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Topic Started: Oct 9 2005, 01:25 PM (5,463 Views)
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Oct 9 2005, 01:25 PM
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Israeli rabbis riled by new Madonna song - CTV
Madonna Upsets Jews - News.com.au
Jewish mystics to Madonna: Lay off our sage! - MSNBC
Some rabbis criticize new Madonna song - Bradenton Herald
From CTV:- CTV.ca News Staff
Pop star Madonna is in trouble with some rabbis over her upcoming album.
The often controversial singer's new album "Confessions on a Dance Floor" collection includes a song titled "Isaac", which reportedly is a reference Rabbi Isaac Luria, founder of the Kabbalah school of mysticism.
While the 47-year old counts herself as a devotee of Kaballah, the Israeli rabbis who watch over Luria's tomb and seminary accuse Madonna of breaking a taboo. The say it is against Jewish law to use a holy name for profit.
"This is an inappropriate act, and one can feel only pity at the punishment that she (Madonna) will receive from Heaven," the seminary's director, Rabbi Rafael Cohen, told the Israeli newspaper Maariv on Sunday.
"The Sage Isaac is holy and pure, and immodest people cannot sing about him."
Madonna has faced a lot of criticism from ultra-Orthodox Jews who say her embrace of Kaballah dishonours their religion.
From MSNBC:- Oct. 9, 2005
JERUSALEM - Word that Madonna’s upcoming album includes a paean to a 16th-century Jewish mystic has prompted the rabbis who guard his legacy to accuse the pop idol of sacrilege and hint at divine punishment.
The “Confessions on a Dance Floor” collection includes a song titled “Isaac” -- in reference, entertainment media say, to Rabbi Isaac Luria, founder of the Kabbalah school of mysticism which counts Madonna, 47, as one of its devotees.
The custodians of Luria’s tomb and seminary in the northern Israeli town of Safed accused her of breaking a taboo.
“There is a prohibition in Jewish law against using the holy name of our master, the Sage Isaac, for profit,” the seminary’s director, Rabbi Rafael Cohen, told the Israeli newspaper Maariv on Sunday.
“This is an inappropriate act, and one can feel only pity at the punishment that she (Madonna) will receive from Heaven. The Sage Isaac is holy and pure, and immodest people cannot sing about him,” he said.
Catholic-born Madonna, famed for her racy lyrics and on-stage antics, has drawn frequent censure from ultra-Orthodox Jews who say her embrace of Kabbalah debases their religion.
Deemed especially provocative was Madonna’s music video for “Die Another Day”, in which she wove phylacteries around her arm, a custom usually reserved for Jewish men, before escaping from an electric chair on which Hebrew letters spelling out one of the 72 names of God appeared.
“This kind of woman wreaks an enormous sin upon the Kabbalah,” said Rabbi Yisrael Deri, caretaker of Luria’s tomb.
From Bradenton Herald:- Oct 9, 2005
JERUSALEM - A song on Madonna's upcoming album dedicated to a Kabbalist rabbi is drawing criticism from some rabbis, the Israeli Maariv daily reported Sunday. The album, "Confessions on a Dance Floor," is to be released on Nov. 15 and features a track entitled "Isaac" about Yitzhak Luria, a 16th century Jewish mystic and Kabbalah scholar.
Rabbis who oversee Luria's tomb and a seminary in the northern town of Safed are unimpressed with Madonna's musical tribute and see the inclusion of the song about Luria on the album as an attempt by the pop star to profit from his name.
Madonna made a much publicized visit to Israel in 2004, when she visited many sites important to Kabbalah, but she did not travel north to Luria's grave.
.... The movement has sparked skepticism and criticism among many of the rabbis who specialize in studying and teaching Kabbalah. Jewish tradition holds that Kabbalah is so powerful and complicated that students may not begin to approach it until after age 40. Among the elements of Kabbalah are mystical meanings drawn from holy books by recombination of letters and other signs.
Rabbi Rafael Cohen, head of a seminary named after Luria, suggested Madonna's actions could lead to divine retribution.
"Jewish law forbids the use of the name of the holy rabbi for profit. Her act is just simply unacceptable and I can only sympathize for her because of the punishment that she is going to receive from the heavens," Cohen told Maariv.
Another rabbi called for Madonna to be thrown out of the community.
