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Topic Started: Jun 17 2006, 07:50 PM (9,016 Views)
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Jun 17 2006, 07:50 PM
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Oh jeeze. I think it has begun. I didn't think we'd start seeing this stuff until, I dunno, ten or more years from now.
A long time ago - like about 2, 3 years ago at the old board - I said if Grandma-donna continues in show business, she may very well continue posing as a sex kitten in photo spreads and music videos, even up into her 80s.
I further predicted that the fawning media and college professors would use that to say,- "There goes that trail blazing, taboo-breaking Madonna again! There she goes defying the stereotype that women over the age of X cannot be sexy and dress sleazy!
And then we'd have to endure news paper articles or t.v. show hosts blathering on about how 75 year old women can wear mini-skirts, because Madonna is doing it, and isn't that swell.
I see a foreshadowing of that thinking in articles such as this -
What Age Do You Dress?- Jun 17 2006
Shirley Bassey, 69, looked a knockout at the Queen's official birthday knees-up this week. But she chose a designer, Missoni, which is beloved of the 30-something cash-rich fashion set. It prompted Rin Simpson to ask whether women should, and do, dress their age...
MISSONI. The label which is yet to be tarnished as a chav must- have is usually sported by the discerning 30-something.
So some commentators may argue that our Welsh diva Bassey was taking a risk in dressing "so young".
The traditional put-down of choice between ages was - "She's mutton dressed as lamb." But in today's fluid fashion times, when the age divisions are being broken down by personal trainers, better diets, great treatments and, dare we say it, Botox, who's to say where the boundaries now lie?
Madonna looks almost the same at 47 as she did at 27, and, increasingly, older women can clearly get away with what would traditionally be deemed younger styles.
Welsh stylist Helen Humphries believes there are rules which you must still follow if you want to look good as you mature.
"Not wearing things that are too short, covering certain parts of your body, even if they still look good, not wearing skirts too short or tops too low," she counsels.
"Even if you have an amazing figure, if you're past a certain age it's not the done thing to wear anything too revealing."
And Bassey didn't do too badly with her Missoni choice: "The cleavage thing I'm not keen about, but she's covering up her knees."
But the bright yellow Julien Macdonald creation sported for Bassey's final Welsh concert at Cardiff International Arena last week was, according to Helen, less appropriate - even though it went down a storm with her fans.
"Shirley's got fantastic legs and she tends to show them off quite a lot. I can understand her wanting to do that but you should stop at a certain point. Going above the knees is not acceptable for her age. At her age trying to be sexy is not what you should be trying for."
However Bethan Morris, senior fashion lecturer at Newport University says, "A 50-year-old with a great figure can definitely wear a miniskirt so long as it is appropriate for the occasion. Madonna is the queen of changing her style depending on the occasion. The golden rule is to keep in mind body shape and the appropriateness of the occasion and you should be able to wear anything at any age."
Anastasia Adamec, of fashion boutique Raggs in Cowbridge, said, "It's all a question of how you feel when you put something on, how you perceive yourself. If you're thinking 'Do I look too young?' then forget it, don't even go there."
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Jun 17 2006, 09:03 PM
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She looks the same at 47 as 27??? Hasn't the author seen old pics of her? I don't recall Madonna having a sunken-in horseface and scrawny skeletal legs when she was in her 20s. She also had more normal looking hands and arms then. She had breasts then too.
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Jan 14 2007, 07:51 PM
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This is already a trend. When Madonna does it (and you know she will), the media will either credit her for starting the trend, or will praise her for jumping on to it.
The Graying of Naughty - New York Times - By SHARON WAXMAN
Published: December 31, 2006
DE’BELLA — or Debbie, as everybody calls her — decided late in life to become a porn star. This year she turned 50, time, she knew, to chase her dream.
.... “I decided I wanted to do something different,” she said. “I’d been working behind the scenes, and my friends said: ‘Why not do movies? Have some fun, and get paid for it?’ ”
So she has. Since May, De’Bella (she did not want her real name published) has used days off from her job as an administrative assistant at a sex-related entertainment company, Platinum X, to shoot about 30 scenes, with men mostly 19 and 20 year old.
And while she is sort of a novelty — appearing on “The Howard Stern Show” to talk about her new career — it is no longer unusual (hey, Hollywood, pay attention) to see women, and men, of a certain age performing in sex movies.
“There has been a greater openness to older performers than there once was,” said Mark Kernes, a senior editor at Adult Video News, or AVN, the industry’s main trade paper. “Typically, once you got to 35, your possibilities were pretty much shot.”
Not anymore. The pornography industry, that multibillion-dollar-a-year symbol of airbrushed American carnality, is aging.
The advent of Viagra, the maturing of sexually aware baby boomers and overall improved health and beauty are all contributing to the graying of naughty.
The biggest change is in the sexual desirability of women old enough to be the viewer’s mother. It has been fueled in part by pop culture’s embrace of the sexy 40-something women of “Desperate Housewives” and “Stacy’s Mom,” the 2003 hit song about a teenager’s mother who “has got it going on.”
The mature-woman genre represents one of the fastest growing areas of video pornography, say leading distributors and retailers, and next month it will be inaugurated as a category at the AVN Awards, the Oscars of the skin trade.
