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The Hurricane Thread
Topic Started: Aug 28 2005, 12:16 AM (916 Views)
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I renamed this thread from "USA Weather" to "Hurricane Katrina"

-- EDIT, updates towards bottom of post --

New Orleans braces as Hurricane Katrina bears down

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  • NEW ORLEANS, La., Aug 28 (Reuters)

    Officials in the low-lying city famed for its Mardi Gras parades urged residents to evacuate and stranded tourists to shelter on at least the third floor of their hotels as Katrina threatened to make a second and possibly more deadly assault on the U.S. coast after killing seven people in Florida.

    "I think there is a very good possibility it will indeed get stronger," Max Mayfield, director of the U.S. National Hurricane Center, told WSVN television in Miami.
Katrina now Category 4 storm

~ Aug 28, 2005 ~

I thought I just saw a news heading saying that Katrina is now a category 5 (five) storm, but the news page was automaticallyl updated, so I lost that. Here are some more links about Katrina.

I used to live in New Orleans, glad I don't anymore.

Experts expect Katrina to turn New Orleans into Atlantis

Big Easy evacuates ahead of Katrina

Mandatory Evacuation Ordered for New Orleans as Storm Nears - NY Times


Excerpt from NY Times:
  • Published: August 28, 2005

    Threatened with a potential catastrophe, the mayor of New Orleans ordered people in the city to evacuate today as Hurricane Katrina gained strength. President Bush has already declared an emergency for Louisiana and Mississippi, which along with other parts of the northern Gulf coast states lie in the direction of the hurricane.

    The city's distinct terrain makes it particularly vulnerable to the storm surges, heavy rains and high winds of a hurricane. With more than a million people in its suburbs and center, the city is surrounded on three sides by water, and lies below sea level in a bowl-shaped basin. Pumps would fail if the storm surge of up to 25 feet overwhelmed the city's levees.
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It's also expected to spawn other storms in its wake inland.

I heard a report the other day that the U.S. has the most violent weather in the world.
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Aug 28 2005, 10:41 AM
It's also expected to spawn other storms in its wake inland.

I heard a report the other day that the U.S. has the most violent weather in the world.

I didn't realize you did a reply to the first post in this thread. I added some updated, new links about the storm, in the first post. I thought I saw one that said Katrina is now up to a Category 5 storm.

Some of the surrounding areas outside of Louisiana could use the rain, so that's at least one positive thing to come of it.
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This is all horrible. I hope everybody down there is safe.
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Aug 28 2005, 11:41 AM
I heard a report the other day that the U.S. has the most violent weather in the world.

Hmmm, I don't know if that's true. I would imagine that countries like Japan and other places in Asia have more violent weather with all of the typhoons (and earthquakes).
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Update(s) towards bottom of post

The hurricane is headed a tiny bit futher east than originally projected. New Orleans has lost electricity. Katrina is also supposed to affect parts of Mississippi.

Hurricane Katrina slams Louisiana coast

Hurricane Katrina Lashes Louisiana After New Orleans Evacuation Bloomberg

Blog on weather from New Orleans -USA Today


From USA Today:
  • A rip in the Superdome roof. WDSU television reporter Ed Reams is reporting on a potentially dangerous situation developing in the Superdome. As thousands of people sit inside the emergency shelter, the winds have torn open a section of roof.

    .... With heavy rainfall anticipated inland, flood watches have been posted for all of Mississippi and Alabama, as well as parts of Louisiana, Tennessee and Georgia. Heaviest rainfall today will be along the storm track through eastern Louisiana and southern Mississippi, where up to 9 inches of rain will be possible.
Reuters:
  • Weather forecasters said Katrina may veer just east of New Orleans and head towards neighboring Mississippi, where strong winds were already building.

    In Baton Rouge, officials said three people from a New Orleans nursing home had died during their evacuation to a Baton Rouge church. They said they were among nearly two dozen people from the home who were on a bus stuck in traffic for hours during the 80 mile (125 km) trip.

