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Food Stamp welfare fraud
Topic Started: Jul 21 2013, 10:12 AM (1,146 Views)
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NY food stamp recipients are shipping welfare-funded groceries to relatives in Jamaica, Dominican Republic and Haiti

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BIN OVER THEIR HEADS: Pioneer Supermarket in Brooklyn sells plastic barrels that customers use to ship food to family members in the Caribbean.

A spokeswoman for the US Department of Agriculture’s Food and Nutrition Service said welfare benefits are reserved for households that buy and prepare food together. She said states should intervene if people are caught shipping nonperishables abroad.

Michael Tanner, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute, called it just another example of welfare abuse.

“I don’t want food-stamp police to see what people do with their rice and beans, but it’s wrong,” Tanner told The Post. “The purpose of this program is to help Americans who don’t have enough to eat. This is not intended as a form of foreign aid.”

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Yep. It's poor people on welfare ruining the country.

Keep repeating the story, get middle class racists riled up, and continue to ignore the real evil.

Fucking moron.
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What's the problem PPSM, someone's shipping the containers to you and you might get cut off?
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Poor people have to take drastic measures to take care of their own. If I had relatives in another country who were hungry I'd do whatever it took to help them out. I seriously doubt the amount of food purchased in the USA with food stamps that is shipped outside the country amounts to much out of the federal budget. Shipping one of those loaded barrels to Haiti would cost a pretty penny and I doubt the people doing the shipping are well off enough to ship too many of them. Let's talk about all the billions in pork barrel projects congress funds every year. I think it's more important to get that under control than worrying about stopping folks from shipping a barrel of dry goods to Haiti.
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It has been proven that most people that need food stamps run out after 3 weeks. It would be safe to say that anyone that could fill up a container that large is a welfare cheat or a shop lifter, maybe both.
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Jul 21 2013, 10:50 AM
What's the problem PPSM, someone's shipping the containers to you and you might get cut off?
Yes. The meme that I'm poor and on welfare is perfectly believable.

But thank you for proving my point. Most of you not only bitch constantly about the poor, but you use the accusation that someone is poor as the ultimate insult.

All the while, the mega-rich continue to rape us of what little we do have, and we're too busy knocking eachother down to notice or care.
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PPSM is absolutely correct on this. The entirety of the cost of welfare fraud shipped overseas probably doesn't even equal the amount of cash one mega corporation ships overseas to avoid paying taxes. And hundreds of corporations/banks do it.

Yet the welfare people are dark skinned, so they become the target of your ire.

I'm all for welfare reform but priorities are out of whack here.
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In a free society there is no welfare or free government handouts for anyone - or any business - under any circumstances.

Consequently taxes would be very very low and government quite small.
Edited by Erna, Jul 21 2013, 01:53 PM.
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In that case the Bermudas would be the freest society in the world.
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Jul 21 2013, 11:45 AM
In a free society there is no welfare or free government handouts for anyone - or any thing - under any circumstances.

Consequently taxes would be very very low and government quite small.
How'd that work out for Somalia?
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In a free society there is no welfare or free government handouts for anyone - or any thing - under any circumstances.

Consequently taxes would be very very low and government quite small.
How'd that work out for Somalia?
Don't try introducing reason to Libertarians, dear.

It gives them nosebleeds.
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By Benjamin Yount | Illinois Watchdog

SPRINGFIELD — Since Illinois has seen an explosion in the number of people receiving food stamps, even a slight error costs taxpayers millions.

In this instance, a mistake rate of less than 2 percent means $50 million is misspent.

That’s the hard truth behind the press release lauding Illinois for having a 98.3 percent accuracy rate for its Supplemental Nutritional Assistance Program.

Illinois’ error rate, from either overspending on food stamps or not spending enough, is 1.74 percent, according to Januari Smith, a spokeswoman for the state’s Department of Human Services.

