in the event had to compete in the gender of their birth.

The story went around the media with some cherry-picked comments from the letters involved. Dale Saran, CrossFit’s general counsel, has posted links on CrossFit's forums to the full letter sent to CrossFit by Jonnson’s lawyer and his full response to put it all in context. Her letter can be read here and his response here.

In short, even though freedom-friendly CrossFit supports Jonnson’s right to identify herself as a woman and live her life as she chooses, Saran argues, “The fundamental, ineluctable fact is that a male competitor who has a sex reassignment procedure still has a genetic makeup that confers a physical and physiological advantage over women.”

Jonsson’s lawyer told CNN that advantage doesn’t exist anymore:

"(Jonsson) doesn't have an advantage over other women. She's been on estrogen for such a long time," he said about his client.

Hormone replacement therapy for transgender women includes anti-androgen therapy, which nullifies the effects of testosterone to reduce the masculine features of the body. Therapies can also consist of the hormones, estrogen and progesterone to feminize the body.

Saran commented further about their decision on CrossFit’s forums (while also taking a dim view about being lectured about discrimination by her lawyer while at the same time being threatened with legal action):

We're faced with the Hobson's choice of picking one "bin" (male) and now being told that Ms. Jonnson needs 2.5 million dollars for the "harm" of not being put into the category of her choosing - and having that characterized as a "civil right" violation - OR choosing "female" and having other female athlete's complain that they have to compete against someone who had the benefit of growing up with a cascade of hormonal advantages well into adulthood.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/03/07/crossfit-games-sued-for-telling-transgen

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I guess the best way for these kind of things is everyone take a DNA test. Chloie Johnsson would never get to play in the female games, he was born a male, is still a male and will die a male, no matter how much he defaces his body.
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We used to know some fabulous trans sisters in Chicago.

The would address everyone as "Miss Thing" and "Miss Woman".
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When did trannies turn into the touchiest, most professionally thin-skinned people on the planet?
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They want to be like the fish that they think they now are!
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I find the autogynophilic transwomen ("lesbian" transwomen; basically pussy loving straight guys turned on by the idea of becoming what they desire to the point of transtitioning; and unlike the effeminate "gay" transwomen, often retain very stereotypical dominant competitive hetero male psychologies, interests and pursuits such as combat sports, engineering, elite science, military etc ) a bit creepy.

I hate that I feel that way. No doubt that's the way many of even our most accepting allies felt about us 30 years ago.

Therefore I'm reading more about the subject to get past this. But there's so much dissension, division and hatred between the different trans* groups (many between the "lesbian"
ones that assumed the rolls of gatekeepers and run the theoretical show) that I'm finding it hard to empathise. The constant ill tempered oversensitivity doesn't help matters. Especially as the offence is often not born from malice so much as confusion and a genuine attempt to understand.
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^please excuse that incomprehensible mess, spelling mistakes and all
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All of our trans sisters HATED fish with a passia!
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Mrs Patrick Campbell
Mar 9 2014, 05:42 AM
All of our trans sisters HATED fish with a passia!
I believe the majority of transwomen are of the sushi eating variety. Or at least enjoy fish AND foul.

Indeed many such types initially lie and hide this fact from their trickcyclists. Apparently there's far more of a stigma for a heterosexual male going this route where it can be viewed as a particularly unnecessary fetishism and less worthy of sympathy than a "homosexual" attractracted transitioner.

It's telling that the heterosexual identified autogynophilic trans will often though reluctantly acknowledge the onset these feelings of gender disphoria was around around puberty and involved getting sexual pleasure in transvestism; whereas homo-identified transwomen (one school of thought says its in reality an extreme form of displaced gayness) say they felt like a girl or other than male from as early as a toddler (ie prior to any sexual awakening) and never engaged in cross dressing for any other reason than the fun of dressing up; certainly never out of sexual fetish. All this I've learned from reading trans community blogs and message boards. Although it should be stated that the autogynophilia idea is just one strand thinking in the community, a controversial one, and the cause of the most violent disputes within the (female -attracted/autogynophilia dominated) transgender movement. And it's self evidently the best explanation for it as far as I can see.
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Our favorite trans sister, Barbara, who HATED fish, did once comment to us that most trans sisters become Lesbyterians!

Go figure!
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Mar 8 2014, 09:56 AM
When did trannies turn into the touchiest, most professionally thin-skinned people on the planet?
EXACTLY!
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