    ... Weather experts had warned of a possible storm surge as high as 28 feet (8.5 metres), enough to damage or destroy thousands of homes and leave 1 million people homeless.

    New Orleans is nearly surrounded by water, including Lake Pontchartrain and the Mississippi, and about 70 percent of it lies below sea level, protected only by a series of levees.

    Mayor Ray Nagin, who ordered a mandatory evacuation, warned the predicted storm surge could push water over the levees and flood the city, including its historic French Quarter.
Those poor old folks - well, I'm assuming they were senior citizens - (i.e., "In Baton Rouge, officials said three people from a New Orleans nursing home had died during their evacuation to a Baton Rouge church"). :cry:
I heard that Biloxi (spelling?) Mississippi was the hardest hit.
Katrina Pummels Mississippi's Gulf Coast; Weakens Over Land

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  • Aug. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Hurricane Katrina pummeled the Mississippi Gulf Coast with winds as high as 140 mph before weakening as it moved across the state and toward Tennessee. New Orleans was spared a direct hit.

    The center of Katrina, now a Category 1 storm with winds of 75 mph, was about 30 miles (51 kilometers) northwest of Laurel, Mississippi, moving to the north at about 18 mph (29 kph), according to the National Hurricane Center at 4 p.m. local time. The storm, which pushed oil prices to a record, knocked out power to hundreds of thousands along the Gulf Coast.

    Katrina moved through southern Mississippi on a path that will bring the storm into western Tennessee by tomorrow. The storm's surge caused flooding, trapped people in buildings and caused an unspecified amount of damage, Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour said today.

    ... Kentucky Tomorrow

    The projected three-day path for the storm shows it crossing into Kentucky by 1 p.m. tomorrow and into the Great Lakes region a day later.

    Areas of Harrison and Hancock counties, on the Gulf Coast, are under water, Barbour said. Water was reported as high as the second floor of the Beau Rivage Hotel and Casino in Biloxi, the Sun-Herald reported on its Web site. There are no casualty or property damage estimates yet and officials can't go rescue people trapped until the winds die down, Barbour said.
~~ Aug 30, 2005 Update ~~

Katrina Kills 54 in Mississippi, Swamps Gulf Coast
  • Aug. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Hurricane Katrina killed at least 54 people after slamming the U.S. Gulf Coast with winds as high as 140 miles per hour yesterday, causing severe flooding in four states. As many as 80 may have died, Mississippi Governor Haley Barbour said, the Associated Press reported.

    The center of Katrina, now downgraded to a tropical storm with sustained winds of about 50 miles (80 kilometers) an hour, was about 35 miles northeast of Tupelo, Mississippi at 4 a.m. local time, the National Hurricane Center said on its Web site.

    The storm, which left more than a million people without power, was moving toward the north-northeast at about 18 mph on a path that would take it across central Tennessee and Kentucky today.

    .... At least 50 people may have died in Harrison County, which is on the coast, Pollard said, citing a ``preliminary report.''

    .... The streets of New Orleans, Louisiana, are flooding after a 200-foot (60-meter) long breach of a levee in the city at the 17th Street Canal where water was spilling over, Trooper Markus Smith, a spokesman for Louisiana state police, said in a telephone interview today. The Tulane University Hospital and the Charity Hospital were preparing to evacuate, he said.

    Waters began to rise after 11 p.m. yesterday, increasing at one point at a rate of about an inch every five minutes, Tulane University Hospital Vice President Karen Troyer-Carpenter told Bloomberg in an interview. By shortly before 4 a.m., the building was surrounded by four feet of water, with the level rising at a slower pace and encroaching on the center's emergency power generators, she said.

    There was no official casualty toll for the greater New Orleans area yet, though police were expecting a number of fatalities and injuries, Smith said.

    Most of the city was flooded with levels ranging from ankle deep to as high as 15 feet (4.6 meters), the height of many roof linings, Lieutenant Kevin Cowan, spokesman for the Louisiana Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness, said on the telephone early today.
~~ Aug 30 - Update 2 ~~

New Orleans and parts of Mississippi are in even worse shape than I first thought (I think Mobile, Alabama was also hit??).