"Such a woman brings great sin on kabbalah," Rabbi Israel Deri told Maariv. "I hope that we will have the strength to prevent her from bringing sin upon the holiness of the rabbi (Yitzhak Luria)."
Deri serves as deputy chair of the Religious Sites Authority, which oversees Luria's burial site in Safed. Neither Deri nor Cohen were available for comment on Sunday.
From News.com.au:- Catholic-born Madonna, famed for her racy lyrics and on-stage antics, has drawn frequent censure from ultra-Orthodox Jews who say her embrace of Kabbalah debases their religion.
Deemed especially provocative was Madonna's music video for Die Another Day, in which she wove phylacteries around her arm, a custom usually reserved for Jewish men, before escaping from an electric chair on which Hebrew letters spelling out one of the 72 names of God appeared.
"This kind of woman wreaks an enormous sin upon the Kabbalah," said Rabbi Yisrael Deri, caretaker of Luria's tomb.
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Oct 9 2005, 02:57 PM
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I was about to post this. They should have printed the word GREED in big bold letters. Also, it's funny that the skank didn't visit his tomb, although I could have sworn that some fan sites said she did. I wonder if there's any Hebrew in it. If so she could be ripping off Ofra Haza, a Yemeni Jew who did some dance tunes in Hebrew back in the late 80s, Im Nin Alu (sp?) coming to mind. Oh, well, like the war, love, sacrifice and other topics for her songs, I guess she might be again singing about something she knows nothing about.
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Oct 9 2005, 06:43 PM
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This is exactly what she wants: controversy to generate interest in her new CD. I wouldn't be surprised if she sent copies of the CD to these men with provocative comments to incite their ire. Why oh why do people keep falling for her stunts?
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Oct 9 2005, 08:13 PM
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I know. Same old tired MO...
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Madonna Denies Blasphemy Charges, Explains Origin Of 'Isaac'
Song is named after a singer, not a 16th century Jewish mystic.
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"The absurd thing is that it's not what they think it is," Madonna said. "It's not a song about Isaac Luria. I don't know anything about Isaac Luria, so I couldn't write a song about him. The song is called 'Isaac' because the man who is singing on it is named Isaac. I think one person saw that name and decided that they were going to go out and say I was doing something blasphemous, and it's just not true."
Madonna Denies Blasphemy Charges, Explains Origin Of 'Isaac'
Question: Has there ever been anyone so consistent in being inconsistent?
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Oct 19 2005, 08:30 PM
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Gee, why would someone accuse the little darling of doing something blasphemous? Even IF she didn't, it's her own bloody fault that the most insane, vulgar thing can be attributed to her and who would NOT believe it? She (if she is telling the truth but I doubt it) is paying the price for spending her whole life trying to shock the world.
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Oct 20 2005, 01:52 PM
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Madonna is denying being blasphemous?
I didn't think she cared what others said or wrote about her?
Also - she made a living being blasphemous, so why would she care now if someone says that about her?
She went out of her way for years to hack off people with certain religious/spiritual beliefs.
She did the same thing when some Hindus got angry at her for wearing special Hindu clothing or make-up or whatever - she issued a statement basically telling them to kiss her behind.
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Oct 20 2005, 03:56 PM
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Maybe she did intend the song to be about this Luria guy, but then changed her tune since people are finally saying her antics are old news.
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Oct 20 2005, 04:26 PM
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I looked at this story some more after seeing the whole thing pasted on "madonnalicious.com" - - It is true, though, that religious ideas play a large part in the documentary - they're just not addressed in a shocking way, as the headlines would have you believe.
Yes, she read from the book of Revelations, and yes, her dancers dressed in religious garb and marched down a runway during 'American Life' - but that's old news to anyone who saw her Re-Invention Tour. Madonna's glib commentary about priests and nuns shouldn't shock anyone who's seen her videos, but all the attention on those brief moments undermines the larger themes she tried to get across - bridging religions, bringing people together, hoping for peace.
.... The song doesn't present a message particular to her Kabbalist leanings, she emphasized. 'I would make a distinction between spirituality and religion,' she said. 'To a large degree, religion does separate people, you know: 'This is my group; if you're not in this group, I'm better than you.' And there's a lot of discrimination in the world because of that. I'm a big fan of being spiritual. I'm not a big fan of being religious in that sort of elitist way.'
