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We are making fresh vegetable soup in our pressure cooker; We waste nothing, everything in the vegetable compartment goes into the soup
Topic Started: Jul 24 2013, 11:05 AM (593 Views)
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In the same way that when we have harvested a nice load from a sizemeat, we swallow every drop, wasting nothing!

We once phoned a fabulous eldersister when she was making some chicken soup. When we asked if she uses the whole chicken she replied: "No, just the cock and balls - I call it pricksoup".
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It's such a treasure, having witty friends.

Find some.
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Pressure cookers have their place, but not for soup.

It turns veggies into tasteless mush.
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I've often wondered what the benefit was for using a PC for soup. I would assume if you're using fresh veggies it would enable you to get the soup fully cooked much faster than if you cooked it on the cook top. But as PPSM said, you must have to really watch it to make sure you don't let it go too long or you'd end up with a veggie gravy.
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no more than 5 minutes once the little pressure knob pops us.

Besides, we puree it all anyway.

And we have just dined on it and it was fabulous!
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If you puree it, then it's just vegetable broth.
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Sounds like it could be a good base for a stew.
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Most veggies cook so quickly anyway, it's really not worth the effort.

It's brilliant for dried beans, though (I almost never use canned beans, as they are loaded with salt and preservatives, the canning process zaps the beans of their nutrients, and cans are usually lined with a known carcinogenic poison called BPA).

Not to mention, dried beans are tastier and cheaper.
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The word "vegetables" has 10 letters -- the slang term "veggies" has 7 letters. Is saving 3 keystrokes really worth indulging in such a vulgarism?
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Jul 24 2013, 04:10 PM
The word "vegetables" has 10 letters -- the slang term "veggies" has 7 letters. Is saving 3 keystrokes really worth indulging in such a vulgarism?
Are you vying for my Prisspot title?

What a thing to work yourself into a lather over.
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Jul 24 2013, 12:21 PM


Besides, we puree it all anyway.
Imagine the foods you could try if you had teeth . . .
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Besides, we puree it all anyway.
Imagine the foods you could try if you had teeth . . .
:rofl
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What a thing to work yourself into a lather over.


I'm not lathered. I just don't have a tin ear.
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Jul 24 2013, 04:10 PM
The word "vegetables" has 10 letters -- the slang term "veggies" has 7 letters. Is saving 3 keystrokes really worth indulging in such a vulgarism?
I have ulnar neuropathy in both arms so those 3 letters can kiss my ass.
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The word "vegetables" has 10 letters -- the slang term "veggies" has 7 letters. Is saving 3 keystrokes really worth indulging in such a vulgarism?
I have ulnar neuropathy in both arms so those 3 letters can kiss my ass.
Have you considered surgery? I had this in one arm and had the nerve re-routed so it's no longer entrapped. Worked well - though I didn't recover all the feeling in my hand. It didn't get any worse, though.
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Besides, we puree it all anyway.
Imagine the foods you could try if you had teeth . . .
:rofl
We have every one of our teeth, have never lost a single one.
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The word "vegetables" has 10 letters -- the slang term "veggies" has 7 letters. Is saving 3 keystrokes really worth indulging in such a vulgarism?
I have ulnar neuropathy in both arms so those 3 letters can kiss my ass.
Tybee seems to believe that she has many illnesses.

Perhaps if she threw out all medicines, stopped seeing all doctors, and embraced Christian Science, she would feel a lot better.
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Jul 24 2013, 09:14 PM
Have you considered surgery? I had this in one arm and had the nerve re-routed so it's no longer entrapped. Worked well - though I didn't recover all the feeling in my hand. It didn't get any worse, though.
Not at this point. I've let them cut into me more than I care to think about in the last several years. I just take great care to never rest my arms on a hard surface. I still have pain but I know how to minimize it. I have 2 4" thick memory foam pads I can attach to the arms of my desk chair if I start having pain. The intense burning in the tips of my pinky and ring fingers can be a misery though.

Lady C, I wish it was all in my mind. I hope you aren't singing a different tune when you reach 60. As far as medications, I take them minimally. I take no pain medication whatsoever. The only time I've ever taken any narcotic for pain was after serious back surgery a few years ago. But I wouldn't let them give me much even when I was still in the hospital, and I refused to even fill the prescriptions when I was discharged. It seemed the doctors were going out of their ways to get me addicted to one thing or another. I take one reduced strength aspirin and my BP medication and that's it.
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Stuff like this makes us grateful that we never see doctors, never have 'check-ups' and have no 'health insurance'!
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I hate to admit it, but MPC may be onto something here. In the US, I was on two meds for OCD/anxiety, Prilosec for acid reflux, vitamin supplements because of the long term nutrient deficiency of acid reflux, and then....I started having pains in my left butt cheek riding down my leg.