Some areas of New Orleans are under 20 feet of water and dead bodies have been seen floating around the streets. New Orleans is without clean water and electricity.

Katrina's Staggering Blow - Washington Post

Katrina Devastates US Gulf Coast, Killing Dozens

From Blomberg:
  • Aug. 30 (Bloomberg) -- Hurricane Katrina devastated parts of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama, killing dozens of people, cutting off power to 2 million and leaving most of New Orleans flooded by water as deep as 20 feet. U.S. and state officials say it may be the nation's worst natural disaster.
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New Orleans mayor orders looting crackdown
  • Thousands feared dead from Katrina's wrath; stadium evacuation begins

    NEW ORLEANS - Mayor Ray Nagin ordered 1,500 police officers to leave their search-and-rescue mission Wednesday night and return to the streets of the beleagured city to stop looting that has turned increasingly hostile.

    “They are starting to get closer to heavily populated areas — hotels, hospitals and we’re going to stop it right now,” Nagin said in a statement to The Associated Press.

    With thousands feared drowned in what could be America’s deadliest natural disaster in a century, New Orleans’ leaders all but surrendered the streets to floodwaters Wednesday and began turning out the lights on the ruined city — perhaps for months.

    Gunfire crackled sporadically and looters by the hundreds roamed the streets, ransacking tiny shops and big-box stores alike with impunity.

    “We know there is a significant number of dead bodies in the water,” and other people dead in attics, Nagin said earlier Wednesday. Asked how many, he said: “Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands.”

    If the mayor’s death-toll estimate holds true, it would make Katrina the worst natural disaster in the United States since at least the 1906 San Francisco earthquake and fire, which have blamed for anywhere from about 500 to 6,000 deaths. Katrina would also be the nation’s deadliest hurricane since 1900, when a storm in Galveston, Texas, killed between 6,000 and 12,000 people.

    Army works to close levees

    With most of the city under water, Army engineers prepared to plug New Orleans’ breached levees with giant sandbags, and authorities drew up plans to clear out the tens of thousands of people left in the Big Easy and practically abandon the below-sea-level city.

    Starting Wednesday afternoon, 25,000 storm refugees, many holed up in the New Orleans Superdome, began boarding buses that would evacuate them to the Astrodome in Houston, 350 miles away.

    There will be a “total evacuation of the city. We have to. The city will not be functional for two or three months,” Nagin said. And he said people would not be allowed back into their homes for at least a month or two.

    Bush: ‘It's devastating’

    President Bush flew over the ravaged city and parts of Mississippi’s hurricane-blasted coastline in Air Force One. Turning to his aides, he said: “It’s totally wiped out. ... It’s devastating, it’s got to be doubly devastating on the ground.”

    ... The federal government dispatched helicopters, warships and elite SEAL water-rescue teams in one of the biggest relief operations in U.S. history, aimed at plucking residents from rooftops in the last of the “golden 72 hours” rescuers say is crucial to saving lives.

    .... Before Nagin's order to crack down on looters, police said their first priority remained saving lives, and mostly just stood by and watched. On Tuesday, an officer who tried to intervene was shot in the head and critically wounded.

    Hundreds of people wandered up and down shattered Interstate 10 — the only major freeway leading into New Orleans from the east — pushing shopping carts, laundry racks, anything they could find to carry their belongings.

    .... Hundreds of people appeared to have spent the night on a crippled highway.

    Hundreds more were lined up as the first of some of the 500 buses to be provided by the federal government arrived at the stadium. With the air-conditioning knocked out, the Superdome has become stifling, its toilets are broken and there is nowhere for the refugees to bathe.

    .... In addition to the Astrodome solution, the Federal Emergency Management Agency was considering putting people on cruise ships, in tent cities, mobile home parks, and so-called floating dormitories.