Most of the movies are like the one De’Bella is shooting on this particular day in the Valley, a gonzo shoot — meaning it is more or less plot-free sex for 40 minutes or so.
De’Bella’s dark hair is up in a chignon, pinned with a couple of rhinestone clips. When her performing partner, Rod Fontana, 54, shows up — he’s tall and gangly with a shaved head — she smiles sweetly and shakes his hand. They have never met before.
“What’s the premise on this one?” he asks. “Pizza boy?”
Whatever. Within a few unscripted minutes they’re mostly unclothed, panting and moaning for the camera, engaged in sexual contortions and obviously unbothered by visiting onlookers.
The director, Urbano Martin, points his camera strategically, scarcely disguising his boredom. “I shoot specialty films,” he explains during a break in filming, adding that he has been in the business for 17 years. “Fat women, old women, hairy girls — all kinds. We feed the niche.”
The market for beautiful, airbrushed young women “is oversaturated,” he says. “This is more normal people, more meat on the bone, like what you have at home.”
De’Bella is not one of those otherworldly California creatures untouched by time. She looks like what she is, an attractive 50-year-old, with eyelids and cheeks that have succumbed to gravity and concentric circles of rippled skin on her belly from childbirth, three decades ago, and from dropping 38 pounds this year.
Still married to the same man after 28 years, De’Bella comes from a small town in Colorado and never imagined that she might become involved in pornography. “I was married and had a baby at 19,” she says. “I don’t know if I could have done it then.”
That baby grew up and moved to California to become a sex-film performer under the name Jewel De’Nyle, which started her mother down the same path.
De’Bella’s husband, Larry Schwarz, is fully supportive. “She’s doing it for the right reasons,” he said.
Other mature stars are retired pornography performers who have been lured back into the limelight, like a 40-something former star known as Lisa Ann, and 35-year-old Tiffany Mynx or the performer turned director Devinn Lane, who has started a Web site to recruit women for her hardcore short films.
Vicky Vette, 41, blond and buxom — who could pass for 10 years younger — jumped in a couple of years ago...
WHO watches this stuff?
By far the most avid consumers of older-woman pornography, producers say, are young men fulfilling boyhood fantasies of teacher lust or yearning for the attractive mothers of their friends.
Some, it has been suggested, may be tired of what one producer, Oren Cohen, has called, in a recent AVN article, “the young, helpless teen thing.”
David Joseph, 38, De’Bella’s boss and the president of Platinum X, said: “It’s totally an erotic thing people are attracted to. There’s a huge market out there for older women. I’m trying to understand it myself.”
But the older-woman fantasy is nothing new, even if the video pornography industry is scarcely more than three decades old.
It may be that the revival of young men’s teenage fantasies, along with the sexual confidence of older women, is fueling the supply side as well as the demand.
The genre has been credited as the idea of Bonnie Kail, 48, the national sales manager of Wicked Pictures.
A few years ago Ms. Kail was working for a small company, Heatwave Entertainment, which specialized in fetish sex, including so-called granny porn, which feature old women. She thought there was room for less freakish fantasy.
“I had said from my personal experience that, being divorced, I’m lucky if I can meet someone my age,” Ms. Kail recalled.
“Most guys who want to date me are in their late 20s. So I thought, let’s get some hot-looking, 40-ish women and make that the theme.”
Her boss at the time, Gabor Szabo, was the first to package mature-women movies as a distinct genre, and nearly every other sex-movie company has followed with its own line. Popular titles include “Hot 50+” and “Housewives Unleashed.”
Still, the trend has taken a lot of the pornography world by surprise, including Mr. Joseph of Platinum X. When De’Bella asked him for permission to pursue a sex-film career in her spare time, he was mystified.
“It was weird to me,” he said. “She could be my mom. At first I thought it would blow over and that maybe no one would hire her. But then people started hiring her, and then they wanted her for magazines. It’s crazy. This is supposed to be an industry with the youngest, newest, most beautiful girls in the world. Isn’t youth what everyone wants?”
Apparently not. And if women performers traditionally last just a handful of years before losing their sizzle, there are male performers who have been stars for as long as there has been a thriving sex-film business in the Valley, ever since the shotgun marriage of video and sexual liberation in the 1970s.
Ron Jeremy, perhaps the industry’s best-known male star, is 53 and still appears in sex movies. Randy Spears, 45, has been performing in them for 20 years and is still going strong.
At 66, Dave Cummings bills himself as the oldest pornographic-film star working, though he is a relative newcomer to the business. Married for 22 years until his wife left him, as he put it, “for someone with hair,” Mr. Cummings has four grandchildren and a thriving film career.
“My daughter’s feeling is: ‘Dad, I love you. It doesn’t make any difference,’ ” he said by phone from San Diego, where he began swinging with couples after his divorce in the 1990s, which led to his sex-films gig.
“My son thinks of me as his hero,” he added. “When he’s out chasing girls, he says, ‘Ever hear of Dave Cummings?’ My son is getting action because of me.”
The dirty little not-so-secret weapons of aging male performers are erectile aids like Viagra and Cialis. Mr. Cummings said he prefers Viagra, but uses it rarely, for instance when he is scheduled for back-to-back sex scenes or “when I’m working for a producer who’s very demanding.”
