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| Ironshadow | Feb 4 2006, 09:42 PM Post #1 |
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For those of you who know what I'm talking about, "they" no longer hate the U.S.- they hate Denmark, France, etc. and they're gonna kill 'em all! Or so they say. Burning, rioting, looting- "sacrilege!"they say. Uh-huh. Hey wait, doesn't that make THEM guilty of idolatry? Oh gosh it does! Bad Them! Funny thing is South Park did a whole half-hour cartoon and they didn't get burned to the ground. Not a peep out of one of one billion. I guess animation is okay but political cartoons are not. |
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| anshirk | Feb 5 2006, 01:53 AM Post #2 |
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hey and i cant buy my juice any more coz it made by the danish .i rushed and took the last four cartons yesterday . in gulf times dated FEB. 4 WORLD ANGER OVER CARTOONS INTENSIFIES AMID FIERY PROTESTS ONE LINE READ "WE MUST TELL EUROPEANS WE CAN LIVE WITH OUT YOU. BUT YOU CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT US ." well ill be darned and who made the oil explorations in the late 50's -60's and lawrence of arabia never existed ? they didnt even know what they were sleeping under , black gold ! major medical technologies and treatment/tests come from europe . hey and i kinda have one muslim in my mind too, well i cant do without 'um, awww..... shucks |
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| maddyhater | Feb 5 2006, 02:53 PM Post #3 |
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I seriously don't understand why the Islamic extremists are complaining about this. So what if people are depicting their "leader" in an unflattering light, but in a culture that doesn't respect free speech or equality for women, I shouldn't be surprised. Come on, I mean really.... they make themselves seem holy by waging war, and get pissed when a cartoonist actually observes that fact and exploits it? How two-faced is it to go to war in the name of their "God", then act like it's unholy to know it? Yeah, yeah... I heard... it's against their religion to even draw Mohammed Pick a country to hate and stick with it people. The worst part of all this? Just like in our own country, the normal caring people are drowned out by the extremists, which puts the whole Muslim world in a bad light. MH |
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| flea dip | Feb 6 2006, 05:55 PM Post #4 |
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I placed other links to this story in the "Islam: Censorship and Related Issues" thread, farther down the board. The fanatical Muslims also get out raged over the cartoon character Piglet (from "Winnie The Pooh") and Burger King ice cream logos - see the thread "Islam: Censorship and Related Issues" for more info on those stories. Some deaths have already resulted due to this insanity. Muslim Anti-Cartoon Clashes Turn Deadly - San Francisco Chronicle Excerpt:
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| Ironshadow | Feb 6 2006, 06:34 PM Post #5 |
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I know more about islam and the koran than I want to, but it's either the mentality of the people themselves or the way they're taught this religion that makes them CRAZY. |
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| flea dip | Feb 6 2006, 11:36 PM Post #6 |
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Iron Shadow - Haven't read through the whole thread yet, but I glimpsed this and thought you might find it funny too:
If this were true, you could just imagine how nuts the extremist Muslims would go over such a movie ![]() Someone farther down the blog linked to this: Cartoon Violence Is Just a Smoke Screen For Islam’s Real Intentions I've only just skimmed over part of it, and so far, I like that its author has managed to use the phrase "ass-backwardness" - and "Borgification of Europe" was good, too. ![]() Oh great, now some clowns got in on the act (note: some images and text at the following site are not "work safe"): ============================ ============================ Okay, on that site, if you look at this image - Mohammed holding up an index finger - look at "Guest Ham's" comment below it,
Everyone is Afraid to Criticize Islam (article) Excerpts:
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The other day, Iranian papers (or at least one of them) started a drive to publish anti-Semitic cartoons, ones focusing on the Holocaust. Extremist Muslims are such classy types. I bet the New York Times would be delighted to jump at the chance to publish these Holocaust cartoons. Iran daily holds contest for Holocaust cartoons - Reuters Danish editor would publish Holocaust cartoons
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| flea dip | Feb 9 2006, 01:50 AM Post #7 |
