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Madonna the Nazi?
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Aug 3 2009, 02:31 PM
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Madonna to visit Auschwitz - News 24
Madonna wants to take kids to visit Auschwitz - AZ Republic
Madonna To Visit Auschwitz - Contact Music- Aug 3, 2009
Madonna is planning to take her children on a ''life affirming'' trip to concentration camp Auschwitz when her current tour moves to Poland later this month.
Madonna wants to take her children to Auschwitz so they can "see how lucky they are".
The '4 Minutes' singer thinks a visit to the famous concentration camp will be "life changing" for Lourdes, 12, Rocco, eight, newly adopted Mercy, four, and David, three.
The 50-year-old star - who is a devout follower of Kabbalah, a mystical religion based on Judaism - is expected to make the trip when her she takes her 'Sticky and Sweet' tour to Poland later this month, and has already asked her staff to organise it.
An insider told Britain's Daily Mirror newspaper: "It won't be an easy trip but it is an ultimate life affirming experience, and one Madonna - because of her strong Kabbalah beliefs - does not want to ignore.
"She wants her children to appreciate how lucky they are and to learn about mistakes made in the past."
Auschwitz was the largest of Adolf Hitler's concentration camps built when the Nazis invaded Poland in 1941.
It is estimated up to three million Jews and people of other ethnic groups were killed there.
Madonna is also believed to be planning to take the children to see the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem.
A source said: "The Wailing Wall is a very sacred place for anyone with links to the Jewish faith and she wants the children to see it."
The trip will reportedly happen in September to coincide with Madonna's final date of her tour in Tel Aviv, Israel.
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Aug 4 2009, 08:18 AM
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"Madonna wants to take her children to Auschwitz so they can "see how lucky they are"."
That really ruffled my feathers in a bad way. Could you be any more offensive?
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Aug 4 2009, 09:29 AM
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"Madonna wants to take her children to Auschwitz so they can "see how lucky they are"."
That really ruffled my feathers in a bad way. Could you be any more offensive?
It was a strange way of putting things.
Hitler mainly shoved Jewish people into ovens and gas chambers, with the occasional handicapped person, homosexual, or gypsy.
Unless Madonna considers her kids to be Jewish, homosexual, handicapped, and/or gypsy, I don't comprehend the "you're so lucky" bit.
Had her kids lived in that era, I doubt they would've been candidates for the Holocaust.
It's even a bit stranger when you remember that so many Madonna apologists have already deemed the adopted kids (David and Mercy) "lucky" because they went from living in orphanages in Malawi to living with nannies in a mansion in Britain.
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Aug 13 2009, 10:25 AM
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Check out the photo on this page, she looks like she's doing the Nazi Goose step
(I had to leave a comment in the visitor area of that same page, as the author of it is still perpetuating the myth that the recent photos of Madonna showing off her gross arms was "photoshopped"):
Madonna goose stepping like a Nazi
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Aug 16 2009, 08:16 PM
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Then how will she explain to the kiddies the Hitler Youth photo on her office wall?
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Aug 17 2009, 06:42 PM
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Oh, and since she put up a picture of McCain alongside Hitler in her concert, maybe she can explain how McCain is the same as someone who gassed 6 million Jews.
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Sep 1 2011, 12:58 PM
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I used to think that maybe the speculation about Madonna being a Nazi lover was a little far fetched, but that she keeps showing what, IMO, is a strange obsession or love affair with Nazis or other people who liked them, gets me to thinking maybe I should take this more seriously.
I never paid any attention to this Simpson person, because I do not care about her life story or find it interesting. So I didn't know much about her.
I have been reading in these movie reviews that Simpson admired the Nazi party.
And Madonna seems to like or admire Simpson. Here are some of the reviews that mention the Nazi angle (for the full reviews, please see the "We" thread):
W.E. – review- [one out of five stars]
by Xan Brooks guardian.co.uk, Thursday 1 September 2011
Madonna's jaw-dropping take on the story of Wallis Simpson is a primped and simpering folly, preening and fatally mishandled
Whatever the crimes committed by Wallis Simpson – marrying a king, sparking a constitutional crisis, fraternising with Nazis – it's doubtful that she deserves the treatment meted out to her in W.E., Madonna's jaw-dropping take on "the 20th-century's greatest royal love story".
