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Barfy Butt-kissing Pieces; - Gag Worthy Pro-Madonna Ramblings
Topic Started: Jul 22 2005, 01:13 PM (5,704 Views)
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I think what follows is a translation by a fan of an article from Italian into English.

If, like me, you're wondering what "indefadigable" means - it doesn't mean anything. Here's the dictionary definition of "indefadigable".

Some of their other descriptions of Madonna are funny - "political militant?"

Yes, flashing photos of Saddam Hussein and George W. Bush in a concert is so politically militant! Wearing a beret with camouflage shirts in photo shoots for American Life is very politically militant.

She's the "pioneer of post femminism [sic]" -?

They left out that she is single handedly responsible for...
  • - ending starvation and poverty in third world countries;
    - inventing the light bulb, air plane, and telephone;
    - finding the cures for cancer and HIV
"masculine but female"
- Fascinating that fans have to tell us, "Well, erm, yeah, she looks like a man, but really, she is a female, we assure you."
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  • Pioneer of the post-femminism and also pet of gay movement.

    Madonna is our ultimate icon: transformist, man-killer, masculine but female, feminine but virile, indefadigable worker, political militant and always in search of being a better version of herself.

    It's one month to her only long-awaited and exciting Italian show that you cannot miss.

    We give you some preview and gossip, telling you the waiting for August 6, when she will be here with us again. She is a living link with the pop culture, an ingenious woman who made herself a work of art.
"Ingenious woman" :laugh:
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gay bowel movement perhaps?
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This is some kind of review or commentary about Manny's tour. I would've put it in the COAD Tour thread, but I think this journalist left her lip imprints all over Madonna's butt.

About the only good thing about it is that without meaning to, she sort of rags on Madonna for being 48 and still trying to act like a 25 year old pop singer. She also mentions that Madonna isn't much of a singer.

Everything else is a great big barfy Madonna Love-Fest.

Hey, Lady Chadwick, where this journalist says,
"[Madonna is] An icon. The kind that just doesn't exist anymore,"
I'm keeping my fingers crossed you raise the Madonna - Mae West comparison :laugh:

THE BEAT: Madonna won't rule forever; who's next?
  • July 20, 2006
    by MELISSA RUGGIERI

    I didn't intend for this to be a love letter to Madonna.

    In fact, after sitting in Philadelphia's Wachovia Center last week for about 50 minutes after her scheduled concert start time, listening to the crowd restlessly stomp, clap and -- God help us -- do the wave, my only thought was, "This [fill in the blank] better impress me."

    But it hit me early, about 15 minutes in, when she was twisted backward on an airborne saddle. Singing the 22-year-old "Like a Virgin" with none of the immature cooing that renders the song infamous, Madonna instead handled it like a woman. An icon. The kind that just doesn't exist anymore.

    ... It really does make your jaw drop with its taut muscularity that kept her in step nearly every moment with her much, much younger dancers.

    It was all an awesome sight -- and it was just the beginning of two hours of precise spectacle that only she can do perfectly.

    .... No one goes to see Madonna expecting a traditional concert. She isn't an exceptional singer...

    .... She is, though, a masterful performer. By merging some theatricality with her songs, seamlessly segueing between tracks as on her "Confessions on a Dance Floor" album and maintaining a sensory assault of videos, roller-skating dancers and her own cheeky persona, Madonna's shows are unparalleled.

    [:granny:] But here's the thing. Madonna is going to be 48 in a couple of weeks. Yes, she is in the kind of shape that should embarrass the average aerobics instructor and lives a life of yoga and legumes. But, despite an unwavering need for attention, she won't be out there forever.

    Cher made a tidy comeback in her late 50s with an equally spirited show -- though she's never been a Madonna-level physical performer -- and is expected to take her feather boas and sequins to the House of Celine in Las Vegas next year.

    Bette Midler is always good for some bawdy revelry, but her tours are fewer as she creeps into her 60s.

    .... So who will carry the tiaras when these ladies eventually choose to sit in their mansions and watch pay-per-view all day? Beyonce? Jessica Simpson?

    .... So you tell me -- who out there might be pole dancing on a saddle in 20 years? I surmise it's a pretty short list.
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If you're under the age of, let's say 30, here's a taste of the stereotypical pro-Madonna garbage that used to be printed in the 1980s.

After reading this, you can understand why 30 somethings such as 1NF and myself despise Man-donna, and why I began an anti-Manny site/board. Bear in mind this is only ONE article - 1NF and I were bombarded with billions of these things during our teen years.

If you're over 40, you were subjected to some of this too, but I think the teeny boppers of the '80s were exposed to this stuff even more.

The following sounds as though it was written in 1986 or 1987, but it was posted on 7/26/2006. The author writes as though she's in 1986/87, as she mentions the True Blue record in the present, not past, tense.

The author comments favorably on the song "Physical Attraction," hailing it as some kind of pro-feminist work by Manny - however, the credits for that song do not mention her, someone else wrote it. (Although some fan site claimed months ago that Manny wrote it.)

The more I skim it over, the more I think it's a 1986/7 review of True Blue. This review also refers to her as "Mrs. Sean Penn" or that she's married to him, which we all know was years ago.

The author says below:
  • "And, having no genitals, she [Barbie] was an archetype of chastity."
No genitals = chastity? :wth: :confused2:

:sick: Madonna alters female adolescence
  • By: JOYCE MILLMAN

    Most girls who grew up during the ’60s and early ’70s learned more about their place in society from Barbie than they did from their mothers. Barbie was the madonna/whore complex molded into shapely plastic, a mute ideal of wholesome yet suggestive beauty emphasized in adorable-sexy clothes designed to turn Ken’s head its full 360 degrees.

    She could be outfitted for a range of glamorous fantasy careers or rewarding helpmate ones.

    And, having no genitals, she was an archetype of chastity.

    Of course, the most coveted item in the Barbie wardrobe was a voluminous white lace-wedding gown.

    So in 1984, when Madonna Louise Ciccone, Barbie’s most apt pupil, posed in a (punky) white wedding gown for the laughably literal madonna/whore cover of her second album, Like a Virgin, the little girls — and a lot of us big girls — understood.

    Madonna was not out to attack traditional institutions or soil traditional daydreams (how could the glowing romantic-rebirth imagery of “Like a Virgin” have been so seriously misread?).

    No, she was a staunchly middle-class as the most loyal of her fans; like them, she was shaped by the pop culture that Barbie reflected — parents’ Fab ’50s stability mixed with the fallout of ’60s social change and the trickle-down of ’70s permissiveness.

    For the young girls who bought Like a Virgin in droves and made her the most popular (and notorious) white female singer of her time, Madonna is the last word in attitude and fashion, the epitome of cool. Madonna is the video generation’s Barbie.

    And those girls couldn’t have a smarter or spunkier role model. Madonna injects middle class ideas of femininity with examples of what feminism means to her, and it means simply “equal opportunity.”

    Instead of Barbie’s teasing aloofness, she offers an aggressive sexuality that implies it’s acceptable for women not only to initiate relationships (and she does in “Physical Attraction,” “Borderline,” “Crazy for You,” “Into the Groove,” etc.) but also to enjoy them. Barbie had the land of make believe carte blanche (not to mention the costumes) to be all things at once, but Madonna does it for real.

    A singer, songwriter, actress, comedienne, and now — on her latest, nerviest, and most assured album, True Blue (Sire) — a record producer, Madonna exemplifies the women’s-movement slogan that any girl can grow up to be whatever she wants to be (though, not surprisingly, MS. magazine didn’t have the guts to make her its token rocker in its 1985 Women of the Year round-up, favoring instead the nearly presexual and less explicitly feminist Cyndi Lauper); in songs like “Over and Over” (“You try to criticize my drive”) and, of course, “Material Girl,” she asserts that nice girls have to subliminate ambition.

    Most tantalizing (and controversial) is her insistence that a woman –— even a professional woman — ought to be able to act flirty, sexy, or sentimental without being written off as an airhead. Like (the more buttoned-up) Chrissie Hynde, Madonna refuses to suppress her female sensibilities and urges to make it in a man’s world.

    Director Susan Seidelman knew what she was doing when she cast Madonna as the woman Every-woman wanted to be in Desperately Seeking Susan; with her independence, earthy good humor, and the-hell-with-fashion sense of style, Madonna has always suggested the brave bohemian that all the other girls admired, emulated, and whispered about in high school. Maybe that’s why she’s made such a persuasive pied piper.

    Her legion of Wanna Bes demonstrates that things haven’t really changed — girls and women are still slaves to fad and fashion, they still wait to be told what to do. But Madonna isn’t merely this year’s girl, like a Farrah, or a Princess Diana (whom she impersonated with such girls-play-dress-up glee on SNL).

    She’s an idol with clout, and every public move she’s made since the centerfold uproar last summer shows that she’s considering her power carefully.

    The message she delivers in her warm, lowbrow way — the balloons that fell on the audience during her Like a Virgin concerts read “Dreams Come True” — is no Cinderella story of passivity; it’s an illustration that, yes, dreams come true if you work for them.

    Part of Madonna’s appeal is the way she sounds so carefree. Her unabashedly disco-derived singles (a string that True Blue continues) are tailored for maximum fun and the Top 10.

