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Brokeback Mountain; - in the news
Topic Started: Mar 7 2006, 06:41 PM (431 Views)
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As someone who doesn't agree with homosexuality, I found this funny. Some people are furious that "Crash" won the Oscar for best picture rather than "Brokeback Mountain."

How did ‘Brokeback Mountain’ lose? - MSNBC.com

Hollywood isn't being straight with gay community - Boston Globe

What happened to my Brokeback?

Uneasy Hollywood chooses race relations over gay cowboy drama - Times Online
  • The Los Angeles Times critic Kenneth Turan read the Academy’s decision as a sign that homosexual love stories are still taboo for the Hollywood mainstream. “For people who were discomfited by Brokeback Mountain but wanted to be able to look themselves in the mirror and feel like they were good, productive liberals, Crash provided the perfect safe harbour,” he wrote.
'Brokeback' writer accuses Academy of discrimination
  • Larry McMurtry, co-writer of ‘ Brokeback Mountain’ , thinks the urban drama ‘ Crash’ beat out his film for best picture because Academy members discriminate against rural stories.

    .... He [the writer] says: "The three rural films, I was involved with, lost. The one urban film 'Terms of Endearment' won. Members of the Academy are mostly urban people. 'Crash' was a hometown movie."
The post-Oscars debate: Why Brokeback lost
  • The victory for Crash suggested Oscar voters were more comfortable with a tale that exploited the seamy underbelly of racial conflict in contemporary Los Angeles than with a heartbreaking tale of love between two married men.

    "Perhaps the truth really is, Americans don't want cowboys to be gay," said Larry McMurtry, 69, who shared an Oscar for best adapted screenplay with Diana Ossana for Brokeback
Gene Stone: Hollywood Hardly Hearts Homosexuals
- I think this news story is wrong. The guy who wrote it insists that there is no "gay agenda" to cram homosexuality down the public's throats, and I totally disagree.

The Bird Cage with Robin Williams tried to make homosexuality look normal. It wasn't depicted negatively in Basic Instinct (Sharon Stone had a girlfriend in that movie).

Madonna's film The Next Best Thing portrayed her homosexual buddy as being a warm and caring father figure for her son.

Homosexuality was depicted as being acceptable in some other movie I saw that I can't recall the name of - it had a police character (played by one of the actors who was in Fargo) who admitted he had romantic feelings for another man.

Oh, and Colin what's-his' name played Alexander the Great in the film Alexander, and he was a big honking homosexual in that movie. The movie didn't make homosexuality look morally wrong, it seemed to just accept it as matter- of- fact.

Off the top of my head, those are the only examples I can think of.
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Alexander the Great was, in fact, gay. So it's not that unusual for it to be mentioned in the Alexander movie.
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Mar 7 2006, 08:28 PM
Alexander the Great was, in fact, gay. So it's not that unusual for it to be mentioned in the Alexander movie.
Was he?

I remember when that film came out (wasn't it directed by Oliver Stone?) that the reviews for it said that the director made Alexander look homosexual, but in reality he was probably heterosexual. :dunno:

Putting aside the homosexuality in the Alexander movie, I just thought it was lousy. The acting was bad, the dialogue was cheesey . . .
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Members of the Academy are mostly urban people. 'Crash' was a hometown movie.


Why can't that stupid Academy ever just vote for the merit of a film, regardless of where it takes place, genre, or how much money it's made? Silly how politics come into play. I used to faithfully watch the Oscars every year until 2003, when my work schedule changed. Now, with the winners getting so political in their speeches, I don't miss it.
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I'm glad "Crash" won; everyone's performance in the movie was pretty much stellar in my opinion. It's stupid for people to act like "Brokeback" is the first time anyone's ever seen gay people in a movie, or more specifically, gay people in love.
(Did they also forget the fact that Tommy Lee Jones was nominated for his role in JFK and his character was a homosexual? This would've probably been 1992 or 1993, to add another example.)
And I thought I heard that Phillip Seymour Hoffman won for his performance in Capote?
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And I thought I heard that Phillip Seymour Hoffman won for his performance in Capote?
Yeah, I think you're right.

I just thought of another example.

In Slingblade, Dwight Yoakam played an abusive husband. Billy Bob Thornton played the mentally retarded Karl. And John Ritter played a homosexual guy who was friends with the wife who was being abused by Yoakam's character.

In the 1950s film Some Like It Hot, homosexuality is hinted at. Jack Lemon dresses in drag, and this little old man has a crush on him.

At the end of the movie, Lemon gets fed up, says he and the old guy can't be a couple, rips off his wig and says, "... because I'm a man." The old guy isn't phased - he just says, "Oh well, nobody's perfect."

This web page has even more examples of homosexuals in movies, going back to the 1930s.

Here are some exceprts from that page:
  • Indeed, Marlene Dietrich caused a sensation when she finished a number in a nightclub in "Morocco" (1930) by kissing a young woman in the audience on the lips.