...We know instantly [by way of Madonna's directing] that Wallis's first husband is a wrong 'un because he drags her from the bath and beats her, and we are invited to take a similar view of Wally's spouse when he starts claiming that Wallis and Edward were Nazi-sympathisers, which is patently absurd. "They might have been naive," Wally scolds him. "That doesn't mean that they were Nazis."
What an extraordinarily silly, preening, fatally mishandled film this is. It may even surpass 2008's Filth and Wisdom, Madonna's calamitous first outing as a film-maker. Her direction is so all over the shop that it barely qualifies as direction at all.
...That – see! – a genuine Nazi-sympathiser would never dream of dancing with an African? Who can say? My guess is that she could have had Wallis dressed as a clown, bungee jumping off the Eiffel Tower to the strains of The Birdy Song and it would have served her story just as well. First reviews: Venice audience 'rolling in aisles' at Madonna's take on Windsors, 'designer Viagra' - New York Post- 1:56 PM, September 1, 2011 ι Lou Lumenick
The first notices are in from the world premiere of Madonna's second film as a director, "W.E.,'' at the Venice Film Festival, and most of them are not kind, to put it mildly.
Kate Muir of our sister paper, The Times of London, reports that her romantic historical fantasy about the "misunderstood'' (as she put it at her press conference), Nazi-loving Duke and Dutchess of Windsor is "screamingly, inadverdently funny in parts.'' Venice Film Festival, Day Two: Madonna’s W.E. is Forgettable; Polanski’s Carnage Giddily Enjoyable[/size]- London-based TOH correspondent David Gritten reports on Day Two of the Venice Film Festival:
------------------------ .... One suspects Madonna views the Windsors primarily as style icons; her version of their lives is a fantasia that will not trouble historians. (She seems to condone Edward and Wallis’s cosy relationship with the Third Reich.)
Yet after a surfeit of dull, dutiful books and stale, plodding TV documentaries about this unappealing couple, this frivolous, over the top treatment almost seems a relief. She identifies with a Nazi admirer?
Madonna Says She Identifies With Wallis Simpson- Madonna says the two films examine the same historic period from distinct points of view. She also told a news conference that she identifies with Simpson, because fame often reduces celebrities "to a soundbite."
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Sep 2 2011, 02:38 PM
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I think Super Amanda posted one of these links in the "WE" thread.
These should maybe be copied to the Judaism thread too?
Does Madonna's WE Have a Jewish Problem? - The red Kabbalah bracelet around Madonna's wrist is supposed to ward off the evil eye, but can it withstand some skeptical side-eye, too?
It's being reported that her dismally reviewed new feature W.E. whitewashes the Nazi ties of its main characters, Wallis Simpson and King Edward VIII; according to Variety's Leslie Felperin, the movie "conveniently ignores matters of historical record, such as the fact that the duke and duchess were honored guests of Hitler at his Berchtesgaden retreat as late as 1937."
So that's one thing, but here's another: Guess who's thanked in the end credits? "John Galliano and, particularly bizarrely, Leni Riefenstahl," says Felperin, "which suggests Madonna has, if nothing else, reasons to be grateful to other people accused of harboring Nazi sympathies."
Indiewire also points out that the credits misspell Riefenstahl's name, because things were going so well before then. [Variety, Indiewire]
By: Kyle Buchanan Filed Under: controversy, madonna, movies, w.e. Madonna thanks Anti-Semites at end of panned film -
- HollywoodNews.com: Madonna, ever clueless and ridiculous, thanks noted anti-Semite designer John “I love Hitler” Galliano and Hitler’s personal filmmaker, Leni Reifenstahl, at the end of her new film.
This, according to Variety reviewer Leslie Felperin, from the Venice Film Festival.
The film, “W.E.” is panned not only by Variety today, but by all the reviewers who saw it at its premiere.
The Variety review: “it’s in focus, which is more than be said for its script.”
Felperin notes that Madonna has tried to smooth over the Duke and Duchess of Windsor’s extremely annotated affection for the Nazis, too. The movie “conveniently ignores matters of historical record, such as the fact that the duke and duchess were honored guests of Hitler…as late as 1937.”
The fact is, the Duke and Duchess of Windsor were self absorbed, vain boobs.