De’Bella’s recent partner, Mr. Fontana, said he used only herbal stimulants.
Like a lot of experienced actors in the business, Mr. Cummings directs as well as acts in his movies (don’t ask: mirrors are involved), and they frequently play on dirty old man fantasies, with titles like “It’s a Daddy Thing,” “Sugar Daddy” and one just three months ago featuring a 19-year-old woman and a group of older sex-film stars. Mr. Cummings is on the cover of the DVD, leaning on a walker.
He intends to stay in the game as long as he can. “I’m not looking to get married,” he said.
“I’m too old for that. I don’t know that there’s anyone out there I could easily find who could understand that the reason I’m not having sexual climax this morning isn’t because I don’t love her. It’s because I have to go to work.”
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Jan 15 2007, 11:06 PM
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Regarding old people wearing sleazy teenage clothes i think its ridiculous, it shouldnt be encouraged by society or accepted, each day more people over 40 are trying to dress up like 20 year olds which is ridiculous, some men say that if they have a good body they should wear the clothes they want or that its all about attitude and the way u feel, i say its BS! they look ridiculous, they should stop trying to be sexy cause it looks ridiculous at a certain age.
my mom friend who´s about 50 years old came to my house yesterday and she was wearing a very short and tight minidress that a 20 year old hooker would wear, she looked ridiculous, not even her 25 year old daughter dresses like that. older women are aging so they try to find ways to still looks sexy but thats just awful and looks hideous but the problem is that men encourage that and tell them that its ok for them to dress like that so they keep on doing it and dressing sleazy.
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Jan 18 2007, 06:41 PM
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"Dancing" For a giggle, watch the young skanky thing mesmerize her fans with an early dance. Now remember, she's in prime form here, and her fans call her a legendary dancer. Hmmm, a dancer who doesn't break a sweat? I can do this in my sleep!
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Dec 10 2007, 07:06 AM
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Madonna Slams Age Stereotypes - PR Inside
Madonna Slams Age Stereotypes
Um-hmm, it looks as though Madonna is already setting herself up for the role of Sexy Senior Citizen.
She will no doubt continue to pose naked, grabbing her crotch for magazine shoots and videos, so she can "create controversy" by having journalists and feminist college professors discuss 'mature' sexuality and society's unwillingess to accept it.
I can already see the pandering, condescending articles championing "tolerance" for women acting like tramps well into their 80s.
Expect her fans to repeat this 'ageism' crap ad nauseum in their defense of her. That is, not only will Madonna's critics be slapped with the untrue label of "jealous," but now it will also include charges of ageism.
All of us will be told that if we don't find jowls and sagging skin sexy - or the sight of a 50+ year old in leotards becoming - that we're backwards, narrow minded and "ageist." 
My response...
Not only is being a slut wrong at age 20 or 30, but it's just as wrong at age 50, 55, or 60.
But again, I am betting that Madonna is going to present herself as the icon and defender of 'mature' sexuality.
And once again, we'll begin finding puke-worthy gushing editorials by Camille Paglia types about how brave, daring, and feminist Madonna is for breaking another barrier.
-Which is ridiculous. Cher maintained a sexy diva image well into her 60s, before Madonna did. So did Tina Turner.
Madonna has a lot at stake in this, I'd say. This is her way of cutting off, in advance, any criticism of her acting like a 20- year- old dance diva when she's 60 years old and still expected to record teeny- bopper dance music for her Live Nation contract.
Madonna Slams Age Stereotypes- 2007-12-10 00:30:37 -
Superstar MADONNA has criticised society's long-held stereotypes for the middle-aged, insisting she will never conform to most people's expectations of a 50-year-old woman.
The singer is apprehensive about reaching her landmark 50th birthday in August (08) - but adamantly refuses to become a victim of ageism.
She says, "Not only does society suffer from racism and sexism but it also suffers from ageism.
"Once you reach a certain age you're not allowed to be adventurous, you're not allowed to be sexual. I mean, is there a rule? Are you supposed to just die?"
Madonna refuses to become victim of ageism - Pop star Madonna, who will be 50 next year, dislikes society's views on middle aged women and says she will not allow herself to become a victim of ageism.
Contactmusic.com quoted her as saying: 'Not only does society suffer from racism and sexism but it also suffers from ageism. Once you reach a certain age you're not allowed to be adventurous, you're not allowed to be sexual. I mean, is there a rule? Are you supposed to just die?'
Madonna refuses to become victim of ageism - Earth Times Other threads of interest:
Madonna: Too Old, Too White, Too English
The Old "Ageism" Defense - Same Old Garbage
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Dec 11 2007, 03:25 AM
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menopause is going to hit her hard in the face, she'll be wearing adult diapers soon, she won't even know it that she peed her pants!
someone get her a walker please!
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Dec 11 2007, 03:18 PM
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According to the site madonnalicious.com,- Note:
Thanks to all the readers who have written in to us saying that this [Madonna Slams Age Stereotypes ] is an OLD quote from an interview way back in 1992....before she'd even turned 40! Not sure why the press chose to revive this quote.