    Madonna may have worked with a succession of (male) songwriting partners and producers for her three albums (on True Blue, she got her first production credit, as an equal with pat Leonard and Stephen Bray), but her sound is her own; her voluptuous voice, sometimes sugary and high, sometimes steamy and low, delivers a vitality, a humanness, that’s more bewitching than any of her glamour-girl poses and more luminous than her fame.

    She has the flair for finding outside material that meshes with her own sentiments, and the instinct for zooming in on the pith of a song with some of the most evocative fadeouts this side of Smokey Robinson.

    Many of her original lyrics may be little more than romantic clichés (“You must be my lucky star,” “You must be an angel”), but like girl group divas Ronnie Specter, Darlene Love, and Mary Weiss (the Shangri-Las), Madonna uses her wholehearted singing to enrich her words. She always sounds as if she had absolute faith in her fairy tales — a faith, she understands, that binds her to her fans.

    Indeed in the video for her new single “Papa Don’t Preach,” wearing faded jeans, a bottle-blond gamine hairdo, and an “Italians Do It Better” T-shirt, Madonna looks like your average teenage girl from Medford or Chelsea; she looks at home walking through an aging neighborhood of cramped two-family houses, opening an ornately grilled screen door, entering a family room filled with plaid furniture and her own baby pictures.

    Yes, Madonna is the girl group of the ’80s, sympathetically articulating the turbulent teenage emotions sparked by awakening sexuality, class-consciousness, and individuality (not to mention peer pressure and parental clampdown), with bubble gum dance trappings adding an unmistakably urban working class ambience. (As Regina’s “Baby Love,” E.G. Daily’s “Say It,” and Alicia’s “Baby Talk,” among others, attest, she’s even inspired a Madonna Sound.)

    And the big hearted True Blue is her most girl-groupish album yet, from its front stoop view of love, work, dreams, and disappointments, to its chiming bells and female backing harmonies, to its cast of lovingly rendered Ordinary Joes. The insouciant “Where’s the Party” depicts a working girl blowing off the day-to-day grind on the dance floor.

    In the black-leather-jacket bop “Jimmy Jimmy” (with nods to “Uptown” and “Leader of the Pack”), Madonna admires a neighborhood wise guy’s ambition all the more because she knows he’s “just a boy who comes from bad places,” And the tranquil “La Isla Bonita” and the Feed-the-world fiesta “Love Makes the World Go Round” are “Up on the Roof”- type imaginary escapes from the city snarl, the kind of Latin flavored sweets that Blondie could never resist. (Madonna is what Debbie Harry might’ve become had Blondie not diluted their love of disco and pop with punk-intellectual irony.)

    Throughout True Blue, Madonna transforms her own marital bliss (“This is dedicated to my husband, the coolest guy in the universe, “ writes Mrs. Sean Penn on the inner sleeve) into high-school accessible scenarios of a girl breaking down a bad boy’s defenses with some motherly-tender firmness.

    “I don’t want to live out your fantasy/Loves not that easy/This time you’re gonna have to play my way,” she chirps in “White Heat,” a scrappy Valentine to James Cagney that blows kisses to the Leader of the Brat Pack as well.

    “I’ve had to work much harder than this/For something I want/Don’t try to resist me,” she warns in her sultriest lower register on “Open Your Heart.” And in the endearing title track, Madonna finally goes to the chapel with her guy as bells ring like crazy and a trio of backing Madonna’s falls into a “Johnny Angel” swoon.

    But on True Blue’s boldest number, Madonna ventures into territory no girl group was allowed to explore. “Papa Don’t Preach” (written by Brian Elliott with additional lyrics by Madonna) is the first song she’s recorded in which she takes off from her image (and accepts her role) as the voice of girlhood.

    In the guise of a teenage who’s worked up the courage to tell her father about her unplanned pregnancy, Madonna forces her Wanna Bes to consider the risks and responsibilities of their sexuality.

    She makes them agonize with her over the choice a girl “in trouble” (as the song so girls’-bathroomishly puts it) faces: she can “give it up,” as her friends urge (and “give it up” is a term ambiguous enough to suggest adoption and abortion, or, as she wails with frighteningly childish stubbornness, “I made up my mind/I’m keeping my baby.”

    Although the melody is as insistently chugging as “Into the Groove” or “Dress You Up,” the mood of “Papa Don’t Preach” is tense and claustrophobic, from the melodramatic slashes of strings to the way Madonna’s voice wavers between brassy determination and husky uncertainty; there’s only the faintest hope of happily-ever-after in her shaky “He says that he’s gonna marry me/We can raise a little family/Maybe we’ll be all right.”

    And when Madonna unfurls the heartrending cry, “What I need right now is some good advise/Please/Papa don’t preach,” she expresses all the pain of growing up too fast.

    On the radio during the past two months, the sparse, sirenic number-one ballad “Live To Tell” (the theme song for Sean Penn’s film about terror in the bosom of the family, At Close Range) was a chilling riddle, Madonna’s hushed singing overwhelming everything else on the Top 40 with its nameless sadness. What’s the lesson she’s learned? What’s the secret she hides?

    On True Blue, “Live To Tell” makes a provocative companion to “Papa Don’t Preach.” With Madonna measuring the safety of silence against the urge to unburden herself, “Live To Tell” captures the utter loneliness of those times during adolescence when the world crashes down on you with each new problem, but fear of rejection, punishment, condemnation, of inflicting pain — prevents you from confiding in your parents.

    And that fear encircles “Papa Don’t Preach.” The most haunting line of the song isn’t “I’m keeping my baby,” but the whimper, deep into the fadeout, “Don’t you stop loving me daddy.”

    A call for parent-child communication as tortured as the Shangri-Las’ “I Can Never Go Home Anymore,” “Papa Don’t Preach” is Madonna’s finest three minutes, not merely because it addresses teen pregnancy but because it suggests that a portion of the blame rests on parents’ reluctance to discuss, not lecture about, sex. At a time when pregnancy among American teens is epidemic, “Papa Don’t Preach” makes parental insensitivity and unreality seem like the greater evil.

    Still, despite its message that parents can no longer afford to ignore their teenagers’ sexuality, “Papa Don’t Preach” may well be misappropriated by the forces of repression that the song scorns, the way “born in the USA” backfired on Bruce Springsteen.

    How long will it be before some Right to Life organization twists the song (“I’m keeping my baby,” indeed) into an anthem?

    Or, before Madonna is attacked by the literal-minded — or misunderstood by some of her fans — as glamorizing teen pregnancy?

    But, like Springsteen, Madonna trusts her listeners to get the point.

    Most important, “Papa don’t Preach” opens a long overdue and desperately needed discussion on a topic that, as far as pop-single queens go, has begun and ended with the Supremes’ “Love Child” (and sung from the point of view of the out of wedlock child, that song is just an old-fashioned scare story about the dangers of premarital sex).

    “Papa Don’t Preach” (and all of True Blue) shows that Madonna has figured out a way to get tough while remaining ravishingly faithful to her fans’ concerns, to pop simplicity, and to herself.

    At last, Barbie has a voice. Female adolescence will never be the same.
The author claims,
  • ... her second album, Like a Virgin, the little girls — and a lot of us big girls — understood.
Yeah, 12- year- old- me- at- the- time understood all right: she was a whore using sex to sell records.

The author writes,
  • Madonna may have worked with a succession of (male) songwriting partners and producers for her three albums (on True Blue, she got her first production credit, as an equal with pat Leonard and Stephen Bray)...
and then adds a "but" to that and goes on to rationalize it away. :rolleyes2:

Another quote by the author:
  • At last, Barbie has a voice [and it's Madonna]. Female adolescence will never be the same.
Yes, it gave us Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera. So much progress for women! :clap:

Meanwhile, women in some parts of the world have to endure honor killings because they're rape victims, or else they get their genitals mutilated, as local custom or the religion of their area dictates.
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Maybe I'll address some of the nauseating bits later. But right here
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the balloons that fell on the audience during her Like a Virgin concerts read “Dreams Come True”
reminded me of something I was trying to find when looking through pictures from the Virgin Tour. That is, this is one more way in which she has repeated herself, by showering the audience with balloons like she does in the Contusions Tour.
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Morgan on the icon that's Madonna - Jul 28 2006, by Elaine Morgan

Despite a few disclaimers, such as
  • I [Elaine Morgan] can't evaluate her [Madonna's] performances because music isn't my thing, but I can appreciate the work she puts into it, and the courage that keeps her coming back every time she's been written off.

    If that makes me sound like a fan, I'm not.

    What she does isn't my cup of tea, and sometimes I wish she wouldn't do it. If I had a daughter who regarded her as a role model, I'd be very unhappy about her particular brand of sexiness and exhibitionism, and the lengths to which she'll go to grab a headline.
- this thing shows way too much admiration for Madonna.

One example:
  • The difference between Madonna and the wannabes is a quality that in other contexts is recognised as genius.

    She fits all the common definitions of the word.
Morgan:
  • However, Madonna clearly isn't anybody's patsy. She showed that very early in her career.
Er, no, she didn't. She slept with anyone to grab a contract and to get real talent to work on songs for her.

