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| Was1985 Madonna's breakout year? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 28 2011, 03:15 PM (985 Views) | |
| Marilynrules62 | Sep 28 2011, 03:15 PM Post #1 |
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From video clips I watch on Youtube and interviews from 1984/1985, I got this feeling that Madonna wasn't that famous yet in 1984, even very late in 1984. Then I watch interviews and performances from 1985 and then there's this energy and feeling that Madonna was pretty well known in 1985. Was 1985 Madonna's 'breakout' year? |
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| flea dip | Sep 28 2011, 05:21 PM Post #2 |
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Yes. Her very first album (self titled) got her name out there a little bit, but it wasn't until '85 and the skanky LAV video that she exploded. |
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| Marilynrules62 | Sep 28 2011, 06:00 PM Post #3 |
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LOL! |
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| Marilynrules62 | Sep 28 2011, 06:04 PM Post #4 |
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Reminds me of Rihanna. How she debuted in 2005, but it wasn't until 2007 with 'Umbrella' that she became extremely popular. |
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| Tonygirl | Oct 6 2011, 03:15 PM Post #5 |
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I graduated high school in June 1984 and no one including me knew about her. Some of the girls in class talked about Cyndi Lauper so she must have been in '84. I do remember dating a jerko in '85, and one of his friends was laughing at Madonna, saying she looked like she lived in a dumpster, and I wasn't quite sure who she was yet. And I watched MTV a lot then. |
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| flea dip | Oct 6 2011, 04:41 PM Post #6 |
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I didn't have MTV until about 1988/1989 (but I did have a few friends who had MTV in the early and mid 80s and got to watch it at their homes). Before then, there was a local station in one city I lived in that used to air an hour-long music video show around 3 or 4 P.M. in the afternoon. I used to watch that show when I got home from school, and they used to show Madonna's "Borderline" and "Burning Up" videos, so I remember seeing them in 1983 or '84. (I think they also played the "Lucky Star" video.) I remember hearing "Borderline," "Lucky Star" and "Holiday" on the radio in '83 or '84. I was a tiny bit familiar with her at that point, but it wasn't until 1985 and the "Like A Virgin" video that she began getting a ton of attention from average people and the media. Then parents got upset because they begin noticing that she wore bras and slips on the outside of her clothing, so the media begin reporting how outraged parents were, and it snowballed from there. I think her 1984 performance at some MTV awards show (where she wore the bride dress and rolled around on the floor) is where people began to sit up and take notice a bit, but it was really that '85 video which seemed to set people off. |
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| Marilynrules62 | Jan 27 2013, 07:11 PM Post #7 |
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Flea, wasn't the 'Like A Virgin' music video released in 1984? Like around October/November of '84? |
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| flea dip | Jan 28 2013, 09:27 AM Post #8 |
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Maybe it was, don't know - but it (the video) / she did not get huge until around '85. Sometimes a video can be released and not really catch on until a month or two later (at least this was true in the 1980s). Madonna did not just break out overnight. It was a build up, a bit at a time. The 84 live MTV LAV performance (that I mentioned before) started her out, and then a few weeks or months of the LAV video being replayed non stop on MTV and then when parents got wind of that video (it created controversy, which got in the media) is what set her off. It was not like LAV video was released and then five minutes later it (and she) became huge. It's not like today, when Lady Gaga makes a new video, it goes on 'You Tube' where everyone can see it at the same time and instantly (or within a week) becomes a big sensation. Back in the 80s (and even most of the 90s) we did not have the web. It took a bit longer at times for stuff to catch on. Not everyone back in the 1980s had MTV, like I did not. And there was no "You Tube" or Vimeo back then, so you could not go visit a video site and watch online whenever you wanted. Some of my friends had MTV at their homes in the 80s, and on occasion, I could see MTV at their houses, but not everyone had cable and MTV back then. When LAV video was released, I'm sure a few teen girls at the time noticed it and really liked it or found it interesting - but there was a delay between them noticing and liking it, and their parents finally seeing it and getting angry, and then the media making a story out of it (like weeks or months). Things moved a little more slowly back then. Teens (who watched MTV) noticed bands and stuff first, before adults caught on. There was sometimes a delay between teens picking up on new trends and their parents (or media) noticing those trends. It seems because of the internet, adults today pick up on teen trends a little more quickly than they did in the 80s/ 90s. The "Material Girl" video, along with the LAV video, also stirred up interest in Madonna at the time, though it was the raunchiness of the LAV video (and the lyrics) that hacked people off the most. |
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| Marilynrules62 | Jan 28 2013, 11:13 AM Post #9 |
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Thanks for the reply! Yeah, it reminds me of Britney Spear's rise to fame in the late 90s. Her schoolgirl video 'Baby one more time' came out in October 1998 (this is due my research on the internet, not by memory), but I don't remember her being fully blown famous until about June or 1999 or July of 1999. By summer of that year, she was huge! And she was everywhere! |
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| Marilynrules62 | Feb 9 2013, 01:04 AM Post #10 |
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I have this strange feeling that while the media was obssessed with Madonna until circa 1992 with The Sex book, I have this hunch that by 1991 most teens have lost interest in Madonna already. I could be wrong since I was only 3 in 1992, LOL! |
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| flea dip | Mar 9 2015, 01:58 PM Post #11 |
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To the poster who keeps asking me history questions about Madonna, you may find this fairly neutral TIME magazine article helpful: The Time Madonna Almost Quit Music for Good |
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| Marilynrules62 | Mar 9 2015, 10:02 PM Post #12 |
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Interesting. I think Like A Virgin helped her first album increase in sales. Reminds me of Adele, her '21' album being so huge, helped her first album sell more! Also, Madge started dating Sean Penn in January of 1985. I wonder if the press had started hounding Madonna yet, or if she was just too new for them to care. You know, like gossip sites? Entertainment Tonight? I know that they hounded her in August of 1985 when Penn and her got married but she was so huge then. At the end of the day it's just fun to research things, nice to know some things even if I won't lose sleep not knowing them.
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| flea dip | Mar 10 2015, 01:09 PM Post #13 |
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Here is someone else's impression of her past - but I've no idea how old this person is. I was in junior high and high school during the 80s, so I was actually around to see Madonna's career unfold (unlike a lot of the under 35s who write music reviews these days... the ones by the 25 year olds are hard to read because they have no idea what they're talking about and tend to be suckered by the Madonna mythology). Madonna may have released Like A Virgin in 1984, but the non stop media insanity for Madonna did not really start until 1985. Some of it was going on in 84, but 85 is when it started to get really, really bad. I don't recognize the "second hey day" this author discusses in this article. After LAV, Madonna was lifted up by the media, because she was good fodder for them, she made for a good headline. She was always grabbing her crotch on tours, or doing something vulgar, and the media had fun covering her. Madonna seemed more interesting to the media than someone more low-key and talented, such as Janet Jackson, Cyndi Lauper, or Jody Watley. Because Watley, Lauper, etc, were not grabbing their crotches in every video or pretending to masturbate on stage. Even Janet Jackson caved in to this at one point - her public image and photo shoots became more sexualized. Janet was never near as trashy as Madonna, but I think she must have felt that since the media was kissing Madonna's behind all the time due to her sexy sleazy persona, she better trying amping up the sexiness in her own act. With Rebel Heart, Madonna bridges her bulletproof past and reflective present Excerpt
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| Marilynrules62 | Mar 10 2015, 06:30 PM Post #14 |
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Thank you for this Flea!! And LOL @ the 2nd 'hey day'. Obvious a fan bias! |
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