    .... Around midday, officials with the state and the Army Corps of Engineers said the water levels between the city and Lake Pontchartrain had equalized, and water had stopped spilling into New Orleans, and even appeared to be falling. But the danger was far from over.

    The Army Corps of Engineers said it planned to use heavy-duty Chinook helicopters to drop 15,000-pound bags of sand and stone as early as Wednesday night into the 500-foot gap in the failed floodwall.

    But the agency said it was having trouble getting the sandbags and dozens of 15-foot highway barriers to the site because the city’s waterways were blocked by loose barges, boats and large debris.

    In Washington, the Bush administration decided to release crude oil from the federal petroleum reserves after Katrina knocked out 95 percent of the Gulf of Mexico’s output. But because of the disruptions and damage to the refineries, gasoline prices surged above $3 a gallon in many parts of the country.

    ... In Mississippi, for example, ambulances roamed through the passable streets of devastated places such as Biloxi, Gulfport, Waveland and Bay St. Louis, in some cases speeding past corpses in hopes of saving people trapped in flooded and crumbled buildings.

    A 30-foot storm surge in Mississippi wiped away 90 percent of the buildings along the coast at Biloxi and Gulfport, leaving a scene of destruction that Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour said was “like there’d been a nuclear weapon set off.”

    Many areas were “absolutely obliterated,” he told NBC’s “Today” show, making it tough for rescue crews.
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Okay, where's the outpouring of love, empathy, and financial aid to the USA? We Americans donate billions in foreign aid, risk our lives (i.e. our military personnel) to defend or bring liberty to other nations.

So far, I've heard only of

- support from individual Canadians;
- Vicente Fox pledging aid (on behalf of Mexico);
- Israel, sending ANYTHING requested, and Israeli doctors will be coming

Sharon offers U.S. immediate Israeli help to Katrina victims

Anyone else know if other nations are chipping in or anything??

Maybe more are mentioned in this article? -
Foreign governments line up to help after Katrina - Reuters UK

Okay, I just saw this:
Europe to send emergency oil to US to ease crisis -Reuters UK

However, this article says there may be strings attached for this aid
  • Sept 2, 2005

    Europe will dip into its emergency stocks of gasoline to help the United States through an energy crisis that began when Hurricane Katrina smashed into Gulf coast refiners, EU governments said on Friday.

    Spain and Germany said they were ready and able to send fuel across the Atlantic in an operation coordinated by the West's energy watchdog, the International Energy Agency. A U.S. government official confirmed Washington had asked for help and said most of the gasoline would come from Europe.

    EU nations have watched in horror as the world's richest country struggles with the aftermath of Katrina. Thousands are feared dead and troops in the flooded city of New Orleans have been told to shoot-to-kill to crack down on looting.

    .... But Europe's pledge of gasoline may carry a political price for Washington. Differences over trade and foreign policy have strained relations between the United States and some EU member states including Germany and France.
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http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9161198/

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WASHINGTON - In a dramatic turnabout, the United States is now on the receiving end of help from around the world as some two dozen countries offer post-hurricane assistance.

Venezuela, a target of frequent criticism by the Bush administration, offered humanitarian aid and fuel. Venezuela’s Citgo Petroleum Corp. pledged a $1 million donation for hurricane aid.

With offers from the four corners of the globe pouring in, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has decided “no offer that can help alleviate the suffering of the people in the afflicted area will be refused,” State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said Thursday.

However, in Moscow, a Russian official said the U.S. Federal Emergency Management Agency had rejected a Russian offer to dispatch rescue teams and other aid.


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Offers have been received from Russia, Japan, Canada, France, Honduras, Germany, Venezuela, Jamaica, Australia, the United Kingdom, the Netherlands, Switzerland, Greece, Hungary, Colombia, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Mexico, China, South Korea, Israel, the United Arab Emirates, NATO and the Organization of American States, the spokesman said.

Israeli Ambassador Daniel Ayalon called Wednesday at the State Department to offer condolences and assistance. Israel is the largest recipient of U.S. aid, about $2.2 billion a year.