They couldn't decide if it was a disc issue, arthritis, or some catch-all diagnosis called "piriformis syndrome."

After 2 sets of x-rays, an MRI, physical therapy, more drugs for pain, steroid injections, and finally a minor surgery that literally cauterized some of my spinal nerves (leaving my leg numb and unable to walk for a full day), the doctor just said it was pain I had to live with.

Never once did anyone (five doctors in total) tell me to quit smoking, cut out dairy, try some herbs, change my exercise, etc. They just wanted to give me pharmaceuticals and poke me with needles, when my diagnostic work had made it clear there were no tumors or disc disease.

Giving up cigarettes and eating vegan has completely cured the acid reflux. No Prilosec. Taking turmeric and black pepper in my green tea every morning (as well as my vegan diet) has almost completely wiped out my sciatic pain. Though I can no longer ride a bike, I have the energy to power walk and do yoga--which takes care of the anxiety and insomnia.

Problems all solved with no meds or doctors. The only thing I take is B12 now (vegans have to) and D3 during the long winter.

Western medicine has its place for serious acute injury and illnesses, but for chronic disease, it absolutely sucks.
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Let me be clear: the Christian Science stuff is bullshit. Western Medicine is great for stuff like musculoskeletal injury and serious acute issues like gallstones or ruptured appendix, and maybe even cancer treatment.

But for chronic issues, you're better off altering your diet and exercising.
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I fucking hate auto-correct.

So. Much.
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My maternal grandfather was a heart surgeon. Even he used to say at times there's a lot of guess work in the medical field.
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But the fact is, they will start pumping you full of drugs long before even suggesting you might try exercising, eating better (cutting out dairy was HUGE for me, but I had to figure it out myself after years of digestive problems and chronic ear infections that Doctors just threw Prilosec and antibiotics at), or quitting smoking (which directly causes stress/insomnia from nicotine and acid reflux from the damage smoke does to your esophageal sphincter).

I know most people are lazy and stupid and would rather just pop a pill, but I feel like Doctors don't even bother trying. Or even making suggestions.
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Plain herbal licorice (the kind with no sugar or anything else) from the health food stops acid reflux in seconds.
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Jul 25 2013, 06:53 AM
I hate to admit it, but MPC may be onto something here. In the US, I was on two meds for OCD/anxiety, Prilosec for acid reflux, vitamin supplements because of the long term nutrient deficiency of acid reflux, and then....I started having pains in my left butt cheek riding down my leg.

They couldn't decide if it was a disc issue, arthritis, or some catch-all diagnosis called "piriformis syndrome."

After 2 sets of x-rays, an MRI, physical therapy, more drugs for pain, steroid injections, and finally a minor surgery that literally cauterized some of my spinal nerves (leaving my leg numb and unable to walk for a full day), the doctor just said it was pain I had to live with.

Never once did anyone (five doctors in total) tell me to quit smoking, cut out dairy, try some herbs, change my exercise, etc. They just wanted to give me pharmaceuticals and poke me with needles, when my diagnostic work had made it clear there were no tumors or disc disease.

Giving up cigarettes and eating vegan has completely cured the acid reflux. No Prilosec. Taking turmeric and black pepper in my green tea every morning (as well as my vegan diet) has almost completely wiped out my sciatic pain. Though I can no longer ride a bike, I have the energy to power walk and do yoga--which takes care of the anxiety and insomnia.

Problems all solved with no meds or doctors. The only thing I take is B12 now (vegans have to) and D3 during the long winter.

Western medicine has its place for serious acute injury and illnesses, but for chronic disease, it absolutely sucks.
No wonder she has to smoke dope!
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Jul 25 2013, 09:22 AM
Plain herbal licorice (the kind with no sugar or anything else) from the health food stops acid reflux in seconds.
As does a teaspoon of baking soda in a cup of water.

But by all means, lets prescribe Prilosec to people long term, which essentially shuts down your digestive system, creates massive nutritional deficiencies, and is even known to cause stomach cancer.

Stay. Away. From. Prilosec.
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Jul 25 2013, 09:24 AM
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I hate to admit it, but MPC may be onto something here. In the US, I was on two meds for OCD/anxiety, Prilosec for acid reflux, vitamin supplements because of the long term nutrient deficiency of acid reflux, and then....I started having pains in my left butt cheek riding down my leg.

