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"Liberal Christians"
Topic Started: Aug 8 2013, 01:40 PM (958 Views)
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Joel and Joyce: I don't believe in hell, but if I did...

Both are disgusting trash.
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Joel and Victoria believe in cash.
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That whole "camel through the eye of a needle" thing is just lost on these bitches.
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Aug 10 2013, 10:46 AM
That whole "camel through the eye of a needle" thing is just lost on these bitches.
Does Joyce fsve canej tie?
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I bet ger oydsy is soecially trank!!
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She coukd priblt pull her beev cutrsins over her head!
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Kindly refrain from this fake typing drunk gimmick. It is beyond tedious.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-atheists-analysis-of-over-63-scientific-studies-stretching-back-over-decades-concludes-8758046.html
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Aug 10 2013, 10:46 AM
That whole "camel through the eye of a needle" thing is just lost on these bitches.
What Christ meant was that the earth-bound can not attain the Kingdom of Heaven, which lies within you.

The Upanishad said much the same thing: "The world and all that is in it is the mantle of the Lord, renounce it and receive it back as the gift of God"
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I wholeheartedly agree. The concepts of God and heaven indeed lie within us.

Inside our minds.

Nowhere else.
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1 Corinthians 14:34 and 1 Timothy 2:12 both state a woman should not teach over a man and should be silent in churches.

How do liberal/feminist Christians or female ministers react to these verses?
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MrsPatrickCampbell
Aug 9 2013, 12:47 PM
We are not a Christian.

We are a Catholic.
Yes indeed. Were you molested by a Catholic priest growing up? Oh people in Ireland(where they gave lil ole you a citizenship) are converting to Protestantism. an Irish Catholic politician actually said that Ireland had a better civic and government culture when everything was run by the Protestants! It's OK Ms Pee Cee going to a Catholic school is like saying you were someone's but boy back in the day!
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How do liberal/feminist Christians or female ministers react to these verses?


It doesn't matter. You're trying to take the view of a literalist and hold people who likely don't take the bible literally accountable for the way you see it. Liberal Christians aren't the ones obsessing over the minutia of a single verse and examining them in isolation, one by one: is this sentence right or is it wrong? If they considered it at all, they would probably put such a verse in context of the times and maybe note its lack of significance to Jesus' message, which had nothing to do with Paul's churchly version of Robert's Rules of Order.

Remember what's important about the bible to some liberal who thinks Jesus was just about the hippest cat to walk the planet because of his revolutionary ideas. He espoused a kind of freedom and human rights that were definitely revolutionary in the culture he lived in. He wasn't there to suck up to the powerful (the Roman occupiers) or the wealthy (the corrupt priests) who took and took and tookfrom the least secure in society and generally made their lives more difficult, not less. Liberally, Jesus' message had a lot more to do with seeing the diseased, the poor, the imperfect, and relatively powerless as human beings deserving of good than it did the details of running a church, which he neither had or established rules for.

Ironically, the literalist does with bible verses the same thing the Pharisees (according to Matthew) did when they tried to play a similar word game with Jesus - "Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not?” The answer did more than just side step the question - it deemed the question itself unimportant and told the questioners they were missing the point. Likewise, if you're attempting to damn a liberal Christian for identifying as a Jesus fan, you might investigate what he actually believes before hanging him on parts he doesn't care much about. And given that liberal churches are the ones most likely to have women in positions of authority, it's a safe bet to say they don't put in much time wringing their philosophical hands over 1 Corinthians 14:34 or 1 Timothy 2:12 and the like. Oh, I'm sure they've considered them at some point, particularly female ministers given their occupation, but so much of the bible is open to equivocation and molding to fit one's needs that it's just an exercise in working it out. You know your bible well enough to know that you can find support for or against most things. Kind of like a political platform. "You take the good, you take the bad..." Which brings up something else.

I get the impression that you take the view that truth and fiction cannot be mixed - that if the latter is found in the company of the former, the entire package must be a fraud. That's an impractically high standard and not rational at all. Who, or what, meets it? If you find perfection, let me know. Or better yet, don't - it'd make you a heretic against reality. Even a liberal Christian knows the bible is not a science or law book and it's a waste of time to try and use it for something it was never intended to be. He can nonetheless believe Jesus was a revolutionary who tapped into the consciousness of God because he had the balls to deliver a pretty profound message in the face of death.

On some level, Jesus had to know traipsing around declaring that a new kingdom was coming was going to get him killed eventually. Several self-proclaimed messiahs came both before and after him, and all the ones we know about were also killed in one way or another. Proclaiming yourself messiah was hardly unique around that time. Going around saying one was going to replace the rule of the Romans and Jewish Priests (these two were very much in collusion in ruling the common Jew) with another "Kingdom" never ended well for any of the men living around the same time who tried it. They all would have been better off heeding Miss Manners: One simply doesn't agitate against a well ensconced power structure. Not without consequences.
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Aug 13 2013, 08:39 AM
MrsPatrickCampbell
Aug 9 2013, 12:47 PM
We are not a Christian.

We are a Catholic.
Yes indeed. Were you molested by a Catholic priest growing up? Oh people in Ireland(where they gave lil ole you a citizenship) are converting to Protestantism. an Irish Catholic politician actually said that Ireland had a better civic and government culture when everything was run by the Protestants! It's OK Ms Pee Cee going to a Catholic school is like saying you were someone's but boy back in the day!
When we were an innocent, very beautiful young teenager attending a Catholic boarding school we tried to molest a hot young Catholic priest there and.............. he rejected us!
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Aug 14 2013, 03:05 AM
When we were an innocent, very beautiful young teenager attending a Catholic boarding school we tried to molest a hot young Catholic priest there and.............. he rejected us!
I'm Jesus and I approve this message.
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You attended a boarding school in the same city your parents lived? Oh, my. That says so much.
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