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^ Be sure to see the post above this one, with other links and stories about this. The longer this keeps dragging on, the more insane the fanatical Muslims look. Do they even honestly know anymore why they're angry about the Mohammed cartoons, or do they really know who they're angry with? Because originally, the cartoons were published in a secular Danish news paper in an effort to get artists to illustrate a children's book meant to instill tolerance of Islam. That was last September (2005), but some Muslims are just now having a cow over it. Some have surmised that the whole thing is a ruse to draw attention away from Iran's apparent attempt to make nuclear weapons (see the thread about "Iran in the News" for more on that). Anyway - so a secular Danish newspaper prints these cartoon images of Mohammed a few months ago. So extremist Muslims just now begin to have a fit over it and denounce Denmark and all of Europe, go on rampages, etc. Next, an Iranian news paper started calling on artists to send them cartoons to print mocking the Holocaust - that was about, what, three - four days ago? Then the other day one of them comes out and suggests that the whole thing (rioting over the Mohammed cartoons) is a Jewish Zionist conspiracy plot to make the Muslims look bad (what?!) - - and now, these weenies are blaming Americans. Even though the United States had nothing to do with it. They can't even make up their minds who to be hacked off with, so they just pick all their usual enemies: Jews, Americans, Israel, Europe, etc., regardless of who is actually responsible for the cartoons. Amazing. Cartoon Protesters Direct Anger at U.S. Excerpts: At least this one guy sounds sane: Fight Hate With Humor Belmont Club Blog |
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| madame duran | Feb 9 2006, 01:33 PM Post #8 |
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Quick, brief comment on this topic: I think it was very THOUGHTLESS and UNWISE for the Danish newspaper to go ahead and publish those cartoons. The stated purpose given by the editors was to "test" their right to freedom of speech (presumbably in reaction to the encroaching threat of religious fundamentalism). Challenging or critiquing Islam is one thing but the line was crossed when the "freedom" was used to be deliberately offensive and inflammatory (I find it hard to believe that the news editors weren't educated to the fact that pictures of Mohammed/Allah were forbidden in Islam). There are Muslims in Denmark--not just immigrants but DANISH CITIZENS--who were upset by them. Did the Jyllands-Posten staff assume that they don't read the newspaper? Did they have any inkling that this action would create further tension within Danish society? I don't see the cartoons as initiation into honest dialogue about Islam...I see them as blatant provocation. Total insensitivity, totally in poor taste. In the same breath, I deplore the out-of-control violence that erupted in this controversy's wake. Mind-boggling to see how the radical elements within Islam has influenced so many minds (many haven't even SEEN the cartoons...but not that they would want to anyway, being observant Muslims). The whole situation has given ammunition to the Islamicists to spew MORE of their hatred and twisted logic. It's just crazy and frightening to see how things are developing. Summary: This news story highlights two problems: the clashing of two different cultures, the power of fanaticism and the underlying racism/suspicion/hatred/misunderstanding shown towards Non-European ethnic groups. For all the claims of "progress" that Europe makes, this should be an eye-opener to the reality that they too have major problems that they helped to create and must confront. |
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| flea dip | Feb 9 2006, 04:54 PM Post #9 |
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I can maybe see the publication of the cartoons the second time around as being unwise. Or not - if one backs down to fanatical Muslims, the Muslims view this as weakness. They respect people who use force and who stand their ground. I do think that there was a sincere concern for freedom of speech on the part of the Europeans who re-printed the cartoons. They did not want the fanatics to dictate to them what they could and could not publish. The cartoons were first published last fall, in 2005, and it is not until now that the rioting, etc. has broken out. This has caused some to conclude that the imams (Muslim clerics, religious leaders) are deliberately fanning the flames for their own purposes - see the post I did directly above yours, Madame Duran's, for more on that. The Muslim clerics even created, invented, some Mohammed cartoons in the past few days, lied about it, and said that those forged cartoons were created by Europeans, which they were not. I do not see the same concerns for the feelings and beliefs of Jews and Christians as I usually see towards, say, Islam (this latest cartoon fiasco aside). Judaism and Christianity are regularly lampooned and spat upon not only in cartoons in America and Europe, but also in t.v. shows and movies, the nightly news, and the secularists don't care. One reason being that people know that Christians and Jews are not going to respond with bombing, arson, and beating - as are the extremist Muslims. Someone wrote a spoof piece about this (while a spoof, it does contain some good - serious - points): Jews Riot Over Pictures of Buddhist Symbol ------------- EDIT ----------- US says Syria, Iran stoke cartoons fury; more deaths Excerpt: Excerpts: |
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| madame duran | Feb 10 2006, 12:00 AM Post #10 |
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If it was unwise to publish the cartoons the second time, then how was it "wise" to publish them in the first place?