They couldn't decide if it was a disc issue, arthritis, or some catch-all diagnosis called "piriformis syndrome."

After 2 sets of x-rays, an MRI, physical therapy, more drugs for pain, steroid injections, and finally a minor surgery that literally cauterized some of my spinal nerves (leaving my leg numb and unable to walk for a full day), the doctor just said it was pain I had to live with.

Never once did anyone (five doctors in total) tell me to quit smoking, cut out dairy, try some herbs, change my exercise, etc. They just wanted to give me pharmaceuticals and poke me with needles, when my diagnostic work had made it clear there were no tumors or disc disease.

Giving up cigarettes and eating vegan has completely cured the acid reflux. No Prilosec. Taking turmeric and black pepper in my green tea every morning (as well as my vegan diet) has almost completely wiped out my sciatic pain. Though I can no longer ride a bike, I have the energy to power walk and do yoga--which takes care of the anxiety and insomnia.

Problems all solved with no meds or doctors. The only thing I take is B12 now (vegans have to) and D3 during the long winter.

Western medicine has its place for serious acute injury and illnesses, but for chronic disease, it absolutely sucks.
No wonder she has to smoke dope!
Twice a year in a country where it's legal.

Try not to get your panties in a ruffle.

I was trying to be civil again; not sure why I bother.
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We apologize, Miss PP, and we hope you stay away from 'modern medicine' from now on!
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I believe modern medicine does have its place for acute injuries and trauma (car accidents, broken bones, heart attacks, strokes, etc.) but have almost completely lost faith that it helps in any way with chronic illness (except maybe insulin for type 1 diabetics).
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Jul 25 2013, 09:19 AM
but I feel like Doctors don't even bother trying. Or even making suggestions.
City doctors worry too much about things like insurance reimbursements and expenses and not enough about patient care. Profit and loss in other words. Obviously they have to be concerned about the viability of their practice, but I think far too many of them these days try to run as many patients as possible through the office on a daily basis and the care they provide becomes secondary. Quantity over quality. Get 'em in, get 'em diagnosed as close as possible, give 'em a prescription, and run 'em out. That's the name of the game all too many times.
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I work in a doctor's office. While I'm sure you all are correct in some cases, my experience in the industry is vastly different.

Most doctors do not know which patients are uninsured and paying cash, which patients have insurance which is contracted with the office and which have non-contracted insurance (different rates), they don't know which patients are on Medicare or which ones have secondary insurace. That is the job of the office staff so that the doctor can focus on care.

I'm sure there are greedy doctors out there who prescribe pills just for the kickbacks from big Pharma, but it won't add up to much when you factor in their medical school loans, years of their life spent studying and the cost of running a medical office which is tremendous. Malpractice insurance alone makes most every other insurance look cheap. Most people become doctors because they want to help people, not because they want to become rich, although it's not exclusive and I'm sure some of you out there know of exceptions.

The reason why pills are over prescribed is because the PUBLIC wants a magic pill. If they came out with a pill tomorrow that burned away body fat and gave you the body of your dreams, without having to work out or diet, do you think everybody would take it? Of course. Look at Viagra, a magic pill that gives you a boner. It became enormously successful, not because of big Pharma's marketing or negotiating, but because people wanted a magic boner pill.

Doctors DID prescribe changing diet, including exercise and all the other things that people are now finding out work best long before the pharmaceutical industry became "Big Pharma". But look what happened from the 80's and on, people still got obese and unhealthy. Why? Because people weren't following the doctor's advice. So at least the option of a pill gets them to do something. THAT is why the pharmaceutical industry became "Big Pharma". No other reason. People don't want to exercise, don't want to eat healthy (and come up with excuses why not) and they want a magic pill.

So doctors have learned if they prescribe diet and exercise, it's unlikely to be followed. If they prescribe a magic pill, they are pretty sure people will take it.

That is my understanding based on my time in the medical industry. Doctors aren't automatically the greedy ones and they are not nearly as rich as the insurance tycoons, so if they really wanted to just be rich, they chose the wrong field.

Your mileage may vary.
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Well put R32.

I agree with everything you wrote. My circumstances were a bit different (years of Prilosec and antibiotics for ear infections when I was really just lactose intolerant), but I know it doesn't apply to all doctors. People are lazy, but then some doctors want to take the lazy way out too. They may not be actively trying to get rich on kickbacks, but it is--as Tybee said-- just easy to push people out the door with a pill instead of looking at a history and examining them.

