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Home schooling; Hitler Youth Twins - Lynx and Lamb
Topic Started: Jan 2 2006, 03:17 PM (361 Views)
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I'm surprised this wasn't brought up already. Here's one mainstream link I found thus far: ABC News
Just you watch. If it hasn't happened already, the mainstream media will use this example of twisted bigots to make ALL home-schoolers look bad. They'll also use it to silence Holocaust Truth Seekers.

**Edited to add: I did not make this clear when I originally posted this, but I was not referring to the twins or their family as Holocaust Truth Seekers. They are an entirely different entity altogether.**
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But being home-schooled, I bet they are more intelligent than their public-schooled counterparts. I bet they'd outscore public school kids on tests.

Not all public school systms are lousy, though -
- a family member of mine taught high school kids (in a public school) for a few years in the south.

One of his students who was new and transferred into one of this family member's classes mid-way was much brighter than the kids in the class. This new kid had been attending public school up north.

According to this family member, the new kid actually KNEW stuff. Made the other kids look very stupid.

BTW, I don't mean to perpetuate the stereotype that all southerners in the USA are stupid or inbred hicks. I was born and raised in the South, mostly, and I have a brain that works.

I have lived up north, too. Some up north, especially the big city public schools, have plenty of stupid kids and bad school systems, so I don't mean to just pick on the south here.
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1NF says she no longer visits this forum, so I don't expect her to read this or write about it. (I'd advise her not to, anyway. She'd probably find it upsetting.)

I'm writing this for me.

For anyone else who may be reading this: I am NOT Jewish.

I wanted to briefly address this one comment:
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They'll also use it to silence Holocaust Truth Seekers.

I find the phrase "Holocaust Truth Seeker" disturbing.

(I also view it as the equivalent in insult as when the "N****r" word is used to refer to black people; it's very repulsive.)

"Holocaust truth seeking" is synonomous for "Holocaust denial" and is used as a euphemism for it.

People who believe in this will make up all sorts of nonsense to attempt to justify it, such as claiming that the "Zionist" Jews killed "Non Zionist" Jews*.

Aside from this view being one of historical revision, and possessing other odious traits, it flies in the face of what we know of the Jews as a people.

The Jews have been among the most persecuted people since their inception. To this day (even in post-modern Europe), people hold an irrational hatred for Jews / Israel and/or hold double standards and/or discriminate against them, or against nation Israel as a whole.

Even some Jews want to live in denial and hope that if they're quiet nobody will bother them - hence, you have the Jews who wear little buttons that say, "I'm a Jew not a Zionist."

(Such Jews also believe that the Jewish people cannot possess the land Israel until their Messiah returns. Well, their Messiah was here about 2,000 years ago; they simply refuse to accept Him. Israel is their land whether they like it or not :laugh: )

God states in the Bible that the Jews are His chosen people and that nothing would ever change that.

God further says that the land of Israel was given to the Jews (by God Himself) via a permanent covenant that cannot be broken, and that He, God, owns Jerusalem as well as Israel - not the Arabs, not the Muslims, and not the Palestinians - and God chooses the Jews to live in that land.

In a sense, the whole Jewish people and nation Israel were God's foreshadowing of what He would do later through Jesus of Nazareth.

Jesus said that salvation is of and from the Jews. Christianity grew out of Judaism. -There would be no Christianity if there had been no Judaism.

Because Christians stand out from the world (they stand for God's values, not the world's), they are, and were, persecuted for it.

Sometimes the persecution of Christians comes in mild forms, such as mockery and derision, but it can take more serious forms, such as imprisonment, beatings, or death. (In Muslim nations today, Christians are murdered by Muslims just for being Christians.)

It's the same thing with the Jews: they are God's people - the observant Jews live for God and don't fit in with the unbelieving world - so they have been persecuted too.

If you belong to God, the world will know it and the world will hate your guts for it.

There are so many reasons to support Jewish people and Israel it's not funny.

In light of all this, I especially don't understand people who claim to be Christian but don't support Israel and/or Jews.
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*(BTW, I'm a Zionist, and I've never killed anyone for not being one.)
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1NF says she no longer visits this forum, so I don't expect her to read this or write about it. (I'd advise her not to, anyway. She'd probably find it upsetting.)

I do try to read all posts in each forum when I get the chance, even if it's playing catch-up at a later date. Sometimes different computers screw up the "new post" and "already-read post" - type of settings and I completely miss some threads.
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I find the phrase "Holocaust Truth Seeker" disturbing.

(I also view it as the equivalent in insult as when the "N****r" word is used to refer to black people; it's very repulsive.)

"Holocaust truth seeking" is synonomous for "Holocaust denial" and is used as a euphemism for it.