That's why she went to Israel, she said - an experience that caps the end of the documentary. She was originally supposed to perform there, but the shows were canceled for security reasons. While she was there, she gave a fundraising speech in Tel Aviv for Spirituality for Kids, a group whose goals include bringing Israeli and Palestinian kids together.
'They bring kids in from abused homes and they bring them in with their parents and teach them how to relate to one another and to relate to each other with human dignity,' she explained. 'My daughter, who attends classes, is learning about her ego and how she can control it. Who would have thought you could learn that when you were a child?'
... I think it was important to show that aspect, and put my money where my mouth is,' she added. 'Because all during the show, all during the film, I'm saying we have to take responsibility not just for ourselves but the world around us. I talk the talk, do I walk the walk?
Regarding this statement by Madonna:
'My daughter, who attends classes, is learning about her ego and how she can control it. Who would have thought you could learn that when you were a child?'
Show of hands here for every adult who was taught by his or her parents when you were a kid to place others first (i.e., stifle your ego), or who was taken to Sunday school (or those classes that Catholic kids go to, I forget what they're called), where you were told what the 'Golden Rule' was.
Why does Madonna act like some of these basic moral / etiquette priniciples are totally new to her, that she didn't hear about them until she joined Berg Kabbalah and/or reached age 45??
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Call me kooky here, but what sort of rabbi would want to go to a Man-donna concert? 
Source: The Sun - Fans Mad-ge fer tickets
UK's The SUN
RABBIS who failed to snap up a ticket for the new MADONNA tour dates are still in with a chance — but it’s a case of bad luck for everybody else.
Tickets to seven shows at Wembley in August sold out within hours yesterday.
However, the Queen of Pop has reserved 40 free seats at each show for Jewish leaders because of her involvement in the religion’s Kabbalah sect.
If you’re not a rabbi, you have one last chance – keep reading Bizarre as I’ll be giving away tickets in a great contest soon. Written by Gugarko on 2006-04-08 07:19:32
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That only goes to prove how brainwashed she is; either it's a silly stunt that she somehow thinks will make her appear generous, or she really thinks these leaders give two craps about her.
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Some of these stories were placed on the old board:
(This page has been cached): Rabbis: Madonna [Die Another Day] Video Offensive - By KAREN BUTLER
United Press International
Some scholars of Judaism are upset by the use of sacred texts and religious objects in Madonna's new video for the theme song to the latest James Bond movie, "Die Another Day," reports the New York Daily News.
The violent video features Madonna with Hebrew letters tattooed on her arm and tefillin -- small leather cubes containing biblical verses and worn with straps during morning worship -- while Nazi-like goons electrocute her.
The mock execution leaves three Hebrew letters on the electric chair -- "lamed," "aleph" and "vav" -- part of the "72 names of God" taught in the kabbalah, mystical Jewish teachings studied by Madonna and her husband, director Guy Ritchie.
Ken Jacobson, associate director of the Anti-Defamation League, tells the News he doesn't find the video "anti-Semitic," but argued: "There are some people who can be -- and are -- offended by using Jewish religious articles for these purposes. Many Jews, especially Orthodox, believe it is not a tradition for women (to use tefillin). There are certain sensitivities that are offended by what she did. Then there is the question about the Hebrew lettering, and what they mean."
Rabbi Sue Fendrick, managing editor of MyJewishLearning.com, added: "To a very traditional Orthodox Jew, even the mere image of a woman putting on tefillin might be offensive.
This really seems to be about a non-Jewish person putting on a symbol for purposes of entertainment. Some people won't find it interesting one way or another. Others will find it deeply offensive to Judaism and Jews."
Said Rabbi Michael Berg, who teaches at the Kabbalah Center in Los Angeles, where Madonna has studied: "Jewish law prohibits tattoos. But, for one thing, this tattoo is not permanent. For another, we teach in kabbalah that every person is free to make their own choices."
Madonna's Kabbalah - Not Kosher (HTML version) - also available as a PDF doc - By Rabbi Ariel Bar Tzadok, 2002
Aside from the traditional Madonna blend of music and sensuality, in this video we see Madonna has a Holy Name of G-d tattooed onto her right shoulder.
Tattooing, mind you, is a practice forbidden under Torah Law, all the more so abhorred by the Kabbalah. Granted the tattoo may not be real or only temporary but nonetheless, any expression of performing a forbidden act is itself forbidden and inexcusable.
Unfortunately, Madonna's abuse of Kabbalah and traditional Torah Judaism does not stop here.
