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A transgender teen used the girls’ locker room. Now her community is up in arms.
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A transgender teen used the girls’ locker room. Now her community is up in arms.

When Caitlyn Jenner took to television in April to announce she was transgender, messages of support poured in from across the country. She was featured on the cover of Vanity Fair and received an ESPY award for courage.

But even as Jenner starred in a reality TV docu-series about her transition, a deeper question remained.

If Jenner weren’t already a rich celebrity, would she have received the same support? How would other, less famous transgender Americans be treated?

On Monday morning, a small town in Missouri provided an answer.

For two hours, approximately 150 students stood in front of Hillsboro High School to protest a transgender teen’s use of the girls’ facilities.

And for those same two hours, the 17-year-old transgender teen huddled inside her counselor’s office — with the door locked.

“I was concerned about my own safety,” Lila Perry told the New York Times.

It’s not just her fellow students that are upset over Perry’s use of the girls’ bathroom and locker room. The issue has roiled this town, thrusting a quaint community of about 3,000 into the national spotlight. Last week, a school board meeting had to be moved after too many people attended to discuss Perry. And on Monday afternoon, the protesting students — who comprised about 13 percent of the school — were joined by angry adults.

“This needs to stop before it goes too far,” Jeff Childs, who has a niece and a nephew in the Hillsboro School System, told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. He and his 21-year-old son showed up to the school with “Girls Rights Matter” painted on the sides and back of his pickup truck.

“I’m not trying to be ignorant, but [the transgender student] is bringing it out in public for everybody else to deal with,” Childs said.

The controversy suggests that in some American communities, the debate over transgender rights lags behind the messages contained in glossy magazine spreads.

Here, in the heartland, life as a transgender American remains hard, to say the least.

For Perry, her personal struggle began as soon as she could call herself a teenager. At age 13, Perry began to feel “more like a girl than a boy,” she told the Times.

By the middle of last year, her junior year at Hillsboro High, Perry was ready to come out as transgender. She was tired of pretending to be someone she wasn’t, she told the Post-Dispatch. She began wearing a wig, dresses and women’s makeup, although she has not had gender reassignment surgery.

When school began on Aug. 13, Perry told school administrators that she wanted to use the girls’ bathroom and locker room, instead of the unisex bathroom she had used as a junior.

The school consented, in accordance with guidelines from the U.S. Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights that say students should be allowed to use facilities in accordance with their gender identification.

So far this year, Perry has been using the girls’ bathroom and locker room, according to local TV station KTVI.

That simple act set off a firestorm of controversy.

Nearly 200 people showed up to an Aug. 27 school board meeting, forcing it to be moved to a bigger venue. Although Perry’s gender wasn’t on the agenda, many parents used the meeting to complain about the school’s decision.

“The way I was raised, I have no problem with a transgender, but he shouldn’t be in the women’s locker room until he has the surgery,” said parent Greg Wilson, according to local news Web site the Leader.

“The girls have rights, and they shouldn’t have to share a bathroom with a boy,” Tammy Sorden, who has a son at Hillsboro High, told the Post-Dispatch. Lila should not get special treatment, Sorden said, “while the girls just have to suck it up.”

Derrick Good, a local lawyer with two daughters in the school district, has led the opposition to Perry’s use of girls’ facilities. He got involved after hearing that a female student had encountered “an intact male” in the girls’ locker room, he told the Times.

But Perry said she was tired of being “segregated” because of being transgender.

“With using the staff bathroom, I felt like I was being segregated off, like: ‘Here are the boys, here are the girls, this is me,'” she told the TV station. “And I wanted to help blend in with all the other girls.”

“I wasn’t hurting anyone,” she told the Post-Dispatch. “I am a girl. I am not going to be pushed away to another bathroom.”

That issue came to a boil on Monday morning, when students walked out of class in protest and Lila locked herself inside her counselor’s office in fear.