She pulled her original American Life video because she wimped out.

As for her personal life....
She lived with Sean Penn for quite some time, all the while he was slapping her around, beating her up.

Morgan:
  • Rather like Charlie Chaplin and Doug Fairbanks when they created United Artists, she set up an organisation giving her complete control of her choice of music, which artists she worked with, and what kind of image she wanted to project. That's what makes her so hard to pin down.
(I have more to say about this at the bottom of this post.)

Marilyn Monroe did it before Madonna did. Monroe created Marilyn Monroe Productions in the mid 1950s.

American culture in the 1950s was a lot more sexist than it was in the 1980s, meaning Monroe had more obstacles to contend with than Madonna - and succeeded in spite of those obstacles.

Morgan applauding Man-donna's habit of reinvention:
  • But who or what is Madonna? Good question. She just won't hold still to answer it. You never know what she'll do next.
That's because the whole "reinvention" thing is based upon marketing considerations (doesn't want the buying public to get tired of her), lack of originality (I think I'll copy off Jean Harlow today and Marilyn Monroe tomorrow), and a lack of strongly held core values.

Morgan:
  • Three years after becoming an international star with multi-platinum hit singles and albums, she surprisingly accepted a leading role in a David Mamet play on Broadway.

    Mamet is a very earnest writer who makes like an intellectual, and Broadway is a very tough assignment - nightly hard work, axe-wielding theatre critics, no backing group, and no music to serve as the wind beneath your wings....
IIRC, Man-donna did not get good reviews for her role in that play. Okay, so Manny did Broadway - but she did not do it well.

I had to take piano lessons when I was a kid, for five years - but I'm not very good at the piano. I guess in Morgan's book, though, I'd be considered a genuis just for having done it! :rolleyes2:

Morgan seems to frame Madonna as a failure at the movies because mean ol' movie critics personally have it in for Man-donna, and she quotes Madonna to that effect.

Er, hello, I think most people - including professional film critics - have agreed that Manny does a decent job of acting when she's in an ensemble (e.g. A League of Their Own), but her as lead or main actress? Nope, she can't carry a film on her own, as her "acting" isn't strong enough.

If critics are wiling to admit she does okay in some forms of acting, how is it that there's a personal vendetta against Manny?

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I wanted to address this part of Morgan's page again:
  • Rather like Charlie Chaplin and Doug Fairbanks when they created United Artists, she [Madonna] set up an organisation giving her complete control of her choice of music, which artists she worked with, and what kind of image she wanted to project.
If Manny is so "in charge" of her career and calls all of the artistic shots, how does Morgan explain this:

Madonna special hoped to lift ratings
  • July 25, 2006

    NBC says it plans to air a two-hour concert by global pop star Madonna this November as it struggles to climb from the basement of US television ratings.

    The pop singer's shows are notorious for their sexual content, and NBC said it will tape the [Madonna] concert and pick which songs and dances to edit from the network's broadcast.

    "She is going to do her show, and we will decide which numbers are in the (TV special) and which are not, and that is whole numbers. We are not going to make piecemeal edits," Kevin Reilly, president of NBC Entertainment, told a gathering of TV critics.
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Let's play a game: Spot the cliches! The author manages to cram in just about every one of them. It's a 2 -page barf-fest.

It contains some very over-blown praise, such as
  • Partnered with William Orbit, she [Madonna] set the music business on its ear possibly more than ever before.
That is just way too flowery and lofty, and most of the essay is filled with that kind of rhetoric. I'm only surprised that the writer didn't credit Madonna with finding the cure for cancer.

Madonna - Pop Artist, Icon, Woman of Change
  • By Tina Mrazik CLOUT INDEX
    Sep 07 2006 10:16AM

    The world of popular music has always been subjected to unattainable dreams, aspirations, goals and the occasional controversy.

    No other artist has had more of an impact or influence in this medium over the past twenty years than Madonna. To know the world of 'pop' one has to only look at the charts. Her name and stature has been a constant among the buying public, the video generation and the movie-goer.

    She has worn many hats: saint, sinner, diva, icon and on occasion, the straw that broke the camels back. In an industry that creates 'conveyerbelt' groups and music, she seems to have more lives than a cat. Possibly even challenging Cher on indestructibility.

    She has charted over a dozen singles to hit the number one position, at last count sold over 100,000,000 records worldwide, signed with Time/Warner for an unprecedented $60,000,000 (she was the first artist to do so) and owns her own label, Maverick. Not bad for someone who had a supposed 'limited' shelf life. But we all know this already. Madonna's accomplishments are nothing new.

    Madonna's story has been told many times over. So, I will give you the abridged version. She was born Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone in Bay City, Michigan in 1958.

    She was brought up with strict Catholic values, lost her mother to cancer at the age of 5, made her way to New York in the late 1970's to study ballet and become an 'overnight sensation.'

    Breaking into the world of 'pop' in 1982 with her club hit 'Everybody,' Madonna created one of her many alter-ego's, the "Boy Toy." She defined a look and style, rode the wave of the fledging MTV, and was inundated with adolescent Madonna wanna-be's. Her first single to hit number one was 1984's "Like A Virgin."

    Once again changing her look and style like a chameleon she was on another path. This would be one of many. A more sophisticated and defiant woman appeared with "True Blue." She began writing more introspective music with "Papa Don't Preach," and was forever labeled "The Material Girl."

    It is doubtful that any fan of pop culture will forget her „Erotica,“ phase and companion tabletop book „Sex.“ It was truly an eye opening experience for us all. The book sold out in minutes and the cd penned the hits „Erotica,“ „Rain,“ and the infectious dance club smash „Deeper And Deeper.“

    Branching out into movies, she has had more misses than hits. "Desperately Seeking Susan," "Dick Tracy," " A League Of Their Own," "Truth Or Dare," and the award winning performance "Evita" (she was awarded the Golden Globe for Best Actress) were among the hits.

    n 1998, with a new sense of self and spirituality (aided by the study of Kabbalah - Jewish Mysticism - and the birth of her first child Lourdes with Carlos Leon) Madonna proved the critics wrong and reemerged with the powerfully potent "Ray Of Light." Partnered with William Orbit, she set the music business on its ear possibly more than ever before.

    Combining "pop" with "techno" and "dance" she cemented herself in the record books. She has proven time and again to be a music and video pioneer, using the newest technologies and sounds. Her controversies seemed to be far behind her and the story of legend.

    In 2000 her long awaited release "Music" hit the stores in September. The first single, the self-titled track "Music," quickly gained airplay on both radio and video channels creating quite a buzz in the industry.

    It is where "Ray" left off. The grooves were infectious and once again got people on the dance floor. The second single „Don’t Tell Me,“ was another charttopper.

    Fast foward to 2006. Much has changed in the world of Madonna and yet stayed the same.

    A successful marriage to filmmaker Guy Ritchie, the birth of the couple’s son, Rocco, a continues string of musical hits, (including her CD American Life) as well as a not so stellar motion picture attempt (the remake of Swept Away – directed by Ritchie).

    She conquered the concert arena with her latest tour Confessions On A Dance Floor – and the music charts with the cd’s subsequent chart topping status. Still a student of Kabbalah, she has penned children’s books based on the faith.

    Her first attempt „The English Roses,“ also toped the best sellers list. She has openly spoken out on political issues as well as personal.

    From her criticism of President George W. Bush and the war in Iraq, to free speech, to gay rights, it is clear Madonna has a lot on her mind. Has she merely become a pop icon or woman of consciuosness? From all appearances Madonna has seemed to come full cirlce.

    So, is Madonna the Bowie-esque chameleon for the 1980's, 1990's and beyond? Obviously. But I think her legacy spans further than that. As for those retractors that scoffed and remarked ‚she would be a has been within a years time,’ what a shock the past 20 or so years have been. There are no signs of her slowing down any time soon.

    She turned 47 years of age this year, and looks better than ever. For those of us who have grown up with Madonna, there is a distinct change. As an artist, a woman, an activist, she has grown up too.
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  • "and owns her own label, Maverick."
I thought she had to buy her way out of that?

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  • Madonna's story has been told many times over.
So why bother telling it again? :rolleyes2:

All of the reinvention crap this author drones on about - just Madonna ripping off other entertainers, or using fashion stylists, art directors, etc., such as Maripol.

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  • A more sophisticated and defiant woman appeared with "True Blue."
Er, no, that would be called Madonna ripping of Mid-1950s Marilyn Monroe.

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  • Madonna proved the critics wrong
What "critics?" Most writers say how great she is, and it's been going on since the 1980s.

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  • She has proven time and again to be a music and video pioneer
That would be her art directors, her homosexual photography buddies, etc.

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  • A successful marriage to filmmaker Guy Ritchie
:laugh: See the "Guy Ritchie and Madonna Marriage" thread - it's not so successful.

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  • Her first attempt „The English Roses,“ also toped the best sellers list.
Because her fans each bought multiple copies! They were encouraging each other to do so, both at the fan sites and at amazon.com

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  • Not bad for someone who had a supposed 'limited' shelf life.

