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| Dan Brown / Da Vinci Code; - also: Angels and Demons sequel | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: May 17 2006, 03:54 AM (382 Views) | |
| Ironshadow | May 17 2006, 03:54 AM Post #1 |
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#1 mandona hater
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crap book= crap movie- but it really would be funny if the target audience- atheists- didn't give it the support it needs.
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| Mihoshi Marie | May 18 2006, 03:11 PM Post #2 |
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to whom it may concern
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It would be funny. Even though I am Catholic, I find the theory that Jesus and Mary Magdalene had children intriguing. I am so tired of the media acting like this book and film are the first time this 'theory' has even been mentioned. It's not original. A lot of people - athiests and believers - are going to see the film just to piss the fundies off. That is stupid. Let's all go see a mediocre film we wouldn't see otherwise just to piss off a bunch of Christians! |
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| flea dip | May 18 2006, 08:10 PM Post #3 |
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Garden variety critics don't like the film, either. I've seen many negative reviews of it. Remember when that other movie came out years ago.. what was it called, "The Last Temptation of Christ?" - I remember that was controversial back then. It eventually blew over, as I expect this will. I'm offended by Tom Hanks' hair style in this movie. ![]() Tom Hanks in Da Vinci movie: ![]() IS Hosted ![]() IS Host Wasn't the Nicolas Cage movie National Treasure released before the Da Vinci Code book? ![]() There are many, many errors in the Brown book / movie, but it's being passed off as fact, (even though the book is classified as fiction). The Brown book/movie subtly attacks the deity of Jesus and the infallibility of the Bible, hiding behind the guise of, "Aw shucks, it's only a work of fiction, get over it." I dare Brown to write a simliar book, but only using Islam as the religion 'o' choice to debunk via fiction. Brown mixes a lot of errors with a little truth in his Da Vinci story, the result being that a lot of people who read the book and/or who see the movie will actually believe that the errors and fictional aspects are truth. I don't understand the habit of skeptics attacking Christianity by way of the Roman Catholic Church (which Brown has done). Christianity does not rise or fall on Roman Catholicism - plenty of Protestants and Baptists can defend Christianity and the true Gospels on their own; they don't have to rely on RCC "tradition" or any of that. It's like fine, rip on the Roman Catholic Church, but how are you going to respond to all the Protestants and Baptists who can capably refute your criticisms, without appeal to "Tradition," or the papacy, or "Church authority?" Here are some reviews (I actually agree with some of the French reviewers): `Da Vinci Code' Draws Boos and Yawns From Europe's Film Critics Excerpts: Excerpts: This is weird: Russian Muslims Demand Banning “Da Vinci Code” Movie, Novel I know that Muslims regard Jesus as one prophet among many, but I don't see what they get out of trying to ban the movie. Hmm, if Roman Catholic peaceful protests and boycotts can't stop the film, I bet angry Muslims can ![]() ---------------------- A few links refuting the claims made in Brown's book and film (which are in my current sig line): The Da Vinci Code Debunked The Da Vinci Code: A Quest For Answers - (see also: list of links on the right side of page) Jesus and DaVinci |
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| Ironshadow | May 19 2006, 03:03 AM Post #4 |
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#1 mandona hater
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buying into, or even considering, the Dan Brown Code is the same as denying the Salvation. It's retching, overwhelming twaddle of such staggering stupidity that it's hard to believe even atheists would pay money for it. It is on the same level as the holocaust denials (and from the same source), and has only gotten widespread attention due to the people who think that Christianity-bashing will save them from the muslims. |
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| maddyhater | May 19 2006, 10:00 AM Post #5 |
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Duranie Madonna Hater
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my attitude about all this religious crap is this, none of us know for sure what's true and what isn't. None of us have been dead, met and/or saw any higher being, then came back to life in order to let everyone know what the real scoop is. Religion is basically what YOU believe in as an individual, most of it stems from how you were raised, or in the case of Madonna... what religious cult wants to take your sleazy money badly enough to kiss your behind! MH |
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| flea dip | May 19 2006, 04:20 PM Post #6 |