Students and parents polled after the walkout were “overwhelmingly in support of keeping Lila… out of the school facilities for girls,” the Post-Dispatch reported.

A small group of Perry’s friends came out to support her, however.

“She is such a good person. They are just judging her on the outside,” Perry’s best friend, Skyla Thompson, told the Post-Dispatch.

“She is choosing her life to better herself, to better accept herself,” echoed another friend, Gianna Warfel. “I don’t know what there is to discriminate about that. I really support the bravery she has.”

Since the controversy started, Perry has dropped out of her physical education class to avoid using the locker room altogether, she told the newspaper. She now also tries to avoid using the bathroom at her high school: a difficult task for a teenage girl.

For many in this Missouri town, that’s the way it should be.

“There is nothing wrong with being different,” Britney Heimos, a Hillsboro graduate who was stopping by the school to pick up her younger brother, told the Post-Dispatch. “But when you are different, there are sacrifices.”

But how long should those sacrifices last? And how deeply should they disrupt the life of a teen who isn’t lucky enough to live elsewhere, or to be celebrity?

“I’m hoping this dies down,” Perry told the Times. “I don’t want my entire senior year to be like this.”

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-transgender-teen-used-the-girls%E2%80%99-locker-room-now-her-community-is-up-in-arms/ar-AAdSn1R
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I didn't read that ridiculously long article, but I would like to know if this kid is pre-op or post-op? If he/she is post-op does she still have a penis? If she is pre-op then IMO he's just a drag queen. If he's post op, with no penis or testicles then for all intents and purposes she's a female now and they should let her use the girl's restroom. If she's post op still with a penis/testes, she is still a he IMO and should not be allowed to use the girl's facilities.
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Sep 2 2015, 02:51 PM
I didn't read that ridiculously long article, but I would like to know if this kid is pre-op or post-op? If he/she is post-op does she still have a penis? If she is pre-op then IMO he's just a drag queen. If he's post op, with no penis or testicles then for all intents and purposes she's a female now and they should let her use the girl's restroom. If she's post op still with a penis/testes, she is still a he IMO and should not be allowed to use the girl's facilities.
The kid is pre-op but wearing a dress, makeup, etc.

Not sure if he/she is on hormones?

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He looks like a kid at one of those "boys go as girls/girls go as boys" parties, who didn't work too hard to look like a girl.
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I'm sick of Gender Dysphoria being treated like it is a legitimate physical medical issue. It's a mental illness.People who have it need serious mental help, not sent off to get their genitals mutilated by doctors to fit some skewed vision in their heads. This kid needs a psychologist and a wig intervention.
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In one photo of her in a skirt it appears that she is going commando and from an outline/bulge substantial sizemeat is evident!
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Sep 2 2015, 09:44 PM
I'm sick of Gender Dysphoria being treated like it is a legitimate physical medical issue. It's a mental illness.People who have it need serious mental help, not sent off to get their genitals mutilated by doctors to fit some skewed vision in their heads. This kid needs a psychologist and a wig intervention.
True. Not everyone that thinks they are trans winds up being trans.

A friend of mine when he was 21 thought he was trans and gay; but after a lot of introspection and seeing a therapist who specializes in gender/sexuality issues he discovered he's bisexual but just androgynous, has low testosterone, and probably would look passable as a woman in drag but he has no desire to get a sex change operation, or transition at all.
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Sagi Musume
Sep 2 2015, 09:44 PM
I'm sick of Gender Dysphoria being treated like it is a legitimate physical medical issue. It's a mental illness.People who have it need serious mental help, not sent off to get their genitals mutilated by doctors to fit some skewed vision in their heads. This kid needs a psychologist and a wig intervention.
True. Not everyone that thinks they are trans winds up being trans.