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Dec 11 2007, 06:59 PM
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So...if she is all for Ageing Sexiness why doesn't she act her age? Why desperately try to hide it behind airbrushed photos, longsleeves, and face surgery and Botox and hair dye? When she lets her gray grow out and stops altering her photos and stretching her face, THEN I'll buy it. Again she acts the hypocrite.
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Madonna Sexes Up New Album- And despite pushing 50, it's good to see Madge remains as adventurous as ever in her thigh-length boots and leather gloves.
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At least this article is negative towards Madonna.
Who's afraid of the big five-oh? - Published Date: 23 March 2008
Source: Scotland On Sunday By Dani Garavelli
Who says pushing 50 has to mean a comfy chair and slippers? Today, it seems, the half century is just a new beginning
WHETHER it's Madonna looking like a slutty female flyweight on the cover of her latest album, Hard Candy, or John McEnroe flaunting his taut body on the beach, one thing's for sure: pushing 50 ain't what it used to be.
Once, contemplating your half century meant settling down in your armchair and tuning into The Archers. But as Madge and McEnroe showed last week, it doesn't have to be this way.
Today's third-agers are more likely to be spending their children's inheritance, embarking on unsuitable new relationships or going bungee jumping than having an early night with a cup of Ovaltine.
Some are using the time to achieve lifelong ambitions: writing a book; learning to paint or getting a degree. But for others, hitting the big five-oh is an excuse to behave even more disgracefully than they did in their youth.
For her latest book Sex And The Seasoned Woman, author Gail Sheehy interviewed 400 women from 45 to 91 and found hitting 50 brought with it a new sense of vitality. One dentist, for example, decided it was about time she learned to fly. This in turn led to a love affair with a 28-year-old flying instructor.
"We belong to a new universe of lusty, liberated women who are not willing to settle for the older stereotypical roles of middle age," says Sheehy. "A seasoned woman is spicy. She has been marinated in life experience. She is committed to living fully and passionately in the second half of her life, despite failures and false starts."
For some people, of course, it isn't so much a case of hitting 50 – it's more a case of 50 hitting them. Plastic surgeons' waiting lists are full of third-agers struggling to turn back time.
Women are going under the scalpel to get rid of eye bags and laughter lines, while men are having pectoral implants and liposuction on beer bellies.
Last week the Foreign Office highlighted the growing problem of "Saga louts" – over-50s getting tanked up and into trouble abroad.
There were also new reports of a marked increase in sexually transmitted disease among the over-50s as, newly single after divorce or bereavement, they enjoy a sexual freedom they missed out on in the past.
A veritable bevy of glamorous stars are hitting their half-century this year: Sharon Stone, Michelle Pfeiffer and Holly Hunter among them – and their attitude seems to be that age is no longer a bar to anything.
Madonna – whose new single '4 Minutes', featuring Justin Timberlake, will be released tomorrow – seems to be a 49-year-old in denial. Those who work with her may call her Oldfrapp behind her back, but she battles every day to create the illusion that she is still in her 20s.
Rigorous work-outs mean she can perform eye-boggling stunts on stage.
However, unlike tennis champion and fellow 49-year-old McEnroe, whose body looks every bit as good as it did at Wimbledon 15 years ago, exercise has left her [Madonna's] arms sinewy, while what is rumoured to be plastic surgery has left her face looking harsh and angular.
Not many women of Madonna's age would want to pose legs akimbo in a black leotard and thigh-length boots – for their children's sake if not their own. It is, she insists, all a question of attitude.
Jamie Lee Curtis, who turns 50 in November, has taken a very different approach. Refusing to rage against the dying of the light, she shows how it is possible to make an asset of the encroaching years.
Proud of the way time has changed her body, she has posed grey-haired and topless for the front cover of a forthcoming issue of the Association of American Retired People's magazine.
The actress, who eschews plastic surgery, said she decided to bare all to convince women they can still be beautiful in old age if they take care of their bodies.
To Glasgow writer Muriel Gray, who enters her sixth decade in August, Madonna's approach to ageing borders on the pathetic. "I do feel sorry for people who sold themselves on sex – when they get to this age they must have a real crisis," says Gray, who looks to the likes of Dame Helen Mirren and Dame Judi Dench as templates for growing old gracefully.
"I feel that when you hit 50, you need to behave with a little bit more decorum – I mean I still do silly things, but I don't go clubbing. Because I have the same body shape as I had when I was 17, I do sometimes go into shops and buy the most ridiculous outfits. I bring them home and realise there's an almost 50-year-old head sticking out the top. Then I hand them over to teenage girls who think it's fantastic I could have been so self-deluded."
Emma Soames, former editor of Saga magazine agrees. "There's a saying: 'If youth but knew and age but could.' Your fifties are the only time in your life when you do have the knowledge and you still have the drive and ability," she says.
Of course, the years may exact a more punishing toll than a few wrinkles and a receding hairline – Prince, a few months shy of turning 50, is about to get a hip replacement, and 49-year-old Michael Jackson has had most of his face replaced.
Between denial and surrender, is there a third way?
Unlike many of her peers, Pfeiffer makes no claims to be reconciled to turning 50, declaring only: "Well, it's better than the alternative, isn't it." She has decided against plastic surgery, though it's something she thinks about from time to time.