    .... But I think her legacy spans further than that. As for those retractors that scoffed and remarked ‚she would be a has been within a years time,’ what a shock the past 20 or so years have been.
Other than a few journalists and Pat Benatar in the mid-1980s, I don't recall too many people saying her 'shelf life' was limited.

Madonna was already setting herself up to get pats on the back for longevity way back when: she said in one early or mid 80s interview that she was not a "flavor of the month."

I didn't know back then if she would last or not. All I knew is that I didn't like her and I wanted her to go away.

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  • Combining "pop" with "techno" and "dance" she cemented herself in the record books.
I thought Stoopid got some of that from Goldfrapp?

It's my understanding that the techno pop stuff was already a trend over in Europe, and all Madonna did was hire some of the producers who had worked on such albums before.

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  • From her criticism of President George W. Bush and the war in Iraq, to free speech, to gay rights, it is clear Madonna has a lot on her mind.
Shouting "Go suck George Bush's dick" is this author's idea of meaningful political dialogue or criticism of Bush? :laugh:

What, exactly, has Madonna said about the Iraq war?

Other than some very vague visual references to the Iraq war in her unreleased "American Life" video, and other than a few "I wish for world peace" type statements in her current world tour, where has Madonna given a thougtful explanation of her supposed dislike of coalition forces being in Iraq?

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  • She turned 47 years of age this year, and looks better than ever.
:laugh: See the "She looks ugly" thread at this board.

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  • As an artist, a woman, an activist, she has grown up too.
Putting aside the habit of some to tick off a list of Man-donna roles (singer! actor! mother! dancer! author! - etc), I wouldn't say that someone who flips people off at concerts (including Live 8) has grown up.

According to some news reports, she requests Kabbalah "ego candles" to help her fight her natural proclivity to be egotistical. She needs a candle to be less self-centered? That's maturity?

Wearing a leotard at age 48 in a music video is maturity (even if you believe she has a nice figure)?
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sounds like she had to have a dildo in one end, a bong in the other, and some LSD in the middle to write that crap.
Let's hope it wasn't for minimum wage.
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Not exactly a butt-kissing essay, but it is a barfy Madonna apologetic, so it's kinda the same thing in my book.

Why vilify Madonna's generosity? - by Carol Sarler, Oct 15, 2006

1. Nobody villifies Madonna for being "generous."

If she gives financial aid to charities, swell.

We are doubting Madonna's motives (and we're concerned about some of the ramifications of the adoption. Any kid from any part of the world being adopted by Madonna is a cause for concern, LOL... :laugh: ).

(And it's not as though Madonna has not given us reasons to question her motives. The woman does not have a sterling character and is known for being self-obsessed and not altruistic. The "material girl" monkier is fitting.)

A recent article pointed out that most of Madonna's financial aid goes to Berg's Kabbalah group, while she threw out only a little to AIDS charities and the like. Here's the link: Madonna: More Money to Kabbalah Than AIDS, Education

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  • October 04, 2006
    By Roger Friedman

    .... The newest tax filing for ... [Madonna's] Ray of Light Foundation shows she hasn’t given up on the Bergs yet. She gave their Spirituality for Kids branch $268,106 in 2005. Madonna donated another $184,250 to the Kabbalah Centre itself.

    And that’s what she’s reporting publicly and in the United States.
    .... What’s interesting about Madonna’s donations to the Bergs is that they far exceed anything she gives for music or education.

    Her donation to the Grammy Foundation’s MusiCares program — $2,500 — is laughable by comparison.

    The same goes for the sum she handed over for AIDS research in 2005 — $10,000 to AIDS Project Los Angeles, and $15,000 to the TJ Martell Foundation for Cancer Research.
2. The child Madonna is trying to adopt is not an orphan. He has a father and grandmother who placed him in the orphanage because they lack funds to care for the tot.

We are concerned about the outcome of her so-called "generosity," that is, taking a small boy away from his father and grandmother - when she could just as easily send the father checks to care for the boy.

Note I did not say or suggest that Madonna donate money to the nation as a whole (if she does, fine), but I am saying Madonna should donate the money to the father or the grandmother personally.

Ms. Sarler writes,
  • The only difference is that Madonna's fame, as with that of Misses Farrow, Jolie and Ryan, has made her an easier target for the snipers...
It's not Madonna's "fame" that makes her an "easy target," it's her lack of character, lack of scruples, and lack of integrity, which happen to get more notice because she put herself in the public eye.
(Also, Madonna is about as real as a plaid elephant.)

(I never asked to know about Madonna, or whether or not she's adopting any children. She was *thrust* on me by her celebrity and crammed down my throat going back to the 1980s, with the media playing her lap dog, thank you.)

Madonna, by the way, has given us all plenty of good reason to doubt and question her motives. We've posted numerous such examples at the Anti-Madonna Discussion Board of her questionable ethics and motives. I also discussed such issues at the Anti Madonna site.

Ms. Sarler doesn't seem to want to acknowledge that Madonna is a media darling and always has been. Stop painting Madonna as a victim of the mean ol' media.

Any criticism of Madonna in the media is rare.

The criticism Madonna is getting this time - regarding this adoption - is by and large, with very few exceptions, from a children's rights group in Malawi, and the media are simply repeating those criticisms - and not making them.

The author, Carol Sarler, writes
  • Even Jon Snow, who should know better, inquired whether this is a 'fashion', as if the labour involved in nurturing babies is akin to that of carrying a new handbag, and the consensus, from right and left, is that there is something sinister in Madonna's decision.
1. Madonna leaves the care of her kids up to nannies and personal assistants.

2. During her trip to Africa, Madonna dropped her kids, Lourdes and Rocco, off to be cared for by her ex-boyfriend.

This is strange when one remembers that Madonna dragged Lourdes and Rocco all over the world on her 2006 tour saying she likes to spend time with them.

The other reason Madonna gave for not bringing her tour to Australia is so that her little darlings would not miss school in Britain.

At other times when Madonna is too busy shooting music videos and attending social functions, the husband, Guy Ritchie, cares for them.

All of that does not appear to me as evidence that Madonna is an attentive parent.

(Notice that the birth of Lourdes coincided with the opening of her 1990s film Evita, so I've been told. Madonna *not* using her kids for publicity and as fashion accessories? How naive can one be?).

Lastly,
  • As a mother, however, based on what we know, she is diligent, hot on proper food and the banning of, say, improper TV...
Madonna is also a hypocrite, and I don't think she's a great mother, either.

She says, for instance, she will not allow her own children to watch television (afraid that they may be exposed to 'improper' material, and that their time will be wasted), yet -

1. She allowed her daughter Lourdes to participate in the televised raunchy MTV Video Music Awards show, where she had Lourdes trot out as a flower girl for Madonna's "wedding" to Britney Spears, in which Madonna and Spears kissed.

2. Related to point #1, Madonna does not mind exposing other people's children to her smut, such as her Justify My Love video from the early 1990s, the Like A Virgin video and MTV live performance in the 1980s, and so forth.

3. While Madonna prohibits her kids from having sweets, she brought seven cakes to the orphans in Russia during her recent visit. Madonna doesn't allow her own kids to have sweets, but she has no problem giving them to other people's children.

There are more examples of this kind of thing at the Anti Madonna Discussion board.

The author ends her piece by saying,
  • But what they really mean is that if you can't save a million, there's no point in saving one. And to that, I have nothing to say at all.
Complete straw man argument. Nobody "really means" that if one can't help all, one should not help even one.

The point is that *Madonna* apparently thinks that by 'saving one it's just as good as saving all,' when in the end the only one who will benefit - financially - is the boy she is adopting.

During her 2006 tour especially*, Madonna made a big "to-do" out of bringing attention to all starving, sick, poor Malawi children.

However, her efforts seem like a drop in a bucket for someone of her wealth. Adopting one child? Building a brain washing, tax write off facility in Malawi (i.e. Berg's Kabbalah Centre, which will assist 4,000 kids by teaching them Kabbalah).

Furthermore, the "Disco Cross"' act, with Madonna's being "nailed" to a mirror-covered "disco cross" while wearing a crown of thorns, which many Christians found offensive.

Offending Christians by besmirching their symbols and imagery, so the shoddy reasoning goes, is perfectly okay, as long as one flashes the URLs to charities while doing so.

Make no mistake; the "disco cross" bit was not about bringing awareness to a charity: it was an excuse to manufacture controversy to gain free publicity. Madonna has been doing this for literally years now.

Her quest to take a small boy is no different. Look at all the publicity Madonna has gotten from this, and don't tell me she didn't know she would not get the publicity.

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See my rebuttal to Sarler. It's right above this post.
Here's another writer, Raybon Kan, who doesn't get it.

Kan thinks money, food, and shelter are the end-all, be-all in the life of a child. Spoken like a middle class guy who is living in a nice, middle class apartment who's biggest worry in life is scoring a date for Friday night.

I'd like to remind this author: the boy Madonna is trying to adopt, David Banda, already has a father and a grandmother. Furthermore, the family wants David to stay with them. They simply cannot afford - financially - to look after the boy.

Wouldn't it be, Mr. Kan, a sign of true compassion and altruism for Madonna to provide resources to the boy's family so that not only is the boy's material needs met, but that the family be kept together rather than needlessly torn apart?