Later in the video we see Madon na winding leather straps around her left arm in the exact same format and style as holy tefillin are worn by religious Jewish men. Tefillin consist of a small leather box containing scared parchments. These are then strapped to one's left biceps, and the strap is wound down the left arm and around the hand.
Granted Madonna did not go so far as to defame the tefillin boxes themselves. Yet, it is quite clear that the wrapping of the straps around her arm is done in orthodox Torah style. This act of hers is pure sacrilege.
Granted one can state that Rashi, one of the greatest Jewish medieval scholars allowed his daughters to strap on tefillin.
This, however, was never accepted in Torah Law as a legitimate practice. Torah Law has never accepted the claim made about Rashi's daughters over centuries of clear and concrete legal precedent.
For a woman to wear tefillin or even to make believe that she is doing so is even more of a serious sin when viewed in light of the Kabbalah.
Rabbi Yitzhak Luria, the famous Ari'zal of 16th century Tzfat and clearly the greatest of all Kabbalists is quoted in numerous references as having taught that a woman's spiritual path precludes her from wearing tefillin.
Madonna had better go back to her Kabbalah studies and see what the real Kabbalah teaches before she continues making provocative acts which violate the very essence of Kabbalah and Torah.
In her video's finale' Madonna's "Kabbalah" can be seen for its true nature with its disregard and blatant effrontery to traditional and true Kabbalah. In a scene where she is in an electric chair being put to death, Madonna (wrapped in tefillin straps) makes a miraculous escape.
Her jailers come in to see the empty chair and all of a sudden, the Holy Name of G-d (the one tattooed on her arm) appears in the chair, where Madonna sat. I assume that the impression the video is trying to make is that the Holy Name saved her from her fate.
I recognized this holy Name. More so, I recognized the specific Hebrew script that was used. I know where Madonna received her "Kabbalah" information. The script used for the Hebrew in the video comes from the posters and charts published by a group known as the "Kabbalah Center" under the directorship of a man called the "Kabbalist Rav Berg."
I have spoken with many leading and well-respected Rabbis and Kabbalists and none of those with whom I have spoken respect this "Rav" and have even less respect for (what in their opinion) is his gross misrepresentation of true Kabbalistic teachings.
Many in the traditional Jewish community condemn this group [Berg's Kabbalah] and even label it a cult.
.... Indeed, if they [her Kabbalah leaders / instructors] did not teach her that these things [mentioned above] were acceptable, then they should be writing an article such as this to disavow her and to clear themselves of blame. I am waiting to see if such an article ever gets written.
It is widely known that Madonna has been a student at this "Kabbalah Center" for some time. In a recent television interview on the CNN Larry King program Madonna outright said that she "was a Kabbalist."
Now, who would have told her this?
To be a Kabbalist requires of one many things. One must live a modest and holy life style in accordance to Torah Law. One must observe the commandments, even if one is a Righteous Gentile (Bat Noah) one has to observe all those commandments applicable to them.
One must also have a comprehensive education in all applicable areas of Torah, not just Kabbalah.
Madonna's recent video, its violent theme, her provocative dance moves and dress, which is certainly not modest by Torah standards suggests that she lacks these criteria, is unaware of them, or disregards them.
.... Madonna is certainly no Kabbalist. ...
--------- The many links below are about the same two stories. I've provided links to copies of the 2 articles in case some links stop working in the future.
Madonna and the deafening silence - from Shmuley Boteach's site
Feminism's last hurrah: Madonna and the deafening silence
Madonna battles rabbi over 'slut' comment
Excerpt: - "Earth to Phillip Berg: Do us all a favor and dump Madonna as your principal spokesperson," Boteach wrote. "Sorry to be so crass, but Madonna is a slut. Yes, she may sing, and she may dance. But she is famous for being a slut. And no religion dares have a slut as its principal representative."
Rabbi no fan of Material Girl - MSNBC.com
Rabbi Blasts Material Girl in Tirade Against Kabbalah Centre
Boteach on Madonna - .... Any rational evaluation of American culture would have to conclude that the movement that sought to have women taken seriously has failed.
For every one positive female role model that uses her mind to advance her career - think Oprah Winfrey and Hillary Clinton - there are hundreds more who are famous for exposing their bodies and catering to male lechery.