By "standing their ground", the European papers that published the caricatures did not gain any greater respect from the Muslim community. The complete opposite happened. The fanatical became MORE fanatical (which comes as no surprise) and the NON-FANATICAL were further alienated by the insult. The cartoons went beyond solely targeting Islamic fundamentalists; it inflamed the entire Muslim world. Here's my concern: this insensitivity has setback the West from building bridges with the more moderate Muslim population. As a result of their anger, they may become more sympathetic to radical Islam's grievances and support its causes. Not a good sign. Choosing to refrain from publishing those specific cartoons is NOT a sign of "weakness" nor an abandonment of 'freedom of speech'. It's an acknowledgement that the pictures were a gratuitous affront to ALL Muslims. Simply put, it was an exercise of prudent judgement. Freedom of speech shouldn't be a carte blanche for disrespect. |
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| Ironshadow | Feb 10 2006, 02:17 PM Post #11 |
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you know, you living your life without being covered by a burkah is an affront to them, and they'd kill you for it. Screw them! They don't deserve my respect, and they aren't getting it. It ain't my religion. If they don't like it, they can stick their noses back in their korans- or get them shot off. |
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| anshirk | Feb 11 2006, 01:12 AM Post #12 |
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i dont see anything in those cartoons , and by the way who's seen the prophet anyways , do they have original photos to back the claim of the cartoons , they looked meaningless to me i did'nt really see the humour nor anything to generate the outburst that we see today. its just a cow ,like said in the earlier post , just something to create more confusion, they cant keep on doing terrorrism so they found this way of trying to attack people they dont like , keeping terrorism on hold ( doesnt mean that they will not attack again ). since i live in the middle east i see a whole lot of newspapers which depict other leaders or famous people ,for instance many cartoons are shown likewise of the president making his mockery too, in unlimited ways almost on a weekly basis ,(im not sideing with any government just an example ), and many others .now how can one react to this ?are all the ,born again christians, going to start now ?? no of course not , this is the real mockery and comparison .hahhahaahah just recently an indian painter named M.F.Hussain painted a portrait of india and it had a naked women picturised on it , people in india didnt like it , the portrait was to be sold or displayed somewhere for charity . http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1405262.cms have you heard of this i bet not , i dont think a cow was made over it , all over the world. now im a hindu ,im going to make a cow over mr. hussain , i couldnt care less and havent even seen the painting , and dont give a frign care about it , now im going to call all the hindus in the world and start my parade too .hahhahaahahah,very funny, and most of my friends never were any hindus anyways so whom am i going to call? |
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| anshirk | Feb 11 2006, 01:27 AM Post #13 |
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one more point i forgot to add is that M.F.Hussain is a moslem and hes been paiting nude photos of all hindu deitys for the past many years , its not just recently , then have you heard of this 3 years ago or may be 5 years ago , were there any riots to such of a an extreme , like the danish one . have you seen hindus grabbing necks of muslims and burning embassys an threatening to behead people , at a large scale , no , just something they want to do ,to attack people and show their power ,strength and wealth. here is something i got in my inbox, the source is from some hindu society in america . somebody who wrote this ,used to be a muslim and he is apparently telling what they teach each other , so this guy has converted from islam to another religion. at least thats what i perceived , check it out ? I was born and raised as Muslim. My whole family is still Muslim . I know every genetic code of Muslim. I know Islamic brain. I live and breath with them. I am an insider. I left Islam when I understood that Islam is a sick and evil religion. Following are the Islamic message to the West. To the infidels of the West: Constitution for the new Islamic Republic of EU and USA is under construction. We will fight the infidel to death. Meanwhile American laws will protect us. Democrats and Leftist will support us. UNO will legitimize us. CAIR will incubate us. ACLU will empower us. Western Universities will educate us. Mosques will shelter us OPEC will finance us Hollywood will love us. Koffi Annan will pass politically correct sympathetic statement for Jihadists. Our children will immigrate from Pakistan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Indonesia and even from India to the US and to the other Western countries. They will go to the West for education in full scholarship. America is paying