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has offered the U.S. hundreds of doctors, nurses, experts in trauma and natural disasters, NBC News has learned. Sharon has also offered field hospitals and medical kits as well as temporary housing and told Bush in a letter that the medical assistance and other help could be deployed within 24 hours.


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Still, Bush told ABC-TV: “I’m not expecting much from foreign nations because we hadn’t asked for it. I do expect a lot of sympathy and perhaps some will send cash dollars. But this country’s going to rise up and take care of it.”

“You know,” he said, “we would love help, but we’re going to take care of our own business as well, and there’s no doubt in my mind we’ll succeed. And there’s no doubt in my mind, as I sit here talking to you, that New Orleans is going to rise up again as a great city.”
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If even more nations are donating, good. The USA has helped a lot of nations over the years, it's only right we get some help in return.

Look at how some news agencies are using hurricane Katrina as an opportunity to kick America while we're down:
A Kick from Al-Reuters
- LGF blog on Reuters story, "World stunned as US struggles with Katrina."
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I have to say that I agree with the above article you posted, EXCEPT for the following person's comments in the last paragraph, which I find condescending and crude:

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“I am absolutely disgusted. After the tsunami our people, even the ones who lost everything, wanted to help the others who were suffering,” said Sajeewa Chinthaka, 36, as he watched a cricket match in Colombo, Sri Lanka. “Not a single tourist caught in the tsunami was mugged. Now with all this happening in the U.S. we can easily see where the civilized part of the world’s population is.


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I find this article completely disgusting:

http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html

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HURRICANE KATRINA DESTROYS NEW ORLEANS
DAYS BEFORE "SOUTHERN DECADENCE" 8/31/05

PHILADELPHIA - Just days before "Southern Decadence", an annual homosexual celebration attracting tens of thousands of people to the French Quarters section of New Orleans, Hurricane Katrina destroys the city.

"Southern Decadence" has a history of filling the French Quarters section of the city with drunken homosexuals engaging in sex acts in the public streets and bars. Last year, a local pastor sent video footage of sex acts being performed in front of police to the mayor, city council, and the media. City officials simply ignored the footage and continued to welcome and praise the weeklong celebration as being an "exciting event". However, Hurricane Katrina has put an end to the annual celebration of sin.

On the official "Southern Decadence" website (www.SouthernDecadence.com), it states that the annual event brought in "125,000 revelers" to New Orleans last year, increasing by thousands each year, and up from "over 50,000 revelers" in 1997. This year’s 34th annual "Southern Decadence" was set for Wednesday, August 31, 2005 through Monday, September 5, 2005, but due to massive flooding and the damage left by the hurricane, Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco has ordered everyone to evacuate the city.

The past three mayors of New Orleans, including Sidney Barthelomew, Marc H. Morial, and C. Ray Nagin, issued official proclamations welcoming visitors to "Southern Decadence". Additionally, New Orleans City Council made other proclamations recognizing the annual homosexual celebration.

"Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city," stated Repent America director Michael Marcavage. "From 'Girls Gone Wild' to 'Southern Decadence,' New Orleans was a city that had its doors wide open to the public celebration of sin. From the devastation may a city full of righteousness emerge," he continued.

New Orleans is also known for its Mardi Gras parties where thousands of drunken men revel in the streets to exchange plastic jewelry for drunken women to expose their breasts. This annual event sparked the creation of the "Girls Gone Wild" video series. In addition, Louisiana had a total of ten abortion clinics with half of them making their home in New Orleans. At these five abortion clinics in the city, countless numbers of children were murdered at the hands of abortionists.

"We must help and pray for those ravaged by this disaster, but let us not forget that the citizens of New Orleans tolerated and welcomed the wickedness in their city for so long," Marcavage said. "May this act of God cause us all to think about what we tolerate in our city limits, and bring us trembling before the throne of Almighty God," Marcavage concluded.

"[God] sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust." (Matthew 5:45)


I knew it would only be a matter of time before the crazed religious zealots would hold up their Bibles like weapons, declaring "God's wrath" on a "city full of sin."