Never in the history of the American republic have so many semi-naked women filled our magazines and television screens, and the growing defilement of America's women meets with barely a murmur of protest from those who claim to be feminist leaders.
Three weeks ago I strongly criticized the Kabbalah Center for allowing Madonna to be its poster girl. I made the simple point that a woman who became famous by simulating sex in front of teenagers and children on MTV, and who continues her vulgar displays by kissing Brittney Spears on stage and going completely naked in her films, cannot front a religious movement.
But Madonna's PR agent Liz Rosenberg attacked me, calling my comments frightening. She added, "Rabbi Boteach's vile attacks on Madonna's character and as an artist are staggering for someone who professes to be a religious person."
What is truly frightening, however, is that for more than two decades, Madonna has been allowed to destroy the female recording industry by erasing the line that separates music from pornography.
Before Madonna, it was possible for women more famous for their voices than their cleavage, like the beautiful Ella Fitzgerald and the divinely talented Barbra Streisand, to emerge as music superstars.
But in the post-Madonna universe, even highly original performers like Janet Jackson now feel the pressure to expose their bodies on TV in order to sell albums. This in turn has spawned the lascivious careers of copycats Brittney Spears and Christina Aguilera who, together with Madonna, comprise modern-day music's axis of evil.
Sixty years ago feminism rightly demanded that women cease being treated as a collection of body parts. It demanded that women be treated with dignity.
But Madonna and her ilk have spawned a tragic world where, according to Time magazine, 40 percent of American teenage girls now wear thongs, many with the strap showing above their jeans, and thousands of college girls lift their shirts on Girls Gone Wild videos in exchange for a T-shirt.
In other words, even educated women have learned that to get ahead, they'd better get naked.
American television especially has become a sewer spewing misogyny. Some of the most recent hits include The Swan, wherein "17 average women who never believed they could compete in a beauty pageant are cut apart by plastic surgeons who transform them from ugly ducklings into swans."
It has become a crime in America for a woman to be "unattractive." Coming up in the fall, we can look forward to such edifying offerings as Desperate Housewives and Wife Swap, which the ABC television network promises will "tap into America's voyeuristic tendencies."
None of these programs are on the Playboy Channel or cable. All are on mainstream, commercial television, watched by millions of youngsters.
The message that young boys take from these shows is that women are brainless bimbos and mindless nymphomaniacs, created by God for naught but male entertainment.
If Jews were continually portrayed on television as money-grubbers, or African-Americans as criminals, surely the leadership of the Jewish and African-American communities would howl in protest.
So why won't feminist leaders speak out against the incessant portrayal of women on American reality TV as publicity-seeking prostitutes?
Why would an accomplished woman like Liz Rosenberg attack me, rather than Madonna, as vile?
Because feminists mistakenly believe that a woman's right to simulate masturbation at a concert is empowering. It's all part of the women's rights movement, translated as a woman's right to do whatever she damn well pleases. But since when is behaving like a man's sex slave a form of empowerment?
While it is unbecoming for responsible feminist leaders to remain silent in the face of Madonna and her copycats' wholesale vulgarization of the female image, it would be downright scandalous for Jewish religious leaders not to object to Madonna's being promoted as the world's most recognizable practitioner of Jewish mysticism.
Kabbalah is a moral discipline that demands a striving for ethical excellence. Stripping on stage and calling oneself a Kabbalist are mutually exclusive.
Two weeks ago, on the 50th anniversary of the Supreme Court's ruling which desegregated America's schools, Bill Cosby - who brought to TV a highly successful show that broke the false, negative stereotypes of African-American families as poor and unstable - criticized those African-Americans who, he said, persist in reinforcing negative black stereotypes and who fail to take advantage of the civil rights reforms blacks fought so hard to achieve.
Said Cosby, "Everybody knows it's important to speak English except these knuckleheads! You can't be a doctor with that kind of crap coming out of your mouth! It's time for you to not accept this language that these people are speaking which will take them nowhere. What the hell good is Brown vs. the Board of Education if nobody wants it?"
Rather than Cosby's being mauled for his highly provocative comments, Alexis Scott, publisher of America's oldest daily black newspaper, said that the majority of African-Americans said, "Amen, Brother Cosby."
How tragic that America's women don't have a Bill Cosby figure to condemn those women who continue to get ahead by flashing their busts rather than using their brains.
This would be the perfect battle for an intelligent and accomplished woman like Hillary Clinton. And it would have the added benefit of winning over her many detractors.