A friend of mine when he was 21 thought he was trans and gay; but after a lot of introspection and seeing a therapist who specializes in gender/sexuality issues he discovered he's bisexual but just androgynous, has low testosterone, and probably would look passable as a woman in drag but he has no desire to get a sex change operation, or transition at all.
Glad your friend sought help through the proper channels, was able to over come his issues, and keep away from the knife! He must have an amazing support system of family and friends. Now days, in seems to be the newest by proxy way to abuse your kids and get away with it. It's scary the number of parents who want to force their children into the pigeon hole of transgender. They try to get them on hormones from and early age, no telling the damage it may do to developing minds and bodies. Dress them as the opposite sex as a way to get attention and getting to be outraged and feel special. Fuck them. I'm glad my parents didn't encourage me to become the opposite sex because I played with my brothers toys, wore boys clothes, and wanted to do male oriented activities. Turned out, I just really identified with my male family members.

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I agree that in many cases the parents are the root cause of some of these kid's problems. If God was real lots of people who produce children would be born sterile. I hate to say it, but after 62 years of dealing with people I think maybe 2 out of every 10 adults I've known who produced children did a decent job raising them.
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If I was described on paper knowing I'm female, One would assume I was a masculine lesbian. When in reality Im visually attracted to men and their behaviors but I have no real desire or want for sex, or reproduction. I have no lesbian yearnings either. Vaginas are pretty dang gross in my opinion. I'm happy just having long term male partnerships. Perhaps this is why in my younger days I was the go to beard for my conservative social group who are still in the closet. I'm 37 now, and am married to man who is like me in respect that he is visually attractived to women but has no sexual impulses. I guess this makes me a straight asexual. In this day in age I'd be transgender in denial...
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update.

Trans student drops class after 200 protest for and against her

Posted 5:16 pm, August 31, 2015, by Roche Madden, Updated at 06:48pm, August 31, 2015

HILLSBORO, MO (KTVI) - Students staged a walk-out even though a transgender student at Hillsboro High School has decided to drop out of P.E. class and quit changing in the girl's locker room. It is an issue that educators across the country are dealing with.

Students walked out for almost two hours. Some against what the transgender student has been doing, others supporting her. Lila Perry was sequestered in a school office during the walkout. She feels like what`s she`s doing is important.

"It wasn`t too long ago white people were saying I don`t feel comfortable sharing a bathroom with a black person and history repeats itself." said Lila Perry.

Close to 200 students used their right of free speech to express both displeasure and support of Lila Perry. She is a transgender student, who until recently, has been changing for P.E. class in the girls bathroom even though she is still physically male.

Jeff Childs, a parent of two school age children, drove from farming to have his voice heard on a Hillsboro street corner. "I feel these girls have a right to their own privacy. Without the privacy they have nothing."

The issue attracted a huge turnout at last week`s school board meeting.

"I find it offensive because Lila has not went through any procedure to become female, putting on a dress and putting on a wig is not transgender to me." said student Sophie Beel.

"I think this is pure and simple bigotry I think they are using their claim they are uncomfortable, to target me a transgender woman." said transgender student Lila Perry.

"She is a human and she has human rights as everyone else." said student Hayley Reezes.

Perry says she dropped P.E. because she didn't feel comfortable with the other girls and she was concerned about her safety. However, Lila Perry says she gives the school administration a 9 on a 1-10 scale for making her feel safe, welcomed and loved.

School officials issued a statement that says they will promote tolerance and the district accepts all students regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

As for the students right to free speech, it was limited. Any of them out of class for more than two hours could face an in school suspension.

http://fox2now.com/2015/08/31/trans-student-drops-class-after-200-classmates-protest/
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Sep 2 2015, 09:44 PM
I'm sick of Gender Dysphoria being treated like it is a legitimate physical medical issue. It's a mental illness.People who have it need serious mental help, not sent off to get their genitals mutilated by doctors to fit some skewed vision in their heads. This kid needs a psychologist and a wig intervention.
Well said.

I'm sure these terms just confuse people even more.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/15/the-complete-glossary-of-facebook-s-51-gender-options.html

Agender - Someone who does not identify with any sort of gender identity. This term may also be used by someone who intentionally has no recognizable gender presentation. Some people use similar terms such as “genderless” and “gender neutral”.