I want the 99203, not the 99201.
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(I'm familiar with CPT codes! Does that add to the mystery?)
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Jul 25 2013, 10:38 AM
People are lazy, but then some doctors want to take the lazy way out too. They may not be actively trying to get rich on kickbacks, but it is--as Tybee said-- just easy to push people out the door with a pill instead of looking at a history and examining them.
I can't speak for all doctors, and I don't know if there is a "doctor shortfall" or not, but the population has exploded in the last 50 years, has the number of doctors kept up? I actually don't know, but if you go into a doctors office, usually you will see near the front desk an entire wall of folders, so that the office staff can grab a patients folder quickly. It can be an entire wall, literally thousands of patients. This of course varies greatly by doctor as well as by geographic region, more common in cities, less so in rural areas, etc.

Also consider the lines at the emergency room, a lot of people want to see the doctor, you do get to the point where you have to assembly line the process just to keep it moving.

Another factor, in our office at least, maybe not elsewhere, is that insurances are no longer paying as much for a 99203 and in some cases dropping it all together. (for those unfamiliar with the codes, a 99201 is about a 15 minute visit, a 99203 is about a 30 minute visit, and it goes up to 99205 which is about an hour visit). So while the doctor may or may not be greedy, it's still common business sense to not do something you are not going to get paid for.

And then again, maybe some doctors are lazy.

But truthfully it's the insurance industry that controls how the office is run, more than the doctor.
Because it's the industry that determines which codes will be paid and which wont. The doctor doesn't determine that.
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I'm giving away my former occupation by saying this, but what the hay. I'm already hated.

It goes both ways. There are plenty of doctors out there billing at 99203 and 99204 when all they did was a 99201. They can be just as greedy as the insurance companies (which are assholes too--I won't lie).
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Funny that we're having this discussion and I just got off the phone with an old friend and former work associate and we talked about this very subject. He was telling me that he had some sort of cardiac test done recently (he had a shunt installed 3 years ago after a heart attack). He's now 69 years old and has Medicare. He received the Medicare payment notice on Monday. The hospital billed Medicare $8156.00 for the procedure. Medicare paid them $852.25. The next day his heart doctor also did 2 tests and billed $450.00 and $58.00 for the 2 tests. Medicare paid him $18.00. And of course since it's Medicare that's all the providers will get.

An old friend of mine from high school developed some sort of condition that required surgery a few years back. He and his wife checked with hospitals all over the country. The lowest cost they could find at all the hospitals for the procedure was over $75,000.00. Another friend suggested they start contacting reputable hospitals in Europe. They got a quote for the very same procedure from a major hospital in Paris for just under $8000.00. Needless to say he had the surgery performed in Paris.

Medical care in this country has become a criminal enterprise IMO. And there are nitwits who don't want single payer government provided insurance.
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(I'm familiar with CPT codes! Does that add to the mystery?)
Indeed.

:wink

Another thing I should point out, there are lazy doctors, yes. But what you all are complaining about is system wide. It's a huge problem. The majority of doctors can't be lazy, laziness just wouldn't have gone through all that work to get into that field.

SOME doctors might be lazy. The majority can't be.
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It goes both ways. There are plenty of doctors out there billing at 99203 and 99204 when all they did was a 99201. They can be just as greedy as the insurance companies (which are assholes too--I won't lie).
I wonder how many. If a doctor gets audited, and millions do every year, and it gets discovered, he loses his license.
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Jul 25 2013, 11:16 AM
Funny that we're having this discussion and I just got off the phone with an old friend and former work associate and we talked about this very subject. He was telling me that he had some sort of cardiac test done recently (he had a shunt installed 3 years ago after a heart attack). He's now 69 years old and has Medicare. He received the Medicare payment notice on Monday. The hospital billed Medicare $8156.00 for the procedure. Medicare paid them $852.25. The next day his heart doctor also did 2 tests and billed $450.00 and $58.00 for the 2 tests. Medicare paid him $18.00. And of course since it's Medicare that's all the providers will get.

An old friend of mine from high school developed some sort of condition that required surgery a few years back. He and his wife checked with hospitals all over the country. The lowest cost they could find at all the hospitals for the procedure was over $75,000.00. Another friend suggested they start contacting reputable hospitals in Europe. They got a quote for the very same procedure from a major hospital in Paris for just under $8000.00. Needless to say he had the surgery performed in Paris.

Medical care in this country has become a criminal enterprise IMO. And there are nitwits who don't want single payer government provided insurance.
Medicare is a contracted rate. Doctors who accept medicare have to accept medicare rates, there's no way around it. The charges are usually figured out at 2 and a half times the medicare rate. Obviously with the totals some people come up with, it can vary.