I read that a long time ago, but I had forgotten about this line:- This in turn has spawned the lascivious careers of copycats Brittney Spears and Christina Aguilera who, together with Madonna, comprise modern-day music's axis of evil.
"music's axis of evil" 
Rabbi responds to [Madonna's] PR [person, Liz Rosenberg] - In response to Liz Rosenberg's comments Rabbi Boteach has issued the following statement:
.... But while it is unbecoming of responsible feminist leaders not to speak out at Madonna's wholesale vulgarization of the female image, it would be downright scandalous for Jewish religious leaders not to object to Madonna being promoted as the foremost practitioner of Judaism in the world.
Judaism and Kabbalah are, above all else, moral disciplines that demand a striving for moral excellence. Stripping on stage and calling oneself a Kabbalist are mutually exclusive.
Madonna to put herself forward as a spiritual spokesperson while continuing to degrade women by simulating sex acts at music concerts, portray full nudity in her movies, and to ridicule lesbians by performing same-sex kisses merely for TV ratings, is a mockery of her claims to a life of spiritual renewal based on the teachings of the Kabbalah.
- Women like Liz Rosenberg especially, who heave greatly distinguished themselves professionally through their brains rather than their busts, should be at the forefront of criticizing Madonna's assault on feminine dignity.
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Well, Liz is getting paid a hefty price for calling a rabbi vulgar, while calling a vulgar slut spiritual. I htink she has it all backwards. Reminds me of something asked on a talk radio show. All this anti-Semitism in the world, and yet the Hollywood Jews are silent. The host said that Liberal Jews put Liberalism first before their culture or heritage. True. Liberal Jews look the other way at Madonna wearing teffilin and stockings. They know Madonna has done more to contribute to the sleaziness of today's teens and 20s (girls) than anyone ever before. And sleazy girls showing their titties sell tapes and magazines. Cha-ching. (This is not a Jewish merchant slam, but a slam at those goons who market the trash). Desperate Housewives is another case in point. It's suddenly liberating for women to cheat on their husbands and have catfights. Anyone ever see the commercials for BBC America's Footballer's Wives? I feel like I need a bath after watching one. Yet if there were a show about men perpetually cheating on their wives, it would be shouted down by the Feminazis. This isn't equality. It's about women making themselves appear as bad or worse than the men they criticize. And they do it all willingly. If Madonna the Jew is so spiritual and all, why has she remained dead quiet about the attacks on Israel? Day 24, no, this is YEAR 58. Since 1948, Israel has been shot at, bombed, rocketed, invaded, told to give up more and more land, it's had it's weddings, bars, temples, buses, coffee shops, and schools bombed. Since 1948. Is Miss Fearless Strong Feminist Woman Who Likes Pushing People's Buttons that afraid of lil 'ol terrorists, if she were to speak out against Islamofascism? Or does that multi-syllabic word confuse her pea-brain? Can her hubby only relate to gangster films, another phony baloney, since he grew up with a silver brolly in his mouth? Can they or anyone not see the attempt by Muslims and even Europe to wipe out the original people from the Holy Land? Ah well, at least Israel isn't listening to the US or Europe. I hope they keep dropping bombs til every last terrorist is wormfood. Then you will have peace.
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Lady Chadwick, I've addressed some of your comments in posts in the Global Outlook forum, (so as not to get this thread way off topic...)  > Anti-Contemporary Feminism - thread to bash new school feminism > I discussed the hatred of Israel here > I replied to your remarks about liberal Jews & related topics here ----------
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If Madonna the Jew is so spiritual and all, why has she remained dead quiet about the attacks on Israel?
Day 24, no, this is YEAR 58. Since 1948, Israel has been shot at, bombed, rocketed, invaded, told to give up more and more land, it's had it's weddings, bars, temples, buses, coffee shops, and schools bombed. Since 1948.
Is Miss Fearless Strong Feminist Woman Who Likes Pushing People's Buttons that afraid of lil 'ol terrorists, if she were to speak out against Islamofascism? I see several reasons why she doesn't address the topic: - 1. She can't afford to get too political / outspoken, not on topics such as this one, or her career will really suffer
2. she probably doesn't watch the news much and doesn't read much about history to even be aware of any of this (too busy running her fingers over the Zohar, "absorbing" its text )
3. I think her idea of "speaking out" against radical Islam came in the form of having one male dancer in her COAD show with an Islamic moon painted on his torso, and having the other guy with the Jewish Star of David on his torso
(I placed photos of those two dancer guys on the board in some thread, maybe the COAD photo tour thread, or the "Madonna and politics" thread)
Oh, btw, you simply must see the "Madonna and GR's Marriage" thread in the BoW (Best of the Worst) forum, because....