Androgyne/Androgynous - someone who neither identifies with, nor presents as, a man or woman. Being “androgynous” can refer to having both masculine and feminine qualities. This term has Latin roots: Andro- meaning “man” and -gyne, meaning “woman.” Some androgynes may identity as “gender benders”, meaning that they are intentionally “bending” (or challenging/transgressing) societal gender roles.

Bigender- someone who identifies as both a man and a woman. A Bigender identity is a combination of these two genders, but not necessarily a 50/50 combination, as these genders are often felt – and expressed - fully. Similar to individuals who identify as gender fluid, bigender people may present as men, as women, or as gender-neutral ways on different days.

Cis- all of these terms capture that a person is not trans or does not have a gender diverse identity or presentation.

Cis Female (see also Cis Woman, Cisgender Female, Cisgender Woman); a female who identifies as a woman/has a feminine gender identity.

Cis Male (see also Cis Man, Cisgender Male, Cisgender Man); a male who identifies as a man/has a masculine gender identity.

Cis Man (see Cis Male)

Cis Woman (see Cis Female)

Cisgender: A person who has the gender identity commonly associated with their biological sex (e.g., someone who is assigned as a female at birth and who lives as a woman).

Cisgender Female (see Cis Female)

Cisgender Male (see Cis Male)

Cisgender Man (see Cis Male)

Cisgender Woman (see Cis Female)

Female to Male/ FTM- a trans person who was assigned female sex, and now lives as a man and has a masculine gender identity. This person may or may not have altered his physical body with surgery, hormones, or other modifications (e.g., voice training to develop a deeper spoken voice). FTM is an abbreviation of female to male. Generally uses masculine pronouns (e.g., “he” or “his”) or gender neutral pronouns.

Gender Fluid- someone whose gender identity and presentation are not confined to only one gender category. Gender fluid people may have dynamic or fluctuating understandings of their gender, moving between categories as feels right. For example, a gender fluid person might feel more like a man one day and more like a woman on another day, or that neither term is a good fit.

Gender Nonconforming- Someone who looks and/or behaves in ways that don’t conform to, or are atypical of, society’s expectations of how a person of that gender should look or behave. (See also this excellent article by Dr. Eric Grollman about gender conformity & gender non-conformity).

Gender Questioning- Someone who may be questioning their gender or gender identity, and/or considering other ways of experiencing or expressing their gender or gender presentation.

Gender Variant- an umbrella term that refers to anyone who, for any reason, does not have a cisgender identity (which includes the trans* umbrella). Others acknowledge issues with this term as it implies that such genders are “deviations” from a standard gender, and reinforces the “naturalness” of the two-gender system. Some prefer the terms “gender diverse” or “gender-nonconforming.”

Genderqueer- Someone who identifies outside of, or wishes to challenge, the two-gender (i.e., man/woman) system; may identify as multiple genders, a combination of genders, or “between” genders. People who use this term may feel that they are reclaiming the word “queer”, which has historically been used as a slur against gay men and women. This term is used more often by younger generations doing the “reclaiming” and less often by slightly older generations who may have personally experienced the term “queer” as a slur.

Intersex- Generally refers to someone whose chromosomes, gonads (i.e., ovaries or testes), hormonal profiles, and anatomy do not conform to the expected configurations of either male typical or female typical bodies. Some intersex conditions are apparent at birth, while others are noticed around puberty or later (if ever). Some individuals no longer use the term “intersex conditions” and instead prefer “disorders of sex development.” (See ISNA.org.)

Male to Female/MTF- a trans person who was assigned male sex (likely at birth), and now lives as a woman and has a feminine gender identity. This person may or may not have altered her physical body with surgery, hormones, or other modification (e.g., voice training, electrolysis, etc). MTF is an abbreviation of “Male To Female”. Generally uses female pronouns (e.g., “she” or “her”) or gender neutral pronouns.