Give me a break.

Can't these idiots put aside their differences and ideologies for once and realize that there are THOUSANDS, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, of people in DESPERATE need of help and care? These victims are emotionally, physically, psychologically and spiritually SICK, and the first thing these fanatics do is point fingers. :bad:
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That's true. There must be decent people that live there, too, regardless of all the Mardi Gras shenanigans.
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who's to know for sure? How can you be sure that negative behavior on that scale didn't attract negative energy on the same scale?
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who's to know for sure? How can you be sure that negative behavior on that scale didn't attract negative energy on the same scale?

Please.

I guess it's easy to blame New Orleans and forget that many other small towns/cities with Christian communities have also been hit. Does God have bad aim?

And if God were out to punish all those "sinners", why hasn't a typhoon hit Chelsea and South Beach? A tornado should wipe out Halstead Street. And we need a couple earthquakes to take out the Castro and West Hollywood and San Francisco.

Ridiculous.

I don't have anything against Christians. But having been born and raised in the south and living in the "Bible Belt" I honestly do not think Repent America are in their right minds. There is suffering, suffering most of us can't even imagine, in New Orleans. Christians are supposed to feel compassion and have a desire to REACH OUT AND HELP!

I was going to write a letter of disgust to Repent America but I got this message:

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"Due to the volume of e-mail we have been receiving, we are no longer offering the ability to contact us by e-mail. Our contact form will be back online in a few days."


I see. Step one: blame somebody. Step two: Hide like little chickensh*ts (excuse my language).
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I knew it would only be a matter of time before the crazed religious zealots would hold up their Bibles like weapons, declaring "God's wrath" on a "city full of sin."
Just like -- was it Falwell? -- who blamed 9/11 on Americans, said it was God's judgment on us (he later apologized for having said that).

If you really want to be outraged go to the Fred Phelps site 'God Hates America.com' or whatever it is (he's the guy behind "God Hates Fags.com"). I don't know if he's updated his love fest to comment on Katrina specifically, but he was saying how happy he is that American servicemen and women are returning home in caskets from Iraq. I've no doubt that Phelps would view Katrina the same way.

Someone at LGF found an article by a Muslim dude saying that hurricane Katrina was Allah's work against an eeeevil USA, or some such sentiment ("The Terrorist Katrina is One of the Soldiers of Allah, But Not an Adherent of Al-Qaeda.").

There are asshats* in every world religion, apparently.

My sister hails from NOLA, she's come to live with me out of state, and we keep running into other NOLAians who have left town in the area where I am (we just bumped into some today out on errands - we also bumped into some yesterday out on other errands). All of them are nice, clean cut, articulate people.

The ones who are left in NOLA right now are the ones who were too poor or stupid to leave when they were told to evacuate. Most of your middle class to upper class, law abiding, educated citizens who have the means, fled the city when they were told to.

There are decent people from NOLA, but the media likes to interview the ignorant bumpkins who have a mouth-full of gold teeth and get footage of the violent idiots instead. (But then, at this time, that's the quality of people who are still stranded in NOLA, there's nobody else for the media to film, really.)
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New Orleans' paper:
NOLA.com - Times Picayune Online
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I'm not sure I get what is with whaling on the federal govt. on this. I used to live in NOLA and go back to visit about once every other year.

Everyone has always known that if NOLA gets hits by a hurricane (and this wasn't even a direct hit, the hurricane veered a bit off to the east) that NOLA was in huge, huge trouble. They are how many feet below sea level? They are a soup bowl.

People sent in to help New Orleans were being shot at, and some wonder why response time was lagging?

I believe I heard that the mayor of New Orleans deserted his city. He's up in Baton Rouge and does not want to return to New Orleans until the city is cleaned up. I'd have to look that one up, I'm not sure.

I saw on the news that the National Guard has rolled into New Orleans. Maybe order will prevail over chaos and anarchy now.