Her obsession with beauty creams is, however, diminishing with age. "I have so many beauty products, I'm not kidding you. So certainly I feel the pressure that women feel and at times, it's a struggle," she admits. "But the older I get, the less of an issue it becomes."
For Sharon Stone, too, an obsession with the physical signs of ageing is a sign of superficiality. "How can people be so selfish and obsessed with it?" the actress asked last year. "You should realise how lucky you are when you have a wrinkle. That means you are alive. That means you have laughed and cried."
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Remember how I've said that feminists and journalists are going to turn Grandma-donna into the poster girl for Senior Citizen Sexiness?
Well, one of them has actually used the phrase "poster girl" to describe Granny's inability to stop dressing like a 21 year old at the age of 49:
Madonna sups at the fountain of youth - Madonna will be 50 this year, setting a terrifying new physical benchmark for women. With dear Madge still on the scene, complete with her apple-sized rear and biceps like bulldozers, there is no chance of any of us going gently into that dark pair of elasticated trousers with the nice, forgiving seams.
Madonna's devotion to the spiritual life of the committed kabbalist may sit awkwardly with her penchant for posing with her ankles around her ears, but somehow she has set the gold standard for aspiring and slowly expiring middle-aged women everywhere.
By fair means or foul, she has become the poster girl for the kind of superior, celestial anti-ageing that only the very best clinics can provide, while her reputation as the dominatrix Duracell bunny of the peri-menopausal set remains unchallenged. Respect to the old girl.
If anyone can convince females that the climacteric is an anti-climax then, puff, puff, it is surely going to be her-two-three-four. Now repeat 100 times on the other leg.
How does she do it? According to one of her trainers, Madonna's daily workouts involve running, skipping, sprinting, toning, pulsing, piking and crunching. Yes, most of us do exactly the same every day. When eating a really nice lunch.
Yet as the 49-year-old's ferocious attempts to stay young, vibrant, viable and dairy-free shame us all, we must continue to admire any star whose fame has shone so brightly over at least two decades.
As most celebrities would admit after you showed them the appropriate Rorschach ink blots and hit them once or twice with a fully charged cattle prod, it is not getting to the top, but having the courage and strength to remain there, that is so darned hard. To this end, Madonna has proved that she is a woman with the staying power and tenacity of a rat stuck up a particularly delicious drainpipe.
[this following part was added in the "cliche'" thread:] Pop songs. Acting. Budget clothing ranges. Marriage. Charity. Adoption of quasi-orphans. Mission to instruct poor African country in the ways of Kabbalah. Directing films. Making documentaries. Sex goddess until death or bus pass, whichever comes first.
There is no end to her attempts to find fresh reserves of talent within her toned and honed frame. Gotta be good at something, seems to be her mantra as she sups deep at the fountain of youth. Yet succeed or fail at one or all of these projects, Madonna just keeps on going, rising unbowed from every stumble with admirable resolve.
However, just as all young girls realise that the day will come when they must no longer dot their "i"s with little hearts, will the moment arrive when Madonna decides that it is no longer seemly to cavort in front of the world in the kind of rubber knickers Batman's granny might reject as being too kinky?
Hardly. With her new album, Hard Candy, coming out next month, we must wearily prepare ourselves once more for the traditional forced erotica of a Madonna publicity blitzkrieg. Honestly, there are millions of people out there who are more familiar with her gyrating crotch than they are with their own, through no untoward efforts on their own part.
And already Madonna has revealed her new look, which appears to comprise not much more than a fluffy bed jacket and a boxer's belt over the now ubiquitous incontinence rompers.
Well, why not? The only 50-year-olds in big pants making headlines are either sumo wrestlers or those Lib Dems routinely dragged out of fetish dungeons by vice squad officers. Or my friend the lady novelist who popped a menopause magnet in her knickers for a respite from hot flushes, only to find that it wiped every word of her new novel from her laptop. (On the positive side, however, she is now pregnant with octuplets.)
Meanwhile, Madonna continues to fight the anti-ageing battle with the zeal of a warrior looking into the whites of the enemy's eyes. Will she ever be able to relax and let the ravages of time tell their own sweet story? Somehow I doubt it.
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Oh gross! A 49 year old manly looking chick with a deformed back grinding up against a 28 year old guy. 
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May 2 2008, 10:29 AM
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Headline reads: "Madge you're old enough to be his mum"
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These two articles are indicative of what's to come.
You'll notice that the media have already been crediting Grandma-donna for making 50 "sexy" and the like. 
There are more comments by me below this-
Madonna: An unlikely inspiration for 50-plus set
Excerpt:- By JOCELYN NOVECK
NEW YORK (AP) — ....ut as the Material Girl hits the half-century mark this weekend, she may be stepping into a role that even she, with all her marketing savvy, might not have dreamed up: poster child for the 50-and-fabulous set.
....Many women of a certain age look at Madonna and see a wonderfully fit, stylish, vigorous woman who's made a fortune based on smarts, talent and ambition — no "Blond Ambition" puns, please — and just keeps on going. Her latest world tour, "Sticky & Sweet," kicks off in Wales a week after her Aug. 16 birthday.
Talk about your New 50.
....More power to her, says Lesley Jane Seymour, editor of More, a magazine for women over 40.
"So she's had some work — I'll take it," says Seymour. "I want to know who her doctor is! It's really hard to believe she's 50. She looks 40. And she just keeps going at it, living life and loving life."