and will continue to pay for our children's educations and their upbringing in state funded Islamic schools. We will use your welfare system. Our children will also send money home while they are preparing for Jihad. We will take the advantage of American kindness, gullibility, and compassion. When time comes, we will stab them in the back. We will say one thing on the camera and teach another thing to our children at home. We will give subliminal messages to our children to uphold Islam at any cost. Our children in America will always care more about Islamic Country's interest than US interest. We will teach our children Islamic supremacy from the very childhood. We will teach them not to compromise with Infidel. Once we do that from the very early age our children won't hesitate to be martyr. We will take over the Europe first and then US will be the next. We already have a solid ground in the UK, Holland, Sweden, Spain, Italy, Germany, and now in the US. Our children will marry Caucasian in Europe and in America. We will mixed with intricate fabric of the Western society but still will remember to Jihad when time comes. Who are we? We are the "sleeper cells". We will raise our children to be loyal to Islam and Mohammad only. Everything else is secondary. At the time of the real fight we will hold our own children as our armor. When American or Israeli troops shoot at us the world will be watching. Imagine,… Imagine the news in the world "Death of Muslim babies by infidels". We know CNN, ABC, CBS are broadcasting live. Al-Jazeera will pour gasoline on the fire. The news will spread like wildfire. "Americans killed 6 babies, 10 babies". "Jews killed two women", Keep your Nukes in your curio cabinets. Keep your aircraft carrier or hightech weaponery in the showcase. You can't use them against us because of your own higher moral standard. We will take the advantage of your higher moral standard and use it against you. We won't hesitate to use our children as suicide bomber against you. Visualize the news flash all over the world, …Moslem mother is sobbing, ….crying. ….Her babies are killed by Jews and Americans, the whole world is watching live. Hundreds of millions of Muslims all around the world are boiling. They will march through Europe. We will use our women to produce more babies who will in turn be used as armor/shield. Our babies are the gift from Allah for Jihad. West manufactures their tanks in the factory. We will manufacture our military force by natural means, by producing more babies. That is the way it is cheaper. You infidels at this site cannot defeat us. We are 1.2 billion. We will double again. Do you have enough bullets to kill us? On the camera: We will always say, "Islam is the religion of Peace." We will say, "Jihad is actually inner Jihad." Moderate Muslim will say there is no link between Islam and Terrorism and the West will believe it because the West is so gullible. Moderate Muslim all over the world will incubate Jihadist by their talk by defending Islam. Using Western Legal system we will assert our Sharia Laws, slowly but surely. We will increase in number. We will double again. You will be impressed when you meet a moderate Muslim personally. As your next-door neighbor, coworker, student, teacher, engineer, professionals you may even like us. You will find us well mannered, polite, humble that will make you say, "wow, Muslims are good and peaceful people", But, we will stab you in your back when you are sleeping as we did on 911. There will be more 911 in Europe and in America. We will say, "We do not support terrorism but America got what it deserved." Muslims, CAIR, ISNA, MPAC and other international Islamic Organization will unite. We will partner with Leftist, ACLU, with Koffi Annan, and the UN, and if we have to then even with France. Fasten your seatbelt. The war of civilizations has just begun. We will recite Quran and say Allah-Hu-Akbar before beheading infidels, as we have been doing it. We will video tape those and send it to all infidels to watch. They will surrender - ISLAM means surrender. We will use your own values of kindness against you. You are destined to loose. Must be very depressing for you. Isn't it? Allah-Hu-Akbar as we say just before beheading. 21st Century Islamic Warfare Let's see the effectiveness of Islamic warfare. Muslims Vs. the West. THE RULE HAS CHANGED. There is new game in town. Bill Clinton ordered 50 Tomahawks Cruise missiles costing $100,000,000 each to destroy $50 mud houses that belonged to Osama's family. What a stupidity? What a poor ROI (Return On Investment) In return Osama's attack on the US. Cost: 19 martyrs and less than $500,000. Cost to the West: over 3,000 dead. At least $1,000,000,000,000 (one trillion) dollars economical loss in one year. This includes the ripple effect. Osama's ROI with respect to: life = 3,000/19 = 158 fold. Dollar = $1 tr./500K = 2,000,000 fold That is modern warfare. The West will loose. Allah-Hu-Akbar. Islam will rule the world. There is nothing you can do. Even if the per capita GDP of the world drops to half of its present level as a consequence of Islamic laws in place all over the world but still Islam will rule the word. From your point of view we bring to the world to the dark ages, so be it. But still