Just more than 2 million people in the state, or 16 percent of the population, are enrolled in the federally managed SNAP. Washington D.C,. sent Illinois $3 billion for SNAP last year.
FOOD STAMP BOOM: Dabrowksi says IL has seen food stamp rolls grow by double digits.

FOOD STAMP BOOM: Dabrowksi says IL has seen food stamp rolls grow by double digits.

The numbers: 1.74 percent of $3 billion is $52 million. That’s a lot of taxpayer waste.

“The more people you add and the bigger the program gets, the more cumbersome it gets. The more difficult it gets to manage. And you have money being given away that shouldn’t be given away,” said Ted Dabrowski, vice President of policy for the Illinois Policy Institute.

Dabrowksi said Illinois saw its food stamp population jump 11.5 percent last year.

Smith said the increase in the number of families receiving food stamps can be blamed on the economy, and admits the program is becoming difficult for the state’s bureaucracy to manage.

DHS had 1,870 case workers handling 1.75 million cases last December, compared to 2,000 workers handling about 1 million cases in 2006, Smith said.
METEORIC RISE: Food stamp enrollment across the country has exploded.

METEORIC RISE: Food stamp enrollment across the country has exploded.

The food stamp rolls have also seen a significant national rise. Since 2011, nearly 2 million more people have signed up for food stamps each year.

Figures from the U.S. Department of Agriculture show that 47.6 million people Americans receive some type of food stamp assistance. The average payout per person is about $133 dollars a month. The average payout per family is about $275 dollars a month.

Dabrowksi said Illinois is the “middle of the pack” nationally in total recipients, but noted the state was second in the nation in food stamp growth last year.

“We had a growth of 11.5 percent of the number of people on food stamps,” Dabrowksi said. “Only Wyoming was worse.”

Dabrowksi said Illinois needs to add more jobs to get more people off food stamps.

By growing the economy, more people can get away from government programs and allow the state to help those who truly need help, he said.

Illinois is being awarded $4 million by the USDA as recognition of it 98 percent accuracy rate. Smith said she doesn’t know how Illinois will spend that money.

Reach Benjamin Yount at Ben@IllinoisWatchdog.org and find him on Twitter @BenYount.

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If each state misspends 50 mil, it totals 2 billion 600 million and each state is rewarded 4 million that's 200 million more added to the total. Now this is just food stamp fraud, it is mind boggling how much money is being wasted. Many of you sound like your making money off of peoples misery. Well the misery is going to get much worse as the thirty cities like Detroit and want to go bankrupt. As peoples pensions are cut, those people will have to get some welfare programs, the money isn't endless.
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Jul 21 2013, 11:59 AM
In that case the Bermudas would be the freest society in the world.
From what we have heard, it very possibly is!
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In a free society there is no welfare or free government handouts for anyone - or any thing - under any circumstances.

Consequently taxes would be very very low and government quite small.
How'd that work out for Somalia?
Since you must know all about it from your visit there, please tell us about it.
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In a free society there is no welfare or free government handouts for anyone - or any thing - under any circumstances.

Consequently taxes would be very very low and government quite small.
How'd that work out for Somalia?
Since you must know all about it from your visit there, please tell us about it.
Weak, MPC. You can do much better than that.
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It is commendable that there are impoverished people in the US who are milking out their food stamps in order to send food to their equally impoverished relatives overseas.

Such a thing is not welfare fraud at all.
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Jul 21 2013, 04:29 PM
It is commendable that there are impoverished people in the US who are milking out their food stamps in order to send food to their equally impoverished relatives overseas.

Such a thing is not welfare fraud at all.
Oh my! Someone with compassion!

That won't do here at all, Liz. Not at all!

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CARIB CONNECTION: A man named Jean in the Dominican city of Santiago last week sells a barrel shipped from NYC and stuffed with welfare food — part of a thriving black market.

Food-stamp fraud in New York has turned into foreign aid — to black-market profiteers in the Dominican Republic.