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I've no doubt that some critics of Christianity are gleeful over the Brown book and film, but I have actually heard that some Non Christian people, such as art historians who are Non Christian, have ripped Brown's book to pieces for its inaccuracies. Even some of the Non Christian academians are shocked at how shoddy Brown's research is, how many mistakes he made - not just in regards to art work, but in historical details. Brown even got some dates wrong in the book. Are albinos planning on boycotting the Da Vinci Code film? -Brown has a serial killin' albino priest or monk or whatever in the story. You don't have to do that personally to know the truth. From the traditional Christian perspective, that's what the eye witness accounts in the Gospels are all about - the apostles (Luke on behalf of the apostle Peter) who knew and walked with Jesus described the one who died and who was resurrected, Jesus of Nazareth. The apostles testified to this, that they had seen the risen Christ. The apostles were not the only ones who saw the risen Christ, either. The apostles had nothing to gain from pronouncing this information, as all of them were either jailed or killed because of it, and they knew such a violent outcome could be a possibility. All of the New Testament was written by 90 - 95 AD, which was during the generation of those who had actually seen and knew Jesus, so if any of it had been untrue, the critics of Christianity back then could have easily stopped the whole movement by saying their claims were false. The Pharisees couldn't rely on the "let's show folks the dead body of Jesus" routine (since there was no dead body to display - had there been one, they most certainly would've produced it), or "let's say the apostles stole the body," since the body of Jesus was placed in a tomb guarded by - I've read anywhere from 4 to 19 Roman guards. The penalty for Roman guards falling asleep on the job was death. I also don't know how likely it is that all 4-, 12-, or 19 would have fallen asleep at the same time. Then you have the problem of, how does a man who was savagely scourged, beaten, and crucified have the physical strength to push aside a very heavy rock that was blocking his tomb? I've read that the rock may have weighed anywhere from 1 ton to 2 tons. Jesus and his crucifixon were also mentioned in Non Christian sources around, I believe, the 1st and 2nd centuries. (As far as the dates are concerned, I'd have to double check on that.) Here's one page summarizing it all.... Facts About The Resurrection of Jesus Christ There are some Christians who have died and have come back to life to say they went to heaven, met with relatives who had gone on before and so on. ----------------- Another stellar review:'Da Vinci' falls flat on screen Excerpt: |
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| Ironshadow | May 19 2006, 10:35 PM Post #7 |
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#1 mandona hater
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Speak for yourself. History is not an opinion. Things that happened, whether five minutes ago or five thousand years ago, are not subject to belief. |
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| maddyhater | May 20 2006, 11:10 AM Post #8 |
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Duranie Madonna Hater
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let's face it, most of the American views from when our country started were based on Christian principles brought here with Columbus. The American Indians don't believe in someone called Jesus, they have their own belief system, their own stories being told down from generation to generation. They wrote very little down, the elders passed down history verbally. I"m intelligent enough to make up my own mind about what I do and don't believe, I don't let someone preach to me about what I should think, do, or say. God gave us all brains *I could insert the jokes about "he thought they said trains and wanted a slow one", but I won't, dang, I guess I just did!* It's too bad there are so many that don't know how to use what they've been given. The good thing about living in the US is that we are allowed to think and believe whatever we want, we are allowed to have differences of opinion, and speak out about what we think it right or wrong. Punishing someone for being a different color, different religion, different race, or who they choose to love is not our right. Only God can judge us in the end, and he will. Until then, I will live my life as I choose, and not let others influence me. There is no preacher alive or dead that has the right to tell me how to live. MH |
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| Ironshadow | May 21 2006, 10:51 PM Post #9 |
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There is no one, dead or alive, who can speak for me, either. Most Native Americans- my ancestors-are Christian. By choice. There are Christian Arabs. There are Christian Chinese. Christianity isn't ''going away'', no matter who attacks it. We're entitled to stand up to attackers like Dan Brown and companies that produce lies, slander, and worse- because it's not only our right, it's our CHOICE. People who support Dan Brown don't realise they're not supporting any kind of a choice- they are supporting an attack. No one is trying to- or cares to- convert them- but they'd better be prepared for the consequences of attacking an individual, because that's what it amounts to, and that's what they're going to get. |
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| flea dip | May 29 2006, 07:47 PM Post #10 |