I get the uneasy feeling it wouldn't bother this Raybon Kan person at all if a child- molesting, puppy- killing, practicing Satanist adopts a baby, as long as the guy has a six figure (or more a year) income.

Hey, buddy?
There's a reason why adoption organizations take the couple's ethics and lifestyle into consideration when reviewing the couple and why they do not look only at their income.
Duh.

You can tell this guy's article is going to contain backwards morals and sloppy thinking when you see its opening lines, which are:
  • Everyone seems to be bagging Madonna for adopting an orphaned boy from Malawi.

    I don't see the problem.
How many times did you attend the COAD tour, Mr. Kan? Anyway, here's a link to his article:

Please Adopt Me Madonna

The title of the article itself should tip you off this is going to be bad.

Mr. Kan, did you take any of this information into consideration before you wrote your barfy defense of Madonna?

David Banda, the child Madonna supposedly wants to adopt, has a father who is a Christian.

David's father was lied to. He did not authorize his son to be adopted by Madonna. The workers at the orphanage, without consulting the father first and without his knowledge, told Madonna's people that David was available for adoption.

The father, confused and pressured by various people, relented and said he would allow the son to be adopted.

David's father wants his son raised as a Christian.

The father was lied to and was told by the orphanage workers (and I'm unsure of who else) that Madonna was a "nice Christian lady." Madonna is not nice, and she's not a Christian.

Kan, like so many of these Madonna apologists lately, raises a straw man argument:
  • Yet, the critics whine, but if Madonna hadn't flown the entire entourage to Malawi, she could build an entire orphanage there.
Honestly, I haven't seen a single critic make that point, so where is he getting that from?

Secondly, Madonna already is building an orphanage there in conjunction with Rabbi Berg's Kabbalah / Spirituality for Kids Foundation, and it's going to serve up to 400 children (some say the number is 4,000).

Given that Madonna is indeed building an orphanage, Mr. Kan, why would a critic fault her for not building one? :laugh:

Authors like this remind me of the people from years back who didn't understand why conservatives were upset with Clinton having sex with Lewinsky in the White House: "Character doesn't matter, and his private life doesn't matter!" they'd say. I consider such people clueless.

The author writes,
  • Personally, I would love to be adopted by Madonna.

    And I mean now, right now, today. I would love to be whisked away from my apartment, in my leaky building, from this laptop, and be forced to live in the English mansion with Guy and Rocco and Lourdes, as the odd-one-out showpony. Sure, there'd be some adjustments to make. But on the whole, my new life would offer more opportunity - and plain unusualness - adopted by Madonna, than not.
Response #1:

What does it profit a man to gain the whole world but to lose his own soul?

Response #2:
Also, Mr. Kan, you're what, in your 20s or 30s? We're talking about a boy, David, who is under two years old who has family who loves him and wants to keep him.

The author again,
  • But she [a woman who had been adopted] objected to celebrities doing the adopting. With celebrities, she felt, it was all about the parents feeling good.

    Well, easy for you to say, from your adoptive aircon adulthood. Luke Skywalker had issues meeting his birth father too. Get over it.
Well, you know, you doofus, there are plenty of wealthy, affluent, educated North American and British couples who have children of their own (not adopted) but their children are miserable:

Mommy and daddy spend more time at the office, playing golf, and being social luminairies than they do taking a genuine interest in the lives of those kids and spending time with them.

And then some of those kids then wind up turning to alcohol, sex, and drugs, and some may become deeply depressed and suicidal. Poor little rich girls and boys who have emotionally neglectful parents tend to find life meaningless.

And you'd wish that on a little baby from Malawi, all so he can live in a mansion and play games on an X-box, Playstation and Wii?

You may be in your 20s or 30s, Mr. Kan, but you seem to be mentally and emotionally 15 years old. (Maybe 12.)

Kan writes,
  • Celebrity spending is an easy target, because we all wish we were the chosen one,
Speak for yourself.

Unlike you, I'm not impressed by wealth and fame. I am not the least bit jealous that Madonna has millions and that her children have access to it.
  • Celebrity spending is an easy target...
Nobody is criticizing Madonna for spending money on orphans per se, or even spending money on tacky leotards for herself.

We are, I repeat again, questioning her motives and the ramifications of her actions. We recognize that actions have consequences, and that it matters.

In regards to spending habits, I will criticize Madonna for sending conflicting messages and the like:

Madonna spent six figures on a crystal-covered disco ball for her last tour (the "Confessions" Tour), and then, during that same tour, placed URLs to charity websites on a video monitor behind her.

Instead of spending a small fortune on a tacky concert prop, would it not have gone to better use being sent to those URLs she was advertising? You'd actually fault someone for pointing that kind of thing out?

At those same concerts, Madonna's stamp of approval was all over merchandise with her name stamped on it being sold at booths outside the concert.

Do you, Mr. Kan, think Madonna's fans donated money to the charities she flashed on the video montiors during her concert, or do you think they spent their $30 on a Madonna "Confessions Tour" t-shirt?

As someone who regularly skims the fan sites, let me tell you, their money goes to the Madonna trinkets.

Don't you find the timing a little too convenient for Madonna, Mr. Kan? Madonna has an upcoming televised concert deal with American television network NBC in November, and this month, she will begin publicity rounds for her new book, "The English Roses, Too Good To Be True."

Check your gullibility at the door, Mr. Kan: Madonna is out for herself, and is not out to make life better for David Banda or for African orphans. Madonna has a history of this behavior.

Mr. Kan again:
  • But it's not for us to spend Madonna's money. You make your own fortune as a pop star, then spend it how you want.
No kidding. I don't dispute that, even though Madonna spends, what was it, $10,000?, on a pair of crystal- lined false eye lashes (which she in fact did do), while she was promoting a tour that was supposed to be in support of AIDS infected African orphans (or so she claimed).

However, if you are a pop star who is, and has always been, a greedy, self- centered witch your entire life as she has been, including during your very public career, and then you go on afterwards to make an album ("American Life") preaching to the middle class and poor masses that we are the materialistic, greedy ones ... that pop star deserves to be called on her double standards, insincere posturing, and hypocrisy.
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All we can hope now is that Madonna adopts Britney's children as well.
What a horrible thing to say and to wish on any child. :bad:

If Madonna gets to adopt David, he'll be raised by nannies and butlers. Count on it. Whatever time he has with Madonna will be used for publicity shots. She may also find the time to instill terrible values into him.
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My replies to Raybon Kan, Carol Sarler are on the previous page, in posts before this one.

BTW, other pundits and reporters keep repeating the same arguments used by Sarler and Kan.
There was an overly- sarcastic editorial from some online British or Aussie rag the other night, spouting the same materialistic angle: 'Madonna is rich, the kid is lucky.'

If I can find the link again, I may edit this and post it.

As far as "Average Joe" comments on blogs go, while there seem to be more who are against the adoption than are for it, I keep seeing people who are in favor of it refer to David's situation as "winning the lottery" or "hitting the jackpot."

~Everything boils down to wealth for some people. Disgusting.

I remember when Madonna released her 'American Life' CD she preached to people that wealth can't buy happiness, and that all of us are too materialistic. :laugh:
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David's father, Yohane Banda, has said he used to ride on a bicycle to visit David at the orphange almost every day, and it was a 25-mile trip.

So none of these Madonna suck-ups can claim that he was a neglectful, uninterested parent. - Now that I've gotten that out of the way.

I see that the doting fans (or are they paid Madonna staff?) over at Drowned Madonna posted that overly-sarcastic article I was speaking of the other day, Madonna: How Dare She! - (by Naomi Toy)

It's another one of those
  • Who cares about Posted Image Posted Image or :)

    as long as Madonna has lots of :money: :money: :money:

    type of articles.
Naomi Toy declares:
  • Pass me a hammer and nails if she and husband Guy Ritchie make Swept Away 2 but here they actually appear to be trying to do something good [by trying to adopt David Banda].
Madonna has a new book to promote and a televised NBC concert coming up at this time.

What better way to get free publicity for that than trying to do something such as adopt a child (or give birth, marry or divorce, or start dating someone new - celebrities do that stuff all the time to get free PR)?

Excerpt from the article:
  • She's also committed another $1.5 million to making a documentary about the African nation's plight.
That's $1.5 million that could've been handed out to the people in Yohane Banda's area.

The documentary isn't about those children. It's about her. (And possibly Rabbi Berg, so his pockets can get filled with more money.)

Does it not occur to Ms. Toy that maybe Madonna got pregnant with daughter Lourdes around the time the Evita movie came out for the free publicity?

Another excerpt, one that contains incorrect information:
  • Like most children in Australia, David was put up for adoption by his biological family because they believed they couldn't raise him and another family could do a better job.
The family never put the boy up for adoption.

It was the staff at the orphange who did so, and the family didn't know it until Madonna made a move to adopt the baby.

The father, Johane, said he had wanted to get his son, David, back eventually and the orphange stay was temporary until he could afford to take care of David again. The family, including an Uncle, have spoken out against the adoption and said that Johane was 'taken advantage of.'

The author, again with incorrect information:
  • But it has been legally sanctioned - not only by Malawi's courts but also by the boy's father, Yohane.
And the reason some have referred to it as "legal kidnapping" is that the government brushed aside rules and laws that most people have to abide by.