They were perfectly depicted in “The King’s Speech.” which is why it’s so weird that Madonna has ignored this and embraced them.
The director-popstar-performer is vain, certainly, but not stupid.
But she’s very good at rationalizing when she wants something she wants. And that’s what “W.E.” sounds like, fer sure. Madonna Credits Nazi Sympathizers In ‘W.E.’- Madonna Credits Nazi Sympathizers In ‘W.E.’
by Stephanie Marcus on 2011-09-02 14:58:35
Madonna’s first feature-length directorial effort “W.E.,” — about the affair between King Edward VIII and the American divorcee, Wallis Simpson, for whom he abdicated his chance at the throne — debuted to poor reviews at the Venice Film Festival.
But it’s who she thanked in the credits that’s proving more interesting than the film itself.
As the credits roll at the end of the film, which Madonna also co-wrote, is a list of 120 “Thank Yous.” The most surprising names included, “Nazi propagandist Leni Riefenstahl and Hitler-loving fashion designer John Galliano,” reports The Daily.
The surprising credits were first mentioned by In Contention writer Guy Lodge, who suggests in his review of “W.E.” that there may in fact be fair reasons for these credits. He writes: ----------------------------- The names may be there for perfectly fair reasons. Galliano is a genius fashion designer, and Madonna’s film is nothing if not well-dressed. Riefenstahl was a genius metteur en scène, and Madonna’s film is nothing if not — well, perhaps she just likes Riefenstahl’s films, even if any claim of creative influence would be on the tenuous side.
The irony of thanking two prominent alleged Nazi sympathizers, mere minutes after “W.E.” goes to manful if unconvincing lengths to discredit any suggestions that the Duke and Duchess of Windsor had similar leanings, is incidental, and perhaps a little cheap to pick on, but merely one small symptom of Madonna the Auteur’s astonishing lack of self-awareness. ------------------------- An astonishing lack of self-awareness really is perhaps the best way to describe these inclusions. After all she’s thanking a man who was arrested for an anti-Semitic rant that included the proclamation that he loved Hitler, and the filmmaker responsible for “Triumph of the Will.” The Greatest of All The Amazingly Scathing Madonna/“W.E.” Soundbites- A quick return to the blog with good reason: I have thoroughly enjoyed reading the remarkably scathing reviews of Madonna’s “W.E.” out of Venice. So much so that I’m actually more excited to see the film than when I suspected it might be slightly better than mediocre. A camp classic seems born! And no review has made me more certain of this than Shane Danielsen’s deliciously mean take here at indieWIRE:
And then there was Madonna’s “W.E.” Which has to be seen to be believed, since even the most well-chosen words falter before its galactic-level awfulness. Yet there I was, like everybody else, positively glued to my seat throughout. Not since Lee Daniels’ “Shadowboxer” have I seen something so utterly wretched on every level, yet so absolutely compelling. From its script, packed with howlers (“Well, if it isn’t Sotheby’s favorite ex-researcher! How’s it been going since you married that hotshot doctor of yours, huh? Mrs. Married Lady.”), to production design so fussy and overwrought it made “A Single Man” look like Loach’s “Ladybird, Ladybird.” It’s a new high-camp classic—like “Johnny Guitar,” except without the talent.
Few things are as grating as bad taste masquerading as good taste, and there is a lot of that here. But whatever you do, don’t accuse its maker of being shallow. No, this is a film with Something To Say: Specifically, that Edward and Mrs. Simpson were IN NO WAY Nazi sympathizers.
This, despite a wealth of historical evidence to the contrary, including but not limited to: their post-abdication visit to Berlin in October 1937, during which both Edward and Wallis gave Nazi salutes to Hitler (curiously unmentioned here, despite the wealth of flashbacks and shifts in locale); FBI records from 1941 showing that Wallis had maintained regular contact throughout the previous year with Nazi foreign minister Joachim von Ribbentrop, one of her former lovers; and Edward’s rather injudicious decision, after settling some civil unrest in Nassau during his brief tenure as Governor of the Bahamas, to blame the strife on communists and “men of Central European Jewish descent.” (Wallis, meanwhile, though depicted here dancing gaily with A Black at a party, was more succinct about the local population, calling them “lazy, thieving niggers.”)