Last week, The Post revealed how New Yorkers on welfare are buying food with their benefit cards and shipping it in blue barrels to poor relatives in the Caribbean.

But not everyone is giving the taxpayer-funded fare to starving children abroad. The Post last week found two people hawking barrels of American products for a profit on the streets of Santiago.

“It’s a really easy way to make money, and it doesn’t cost me anything,” a seller named Maria-Teresa said Friday.

The 47-year-old Bronx native told The Post she scalps barrels of Frosted Flakes and baby formula bought with welfare money in the United States.

Maria-Teresa said she gets new barrels every few weeks from her sister, who buys everything at a Western Beef on Prospect Avenue near East 165th Street in Foxhurst.

The scamming sibling pays $75 per barrel to transport the items to the DR through Mott Haven’s Luciano Shipping. Sometimes the family fraudsters take advantage of a special: three barrels for the price of two.

Maria-Teresa said she uses some of the products but vends the rest out of her Santiago home, providing markdowns of $1 to $2 compared to what her buyers would pay in local shops.

“I don’t know how much of a business it is, but I know a lot of people are doing it,” she said.

The black-market maven even takes her customers’ requests for hot-ticket items. Her best-sellers include a 19-ounce box of Frosted Flakes, which goes for $6.50 at Dominican supermarkets. She sells it for $2 less — after her sister buys it on sale for $2.99.

But because the sister uses her Electronic Benefit Transfer card, she actually pays nothing — taxpayers foot the $2.99.

Maria-Teresa also offers a 24-ounce Kellogg’s Corn Flakes box for $2, compared to the $4 Dominican counterpart. The Kellogg’s variety costs $2.99 on sale at Western Beef.

A 23-ounce container of powdered Enfamil baby formula goes for $25 in the United States and $19 in Santiago but Maria-Teresa sells it for $15. “People want the best quality for the price, so they buy the formula made in the US,” she said.

The average monthly wage in Dominican Republic is about 7,000 pesos, or just $167, and that’s why the black market has become so profitable, Maria-Teresa said.

And the food-stamp fraud doesn’t stop there. She said her sister has Bronx grocers ring up bogus $250 transactions with her EBT card.

In exchange, the stores hand her $200 cash and pocket the rest. No goods are exchanged. Instead, Maria-Teresa’s sister sends the money to Santiago — when she’s not spending it on liquor or other nonfood items.

“We do it all the time, and a lot of people do this,” Maria-Teresa said. “It’s a way of laundering money, but it’s easier because it’s free.”

Jean, another public-assistance cheat in Santiago, told The Post he has peddled welfare food in Santiago since getting deported from New York in 2010.

A thirtysomething Haitian national, he said his sister in Queens uses her EBT card to purchase food before shipping it to him from Long Island City.

“Every other month, I receive the barrels from my sister in New York City,” he told The Post. “Whatever I don’t need, I sell.

“My sister uses food stamps to buy most of the things she sends me,” Jean added. He says the barrels are filled with cereal, baby formula, juices, olive oil and canned soup.

He said his sister uses Long Island City’s Santiago Cargo Express, where barrels full of food cost $100 to ship to the DR.

When The Post found Jean, he was lugging an empty barrel down the street and hoping to sell it to a friend for $35. Many Dominicans then use the containers to store water for their homes.

kbriquelet@nypost.com

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/isle_take_that_welfare_scam_VBsTspIxia2GA9o2oS505L
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This is a picture of one guy with one barrel. When there is proof that large #'s of people outside the U.S. are receiving and selling food purchased with EBT cards in America I'll say something needs to be done about it. I doubt that proof will ever appear, until the Dept. of Faux Gov't. Propaganda at Fox News manufactures it.
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If the number in the photo of r18 has the same size 'equipment' that his photo promises then he could be making $200 per hour instead of rummaging in garbage cans
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So this Maria-Theresa is a Bronx native who now lives in the Dominican Republic, and she, along with Jean, both knew the exact address of the stores helping to commit fraud, and gave that information willingly to a reporter. She also willingly told the reporter that they were laundering money. Also, they're selling this American food stamp food at a huge markdown, and yet make enough money to cover the shipping of $100 plus the cost of the food itself, and turn a huge profit.