Foreigners are not supposed to be permitted to adopt children from that nation, but some in the government there made a decision to exempt Madonna.

The father (and other relatives in the family) were misled. They didn't realize it was about a permanent adoption.

Nobody who is against Madonna and this adoption has denied that Madonna claims that she will be spending a few million in the future to build some kind of kiddie Kabbalah Center in Malawi (which is being referred to as an "orphanage").

If the thing actually gets built, and the kids get food, water, and shelter as a result, nobody would say that's a bad thing. (It will be good for Madonna too, because she'll get tax write-offs. She's so caring that way.)

Obviously if David lives with Madonna he'll have plenty of food to eat and more comfortable surroundings. Duh.

Most people, if given the choice, would most likely choose to live in a mansion as opposed to an orphanage with peeling paint.

I've never denied that the kid will have nicer, more, and better living conditions (concerning the necessities of life), nor have any of the anti-Madonna-adopts-David crowd.

Yet these Madonna cheerleaders keep dragging these points up, as this Ms. Toy does.

The author of that piece says,
  • It's been argued that instead of taking David from his home and buying him a $12,300 rocking horse, Madonna should have pumped her cash into his village to help the entire community and let them get on with it.
It seems ridiculous to you that $12,000 would be better spent on helping the poor than buying a toy, especially when it's someone who is posing as a humanitarian because she needs this "reinvention" for her career? And to get more money for her cult leader, Berg?

Anyway, there may be some who are against Madonna have said rather than spend money on David alone, she should spend X amount on the entire nation.

I have argued that if Madonna is truly a caring, concerned person, she'll do the right thing: which means giving financial assistance to David's father so that the father can keep his own son.

The father said he wanted to keep David; he never wanted to give him up.

But it seems to be okay with the Madonna apologists for someone to be a home wrecker as long as the Home Wrecker has a big bank account.

The author:
  • They've taken a child from a miserable, wretched existence and offered him a life full of hope and promise.
They've taken a child who was financially poor and may be offering him a miserable, wretched existence.

- A hollow life of partying, being vapid, screwing around, possibly getting into drugs and drink later, who will never know the Christianity his Christian father wanted him to know.

Continuing:
  • Her involvement has got people around the world talking about Malawi, where there are more than one million orphans and the average income is less than $1 a day.
All of us were already aware that people in many nations in Africa are poor. We really didn't need for Madonna to take a son from his father to make us aware of the issue.

Child traffickers who obtain children to sell off into prostitution have been made aware.

Poor children now look like another item in a department store, to pick and choose and purchase.

The author just glosses over tearing a family apart:
  • One of the things that seems to irk people is that David has a father who is alive and relatively well, which should have ruled him out of being considered for adoption if you accept some of the hysterical reaction.

    But there is nothing unusual about adopting a child whose parents are alive.
That's it? Her excuse is that it's "not unusual?"

Does she mean it's not unusual to see kids with living parents put up for adoption when the parents don't want the child, neglect the child, or who abuse the child? None of that was true in David's case.

I have better morals than Madonna. I could do a better job of raising Rocco Ritchie than Madonna could, so I should seek to gain adoption of Rocco. It doesn't matter if both of Rocco's parents are alive, I could do a far better job raising him.

Toy writes,
  • Those organisations would do better helping David settle in to his new life and assisting Madonna ensure he never forgets his heritage rather than perpetuating a tug-of-war over a little boy just to prove a point.
Settle into his new life, eh? A vapid, empty life.

It would be Madonna who is using a child as a pawn / object in a tug- of- war. She's using the boy as a Publicity Prop.
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The journalist who wrote this sludge, Jayne Dawson, hasn't been to this discussion board, that much is plain.

Otherwise, after reading our "Lourdes and Rocco" thread, "Madonna's a Hypocrite," "Madonna's a Pervert and Skanky 'Ho" etc. threads, she would not have dared to write some of the stuff she did:

Madonna's good record as a mum - by Jayne Dawson
  • Goodness knows, I'm no fan of Madonna. Most things about her annoy me, from her kaballah religion to her blokeish arms.Then there's the fact that she is no great shakes as a singer, and seems to talk in psycho-babble most of the time.
So far, so good, but then the writer starts in with,
  • But she seems to be okay as a mother, certainly no-one has ever suggested otherwise.
You haven't done much "googling," or spent much time on discussion boards where average folks talk about Manny, have you? Trust me, plenty of us do not think that Madonna is "okay" as a mother.

Continuing:
  • [Madonna has] banned [her biological children, Lourdes and Rocco] from any contact with both junk food and junk television.
Who wants a no-fun Neo Nazi (who actually admires Nazis) as a mother?

Madonna also bans (she claims) newspapers and magazines from her home. So her kids are growing up ignorant.

Not to mention both her kids do get to watch TV:

(1.) Madonna says she lets the kids pick at least one video (i.e., a DVD movie) to watch per week;

(2.) and since the daughter Lourdes, mentions having seen things that have been on TV, she must be watching more TV than we - or Madonna - thinks.

For example: Madonna had daughter Lourdes act as a "flower girl" at Madonna's MTV VMA "wedding" to Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera.

Madonna later said that Lourdes left the stage right before the 3-way kiss, which I guess, is supposed to imply that Lourdes didn't actually see the 3-way kiss.

However, a few months ago, Lourdes asked her Mom, 'Because you kissed Britney Spears on that awards show, are you homosexual?'

How did Lourdes find out about this televised event if she did not see it (in magazines, newspapers, or) on TV?

Dawson:
  • Why has Madonna suddenly been transformed from revered popstar to Wicked Witch of the West for wanting to adopt an African child?
Madonna has always been a "wicked witch" - hence, one big reason why we don't want her to adopt any children.

It's not that Madonna 'suddenly' became a wicked witch for trying to adopt a kid. She's always been a wicked witch.

Nobody "reveres" Madonna Ritchie except for liberal journalists (who comprise 99% of the media), feminist college professors, and Madonna's brain dead fans.

Then you have to look at the spoiled brat manner Madonna went about acquiring David Banda:

"I am the great Madonna who has millions. I don't have to follow the law or the rules other people do. I want a baby from a nation that does not permit such adoptions, but nobody can stop me. I am famous and wealthy, I get whatever I want."

Dawson:
  • Her critics would have us believe that Madonna is simply jumping on a celebrity fashion bandwagon
That's part of it. The other is, she wants the publicity.

Dawson:
  • It's impossible to believe that one of the most high profile women in the world would get away with anything other than decent behaviour towards her offspring,
Which is why she gets away with it!

Nobody believes that anyone can be so sick as to do "X" (exchange "X" for whatever disgusting thing Madonna has done, or is said to have done), so the reasoning goes, any bad things you hear about Madonna must be false.

Just one example:
This is a woman who has hinted at pedophilia in music videos and other deviant acts in her "Sex" book, and she gets away with it.

The media also aid Madonna.

I've already said that if Madonna gets to keep baby David, it will just be a matter of months to a year or so when most in the media change their tune to say, "How could we ever have doubted? Look at how well off David is!"

- especially when the Madonna PR- machine kicks into gear and Madonna gets her photos snapped while she's taking David out to nearby parks, Disney Land, or what have you.

(For an added bonus, the media will put a photo of an impoverished Malawi village right next to photos of Madonna pushing David Banda in a swing as he's wearing a Versace outfit.)

Also, the public has - and the media have -a short memory.

They tend to forget much of the negatives Madonna have done, and they spin the ones they do remember.

For instance, all the crotch-grabbing and the kissing of ten year old boys in music videos by Madonna is portrayed as being "empowering" for women or as "feminism" by her supporters.

None of the journalists have seriously investigated the allegations made by others that Madonna, while in her 20s, was having sex with Hispanic boys who were under age 18 back when she was in New York.

Charges of pedophilia, which have been made by biographers and other people (i.e., people who were Madonna's friends years ago), mean nothing to these people; instead they whine, 'how dare the critics speak out over this adoption fiasco.'

Dawson:
  • ... or that even a fabulously wealthy mother of two does not recognise the awesome responsibility of taking another child into her life.
She does not recognize the "awesome responsiblility..."

Madonna sees only the publicity she's going to get from it.

Further, she gets her nannies to take care of the kids.

So what responsibility does she really have, Ms. Dawson?

Dawson:
  • These things matter: those who are criticising, from their high moral ground,
You're absolutely right that we critics are on the high moral ground.

But supporters like this - Jayne Dawson and others - are the ones who act smug and morally superior when they launch into their "you critics don't really care about the little boy's fate, but we do!" mantras.

- Obviously we critics do care, which is why we have spoken up. Duh.

According to some news accounts, Madonna is breaking the law (with the help of some government workers) to adopt a baby, and the critics don't just brush aside important issues such as that all because Madonna is loaded and can buy the baby designer footie pajamas.

And for the billionth time, the critics know that David will have a better life as far as material possessions go, should he stay with Madonna. We're not contesting that.
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Notice how these sycophants try to make their pieces respectable by proclaiming "Lord knows I'm no fan of Madonna, but...."? :ask:
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I wanted to read why I'm so incredibly wrong to criticize laws being broken - as it's been said in the news - so Madonna can adopt a kid, but this page will not load, only the side bars:

Madonna's Critics Are So Wrong

BTW, that page is from an Australian source, I believe.