Neither- Not putting a label on one’s gender.

Neutrois- An umbrella term within the bigger umbrella terms of transgender or genderqueer. Includes people who do not identify within the binary gender system (i.e., man/woman). According to Neutrois.com, some common Neutrois identities include agender neither-gender, and gender-less.

Non-binary- Similar to genderqueer, this is a way of describing one’s gender as outside the two-gender (i.e., man/woman) system and/or challenging that system.

Other- Choosing to not provide a commonly recognized label to one’s gender. When used by someone to describe themselves, this may feel like a freeing way of describing (or not specifically describing) their gender. The term “other” should not be used to refer to people whose gender you can’t quite understand or place.

Pangender- “Pan” means every, or all, and this is another identity label such like genderqueer or neutrois that challenges binary gender and is inclusive of gender diverse people.

Transgender- an umbrella term that includes all people who have genders not traditionally associated with their assigned sex. People who identify as transgender may or may not have altered their bodies through surgery and/or hormones. Some examples:

Trans Man (see FTM above); Although some people write the term as “transman” (no space between trans and man) or trans-man (note the hyphen), some advocate for a space to be included between “trans” and “man” in order to indicate that the person is a man and that the “trans” part may not be a defining characteristic or central to his identity.

Trans Woman (see MTF above) Although some people write the term as “transwoman” (no space between trans and woman) or trans-woman (note the hyphen), some advocate for a space to be included between “trans” and “woman” in order to indicate that the person is a woman and that the “trans” part may not be a defining characteristic or central to her identity.

Trans Female (see MTF above)

Trans Male (see FTM above)

Trans Person (see transgender above); another way of saying someone is a transgender person. (Note that “transgender” tends to be preferred over “transgendered”).

Trans* is an inclusive term, referring to the many ways one can transcend or even transgress gender or gender norms (e.g., it includes individuals who may identify as transgender, transsexual, gender diverse, etc). In many cases the asterisk (*) is not followed by a sex or gender term – it’s just written as Trans* - to indicate that not all trans people identify with an established sex or gender label. Another option is to write it as:

Trans*Person (see transgender above)

Other times, a sex or gender label may be used:

Trans*Female (see MTF)

Trans*Male (see FTM)

Trans*Man (see FTM)

Trans*Woman (see MTF)

Transsexual person - For many people this term indicates that a person has made lasting changes to their physical body, specifically their sexual anatomy (e.g., genitals and/or breasts or chest), through surgery. For some, the term “transsexual” is a problematic term because of its history of pathology or association with a psychological disorder. In order to get the operations necessary for sexual reassignment surgeries or gender confirming surgeries, people long needed a psychiatric diagnosis (historically, that diagnosis was “transsexualism”) and recommendations from mental health professionals. The term “transsexual” tends to be used less often by younger generations of trans persons.

Transsexual Woman – Someone who was assigned male sex at birth who has most likely transitioned (such as through surgery and/or hormones) to living as a woman.

Transsexual Man- Someone who was assigned female at birth who has most likely transitioned (such as through surgery and/or hormones) to living as a man.

Transsexual Female (see Transsexual Woman)

Transsexual Male (see Transsexual Man)

Transgender is an umbrella term which includes all people who have genders not traditionally associated with their sex at birth. Transgender person can also be used. This may (but does not necessarily) include:

Transgender Female (see MTF)

Transgender Male (see FTM)

Transgender Man (see FTM)
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Maybe I'm on the wrong side on this topic, but IMO if you have a penis & testicles you're a male, whether you dress like one or not, and you should use the boy's facilities. If you have that equipment removed and a vagina (or facsimile thereof) installed, then you can start using the girl's facilities.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=14&v=urwnrnHexmM
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Seems none of those Southpark YouTubes will imbed properly. They must have some setting the uploader can choose to prevent it.
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http://southpark.cc.com/full-episodes/s18e03-the-cissy
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