I placed links in there to a story where GR thinks Manny may get kidnapped by Islamists because of her (quasi) connection to Judaism (and that vis-à-vis Kabbalah).
Jewish group warns Madonna concert organizers, say Russia is an Orthodox country- Aug 9, 2006
Jewish group warns Madonna concert organizers, say Russia is an Orthodox country
Moscow, August 9, Interfax - The Federation of Jewish Communities of Russia (FJC) said Madonna's stage performances were amoral and urged all religious-minded people to abstain from attending her Moscow concert due on September 11.
"It is obvious to me, whether or not she uses religious symbols, a person with religious and moral values should not attend her concert because even without the use of religious symbols this is a very frivolous and amoral show," head of the press department of the FJC Boruch Gorin said.
As for the use by Madonna of crucifixes in her shows, he said, "It is even more outrageous precisely considering the image associated with this singer."
"Various Christian confessions" have expressed their attitude toward such a use of religious symbols, and "this leaves no doubt that it is insulting to the feelings of believers," he said.
In her show, Madonna uses Jewish and Muslim religious symbols and this for "me as a Jew, is shocking," Gorin said, adding that the fact that she uses in her songs Jewish terminology was "rather illiterate and inconsiderate."
Gorin stressed that the organizers of such concerts in Moscow, which he said is "the capital of Orthodoxy," ought to "be more tactful toward the innermost in human moral; that is faith." Gorin reminded the audience about the reaction of the Muslim world to the publication in the Western media of cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.
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Sep 16 2007, 12:31 AM
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I thought this was a joke when I saw it, and when I saw that it wasn't, I actually felt ill momentarily, until I remembered that these things must come to pass. Meanwhile, read it for yourself-
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Sep 16 2007, 08:59 AM
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Is it a hand in that photo or a claw?
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Sep 16 2007, 12:10 PM
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I like how they suddenly blurt out that she's not Jewish (I placed that part in bold face type): - JERUSALEM: Visiting pop idol Madonna toasted the Jewish new year with Israeli President Shimon Peres and declared herself an "ambassador for Judaism," local newspapers reported Sunday.
The singer, who is not Jewish, met Peres at his official Jerusalem residence on Saturday evening, and the two exchanged gifts, with Madonna receiving a lavishly-bound copy of the Old Testament.
Re: - with Madonna receiving a lavishly-bound copy of the Old Testament.
Which she will promptly rub against her crotch in her next video or tour!
And Madonna gave him what, a "purple penetrator?"
Ah wait, it says, - She presented Peres a volume of "The Book of Splendor," the guiding text of Jewish mysticism, or Kabbalah, inscribed, "To Shimon Peres, the man I admire and love, Madonna," the Yediot Ahronot daily said.
A Peres aide confirmed the meeting but had no details.
Madonna arrived in Israel Wednesday night, the eve of the new year, with her film director husband, Guy Ritchie, to attend a Kabbalah conference.
"You don't know how popular the Book of Splendor is among Hollywood actors," Yediot quoted Madonna as telling Peres. "Everyone I meet talks to me only about that. I am an ambassador for Judaism."
.... Madonna's interest in Kabbalah in recent years has been criticized by Orthodox Jews, who say it is an abomination.
Rabbis who specialize in Kabbalah have criticized the interest by non-Jewish celebrities in the subject. Jewish tradition holds that Kabbalah is so powerful and complicated that only bonafide students may begin to approach it and then only after age 40. Among the elements of Kabbalah are mystical revelations drawn from holy books by recombination of letters and other signs.
Rabbis were particularly incensed by Madonna's song, "Isaac," about the revered 16th-century Kabbalist rabbi Yitzhak Luria, which featured on her 2005 album, "Confessions on a Dance Floor."
Madonna, who was raised a Roman Catholic, has taken the Hebrew name Esther, and has been seen wearing a red thread on her wrist in a Jewish tradition to ward off the evil eye. During her visit she plans to visit sites sacred to Kabbalists. It was not known how long she intends to stay.