I've noticed that a fair share of these positive articles about her are coming from Oz. Any Aussies who hate Maddona want to log in and explain what is up with that?

The Brits are kind of bad. Seems like 2/3 are neutral or critical of Man-donna but 1/3 are in support of, and when these people - British and Aussie - are in support of Madonna, they write these overly positive, incredibly one-sided
  • 'Madonna can do no wrong, how dare you criticize her, you're not entitled to an opinion and if you don't like her adopting a baby, I just know you hate babies and puppies too, and I'm not going to include any of the perfectly good arguments others have raised against Madonna in my article'
drivel.
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"Huffington Post" is a liberal type blog, so it really pains me to visit there to refute a bit of what this guy there has written.

I don't know if this makes a difference to anyone or not, but the man who wrote this is black (his photo is at the top of the page).

Madonna Cast An Ugly Glare on Africa's Orphan Tragedy
  • Oct 2006
    by Earl Ofari Hutchinson

    [snip lengthy introduction which goes into detail about how harsh life in Africa can be]

    ... As one of the world's best-known superstars that legions of Paparazzi jump over each other to record a sneeze from her [Madonna], she hardly needs to snatch an African child to grab some camera action
And that comment above is precisely why I added 'Lesson Number Two' to the "Madonna 101 for Journalists" thread.

Madonna can never have too much publicity. She loves it. She still seeks it. Why else do you think she goes along with Warner Bros. to pose for publicity photos to promote her records?

Why is she going to be going on a public relations tour in a few weeks to promote her new book, The English Roses Too Good To Be True?

Hmm, because she can't get enough publicity - even when the weenies in the media insist on covering every hair color change she makes.

This one line sums up the content of about 3 long paragraphs he wrote:
  • That [list of stereotypes about black children adopted by white families being "problem chldren"] subtly reinforces the notion that black homes are the only place that can provide the children a loving, nurturing and culturally correct upbringing.
I don't know if most people are objecting to the differences in skin color between Madonna and David Banda, or, if some are, that's only one of the reasons people are objecting to the adoption.

Continuing:
  • Countless studies have shown that the race of the adopting parent has little to do with whether an adopted child matures into a healthy, emotionally secure, adult.
Okay, but -

The author focuses on a white woman adopting a black child, so he seems to be missing the point.

It's not just that David Banda is black and Madonna is white: Madonna was raised in the U.S.A. and is living in Britain now, while David was born in Malawi.

Another issue: David's father is still alive.

I just posted an article yesterday that had a few interviews in it with people who grew up in the same situation as David -

- one guy was born in India and adopted by a white, middle class British family
who says it was difficult being a Non-British adopted kid in Britain.

If I recall correctly, this guy didn't even mention skin color.

I pesonally don't care if black people adopt whites, or vice versa.
  • Madonna deserves props not jeers for casting the ugly glare on Africa's orphan tragedy. The pity is that more haven't done the same.
These aren't enough? -
  • > Live Aid

    > Live 8

    > Bob Geldof,

    > Bono,

    > George W. Bush,

    >TonyBlair,

    > Angelina Jolie,

    > UNICEF

    - and frequent news coverage about -

    > fighting and food shortages in the Sudan, Darfur,

    > Sally Struthers

    > Christian Children's Fund commercials aired every day of the week

    > Nelson Mandela / black farmers in South Africa

    > Updates on number of African AIDS cases regularly reported in American newspapers

    > newspapers and nightly TV news doing stories about famine in Africa

    > Tutsis and Hutus

    > Ivory Coast, France sending in troops
This one is not reported as frequently, but it pops up every so often:
  • > Black Christians being persecuted by Muslims in Sudan
Before Madonna, we Americans were hearing plenty about orphans, starvation, famine, drought, and fighting in Africa.

I didn't realize we needed Madonna to educate the ignorant American public that there are poor and sick people in Africa! ( :rolleyes2: )
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First it was said that critics have to give $50 million (or whatever the amount is) to Malawi before they can opine on all this, now I'm reading we critics have to adopt a baby boy from Malawi before we can have a view point (it's implied):

Africa: What Others Say - Give Madonna All Africa's Orphans
  • Oct 19, 2006
    Charles Onyango-Obbo Nairobi

    .... And, as they campaign that Banda should remain in Malawi, the children of the fat cats who head these NGOs [Non Government Organizations] are probably going to the best private schools in Malawi and abroad. And possibly none of these people has adopted an orphan.
Um, supporters of Madonna? Hello? This next point is on the side of the critics, not on the side of the supporters:
  • The reality is that babies, as The Times notes, have become Africa's fastest growing export. They haven't been attended by the kind of protests we have seen over the adoption of Banda because, well, Madonna was not adopting them.
Exactly!

The other celebrities who have adopted foreign babies

(1.) seem to genuinely care for the kids they adopt, and

(2.) none of the other celebrities have been as publicly slutty and crass as Madonna;

(3.) none of the other celebrites are portrayed as being trend setters - Madonna is though, so yeah, you gotta wonder if Madonna views adopting an African kid as just another trendy thing to do;

(4.) I don't believe the other celebrities skirted the law in order to get their babies, unlike Madonna;

(5.) I haven't heard that Jolie, Meg Ryan, and all the rest paid $3 million dollars to purchase their kid / using bribery to get a baby;

I had a couple of other points, but I've forgotten what they are :laugh:
  • The value of the current noise is it gives critics some good easy publicity, but they cannot claim that they have only just discovered that Westerners are snapping up African children. This therefore isn't about "baby" Banda per se.
I realize this author is talking only of the NGOS and not all critics. Nonetheless, I wanted to address this.

I can't speak for all the critics, but yes, it is all about David Banda to me.

Okay, let me get this straight: this guy is arguing that the [NGO] critics of the adoption are publicity hungry?

Excuse me, but how many of those critics have an upcoming kiddie book coming out, The English Roses Too Good To Be True?

Madonna has spent 20+ years of her career chasing after publicity, and I'm supposed to believe that a bunch of 'nobodies' who work everyday kinda jobs are just trying to get face time on TV? Ah, right, sure.
  • There's also a lot of liberal Western guilt over the adoption of African children,
If he means liberal as in political / liberal vs. conservative - oh yeah, I'm such a liberal! (NOT.) :laugh:
  • Had Banda been a poor Romanian child, the adoption would have raised less dust.
WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!

If Madonna had adopted a white kid, you bet I'd still be objecting.
  • Madonna's charity is setting up an orphanage for up to 4,000 children, and the singer has said she wants to raise at least $3 million (Sh216m) for programmes to support Aids orphans.
Mm-hmm, she's promised to give them $3 million. Even if she does, that was just a bribe so she could buy David.

-- PS.-- Thank you, though, Mr. Nairobi, for not bringing up the old chestnut about "What's so wrong about Madonna adopting David when he came from such an impoverished background and she has millions and can buy him anything?"
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Okay, let me get this straight: this guy is arguing that the [NGO] critics of the adoption are publicity hungry?

That's funny, 'cause I heard that tool Perez went on some Fox show for the express purpose of defending his idol...
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Rosie DiMannos' article is responded to about half-way down in this post, while D. Parvaz's article is responded to towards the end - far, far below

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That's funny, 'cause I heard that tool Perez went on some Fox show for the express purpose of defending his idol...

Oh, you're saying that a Madonna adoption supporter (a MAS - I'm lazy :laugh: ) will be getting publicity off the whole thing?

(I visited PerezHilton.com earlier, and yes, the guy who runs it is a proponent of famous, immoral trollops buying kids.)

Nobody's interviewing me. I don't do this to get any kind of publicity. I've been ripping on her since I was like 12 years old, and I made the anti-Madonna site in 2003, long before she adopted David.

Some of you here have disliked Madonna since the 1980s, too. We didn't just spring up over night upset about this adoption.

You're right, 1NF. Excellent point. The MAS are getting publicity off this.

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RESPONSE TO ROSIE DIMANNO
Why All The Backlash Over Madonna, Baby?
  • by ROSIE DIMANNO
    Oct 20, 2006

    For my money, it's heartening so see a healthy infant in the news, one whose only claim to notoriety is that perhaps he might be too blessed — like, that's a bad thing — with a biological father who cares enough, is unselfish enough, to let him go and a prospective mother of abundant means who wants very much to take that babe to her bosom.
(1.) Madonna is being selfish. Rather than donating funds to the father to keep the boy with him, she wants him all to herself.

(2.) David's father, Yohane Banda, sounds like he wants financial gain out of it. As I remarked before:
  • Unfortunately, I think that David Banda's father, Johane, may now be viewing giving up his son as a financial investment, which is why he would be "blasting the charities who are opposing the adoption." :( :money:

    Adoption by Madonna, rain check for boy's father
    By ANI
    Thursday October 19, 02:09 PM

    Washington, Oct 19(ANI): The father of Madonna's newly adopted son, insists that he wasn't sad to see his son leave, as the popstar would be coming back to visit him with the 13-month-old in three or four year's time.