If Medicare determines that a heat pad treatment costs 15 dollars, the actual charge will be 37.50. You accept the medicare rate and write off the rest. You do that because Blue Shield might pay 22 dollars for the treatment and Aetna might pay the full 37.50. If you just charged Medicare rates, then everybody is basically on Medicare, no matter what insurance they have. :eek

Again, even though the doctor's office will determine the cost, the actual payment is determined by the insurance industry. Very rarely does a 80,000 dollar bill get paid in full.

This is all something doctors have to wade through, believe me, they didn't want to set it up this way. Billing is basically the only thing insurance industries do, so they have made it very complex.
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Jul 25 2013, 11:18 AM
SOME doctors might be lazy. The majority can't be.
You're right. There are good doctors still out there. But it is my experience that in the city doctors with big practices are just worn down by the system more than being lazy. That's why we need a fair single payer insurance system for all citizens. As long as the drug manufacturers are able to set ludicrously high prices for some drugs we'll never have fair anything in the medical world. Those high prices for drugs filter out to every other facet of the medical world eventually.

I've been reading about the number of doctors who are stopping taking insurance of any sort altogether. They say they're able to reduce their overall office expenses by over 30% right off the bat because they don't need all the office staff dealing with the billings, and charge a fair rate to their patients. They admitted that in most cases they've lost 75% of their former patients, but are able to make a living just on the remaining 25% private pays.
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I believe modern medicine does have its place for acute injuries and trauma (car accidents, broken bones, heart attacks, strokes, etc.) but have almost completely lost faith that it helps in any way with chronic illness (except maybe insulin for type 1 diabetics).
Insulin injectias kill diabetics
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An overhaul of the system is desperately needed, I agree with that.

One of the reasons why the billing is so crazy is because you can't go to one patient and say "the heat treatment for you will be 15 dollars" and then go to another patient and say "for you it's 37.50". That's discriminatory. So you have to charge everybody the same rate, you pick the high one, and you know that when their insurance pays, you take it and write off whatever amount is left over. That way everybody is charged the same rate.

So in a weird way, the doctor's office IS trying to make it one rate across the board. It's the insurance industry that plays the game. We just got a notice from blue shield the other day that as of Sept. they will no longer pay ANYTHING for codes 99XXX for physical therapists. Usually a doctor can bill multiple procedure codes (with the 99XXX ones being for amount of time spent in the exam room), now physical therapists will only be paid for the actual work done on the body, not for the time reserved for the patient. Other insurances will still pay it though.

This is something doctor's offices are held captive over, it's not their choice. The best answer would be for doctors to reject insurance outright, but people WANT their insurance. They feel it protects them from disaster, so yeah, unless you want to lose upwards of 70% of your business, you have to take insurance. it's a catch 22.
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My family practice doctor is an old friend of over 50 years. Every time I go to see him for an appointment he's bitching and moaning about low insurance reimbursements. And it never fails I end up making fun of him to his face because while he whines about low reimbursements and how hard it is becoming to make a living he and his silly society wife have a $3 million home in Buckhead, a million $+ beach property on St. Simons Island and both drive $70,000.00 automobiles. It's a hard life. :cough :lol
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Jul 25 2013, 11:42 AM
My family practice doctor is an old friend of over 50 years. Every time I go to see him for an appointment he's bitching and moaning about low insurance reimbursements. And it never fails I end up making fun of him to his face because while he whines about low reimbursements and how hard it is becoming to make a living he and his silly society wife have a $3 million home in Buckhead, a million $+ beach property on St. Simons Island and both drive $70,000.00 automobiles. It's a hard life. :cough :lol
Yeah, I know attorneys the same way. Plus if you consider the ultra rich like the Koch brothers or the heads of big banks, etc. it's always those who have the most who complain about never having enough, it doesn't matter what field they are in.
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Jul 25 2013, 05:26 AM
Lady C, I wish it was all in my mind. I hope you aren't singing a different tune when you reach 60.
MPC is reaching 60? Again?
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If people had to pay for all doctors and drugs 100% out of their own pocket(no health insurance, medicare, etc) the cost of 'health care' would plummet and people would be much healthier.
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Well, it's not like the private insurance industry isn't one of the most corrupt that ever existed.
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Please download these pdf's for a revealing look at how 'health care' in the USA evolved from very effective and very low cost homeopathy to ultra high cost alliopathy at the beginning of the 20th century, mainly thanks to the Rockefeller interests:

http://www.whale.to/a/mullinsbk_m.html
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