Islam wins, West looses. Are you sure you want to play this game? Jihad, ..Jihad...Jeeehaaad... You are destined to loose. Allah-hu-Akbar SOTT [Sight of the Truth] Saudi Arabia's $100 billion investment over the last 3 decades on over 60 thousands Madrassas and school all over the Islamic world is finally paying off. While the West was busy inventing medicine, increasing life expectancy, elevating human suffering, decoding human gene to find cure for Cancer, heart disease etc, launching space shuttle, inventing internet, working on new laws/theory for human rights, developing better economical models for a more prosperous world, while ACLU was gaining control over common sense, while American ingenuity was benefiting the rest of the world, we Muslims were busy producing over 200 million out of 1.4 billion, Walking, Talking, Non-Thinking, West-Hating, Pre-Programmed, Suicidal, Parasitic, Terrorist Robots. You can't win. The Genie is out of the bottle. We will use American's kindness, fairness, compassion, freedom of speech and non-discriminatory policy against them. We will stab them in the back. What are you going to do? You are doomed. SOTT [Sight of the Truth] Tim--ex- Muslim |
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| maddyhater | Feb 11 2006, 10:03 AM Post #14 |
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the sickest part of all that... it's probably exactly how they think! MH |
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| flea dip | Feb 11 2006, 05:18 PM Post #15 |
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The Mohammed Dance! Cartoon riots in Jerusalem At some point, the Muslims need to get over it. The fact that they continue to drag this out for as long as they have says several things to me, one of which is that this was just a handy excuse for them to riot- - it's also maybe to direct attention away from Iran's attempt to make a nuke: Cartoon rage: Muslims not letting the anger fade ------------------- Addressed to Madame Duran: Unfortunately, I don't think there are that many Non-Fanatics. See the thread in this forum entitled something like "Muslims who have denounced terrorism," and the thread "Curse of the Moderates" If there are any "Non fanatical" Muslims (honestly, I don't know if there are or not, and if there are, what percentage of Islam they make up), then they would support the principle of the free press to print things they find offensive to their religion, whether they feel insulted or not. The Non-Fanatics, if they exist, would be telling the fanatics to calm down, shut up, and to stop making all Muslims look like idiots. (BTW, while I don't like it when the MSM or anyone bashes my spiritual beliefs, which they do pretty much non-stop, I still recognize their right to do so.) The first time the cartoons were printed, it was to show artists that they could indeed depict Mohammed, and that they had the right to; that was the original intent. And why did they do that? The whole thing began as a quest to get artists to sign up to illustrate a book for kids to teach tolerance of Islam. So, I grant them that the first go 'round. Their intent and motivation appears to have been for noble purposes. Publishing the same cartoons the second time, especially if objections were raised the first time (but it seems that objections were not raised until four - five months later), could be considered, perhaps, as being foolish. The fanatical Muslims are extremely sensitive to any and all forms of criticism of their religion, ridiculously so. They seem to think that Mohammed and their religion is above any and all forms of criticism and scrutiny. I think their political leaders and imams intentionally get the rank and file Muslims stirred up. The extremist Muslims look for excuses to get worked up into a lather and "have a cow." You can argue if it is wise or not to give them such excuses, I suppose. I do not believe that the West should kow tow to the Islamic hyper sensitivity. The fact is, we do have a free press in the West. All religions get criticized and mocked in the West (although Christianity and Judaism have been the preferred targets), but notice that theirs (Islam) is one of the few where its adherents react in a violent manner in response to criticism / lampoon / satire. ~That does not mean, however, that people should refrain from publishing works that are critical of Islam or that offend Islamic sensibilities. One does not usually, regularly, or consistently see Christians rioting, burning down buildings, etc. and sending out death threats against networks that air t.v. shows that lampoon Christianity or who publish "anti Christian" artwork. The most one will see are groups of Christians writing strongly worded letters to their editors. And, as Anshirk mentioned, Clearly, there is a problem with certain segments of Islam, not just the Western media. If it goes from we are not permitted to publish straight-forward images of Mohammed (some of the images published in the Danish paper were not even disrespectful of Mohammed!) - then how long before we cannot publish cartoons, news paper editorials, web pages, t.v. shows that are critical of Islam itself (or actions of its followers)? Because I can guarantee you that even politely worded, intellectual, respectable