To Seymour, Madonna's not only an example to women on how to grow older — she's a reflection of how, as a society, our perceptions of age have changed. Especially 50, which used to be seen as the beginning of a depressing decline, not a new chapter.
It starts with looking different. "Put a picture of a 50-year-old woman today next to one from my mother's generation," says Seymour, who recently passed the mark herself. "We look at least 10 to 15 years younger than they did." She attributes it to exercise, better skin care, sun protection, less smoking, and generally a different standard of health and well-being.
Better with age? Madonna reinvents 50 - ABC News
She's not just having another birthday like the rest of us, oh no. She's "reinventing" age 50.
Why do writers do this? They always credit her for stuff that they shouldn't. And they do it just because it's Madonna - and for no other reason.
Plenty of other women have turned 50 also; it's not as though Debbie Harry, Tina Turner, Bettle Midler and Cher just all rolled over and died when they hit age 50.
So if Madonna goes to the grocery store tomorrow and buys a tube of toothpaste, these sort of writers will make a big ado about it: "Madonna makes toothpaste sexy and trendy! She buys toothpaste like no other consumer has before!" Spare me, please.
Below, someone says that Madonna is "unpredictable." I must disagree.
How can the press dub Madonna "Reinvention Queen" in some headlines but then turn around in one article to say she's "unpredictable?" Since we all know Madonna's shtick includes changing her "look" with every new album / video / tour, isn't that predictable?
You can also pretty much count on Man-donna to do or say something trashy, whether sexual, political, or religious in nature.
From the ABC News article linked to above: - One thing you can say about Madonna: She's unpredictable.
On the verge of her 50th birthday, the "Queen of Pop" has had more incarnations than the Dali Lama. And she shows no signs of settling into middle age either.
With "4 Minutes to Save the World," her first single from her new album, "Hard Candy," she earned her 37th hit to crack the Top 10, surpassing Elvis Presley, the previous record holder. And she's about to embark on what looks to be a sell-out tour.
If Madonna looks like she's sitting pretty, it's because she never sits still for very long.
"Very few people have the staying power that she has," said Bradley Jacobs, a senior editor at Us Weekly, where Madonna has recently graced the cover recently for her friendship with Yankees slugger Alex Rodriguez. "Look what's happened to Tom Cruise. He was on top and fell off. Nicole Kidman's not getting lot of work. Madonna refuses to go quietly."
"She comes up with new stuff. Every album she works with new people," Jacobs said. "She's aggressive with pursuing young people. That's how you stay current. You don't wear the same clothes. You keep people guessing and mystified. What new idea has Cher come up with? Michael Jackson started out at the same time, and they're like apples and oranges. Overall, Madonna has always succeeded by staying ahead of curve."
There's a reason why the media refer to Madonna as the Queen of Reinvention -- a title she dislikes but still co-opted for her 2004 tour.
"She would say a girl likes to change her hair color or hairstyle," said Keith Caulfield, an analyst at Billboard magazine. "She's just playing dress up and trying new things."
But each new look -- the sexpot, the spiritualist, the lady of the manor -- seems to precede a new album. Calculated? Or the result of her voracious interests?
"There are some artists who might be more perceptively stable in what their image or sound is," Caulfield said. "Springsteen has an identifiable sound and look. He's not going to come out suddenly with a mohawk. He's a different kind of artist."
Madonna Still Sexy at 50
"Madonna is a pop artist who has always been into different kinds of sounds," he said. "She's a voracious collector of art; she's a fan of music and film, not just mainstream fare. What's she's doing is not super cutting edge. She's usually hearing something she likes and taking ideas and putting them out there."
Looking back at some of Madonna's more memorable moments, it's clear she has had an influence on pop music, fashion and the zeitgeist.
She's No Virgin
When Madonna came out with her first album in 1983, with inflections of black music, she seemed to fit neither in the rock nor R&B categories. But it didn't take long before she was burning up the charts and making headlines, like the time she famously rolled around on the stage in a wedding dress singing "Like a Virgin" for the MTV Video Music Awards.
And little girls copied her rag-tag, bangled style after she appeared in the 1985 film "Desperately Seeking Susan."
"That's when I got hooked on Madonna," said Clare Parmenter, a 35-year-old British biomedical scientist who founded the fan site Madonnalicious.com in 2001. "I was just becoming a teenage girl. The sparkly boots, the hair tied up like that, I hadn't seen that. It was a look for a teenager to aspire to. It looked like you could go to a charity shop and get that look."
'Blond Ambition'
Soon the virgin gave way to the sexual provocateur. Jacobs says this period from the late '80s to the early '90s was his favorite. "She came into her own," he said. "She wasn't just a sex symbol, she was sexually provocative."
A defining image of that time was Madonna dressed in an exaggerated conelike bra designed by Jean-Paul Gaultier for her "Blond Ambition" tour. "That was her most iconic look," Parmenter said. "No one else was wearing massive conical bras. It was completely different."
Madonna also allowed a camera to follow her on tour and turned it into the hugely successful documentary "Truth or Dare." "It felt like she was showing you her private life," Parmenter said.