Sure, sounds totally legit.
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Tybee and other reasonable posters:

I am opposed to censoring, deleting, and blocking like some other site I could mention, but you do realize a common theme cropping up here. Right? Some racist FFC is posting a bunch of links about criminals who happen to be Black.

It isn't random...
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In a free society there is no welfare or free government handouts for anyone - or any thing - under any circumstances.

Consequently taxes would be very very low and government quite small.
How'd that work out for Somalia?
The problem with Somalia is that it's full of Somalians.
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Anytime there is 'free' (!?) money being handed out by the government there is fraud, usually 99% of it.
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Yes. The elderly people and young children who take up a huge chunk of welfare are such scammers.
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I think if there are children or elderly who are eligible for aid due to their caretaker's situation, then they should be removed from that home and placed in foster or other care while receiving this aid. That way, you prevent caretakers from living off them. i.e. having more and more kids just to get more Welfare/Food Stamps/Section 8 housing. These people are growing kids like livestock.
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People who get get all up in arms about millions of dollars spent on health or food, yet stay mute in the face of billions of dollars squandered by our military/intelligence machine, are what is wrong with America.
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Yes. The elderly people and young children who take up a huge chunk of welfare are such scammers.
How many young children and elderly do you know personally that are getting free handouts, other than socialistic insecurity checks?

If not,the STFU
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People who get get all up in arms about millions of dollars spent on health or food, yet stay mute in the face of billions of dollars squandered by our military/intelligence machine, are what is wrong with America.
We are equally upset at the billions wasted on the MIC for global genocide as we are at billions wasted on socialism. Both are totally evil and create a slave state to pay for it.
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Both are totally evil and create a slave state to pay for it.
Yes, spending money to feed and care for people is just as "evil" as spending money to kill other people.

You are such a nuanced philosopher, MPC.
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Yes. The elderly people and young children who take up a huge chunk of welfare are such scammers.
Direct payments to individuals is the problem. We need to consolidate all these poor people and put them in camps.
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Both are totally evil and create a slave state to pay for it.
Yes, spending money to feed and care for people is just as "evil" as spending money to kill other people.

You are such a nuanced philosopher, MPC.
Why do so many people need to be fed and cared for? A good percentage of these people need to stop sucking on the public tit and engage their survival instinct.
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Both are totally evil and create a slave state to pay for it.
Yes, spending money to feed and care for people is just as "evil" as spending money to kill other people.

You are such a nuanced philosopher, MPC.
Why do so many people need to be fed and cared for? A good percentage of these people need to stop sucking on the public tit and engage their survival instinct.
Because corporate America has done such a good job of providing employment in the US, adequate healthcare, and livable wages.
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Why do so many people need to be fed and cared for? A good percentage of these people need to stop sucking on the public tit and engage their survival instinct.
Your stinginess is so vicious, it transcends selfishness to become moral turpitude.
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Tybee and other reasonable posters:

I am opposed to censoring, deleting, and blocking like some other site I could mention, but you do realize a common theme cropping up here. Right? Some racist FFC is posting a bunch of links about criminals who happen to be Black.

It isn't random...
It may seem like an influx of right wing posters have suddenly appeared, but in reality there are only 2-3 conservative posters on this board and at least 2 of them are very infrequent posters.

I'll just say this. I may want everyone to be able to have their say, but I will keep a close watch on the postings and if and when I detect the deck is being stacked in favor of right wing conservatism all bets will be off. This is not and never will be a conservative leaning, or republican leaning board. Most of us here are yellow dog democrats. If someone with another ideology wants to enter the fray they're more than welcome, as long as they're willing to take the shots they'll get, and they show a modicum of respect for the posters on the other side & vice versa. But this board is not going to be turned into "Free Republic Lite". When and if I detect that's the agenda by anyone I'll start banning and deleting like a whirling dervish.