    Yohane Banda, who is a poor illiterate farmer, also believes that his son would definitely persuade his new parents to lend financial support to him [ :money: ], when he is old enough to understand the poverty ridden conditions into which he was born.

    "I'm not really missing Davie because we have agreed with Madonna that he will visit us in three or four year's time. I am not asking for anything from Madonna, but when Davie grows up and is brought here and sees our poverty, he will certainly ask his mum to help," [ :money: ] Contactmusic quoted him as saying.
(3.)As another journalist, Martina Devlin, pointed out,
  • Clearly the financial might-is-right approach has been used here. The implications are that because she is fabulously wealthy, David Banda's family ought to thank their lucky stars he was chosen. It unsettles me, though.

    I have no difficulty with Madonna adopting through the proper channels, but the sight of that baby bundled out of his homeland - she didn't even collect him herself but sent an employee - leaves me with a rash of unanswered questions.

    Is money the only criterion for adoption? Is wealth an automatic green light? Were proper checks overlooked because she is rich and famous? Why didn't she opt for a baby with no surviving parents?

    We were on the receiving end of the cash-is-king attitude to adoption ourselves in the 1950s, when the Catholic Church sold 'unwanted' babies to north America and Australia.

    Subsequently questions have been asked about why adoptive parents didn't use their spending power to help a parent hold on to its child instead of taking it away from its home. But that requires selflessness, doesn't it.

    Inter-country adoptions don't happen without cash transactions, even if the bill is disguised as a donation to the orphanage or a fee to cover expenses.

    You can be sure that someone somewhere has received a pay-off. Birth parents can be leaned on to surrender their babies by governments reluctant to pay for support networks to allow people keep their children, as we saw in Romania.

    These 'abandoned' babies are then available for adoption by the cash cows. Us.

    SO how do we feel about that? Do we convince ourselves the advantages offered to the children we adopt in such circumstances outweigh the fact, in some cases, we've gone on a shopping trip and purchased a little cutie?
Here's another "You must donate money" or "You must adopt a kid yourself" before- you're- allowed- to- have- an- opinion kind of statement:
  • Those flagellating Madonna might want to consider putting their money where their mouthy spleen is. You know, there's much to be said for saving the world, one child at a time.
Nobody has a problem with a person "saving a child." So why even bring that up?

Rosie Dimanno:
  • Yet the world is preoccupied with a private matter of adoption...
Madonna planned to get all the publicity. She lives, eats, and breathes for publicity. (See the "Madonna 101 For Journalists" thread).

Rosie Dimanno:
  • rushing to judge and intervene, because a woman who happens to be filthy rich and notably narcissistic might want simply to add to her small family by adopting a child from a Malawi orphanage. Since when is this a moral felony?
Yes, she's narcissistic, and that's a problem. Madonna thinks only of herself.

She doesn't have the kind of self sacrificing love a real mother would give. Her kids spend most of their time with nannies, as well.

Madonna did not bother to fly to Africa to get baby David herself but sent staff to do so.

Shortly after David arrived in Britain at the Ritchie residence, what happened?

Madonna went out to her pilates class for an hour and a half or longer, and her husband went for a bike ride. It's strange behavior for new parents of a child who claim they've been wanting that baby for months.

These Pollyannas such as Ms. Dimanno just want to see it in a simple formula:

(financially) poor baby gets adopted by rich lady, we should celebrate.

That's it, that's all to these people. It's as though they're incapable of more complex thinking or seeing beyond the obvious to the deeper issues.

There's more to consider here than "poor baby gets to live in big mansion."

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Madonna's adoption of David is not a crass act By D. PARVAZ

This guy (or lady?) "feels the need to defend Madonna." :roll:

Oh no you don't.

Madonna's mythology - which is protected by journalists such as you - is that she's strong, powerful, and an independent woman who doesn't need nothin' from nobody, including your defense.

The only points I will address... Mr. (or is it Ms.?) Parvaz writes,
  • Another oft-repeated criticism is that the singer should have just given Banda the money to raise his own son rather than separate father and son. Fair enough. But why do we only require this from Madonna?
Uh, we critics of the adoption do not require two different sets of standards - that is the whole point.

We're the ones saying everyone should have to abide by the same rules, but people such as you say it's okay to bend rules because Madonna is a millionaire and the boy was destitute.

Everyone should have to go through the same laws and procedures as everyone else.

However, Madonna was exempted from that, or the Malawi government brushed aside their laws, because Madonna has lots of money (which is all you supporters care about).

I have a problem with ANYONE who has the financial means to aid a father so that the father can keep his son but who instead takes the son away from the father.

It would bother me just as much if "Average Joe" did this. It would bother me just as much if Angelina Jolie did it. If Angelina Jolie did in fact do it as well, then I think she too is a piece of scum.

And by the way Mr. Parvaz? -
The father of David Banda said specifically that he wants his son to be raised with CHRISTIAN VALUES. He did not say he wants his son to be raised as a Berg-Kabbalist.

Mr. Yohane Banda was lied to (that doesn't seem to matter to you at all!) and was told that the woman who wanted David (Madonna) is a Christian - but she is not a Christian!

It would be like telling a Jewish parent that his child is going to live with observant Jews but the kid actually is going to be raised by atheists or moderate Muslims (the other sorts of Muslims would kill the Jewish child).

Because so many of you journalists are leftists who despise Christians and Christianity, here's a crash course of sorts for you:

Berg-Kabbalah and Bible- based, traditional Christianity are totally incompatible.

Duh. :dunce:
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Leave Madonna's Baby
  • by Steven Nhlane, 21 October 2006

    .... For your information, Madonna is not just another musician that would want to make one suspect she wants to get fame out of the adoption. She doesn’t need it because she already has fame and wealth.
For your information, Madonna has not retired from show business, and she still has an addiction to media coverage.

You may not think she needs more publicity, but she would not agree with you. She still thinks she needs it - and more importantly, she still wants it.

Further, she still seeks publicity when hawking new products. When her recent "Confessions" record was released, she appeared on many TV shows promoting it, by wearing tacky leotards, dancing around, and lip synching.

Madonna will be promoting a new book she wrote, and she'll be promoting it within the next two months.

Madonna is also making a documentary about her trip to purchase a child from Malawi. Even if she does not make any money off of said documentary, she will love having her face on the movie screen.

So please, stop being so naive about Madonna's never ending hunger for publicity and fame. That is what she lives for.
  • Excuse me. Rights bodies should not forget that their role is to fight for the rights of the people including fighting against oppressive and archaic laws that trample on people’s rights. The famous law HRCC is invoking actually needs to be scraped from the Constitution.
That doesn't change the fact that it is in place, and it looks as though Madonna violated it.

I don't see how taking a son away from his father solves the oppression the Malawis face.

Madonna could have given the father of David a few bucks, and that way the child could have remained with his family. Instead, she takes the selfish route and runs off with the kid so she can keep him all to herself - for future publicity shots, of course.

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Comment: Sarah Carey: Don't preach at Madonna
  • They were all at it during the week — all the sanctimonious tut-tutters using the airwaves to complain about Madonna adopting David Banda, a 13-month-old boy ...
You mean like the "sanctimonious tut-tutters" such as yourself ignoring some of the facts of the adoption case - facts which would hurt Madonna's side?

-and-

You mean like the "sanctimonious tut-tutters" such as yourself printing nauseating after nauseating favorable, sometimes saccharine, maudlin columns about what a great mother skanky Madonna is and how wonderful it is a destitute boy was snatched from his daddy by a millionaire?

It goes both ways, sister.

~~~ EDIT ~~~

The author of this piece misses the point-

Malawi's other orphans: The children Madonna left behind
  • Oct 22, 2006

    Nobody is expecting a rush of copycats swarming to Malawi in search of their own baby David. Overseas adoption is rare in sub-Saharan Africa and there has been no notable increase in the past fortnight.
Maybe or maybe not, but it doesn't change the fact that the laws were broken specifically for Madonna.

Madonna is not above the law

- even if she's supposedly doing a "good deed."

BTW, it's assinine to argue it's okay to break the law if it's for a good deed, (depending on the specific situation, and this is not one of those situations), especially since Madonna could have given financial aid to the father so that the father could raise his own son.

Anyway, someone who is truly good and is doing a good deed would abide by the law and go about things honestly.

Even should the courts and/or the Malawi government decide in Madonna's favor later on (and watch as the fans cheer, "See it was legal, it was legal!"), the "adoption" still had a questionable, seedy, underhanded background and begnning to it.

The courts declaring (and after the deed has been done, no less) that it is legal now (or was at the time) does not necessarily mean it was legal, or that it was kosher.

What about all the idiot judges we have in the U.S.A .who let proven pedophiles off with very light sentences (only two months in jail for a pervert having raped a seven year old girl, for example)?

Sometimes the courts the world over do not always do the legal, right, common sense, or honest thing.

I beg to differ with this author: Madonna adopting a kid from Malawi may or may not start a horde of white, middle class people who want to adopt a kid from Malawi, but, as had been observed before, the child traffickers - who view children as commodities for sexual services - will be sure to notice.

Finding children for pedophiles to have sex with is big business in places such as Thailand.

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