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I'll have to answer maddy hater's second post in the thread at a later time.Unfortunately, some Christians have been attending the movie. Some of them say they view it as an opportunity to evangelize. I've seen some self-professing Christians interviewed by Christian news shows right after they've walked out of the Da Vinci movie, and some of them have been suckered by the movie's claims. They believe that the claims made in the movie could be true. If these people spent more time learning about the historic roots of Christianity and the origins of the Bible, they'd realize that Brown's book and movie are bunk. Years and years ago, I began reading up on a lot of these issues, about the transmission of and preservation of the Bible, about the Gnostic texts, and how nominal, liberal Christians were trying to re-define who Christ is and trying to explain away the New Testament as it currently is. So the claims that Brown has made are nothing new - he's simply repeating many of the things I had read of before. It bothers me that so many Christians have not heard these things before, they act as though Brown's claims are new. As such, some of them are not prepared for a book or movie such as this, and they therefore can be manipulated to reject their faith or have doubts. If those Christians had been paying attention long before Brown's book/movie came out (e.g., trends in Jesus / biblical scholarship), they would have known in advance that the book/movie are not credible. Anyhow, rather than reply to Maddy Hater's 2nd post at this time, for now, I wanted to post this info - and there are a few other stories about the X-Men movie knocking the Da Vinci Code film out of the number one box office spot. :clap: Hugh Jackman is in this X-men movie (as he was in the previous two), and I've had a crush on him for a few years now. This gives me another reason to love him. ![]() And for what it's worth, I'd rather see Hugh Jackman as Wolverine than some dude as an albino monk or Tom Hanks with a weird hair cut. ![]() 'X-Men' annihilates 'Da Vinci' at box office |
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| flea dip | Aug 6 2006, 11:31 PM Post #11 |
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Back in its day (late 1970s), Sophie's Choice was apparently the anti-Semitic book (later made into a movie) equivalent to the recent anti-Christian book The Da Vinci Code. ~Both claiming to "tell the truth," both claiming that each group (Jews/Sophie's Choice and Christians/DaVinci Code) are ignorant of their own past, they have it all wrong, history has been distorted, blah blah, and etc. etc. Also, both works are fiction, but both authors are each presenting their books as factual, based- on- truth, giving the misleading impression to any one who reads their books that they are Non-fiction. Jews Without Memory - Sophie’s Choice and the Ideology of Liberal Anti-Judaism (A Critique of Sophie's Choice) |
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| flea dip | Feb 26 2007, 04:40 PM Post #12 |
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Ironshadow, Hollywood types are at it again: > James Cameron Finds Jesus? > Scholars Criticize New Jesus Documentary > Director's Titanic find: 'Christ's coffin' This is supposed to appear on some cable channel, the Discovery Channel I think, or one of those other educational channels on cable TV. It's called "The Burial Cave of Jesus." 1- why do we never (or rarely) see mainstream, wide- released movies questioning the origins of other faiths? Hollywood seems fixated on discounting only Christianity. Not Buddhism, Hinduism, or Islam. Just Christianity. 2- why is it when archaeologists find items supporting the biblical narratives and the origins of Christianity that the liberal scholars find some reason to dismiss it, but the moment someone thinks he's found evidence of Jesus' tomb, all the sudden skepticism is tossed aside? There was an ossuary found a few years ago, one that dated from around the time of Christ, inscribed with the phrase, "James, brother of Jesus." The liberal scholars and theologians said that particular ossuary wasn't any kind of evidence at all, and that it was probably some other James and some other Jesus and not the James and Jesus of the New Testament. Now Cameron finds some ossuaries that mention some of these names on them, so the leftists and doubters are jumping up and down in glee saying that 'Jesus' tomb has been found.' Oh... I bet you a million dollars that Cameron is going to explain in the movie (or in the interviews for the movie) that he's not "attacking" the Christian faith with this movie, it's just "another way" of viewing Christianity. ![]() The Apostle Paul said in the New Testament if Christ was not resurrected then your faith is in vain (i.e., Christianity is bogus, and there's no point in being one). But no, it's not attacking Christianity for these guys to keep vomiting up these kinds of books and movies where they say that either - Jesus didn't die on the cross or He wasn't resurrected ![]() |
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| Ironshadow | Feb 26 2007, 11:09 PM Post #13 |
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The James ossuary was proven to be a forgery by a notorious antiquities dealer and forger. Forgery is commonplace in the field of artifacts and many museums have fakes sitting in them, as well as thousands of wealthy people who think they've got a piece of king arthur's scabbard or such other crap in their armoire. This particular sh!t was debunked years ago by archeologists as having nothing to do with Jesus. These two tw@ts- Titanic Boy and the other queef- are strictly out to scoop up all the cash that will be thrown at them by excited leftists. I guess Titanic Boy hasn't had any hits for a while. |
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| flea dip | May 12 2009, 02:58 PM Post #14 |
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Hollywood Does It Again: "Angels & Demons" Flick Changes Muslim Villain to "Danish" Villain |
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