works which are critical of Islam also anger the extremists and cause violence. The extremists issued a fatwa against author Salmon Rushdie over his Satanic Verses book years ago because his book exposed some of the warts of Islam. A film maker in Europe (last name of Van Gogh) was killed by a Muslim (about a year or two ago) simply because he had made a film critical of how many Muslims abuse and rape women. Would you say that Van Gogh should not have made such a film, since it resulted in violence? Personally, I think it's imporant that abuse of Muslim women by some quarters of Islam gets reported, regardless of how many Muslims may riot and get upset over such coverage and publicity. The Mohammed cartoon fiasco is simply another incident in a long line of incidents which demonstrate that some segments of Islam are intolerant, irrational, and incapable of living in a modern society, and that they cannot and will not co-exist peacefully with those who do not view Allah and Mohammed the same way they do. But it is a sign of weakness from the view point of fanatical Muslims. I was not making a philosophical, abstract argument. Based upon what I've read, it's how their culture, their religion, and mind-set works; it's a sociological hallmark of Islam and Islamic societies - it's not just "my opinion." Muslims perceive "backing down" as a sign of weakness, and weakness as opportunity to over- take a culture / nation. Muslim terrorists attacked Americans during the 1990s, overseas (American military targets - as well as an attempt to blow up the World Trade Center towers in the early or mid 1990s, which was of course on American soil) - under Democratic President Clinton's watch. Clinton did not do much of anything - no retaliation. And Clinton's lack of response was construed by the extremist Muslim communities that Americans were weaklings who would not defend themselves. This, they felt, gave them the "green light" to be bolder and lash out at Americans some more. Then along comes 9/11. Muslims interpret weakness as a sign to attack more often and to attack harder. The word "Islam" means "submission." They are taught to force people to "submit" to Allah/Islam - by threat of violence, the sword. Or, you can live as a second class citizen under Islamic government. Again, based upon what I've read of the Islamic mindset, if Europeans just back down and say, "Okay, we won't print anything that offends Muslims anymore, and we will issue many apologies for having printed the cartoons to begin with," they're actually inviting more violence down the line. -------------------------- As Charles, owner of the LGF blog puts it in one blog entry, ================== The Mohammed Dance! |
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| Ironshadow | Feb 12 2006, 12:07 AM Post #16 |
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Maybe, just maybe, this will be a wakeup call to the world about what @ssholes these ragheads are, and the very real need to instantly convert to alternative fuel sources, so that the towelheads will be no more than paupers sitting on millions of gallons of UNWANTED OIL. Can't believe what @ssholes the MoHo's are- "blasphemy" huh- isn't every other f#cking person named "mohammed" in the middle east? What sh!ts. |
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| flea dip | Feb 13 2006, 01:00 AM Post #17 |
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I don't know enough about fossil fuels and alternatives to oil to give much of an opinion on that. Yes, the double standards are eye-opening and maddening. I did find this article - this article goes to show you can't always assume that a group of self-professing moderate Muslims are really moderates. Terror link of 'moderate' Muslims at London rally Excerpt: |
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| flea dip | Mar 4 2006, 07:04 PM Post #18 |
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Publish or Perish: The Lessons of the Cartoon Jihad - from The Intellectual Activist |
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| anshirk | Mar 5 2006, 04:15 AM Post #19 |
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its all getting dumb you know ,( im trying to tell the same thing ,but giving more detail) i said at the beginning of the thread they were pulling off some danish drink of the shelf , well it wasnt even danish at all, in the first place , it was a pure arab company manufacturing juice and just had a name danish labelled on it . (to say they manufactured something equivalent to danish products and their quality) thats all . the people who pulled the product off the shelf didnt even think twice . and for no reason what-so-ever the company got banned and incurred losses . they do it to each other ,the same way , about the imams who printed the additonal cartoons and framed the others . same as iran holding a contest on cartoons on holocaust they talk about themselves being insulted, if they have freedom of speech of doing the same thing , when in the first place- they dont give others freedom of speech , and going around threatening people. they dont want to come out of their primitive state . how can others live with them . one thing i would like the people to know is that hinduism