Madonna paid her first visit to Israel three years ago, on another Kabbalah-centered trip.
"I can't believe that I'm celebrating the new year with you in Israel," Maariv newspaper quoted her as telling Peres on Saturday. "It's a dream come true."
In the article below, it says, - Madonna told the president she wants to promote those messages [world peace, unity, etc.] in her songs and books,
I see.
So what kind of messages was she sending with her "Sex" book and the songs "Where Life Begins" and "Did You Do It"?"
Madonna meets President Shimon Peres - On Saturday night, Madonna and her film director husband, Guy Ritchie, traveled to Jerusalem and met with President Shimon Peres for nearly two hours at Beit Hanassi.
According to the president's spokeswoman, Peres and Madonna toasted the Jewish New Year together, and presented each other with gifts of holy books - Madonna received a copy of the Hebrew Bible, and the singer gave the president a copy of the Zohar, the mystical text that serves as the basis of Kabbala.
"The president and Madonna discussed how to advance the peace process, and conciliation and tolerance throughout the world," said presidential spokeswoman Ayelet Frish.
"Madonna told the president she wants to promote those messages in her songs and books, and how important it was to educate children with those ideas. She also said that meeting President Peres and welcoming in the new Jewish year together with him was the fulfillment of a dream."
Who's That Girl
Madonna meets with Israeli President Shimon Peres - The Canadian Press
Madonna spotted in Israel celebrating Jewish New Year
You can view photos of Manny's trip to Isreal here
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Sep 16 2007, 10:07 PM
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This can maybe be merged later with another thread - or not. I just loved the title... This is great! It's great!!!
 Rabbis Disgusted By Madonna's Visit - Sep 17, 2007
Orthodox teachers of Kabbala reacted with disdain Sunday to pop idol Madonna's Rosh Hashana visit in Israel, during which she took part in a study session of Judaism's most esoteric texts.
"It is a known fact in Kabbala that impurity and evil are inherently attracted to sanctity," said a director of one of the most respected Kabbala yeshivot in Jerusalem who preferred that he and his institution remain anonymous.
"That's why people of Hollywood, a place of iniquity and lasciviousness, are naturally attracted to the holiness of Kabbala."
The director of the yeshiva said he was explaining a basic Kabbalistic concept according to which "sparks" of holiness tightly connected to "shells" of impurity are waiting to be let free.
These "shells" [klipot] are naturally attracted to their polar opposite - holiness.
"Wherever there is holiness and sanctity there is also evil," added the director, who said that during her last visit to Israel three years ago, Madonna repeatedly tried to contact his institution, but her calls were not returned.
"That's why someone like that lady - I don't even want to mention her name - is so attracted to the Kabbala."
Rabbi Yitzhak Batzri, son of Jerusalem-based kabbalist David Batzri, head of the Shalom Yeshiva, said that it was forbidden to teach Kabbala to non-Jews such as Madonna.
"Even Jews are not allowed to delve into the secrets of the Kabbala until they have thoroughly reviewed the entire Talmud and the legal commentaries, and also scrupulously adhere to all the commandments," added Batzri.
"But we as Jews can learn something from the interest non-Jews have in Kabbala. Even the non-Jews understand the power of the Kabbala. They are willing to come from the ends of the earth to learn it."
During her trip to Israel, Madonna toasted Rosh Hashana with President Shimon Peres and declared herself an "ambassador for Judaism." ...
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Sep 16 2007, 11:13 PM
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It's nice to know that manny was stalking them in her FRANTIC efforts to try and buy some credibility. This shows how really stupid, I mean STUPID, she is- did she REALLY THINK they would give her the time of day?
WHAT A STUPID BI TCH!!!!!!!!!
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Sep 17 2007, 12:25 AM
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Her moron-assed remarks sparked an awful lot of negative press, I wanted to post some links to people's outraged comments but most of the servers are overloaded, so we'll have to wait.
I ran across this thread, BUT, the REALLY interesting thing, is that there are several comments in it FROM PEOPLE WHO KNEW HER. Check out comments #68, #69, #158, and #256. :good:
CHECK OUT COMMENTS/\
Here's a photo of the slag taken as she was exiting Peres' place. Looks like she's back in the real world, where terrorists have vowed to saw off her head (the ULTIMATE makeover! ):
Manny, looking like crap:

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