So: inept, gauche and mendacious. In this light, Madonna’s decision to thank, in the closing credits, both John Galliano and, I kid you not, Leni Riefenstahl (whose name she misspelt) makes a kind of sense. Edward and Wallis were “the greatest love story of the 20th century,” she would have us believe. But that whole Nazi thing? It is a problem.
This is gonna be amaaazing.
Read the whole piece here.
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Sep 2 2011, 05:05 PM
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She mispelt something in the credits!!!!! Hey, she DID keep saying when she hit it big that her goal was to "rule the world." She does/did have a big picture of a Hitler Youth in her office. Here's a good one: she called McCain a Nazi, but said that blatant Nazi sympathizers weren't Nazis! Of course she admires the Nazis. She's a control freak, wants to tell papers what they can and can't say about her, and trashes/disrespects religions. Funny her best known throne in her 50s is her toilet.
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Sep 15 2011, 04:59 PM
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The entire review is great (and a full copy is in the "WE" thread). This just high lights the Nazi mentions:
TIFF11: “W.E.” Has Gobs of Deliciously Wretched Cult Classic Potential- by D. Walber
Madonna’s absurd “W.E.” is the most marvelously wretched film I have seen in quite some time. I wouldn’t go so far as to say it falls into the “so bad it’s good” category. It’s simply fascinating in its terribleness.
....Unfortunately, all of that barely seeps through because Madonna seems so deeply obsessed with the glamour of Wallis and Edward’s life. She goes far out of her way to tell us that they weren’t Nazi sympathizers, despite the mounds and mounds of evidence.
The film almost skips World War II entirely. “W.E.” also exhibits incredible contempt for King George VI and Queen Elizabeth, which so soon after “The King’s Speech” is more than a bit comical.
Madonna has George stutter like an idiot, without an ounce of compassion, while poor Natalie Dormer finds herself delivering lines that make the future Queen Mother out to be a horrible and vindictive harpy.
Edward, on the other hand, is seen traveling through the impoverished towns of South Wales, as if just showing up is enough proof that he cares deeply for the less fortunate.
.... In the meantime, however, it’s a deeply fascinating failure that presents two much-maligned historical figures (and again, Nazi sympathizers) in an almost obsessively hagiographic light.
Glorious in its wretchedness and unapologetic in its willful ignorance, “W.E.” may very well be the most intentionally side-splitting period piece in the history of cinema. And for that we should all be deeply, if perhaps ironically, thankful.
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Sep 16 2011, 10:30 AM
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Madonan left out all the Nazism and painted Edward as "Welsh miner loving commie" because she is such a ground breaking person who never shys away from "the truth"...
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Madonna's W.E. and my 'Inconvenient Nazi' theory
The new film about Wallis Simpson assembles all the bad movie cliches – and tries to downplay those Nazi skeletons- Hadley Freeman
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 25 October 2011
Here's a quote that Madonna is welcome , nay, advised, to put on the posters of her upcoming film W.E., a hagiography of the deeply unpleasant Wallis Simpson: "Hey! This movie isn't quite as mindblowingly terrible as you expect it to be!" Obviously, the film is inescapably ridiculous, predicated as it is on the idea that not only is some godawful social climber with notorious fascist leanings in any way relevant to women today, but that a modern 28-year-old woman who spends thousands of dollars of her husband's money in order to dress like Simpson is a sensitive feminist heroine as opposed to possibly certifiable.
It is a clumsily assembled jigsaw of bad movie cliches, like the Trailer for Every Oscar-Winning Movie Ever on YouTube, but funnier, if inadvertently so. Strands of pearls are snapped in slow motion, glasses of champagne are thrown in the fireplace, the dialogue is possibly cribbed from a made-for-TV cop movie with lines such as "That's right, go make yourself another drink" and "What is this – an interrogation?"
One of the characters falls in love with a security guard "who used to be a Russian intellectual" because God forbid he should be just a security guard, suggesting the film is not just about a snob, but made by one. As for the scene in which Simpson writhes away to the Sex Pistols' Pretty Vacant, presumably this is Madonna displaying heretofore hidden satirical tendencies and making sparkling fun of Baz Luhrmann.
All that aside, it's not as bad as I expected. Having not seen the cut shown in Venice, I don't know whether the one I saw in London on Sunday has been drastically overhauled. In any event, this version is trite, misguided, beautiful and vaguely coherent. There's another quote for the posters.