dates back to 1.9 million years . since that time there has been atleast 6 incarnations of god , it is the mere opposite-ness of the islam teachings to not be allowed to draw the figure of their god. where as in hinduism it is permitted . they worship the moon and their fasting is related with the moon . while hindus worship the sun and our fasting beliefs depend upon the sunrise . now to believe such stupid drawing as some god like figure is itself stupidity. now if we draw , a hindu diety in an insulting manner am i going to believe it is the figure of it? thats dumb , first of all i dont know really what they look like in the first place then where does the chance of getting angry / or giving a hoot about it in the first place. if i want to believe it is the drawing , then its up to me .if i see a good drawing of course i will respect it . the riots and behaviour of the fanatic muslim itself indicate what the cartoons depict . then what are they really shouting about ? what about how the taliban or who ever they were demolished the buddha statues in afghanistan there were three of them , where are they now reduced to rubble ? did the buddhists come out to riot either , what about their insult by afghanis , did the other islamic countries intervene to stop that , now what did buddhists do to islam? can anybody answer !!!!! im not a buddhist, they go around beheading people no ,blowing up embassys then whats in that f***ing cartoon !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what in the hell is going on !!!!!!!!!!! ignorant jerks of society . |
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| flea dip | Mar 5 2006, 12:50 PM Post #20 |
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~~~ EDIT BELOW ~~ Oh really? I hadn't heard that. I did hear something about some shops pulling Danish bottled drinks, but that was it. Yes, the double standard is glaringly obvious and annoying. Yes, I've read in places that the origins of Islam go back to some ancient moon deity - which is why Muslims use the crescent moon shape as the symbol of their religion. Another thing I found interesting, which Rushdie discussed in his book The Satanic Verses (and which I've read of in other books) - originally, Mohammed, the founder of Islam, tried to get his tribe to believe in monotheism (one God). This could be in part to the fact that Mohammed (according to some information I've read) that Mohammed basically "ripped off" Judaism. He got some Jews to allow him to read their Scriptures, which is what he based some of the Koran on. Anyway, Mohammed's people didn't like the idea of monotheism, they preferred to worship multiple gods. So to entice them to follow him, he changed his religious teachings. He went to some popular shrine to see what the most popular gods were, and he found that the locals were very much drawn to 3 goddesses (I think they were considered to be daughters of some god). So Mohammed changed his teachings to say that it was permissible to worship the 3 female deities. When this new teaching didn't entice anyone, Mohammed scrapped the 3 goddesses teaching and went back to teaching that Allah alone was god. Fanatical Muslims are also harassing, physically abusing, and killing Christians in some parts of the world. I've also seen televised news reports that some of these Muslims are burning down or blowing up Christian church buildings overseas. In another news report I saw, the Christians were being so badly persecuted by Muslims and had been taking it for such a long time, they snapped and struck back. The government / police had not been protecting the Christians, so I guess they felt they needed to protect themselves. I don't recall what country this took place in. I can understand and empathize with a person of any faith feeling insulted if they think their religion / religious symbol(s) have been depicted disrespectfully, but I so do not understand the (extremist) Muslim penchant to act out in violence over it. You're always going to have anti-religious bigots and wise guys who will mock religion. The anti-religious bigots do so primarily because they hate religion, and the wise guys get a kick out of making religious people angry. We're always going to have these kind of people around, and the Muslims need to learn to tune them out, or at least not react in violence. According to some news reports, some Muslims are protesting peacefully. Here are a few more links about the situation: At least 10 killed in Libya cartoon riot Excerpts: Al Qaeda’s Zawahri calls for strikes against West. Self-imposed censorship in the U.S.A.: The Islamic Double Standard |
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I seriously don't understand why the Islamic extremists are complaining about this. So what if people are depicting their "leader" in an unflattering light, but in a culture that doesn't respect free speech or equality for women, I shouldn't be surprised. Come on, I mean really.... they make themselves seem holy by waging war, and get pissed when a cartoonist actually observes that fact and exploits it? How two-faced is it to go to war in the name of their "God", then act like it's unholy to know it? Yeah, yeah... I heard... it's against their religion to even draw Mohammed




1:30 PM Jul 11