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    Even Greta Garbo raised eyebrows with her portrait of "Queen Christina" (1933), based on the life of a sixteenth century lesbian ruler of Sweden. While the movie invented a heterosexual romance with John Gilbert, hints of lesbianism remained, notably in her very affectionate relationship with her lady-in-waiting. When Christina is admonished by her Chancellor, "But your Majesty, you cannot die an old maid," Garbo proudly retorts, "I have no intention to, Chancellor. I shall die a bachelor!"

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    Comedies, in particular, have often found ways to push the boundaries of acceptable behavior, precisely because they're not to be taken seriously. "In the film of 'Gentlemen Prefer Blondes,'" Rudnick continues, "there's a gym full of bodybuilders who have absolutely no interest in Jane Russell" -- singing "Ain't There Anyone Here For Love?"

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    "Philadelphia," featuring a hero who was gay, and who had AIDS, touched a nerve in the movie going public, and became just such a hit. Tom Hanks ascribes some of the film's success to the fact that "my screen persona is pretty much non-threatening... [so] this idea of a gay man with AIDS... doesn't have to be scary. You don't have to be threatened by this man's presence, [partly] because little Tommy Hanks is playing the role."
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I used to faithfully watch the Oscars every year until 2003, when my work schedule changed. Now, with the winners getting so political in their speeches, I don't miss it.
Other than watching music awards shows in my teens and early 20s, I just got so bored with any kind of awards show.

I find myself caring less and less as the years go by, including who won the Oscar for whatever movie. These shows are just so boring.

A bunch of pampered, wealthy people in fancy outfits giving dull speeches interspersed with dippy, lame-o song and dance numbers or video montages of some celeb they're honoring. :snoring: :yawn:
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Was he?

I remember when that film came out (wasn't it directed by Oliver Stone?) that the reviews for it said that the director made Alexander look homosexual, but in reality he was probably heterosexual. :dunno:

Putting aside the homosexuality in the Alexander movie, I just thought it was lousy. The acting was bad, the dialogue was cheesey . . .

Yep, he was. But not in the modern sense of the word. In ancient Greece and Rome, soldiers who were often on lengthy tours of battle typically took male lovers for companionship.

Also common in Greek society was an older man taking a younger man as his lover/pupil. A mythological example of this fairly regular practice can be found in the story of Zeus and Ganymede.

Alexander had three wives as well; all of which were political alliances.

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Alexander was also gay, or perhaps bisexual, and had a lover named Hephaestion. The two were boyhood friends and had both been taught by Aristotle, and later in life they fought side by side in battle. Homer's The Illiad was Alexander's favorite book, and he saw himself and Hephaestion as the two heroes from the book, Achilles and Patroclus. Alexander refused to marry before going out to conquer the world. Later, Alexander did marry an Asian princess and also a Persian princess. However, these marriages were most likely only political as they were the daughters of kings Alexander had conquered.


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Mar 8 2006, 05:36 PM
Yep, he was. But not in the modern sense of the word. In ancient Greece and Rome, soldiers who were often on lengthy tours of battle typically took male lovers for companionship.

Also common in Greek society was an older man taking a younger man as his lover/pupil. A mythological example of this fairly regular practice can be found in the story of Zeus and Ganymede.

Alexander had three wives as well; all of which were political alliances. ....
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Thanks for the information. :)

Yeah, I was aware that the ancient Greeks and Romans were into homosexuality.

I remember seeing a show about the ancient Romans that said that the men were so used to having sex with other men that when it was time for them to get married to a female, that the female had to look like a male, as the idea of having sex with a woman scared the males.

The females would shave their hair and wear male clothing.

Of course, I also had to learn about this stuff in various college courses, mostly in mythology class and the history of western civilization or whatever that class was called.

I saw what I consider to be hints of homosexuality in The Iliad, between Achilles and one of his buddies.

Last night, I briefly googled the phrase "Alexander the great homosexual," and up came many web pages.

I went to one web page that had tons of links (with annotations), and there doesn't seem to be a consensus on the matter.

Some say yes he was homosexual, others that he was bisexual, and yet others saying no, he wasn't homosexual at all.
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Michael Caine and Christopher Reeve had a kissing scene in the mystery thriller Deathtrap this was made 1982, nobody noticed that one ,was'nt there anybody that time to object ,
now we are in newer times and still, its not excepted . it was just better off that CRASH won . why not ?
i have still yet to see the movies .how can i be the judge of that? :ask:

i was laughing at the scenes and it was shocking to see our super hero kissing a man . it was new that time .
at least for me ?
but the movie was good over all because of the suspense .and we didnt know what the ending was till it came .
it was played at school and when the teacher went out the guys in the class rewinded the vcr a dozen times , kept on seeing the kissing scene over and over again . it started to get annoying (not funny) later and the rest of the class wished they would stop rewinding it .
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I'll be sure to buy a copy :rolleyes2:

"Brokeback" DVD ride set for April 4

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  • LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - "Brokeback Mountain," which stunningly lost the best picture Academy Award this month to "Crash," is being rushed out on DVD in two weeks to capitalize on Oscar buzz, its distributor said Monday.