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Both are totally evil and create a slave state to pay for it.
Yes, spending money to feed and care for people is just as "evil" as spending money to kill other people.

You are such a nuanced philosopher, MPC.
Why do so many people need to be fed and cared for? A good percentage of these people need to stop sucking on the public tit and engage their survival instinct.
Because corporate America has done such a good job of providing employment in the US, adequate healthcare, and livable wages.
I don't know, the US is the world's only true super power. We have the largest economy in the world and the highest standard of living if you use legitimate criteria (especially if you compare it to economies of the same size). Our historically high unemployment is still better than the standard for most other advanced countries, and once we get good leadership I'm sure it will drop back down to 4-5%. What exactly are you looking for?
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Why do so many people need to be fed and cared for? A good percentage of these people need to stop sucking on the public tit and engage their survival instinct.
Your stinginess is so vicious, it transcends selfishness to become moral turpitude.
Stinginess? I think people who can work should work. Is there a problem with that?
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America is so rich that quibbling over what little we spend to feed poor people is just crazy. Not only do such complaints show really fucked up priorities, they show an obscene absence of compassion.
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America is so rich that quibbling over what little we spend to feed poor people is just crazy. Not only do such complaints show really fucked up priorities, they show an obscene absence of compassion.
Welfare applied too liberally is counterproductive, anyone with kids (that they actually raise) knows that. Welfare should only be for the truly distressed.
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Both are totally evil and create a slave state to pay for it.
Yes, spending money to feed and care for people is just as "evil" as spending money to kill other people.

You are such a nuanced philosopher, MPC.
Why do so many people need to be fed and cared for? A good percentage of these people need to stop sucking on the public tit and engage their survival instinct.
Because corporate America has done such a good job of providing employment in the US, adequate healthcare, and livable wages.
I don't know, the US is the world's only true super power. We have the largest economy in the world and the highest standard of living if you use legitimate criteria (especially if you compare it to economies of the same size). Our historically high unemployment is still better than the standard for most other advanced countries, and once we get good leadership I'm sure it will drop back down to 4-5%. What exactly are you looking for?
this is absolutely untrue. Several countries have higher standards of living, the first one that comes to mind is Switzerland
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Find something important to grind your teeth over.
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An experiment was done in California about 20 or so years ago. Instead of direct cash payments or food stamps, the 'needy' were offered all the basic and quite nutirtious food they wanted at public food distributia centers, and the 'homeless' were offered clean, safe, dormitory style accomodatia. The protests were so hysterical that the slimebucket politicians reversed and re-instated the cash payments.
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Both are totally evil and create a slave state to pay for it.
Yes, spending money to feed and care for people is just as "evil" as spending money to kill other people.

You are such a nuanced philosopher, MPC.
Why do so many people need to be fed and cared for? A good percentage of these people need to stop sucking on the public tit and engage their survival instinct.
Because corporate America has done such a good job of providing employment in the US, adequate healthcare, and livable wages.
I don't know, the US is the world's only true super power. We have the largest economy in the world and the highest standard of living if you use legitimate criteria (especially if you compare it to economies of the same size). Our historically high unemployment is still better than the standard for most other advanced countries, and once we get good leadership I'm sure it will drop back down to 4-5%. What exactly are you looking for?
this is absolutely untrue. Several countries have higher standards of living, the first one that comes to mind is Switzerland
Are you really comparing the US to Switzerland?

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Is hidekimatsui our resident FFC?
I'm just posting guy
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Is hidekimatsui our resident FFC?
One of them.
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Scandinavian countries are laughing at us.
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Scandinavian countries are laughing at us.
Scandinavian countries are small, homogeneous, and inconsequential nations. Let's deal with the real world shall we.
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They just laughed again.
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