Sexpot
But the real reveal was yet to come, with her 1992 book "Sex," which accompanied her fifth studio album, "Erotica." The soft-core pornographic photos, which included simulations of homosexuality and sadomasochism and later turned up in Madonna's video for the album's title song, drew heaps of controversy. In a now-famous interview with "Nightline," Madonna defended her actions.
It didn't matter. All 1.5 million copies of the book's first edition sold out worldwide in the first week, making "Sex" one of the most successful coffee-table books ever released.
"It's a very collectible piece," said Parmenter.
Don't Cry for Me
In 1996, Madonna switched gears again, this time taking the lead role as Eva Peron, the popular wife of Argentinean dictator Juan Peron, in the musical film "Evita." Though she appeared in several films, it was her first major role and her most acclaimed -- she won a Golden Globe for her performance.
"'Evita' was definitely much more of a serious phase," Parmenter said. "She got proper vocal training for that, moved to London to record the soundtrack. I think it was her best performance. It's like one big continuous pop video."
Jacobs believes Madonna is frustrated that her film career hasn't been bigger. "I think she'll continue to push on that front," he said.
Madonna Becomes a Mom and Sees the Light
After "Evita," Madonna dropped out of sight for a while and gave birth to daughter Lourdes with trainer Carlos Leon. Her drive to become a mother is famous. She reportedly even considered Dennis Rodman as a baby-daddy at one point.
"One time I was in Las Vegas at the craps table doing my thing when I got this frantic call," Rodman wrote in his autobiography. "It was like the 'Somebody died call' from New York. I picked up the phone and Madonna was like, 'I'm ovulating, I'm ovulating. Get your ass up here.'"
When she re-emerged on the music scene, it was clear she was dabbling in a newfound spirituality. She produced the well-received "Ray of Light" album, performing in Hindu garb with henna tattoos or long gothlike black robes and black hair.
"It was a total shock," Parmenter said. "I never expected that from her. I turned on [the television] and there was Madonna. She'd turned into a kind of witch with the black hair and gothic clothing."
Lady of the Manor
After marrying British filmmaker Guy Ritchie in 2000, she turned into Lady Madonna, moving to the English countryside, writing children's books about tea roses and even bird hunting.
"She had the English country tweeds," Parmenter said. "She even started doing the bird shooting and was photographed with a shotgun slung over her shoulder. Maybe she's just enthusiastic about the English countryside."
Lately, celebrity magazines have suggested she's less enthusiastic about Ritchie, although she has said they are very much together.
Kabbalah Devotee
Madonna has made no secret of her devotion to the Jewish mystic faith. This spiritual warrior has no problem being photographed in a track suit sans makeup on her way to a meeting.
"I don't think she's necessarily concerned about making a statement," Billboard's Caulfield said. "She's interested in getting her point of view across and saying something important about the world and how her life relates to the world."
"But that doesn't mean she can't glam it up," he added. Should those track suits turn up on stage for her tour, Caulfield said, "I think they'll be highly stylized, with a lot of bling."
Parmenter is waiting to be surprised at what new image Madonna will put into the zeitgeist. "You can never second-guess her," she said.
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Aug 16 2008, 06:33 AM
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MAN I WAS GONNA EAT!
Yuck...there is simple biology at play here. Men do not want to see old women who can't have babies all sexed up.
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Oct 9 2008, 11:46 AM
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Same link was just posted to the Old Lady thread, but I wanted to discuss it from a different angle.
I'm afraid that the groundwork is already being laid for this 'Sexy Old Lady' trend (now, it's starting with women age 40-50, but eventually, when Madonna reaches 60 and up, they'll be going on about 60-somethings being sexy)-
-and of course, most journalists will forget all about Linda Evangelista, Christy Turlington, Claudia Schiffer, Brooke Shields, Mary-Louise Parker and Debra Messing, and mention only Madonna when discussing sexy older female celebrities (not that Madonna is sexy).
This article gives credit to the "age 40-something is sexy" phenomenon to the TV shows Desperate Housewives and Sex in the City, but again, I expect as time goes on, most journalists will forget all about that and credit Madonna alone (or foremost) for this.
Madonna, Berry Lead the Charge of 40+ Stars - Stars and Supermodels Show There's Still Life -- and Career -- After 40
By LUCHINA FISHER and SHEILA MARIKAR Oct. 9, 2008
...."A fashion house decided to listen to the customer rather than follow the trends," said Didier Fernandez, ad agent at New York-based DNA Models, which represents Evangelista. "You don't see a 20-year-old buying a $5,000 product. That might be why Prada and Chanel decided to go for a woman instead of kids."
....Lee attributes the onscreen 40-something shift to the success of ABC's "Desperate Housewives" and the movie "Sex and the City."
Four of the women in "Housewives" are over 40. "They are not playing the mom to the sexy kids or the over-the-hill mom," Lee said. "They are actually playing the lead characters. They showed a lot of people that women over 40 don't all have to be Florence Henderson."
However, "The Women," which was released in September, failed to deliver, grossing only $26 million, according to Box Office Mojo.
Success of 'Sex and the City'
"Sex and the City" was a turning point. "It was a moment when people woke up and said, 'Oh, women go to the movies too,'" Lee said. "All the actresses are 40 or older. For the studios to realize that women want to see an exaggerated version of their own lives is huge."