Holocaust Deniers are people who say there was no such thing as the Holocaust. End of story. Holocaust Truth Seekers are people who want to know what the facts are, because there is such discrepancy among different sources, especially concerning the numbers of casualties.
The twins in that article are clearly Neo-Nazis, but you apparently thought I was calling them Holocaust Truth Seekers. Actually, I can see how anyone might infer that, because I did not make it real clear in the original post.
There are so many different interpretations of the Bible that it's not even funny.
FWIW, I do not profess to be a Christian. I have seen too many people who say they're Christians and aren't, that to me it's a word that's lost its meaning (like "feminist".)
It's so ironic that you depict me as an "anti-Semite", because you were not there with me in high school when I got into minor spats with this Neo-Nazi classmate of mine. I know you will have the last word here, but the following is a true story:
One of my classmates in my later years of high school acted like a Neo-Nazi. I had heard that the year before I met him, he was an active skinhead. He made his views well-known in our history class. So one time our teacher wanted to try a little experiment (don't worry; I think she was Jewish herself) to attempt to teach him a lesson. This kid, along with two other students, was not doing very well in the class, so she offered them the chance to pull up their grades if they would play the part of Jews in WWII-era Germany. It wouldn't consist of anything more than putting some kind of sticker on them, and making them have to carry our books or other minor "slave" chores. Right away this a$$hole says, "Oh, cool! Can I be a lampshade?" and starts laughing. Needless to say, for all his cockiness, he couldn't stand more than maybe a couple of hours of this. I don't even remember what we made him do, but he couldn't take it. He and I never had an out-and-out fight, but he would make little smart aleck remarks about me here and there since I made it clear that I thought his attitude was revolting.

**Edited to add: Flea, if you could possibly hold off a little bit before replying, I will be sending you a PM the very next time I'm able to get on the board. Thank you.**
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^Flea, please see my edit.
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German homeschool student still can't tell parents where she is
Court-ordered foster care replaces psych ward
  • February 20, 2007

    An international human rights organization says the 15-year-old homeschool student taken from her home by a SWAT team and deposited in a psychiatric ward on a judge's order has been allowed to contact her family.

    "Melissa called her parents today to tell them she was moved to another mental ward. She was then moved to a 'clearing house' and finally to a foster family; but she was unable to tell them where she is now," said a statement from the the International Human Rights Group, which has tried to involve the international community in the attack on homeschooling in Germany.

    The case involving Melissa Busekros is being highlighted by Netzwerk-Bildungsfreifeit, a German organization that advocates for homeschoolers there even though the activity is illegal.

    Joel Thornton, the president of the IHRG, told WND in a telephone interview from Germany that he is scheduled to meet with the schoolgirl's family and lawyer this week, in attempts by his organization to reach a resolution in the dispute.

    ... The group said authorities' action in the case of the schoolgirl "clearly goes beyond what is justifiable. They took unreasonable measures for which they had no basis. They intimidated the family with a 'SWAT' team of 15 police officers to take captive a 15-year-old unsuspecting girl early in the morning, taking her to a state psychiatrist."

    ... Homeschool supporters in Germany have told WND the girl had fallen behind in Latin and math studies, and was being tutored at home in the subjects. However, when school officials found out, they expelled her, then took the family to court when they began homeschooling.

    ... When WND initially reported on the situation, the Home School Legal Defense Association launched a campaign to have its supporters, mostly in the United States, contact the German embassy about the case.

    ... Officials in Germany have told WND historically the German phobia about homeschooling began with Adolph Hitler, whose design was to control the minds of children as they grew, leaving them with only his worldview.
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Home-schooler ordered to attend public school-Mom's religious views ripped by court

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  • A New Hampshire court ordered a home-schooled Christian girl to attend a public school this week after a judge criticized the "rigidity" of her mother's religious views and said the 10-year-old needed to consider other worldviews as she matures.

    Ever since the judge's ruling came out in July, the case has aroused the interest of home-schooling groups nationwide, who have asked why a court has the power to decide whether someone's religious views are too extreme.

    The girl's mother, Brenda Voydatch, has engaged the Alliance Defense Fund, a Christian legal group based in Scottsdale, Ariz., to contest the ruling, in which the judge granted a request by the girl's father, Martin Kurowski, that the girl go to a public school.

    On Tuesday, the girl, Amanda Kurowski, started fifth grade at an elementary school in Meredith, N.H., under court order. Amanda's "vigorous defense of her religious beliefs ... suggests strongly that she has not had the opportunity to seriously consider any other point of view," District Court Judge Lucinda V. Sadler said.

    The case is the latest in a series of disputes this summer which have tested the limits of parents' right to raise their children in line with their religious beliefs.

    • Two court cases saw parents who relied on prayer being tried for the deaths of their children. In Wisconsin, Dale and Leilani Neumann were found guilty of second-degree reckless homicide in the death of their 11-year-old diabetic daughter, Kara. In Oregon, Carl and Raylene Worthington were acquitted of manslaughter in the pneumonia death of their 15-month-old daughter, though the father was found guilty of a lesser count, criminal mistreatment.

    • The case of Daniel Hauser, a 13-year-old Minnesota boy with Hodgkin's lymphoma, precipitated a national manhunt that dominated the news in May. Mother Colleen Hauser defied legal authorities that ordered the boy to be treated by oncologists and fled with her son, citing family beliefs in traditional American Indian medicine.

    But those cases all involved physical danger and the state attempting to prove that parents were acting recklessly. In the New Hampshire case, the court ruled that extreme religiosity by itself constitutes grounds on which to rule against a parent's wishes.

    According to court documents filed in Laconia, a small city in the central New Hampshire's Belknap County, Amanda is a well-adjusted childwhose parents were divorced in 1999.

    The mother has primary physical custody of Amanda, whom she has home-schooled for several years in math, English, social studies, science, handwriting, spelling and the Bible.
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US grants German homeschoolers asylum. Will others follow?
  • A US judge granted German homeschoolers asylum in January after ruling they faced persecution in Germany, where the practice is punishable with fines or imprisonment. The US Home School Legal Defense Association says other German families are exploring political asylum in the US.
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