    The gay-cowboy romance will be available on April 4, according to Universal Studios Home Entertainment.

    The release is notable, not only because the film is still playing in theaters, but because there is usually a six-week window between the announcement and the street date. Observers say the narrowing gap reflects the growing clout of mass merchants over video specialists.
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‘Brokeback’ actor not happy, nor gay

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  • March 26, 2006

    US actor Randy Quaid has sued the makers of “Brokeback Mountain” for 10 million dollars, claiming they hoodwinked him into accepting a low-ball salary for his role in the Oscar-winning movie. The star of “Midnight Express” and “Independence Day” claimed in his suit filed in Los Angeles on Thursday that producers falsely told him the movie would be “a low-budget, art house film, with no prospect of making any money.”
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All righty then. It's not suitable for prisoners, but it's suitable for the general American population. Makes perfect sense to me. :laugh:

Brokeback Mountain 'unsuitable' for prisoners
  • 10/04/2006 - 16:24:21

    A prison officer in the US is to be punished for showing the gay cowboy movie Brokeback Mountain to inmates.

    The Department of Correction in Massachusetts said the Oscar-winning film had been judged unsuitable because it contains graphic sexually explicit scenes.

    The decision was not related to the fact it features a gay love affair, a spokeswoman said.

    Diane Wiffin said the recreation officer played the movie on Thursday at MCI-Norfolk, a medium security prison south west of Boston.

    But he had not followed the standard procedure for screening it for excessive violence, assaults on correctional staff, nudity or explicit sexual content, she added.

    .... As there were only 20 minutes left to go the inmates were allowed to watch to the end.

    “I want to make it clear, it wasn’t the subject matter – it was the graphic nature of the sexually explicit scenes,” Ms Wiffin said.

    .... As there were only 20 minutes left to go the inmates were allowed to watch to the end.

    “I want to make it clear, it wasn’t the subject matter – it was the graphic nature of the sexually explicit scenes,” Ms Wiffin said.

    Ken Ferullo, vice-president of the Massachusetts Correction Officers Federated Union, told the Boston Herald that trying to prevent prisoners engaging in sexual activity was one of the toughest problems officers faced.

    “We don’t need to foster that kind of atmosphere in there,” he said.

    “It already exists. These guys are alone together, some of them forever.

    “We’re already running ’Brokeback prison’.”
"We’re already running ’Brokeback prison’" - :o Oh my. :laugh: Woo!
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Okkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk, and what ideas can BM give them that they don't already do on a daily basis in there already?????

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This was too funny:
Italian TV snips trigger Brokeback Mountain of protest
Cuts transformed Ang Lee's gay cowboy romance into a straight tale of friendship when it was broadcast on state TV on Monday
  • Italians tuning in to their state TV network this week had a rare chance to see Brokeback Mountain, the tale of true friendship between two straight cowboys.

    At least that was the version of Ang Lee's gay cowboy Oscar-winner that was broadcast by channel Rai Due: two love scenes between the male protagonists had been excised, cuts which provoked furious accusations from gay-rights groups of censorship driven by creeping homophobia in Italy.

    "The need to change a film about homosexual love into a film about simple male friendship says a lot about the current cultural climate," said Franco Grillini, president of Gaynet.

    La Repubblica noted that the cuts - involving a kiss between actors Heath Ledger and Jake Gyllenhaal and a love scene in a tent - came days after the Vatican attacked a European Union proposal that the United Nations formally condemn discrimination against gays.

    But Rai yesterday claimed the cuts were an honest mistake and promised to broadcast the full version of the 2005 film. "Since it went out after the watershed we could have shown the full version but did not have the copy," said Rai director general Claudio Cappon. The copy broadcast, Rai said, had been supplied by a distributor for use before the watershed.

    Opposition senator Luigi Vimercati called the explanation "embarrassing" and said he would demand a parliamentary inquiry.

    Critics noted that while the gay love scenes were removed, censors left a heterosexual sex scene in Monday night's version. "Evidently it is not sex which creates fear and pain, but the feelings between two men," said Grillini.

    Today, La Stampa asked in a headline, "Who stole the gay kiss?"; on the other hand, Il Giornale, the newspaper owned by the family of prime minister Silvio Berlusconi, dismissed the protest as the work of "the politically correct lobby".

    Vladimir Luxuria, a transsexual former member of the Italian parliament, said Rai's explanation was believable, but said the version aired was like "the Mona Lisa without a head". She added, "A work of art deserves respect." Luxuria was last month voted by TV viewers the winner of L'Isola dei Famosi, a celebrity Big Brother contest filmed on a tropical island and broadcast on Rai Due.
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