It also subscribes to a certain film theory that has always interested me: the Inconvenient Nazi theory. Along with the British royalty and mental or physical disability, Nazis are an Oscars lubricant, easing one's path down the red carpet and straight up to the podium. Sorry, first world war: you may have been the great war, but you didn't have distinctive uniforms. Do you have any other special talents? Singing? Can you balance a broom on your chin? No? You really need to work on getting a USP if you want to get cast more.
But some contrary film-makers, for various reasons, do their damnedest to avoid the whole "Nazi unpleasantness", even if their chosen plots make it seemingly unavoidable. For these film-makers, the Nazis are, well, a bit inconvenient. As they were for many.
Coco Before Chanel presented the designer as a charming little peasant, as opposed to the recent biography Sleeping With the Enemy, where she is depicted as a vehement antisemite who had a relationship with a Nazi during the occupation and possibly collaborated. In the kitschy Life is Beautiful, the Nazis were something one could triumph over with laughter.
W.E. is possibly the greatest example yet of this genre. I couldn't see the thank you to Leni Riefenstahl, film-maker and mate of Adolf, that was reportedly in the end credits in the version shown in Venice, and that is not the only respect in which Madonna tries to downplay Nazi references in the film.
Most agree that the Duke and Duchess of Wales had, shall we say, some dodgy politics. They socialised happily with Hitler and he reportedly supported appeasement and possibly even an alliance with Germany.
Madonna does not think that. The only people who voice such thoughts are the film's real baddies, including, impressively, the future Queen Mother, who is depicted here as a power-hungry destroyer of families.
There is something so adorably naive about Inconvenient Nazi films that I almost admire them. "Truth is subjective," Madonna insisted after the film. Unfortunately, photos showing the Duke and Duchess smiling humbly at Hitler when they met him on a trip to his Bavarian retreat near Berchtesgaden are less so. Sandra Hebron, artistic director of the BFI London Film Festival, where the film had its UK premiere, praised Madonna's "understanding and empathy" with Simpson.
But if Madonna really needed to find some sort of parallel for her life as an American who found herself in cold, unfriendly Europe, could she not have chosen, say, a Henry James heroine or, indeed, anyone who had never been matey with Hitler? Not only would she not have to break her back bending over to defend her doppelgänger's political leanings, but I for one would love to see her take on The Golden Bowl, a book I always thought just needed a bit of livening up from the Sex Pistols.
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Madonna Thinks History of Hitler, Wallis Simpson, England is Just a Rumor- by Roger Friedman
About twelve minutes into “W.E.,” Madonna‘s paean to the Duke and Duchess of Windsor, there’s an argument whether the ex-royal couple were Nazis and-or Nazi sympathizers. “It’s based on rumor,” says the popstar/singer’s stand in character played by Abbe Cornish. Then she blabs something about empirical evidence. Apparently, sometime in the making of “W.E.” Madonna learned the word empirical. She did not learn the word fact. Madonna does what suits her based on her own ideas. Facts are just a nuisance. Her African documentary, “I Am Because We Are,” was her limited view of Malawi, the truth and facts be damned. Now she’s re-writing history so it doesn’t interfere with her screwy notions.
Here’s the story about the former King of England, who abdicated to marry Mrs. Simpson: they made a trip to Nazi Germany and met Hitler in 1937. It’s widely documented. If Madonna doesn’t want to read about this, there are pictures. The couple was not there because the Duke “was desperate to avoid war.” He had already given up his job as King, and was basically on a life long bender. Once they made the trip to Germany, King George VI–the stutterer from “The King’s Speech” — pretty much banished them to Nassau in the Bahamas. Indeed, there are numerous books and reports of the couple continuing to socialize with fascists. It’s not a rumor.
As for the rest of W.E: it’s a movie about things. Madonna, like Oprah, likes stuff. “W.E.” is like a gorgeous shopping catalog, the kind guys throw out and women consume. There’s a painstaking precision to every tea cup and hairbrush. The people look like cardboard cut outs, or models from one of Madonna’s videos. The whole film has the look of a Chanel commercial, or Elizabeth Taylor‘s White Diamonds. I think my favorite character is Ernest Simpson, Wallis’s second husband, who’s being cuckolded and knows it. The Duke, ex King Edward, makes the people on “The Bold and the Beautiful” look deep. Andrea Riseborough puts her all into Wallis Simpson, but it’s like diving into a glass of water from a great height.