Military due to move in to New Orleans - CNN

New Orleans Gets More Troops to Stop Katrina Looting (Update5)

National Guard pours into New Orleans - Bellingham Herald

National Guard orders 4,200 military policemen to New Orleans - San Jose Mercury News


Related:
US government to release 30 million barrels of SPR oil

Fats Domino safe after boat rescue from flood

Is this the end of New Orleans?

In Mississippi, hurricane victims welcome 1st signs of help

Bush condemns Katrina aid effort - BBC News

Millions still lack power in US Gulf after Katrina

Alabaman Gov. Thanks Bush for Katrina Help
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If you really want to be outraged go to the Fred Phelps site 'God Hates America.com' or whatever it is  (he's the guy behind "God Hates Fags.com"). I don't know if he's updated his love fest to comment on Katrina specifically, but he was saying how happy he is that American servicemen and women are returning home in caskets from Iraq. I've no doubt that Phelps would view Katrina the same way.


I'm quite aware of Fred Phelps and his "Church" (mostly made up by members of his family.) In fact, I think they recently came through Nashville. I think he's a complete scumbag.

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The ones who are left in NOLA right now are the ones who were too poor or stupid to leave when they were told to evacuate. Most of your middle class to upper class, law abiding, educated citizens who have the means, fled the city when they were told to.


People had their reasons for not leaving, and I'm sure some of those reasons are more reasonable than others, but you know what? That is the past and we shouldn't be worrying about that now or again pointing fingeres. The fact of the matter is there are people who need help NOW.

I mean, should we just let the poor people die because they were "too stupid to leave when they were told to evactuate?" That is a little insensitive to me.
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I think he's a complete scumbag.
Yes, I agree, that he is.
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People had their reasons for not leaving, and I'm sure some of those reasons are more reasonable than others, but you know what?  That is the past and we shouldn't be worrying about that now or again pointing fingeres.  The fact of the matter is there are people who need help NOW. 
I mean, should we just let the poor people die because they were "too stupid to leave when they were told to evactuate?"  That is a little insensitive to me.
I think you misunderstood my post. Certainly, those people need help, and it doesn't matter why they are still there.

However, the media (and people overseas, in these foreign news paper articles) keep assuming that all natives of New Orleans are car jackers, muggers, rapists, and uneducated dolts.

I was merely demonstrating that considering the quality of people who are left to film and interview in NOLA, that's the only sort they're going to be able to find. Most of the financially better off and intelligent people high-tailed it on outta there.

If the media were truly interested in presenting a true cross section of NOLA residents, then they would interview people such as my sister (from NOLA), who is a law abiding, hard working person.

And hey, take note of the fact that I - it was Flea - who added a big link atop this board which leads to a post of Hurricane Katrina charities. :)
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I think you misunderstood my post. Certainly, those people need help, and it doesn't matter why they are still there.

However, the media and (people overseas, in these foreign news paper articles) keep assuming that all natives of New Orleans are car jackers, muggers, rapists, and uneducated dolts.


Yes, I agree. Sensationalism equals higher ratings. I get really frustrated watching the news sometimes and I have to turn off the TV. It's really overwhelming and too much.

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I was merely demonstrating that considering the quality of people who are left to film and interview in NOLA, that's the only sort they're going to be able to find. Most of the financially better off and intelligent people high-tailed it on outta there. If the media were truly interested in presenting a true cross section of NOLA residents, then they would interview people such as my sister, who is a law abiding, hard working person.


I agree. But it's just so much easier for the media to focus on the negativity of the whole situation.

A close friend of mine, who ran a successful business in NOLA, lost everything, including his house and car. He literally only has his little dog and the clothes off his back. The good thing is that he's able to hold onto his humor and hope throughout all of this.

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And hey, take note of the fact that I - it was Flea - who added a big link atop this board which leads to a post of Hurricane Katrina charities. :)


I've already donated to multiple charities. :) Thank you for adding those links on the main page.
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More Than 3 Dozen Countries Pledge Assistance - LGF Blog entry; news item at top, followed by various people's comments below. Some of the comments are funny or right- on- the- money.
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