And speaking of height: somehow the Duke of Windsor, who five foot seven, is now a strapping six foot three. And a bottle blond.
Why is Madonna so interested in this dreadful woman and her idiot husband? It makes no sense. She’s not an intellectual, but she has street smarts. On the other hand, like Oprah, she was raised with very little. All this splendor must seem enviable. How can Abbe Cornish’s Wally — Madonna’s present day doppelganger who’s also obsessed with Wallis Simpson–resist leaving her marriage for a Sotheby’s security guard? He has a million dollar loft in Brooklyn with a baby grand piano and leather club chairs. Of course, first she has to exit her Park Avenue mausoleum. But life is so much richer in the outer boroughs.
And where does she go, besides Brooklyn? Only a receptionist in an art gallery, Wally gets an appointment in Paris with Mohammed el Fayed to read the unpublished letters of the Duke and Duchess. She’s not a journalist or a lettered academic. She’s really just a stalker. It’s hilarious. Better still, she says in their untouched Paris suite, and tries on all their things. So this is a fable. But it looks good, even if it makes not a drop of sense.
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There is a lot of evidence that Madonna's hero and her ex-King husband were buddies with Hitler. Why she says that there is no evidence, that it's a rumor, is beyond me. She must know that historians will see the film and rip her to shreds. Maybe she thinks historians are like her numbskull fans. This is so stupid on her part the directing isn't the main point. It's her total denial of the facts in the film.
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There is a lot of evidence that Madonna's hero and her ex-King husband were buddies with Hitler. Why she says that there is no evidence, that it's a rumor, is beyond me. She must know that historians will see the film and rip her to shreds. Maybe she thinks historians are like her numbskull fans. This is so stupid on her part the directing isn't the main point. It's her total denial of the facts in the film. While updating an old thread (here), I found this
(ha, it's not just the Hitler headline that is funny, but the whole "Madonna Admires Uniqueness" sub heading - 'Madonna the Queen of Rip Offs,' as board member Super Amanda has dubbed her, may admire uniqueness, but she doesn't try hard to be unique herself):
Madonna Compares Bullying to Hitler Exterminating the Jews- By Katie Leavitt | Tuesday, November 9, 2010 7:55 PM ET
She [Madonna] Admires Uniqueness
You don't become an icon by fitting in; that means Madonna knows a thing or two about bullying. So Miss M joined Ellen on her show to speak out against bullying. She shared her social troubles and explained why kids today should embrace their unique qualities. "I was incredibly lonely as a child, as a teenager," she said. "I have to say I never felt like I fit in at school. I wasn't a jock. I wasn't an intellectual. There was no group I felt a part of. I just felt like a weirdo." Madonna is the perfect example of what being weird can bring you in life.
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This was cross posted to the "Books" thread, but please scroll down to see the part in bold / large font face:
JFK Jr. asked Madonna to pose as his mother, book says - JOHN F. Kennedy Jr. asked Madonna to dress up as his mother for the cover of his magazine, George, but the "Material Girl" declined, insisting she would "never do [Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis] justice," according to a new book.
"We'll have her in a pillbox hat, sitting on a stack of books," JFK Jr. told his assistant, RoseMarie Terenzio, the author of Fairy Tale Interrupted, which chronicles her five years as John John's confidante and publicist until his untimely death in 1999 at the age of 38.
In the summer of 1996, JFK Jr. asked Ms Terenzio who should grace the cover of his September "Women in Politics" issue.
Ms Terenzio suggested then-First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton, but JFK Jr., who co-founded the magazine in 1995, had a different idea.
"I think we should dress Madonna up as my mother," he said. "Wouldn't that be a riot?"
Ms Terenzio thought he was joking, as Madonna was then at the height of her bad-girl image, and warned him it would create a media "sh*tstorm."
And although Ms Terenzio insisted it was not among her concerns, the cover undoubtedly would have raised eyebrows given JFK Jr.'s once-rumoured romance with Madonna, who was often compared to his father's reputed paramour, Marilyn Monroe.
"If it doesn't bother me, why should it bother anyone else?" he said.
So they drafted a letter to the Like a Virgin singer, asking her to pose as Jackie O.
The next day, Madonna faxed her handwritten response, flirtatiously addressed to "Johnny Boy."
"My eyebrows aren't thick enough, for one," she offered.
[Madonna to JFK Jr]: "When you want me to portray Eva Braun or Pamela Harriman, I might say yes!" she wrote, referring to Hitler's mistress and the British socialite who married New York governor W. Averell Harriman and Winston Churchill's son, Randolph.
JFK Jr. eventually tapped actress Drew Barrymore for the cover, portraying, ironically, Monroe in her legendary white halter dress singing "Happy Birthday, Mr. President."
Terenzio's book is due out January 24.
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Jan 2 2012, 12:03 AM
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...the whole S&M bondage/sick sex thing has always struck me as a very Nazi meme. Given that this has dominated much of m's visuals over the years in one form or another speaks volumes...
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Jan 19 2012, 02:20 PM
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Teatime for Hitler and Madonna's 'much maligned' Duchess Rose WildSeptember 1 2011 10:50AM, London Times
(contains actual press clippings detailing their friendships with the Nazis and photos of E./W. with Hitler)
I've been trying to untangle some meaning from Madonna's press conference in Venice at the launch of her Wallis Simpson biopic, W. E., not with much success. What it comes down to, I think, is that to be famous is to be misunderstood.
Actually, the letters which were published last week from Mrs Simpson to her ex-husband, did help to clarify her role in the Abdication and on that front she has possibly been misrepresented as a scarlet woman bent on bringing down the Monarchy.
Ernest Simpson divorced her to give the King a clear field, but these letters reveal how much she regretted their separation, and confirm how trapped she felt by the King's determination to marry her. Her attempt to end the relationship after she fled to France only provoked the King into announcing his intention to abdicate, with no reference to her feelings. The 20th century's greatest romance it certainly was not.
The suggestion by one of the characters in the film that the Windsors were simply naive in sucking up to Hitler doesn't wash by any standards. Even at the time, press reports of their 1937 grand progress round the showpieces of the Third Reich must have left a bad taste in the mouth.
The delightful Robert Ley, leader of the German Labour Front who committed suicide in 1945 just before his Nuremburg trial for war crimes, took them on a tour of factories, where the assembled working men "rose and gave three Heils in gratitude to Herr Hitler, and then, arms raised in the National-Socialist salute, sang the German and British national anthems".
Is that in the film?
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Jan 19 2012, 11:41 PM
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I've been trying to figure out how someone who is fascinated with Hitler, Nazis, and Hitler Youth boys also attends Jewish holiday celebrations. I know she's a fascist because of her obsession with Eva Peron. Maybe she does have some spirit of Eva Braun in her, and wants to find some way to trash the Jews. Are we going to hear about her poor-me teenage life again? In the 80s they tried to make her out to have been some cheerleader/heartbreaker when she was in school. The fact that she was a cheerleader means she definitely wasn't bullied. Pose as Jackie? She ONLY said she couldn't do her justice because she knew da** well not to insult an actual icon and a Kennedy. Plus Jackie may have been alive and we know she doesn't ripoff living people.
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Jan 19 2012, 11:46 PM
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I've been trying to figure out how someone who is fascinated with Hitler, Nazis, and Hitler Youth boys also attends Jewish holiday celebrations. I know she's a fascist because of her obsession with Eva Peron. Maybe she does have some spirit of Eva Braun in her, and wants to find some way to trash the Jews. Are we going to hear about her poor-me teenage life again? In the 80s they tried to make her out to have been some cheerleader/heartbreaker when she was in school. The fact that she was a cheerleader means she definitely wasn't bullied. Pose as Jackie? She ONLY said she couldn't do her justice because she knew da** well not to insult an actual icon and a Kennedy. Plus Jackie may have been alive and we know she doesn't ripoff living people. Regarding this: I've been trying to figure out how someone who is fascinated with Hitler, Nazis, and Hitler Youth boys also attends Jewish holiday celebrations.
Excellent point. It's so obvious, yet I never really noticed that discrepancy before.
And remember how you pointed out in that one song she sings she's neither a Christian or a Jew, but she attends Jewish festivals but sometimes wears crosses, even now.
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