But before someone declares it the year of the older woman, Pozner cautions that the driving force behind all these shows and movies and advertisements with women in their 40s is an advertising industry that is looking to make more money by selling products.
Nowhere is this clearer than in Messing's show "The Starter Wife," which has written Ponds products into the show, Pozner said. She points to one scene that has Messing examining her wrinkles in the mirror and debates whether a Ponds wrinkle cream would actually help her.
"I caution against seeing this as more than a trend or fad," said Pozner. "We are more age and more image obsessed than ever before."
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Dec 23 2008, 04:29 PM
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Just remember that when Madonna is dancing around on stage in her underwear at age 60 and the idiot social commentators start crediting her with removing limitations and boundaries on aged sexuality, she wasn't the first:
74 Year-Old Japanese Porn Star Still Going- I think all men have a glimmer of hope that when we are in our 70’s and starting to need a little assistance around the house, that we might get a nice hot nurse to come and take care of us.
Some fantasy’s might even include a little happy time when being helped into bed or getting your sponge bath, but these are just fantasy’s and cant possibly come true… right?
Well for 74 year-old Shigeo Tokuda, this is a reality that happens more often than you would think.
Thats because Shigeo is actually a 74 year-old porn star who sometimes performs in roles where he is an elderly man in a home, when a hot nurse who is there to help him out gives him a little more help than normal.
“Lately I’m also starring as the main actor in a porn series set in a senior-care home. The girl that I’m costarring with might play my son’s wife, a daughter of a relative that I happen to be looking after, or a helper at one of the care homes.”
It all started over 20 years ago, when Shigeo wanted to buy a porn video and was embarassed to purchase it at an adult store. He went to the production company itself and over time became friends with the director.
Shigeo has since performed in over 250 adult films during his over 14 years in the porn film industry.
Although you would think it is the sex that keeps Shigeo coming back for film after film, it is actually the role playing and acting that turns him on the most.
“I mentioned before that I like films that are set up like TV dramas. This is partly because I’ve always had the desire to turn into all sorts of different people. So personally, I don’t get off just having sex with somebody. I continue working in this industry not because I like starring in adult films, but because I am given the opportunity to act in various roles. The appeal for me is in the fact that I can play different people, not that I can boast about my acting skills. Consequently, most of the films that I’m in have a proper plot and narrative.”
Shigeo has plans to continue moaking more adult films until he feels his health and age become an issue.
“Right now I don’t have any illnesses, so I guess I’ll keep watching my health and at least try to go on until I’m 80 [laughs].”
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As I was saying elsewhere about the editorial Put it away, granny Madonna - you're too old to be flashing your crotch - from The Mirror:
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As much as I love the following headline and editorial (which comes from the UK paper The Mirror), the author, a Polly Hudson, is unfortunately setting up the scenario I've spelled out in threads at the Anti Madonna Discussion Board, such as in the Senior Citizen Sexiness thread. For those feminists who have elected Madonna the representative of female empowerment, they will counter such editorials by being all the more stubborn, digging in their heels, and insisting that we should applaud Madonna for continuing to be a whore well into her senior years. Then they'll begin arguing that all women age 50+ should be, act, and dress slutty - and that they should look to Madonna as a role model. I can see this template coming into place even now. Indeed, I have already come across such an apologetic ("Madonna Rocks Out With Her Crotch Out, Gets Booed") at a blog called "The Frisky" by someone calling himself or herself "Simca" who makes a feeble attempt to defend Madonna's crotch shot by proclaiming her a "MILF" (which stands for "Mother I would like to F*ck"). Sorry, Simca, but Madonna not only deserves to be booed for the crotch shot photo, but she should be booed for so, so much more. I assume that the author of this editorial is a woman, since the author's first name is "Polly," and that's typically a female name. I mention this only because 99% of Madonna supporters frequently insist that the only people who "dog" Madonna and run her down are old, fat, 50 or 60 year old white men. Put it away, granny Madonna - you're too old to be flashing your crotch - from The Mirror, by Polly Hudson Then there's this - which is, unfortunately, somewhat in Madonna's favor, though it does end on a decent note (in that it asks her to start covering up her body as she gets even older):
How Much Longer Can Madonna Sex It Up?- Posted by Michael Musto at 9:00 AM, June 24, 2008
A friend of mine is concerned that Madonna might be turning into the new Mae West. Bawdy sexpot Mae refused to give up her vampy allure even when it deserted her along with most of her film career.
In the '70s, when she was 85 years old and more spackled and corseted than a corpse, minxy Mae appeared in Sextette, a weird little comedy film in which she tried in vain to emit the sex appeal of a young filly.
Madonna, of course, is only 50, but she's also showing signs of refusing to abandon the hormonal appeal she's famous for, maybe out of terror that she doesn't have enough other stuff to back it up.
She still wears revealing clothes and prances around like the misty-eyed girl who so memorably made the world her gynecologist.
And she's amazing! With a body that's tighter than Joan Van Ark's face!
Why shouldn't she so vigorously promote the cause that people of all ages can be sexy? (This, of course, is coming from an older person who posed nude this year and also wrote "The Daddy Diaries.")
I say more power to her as her middle-aged legs encircle the stripper pole.
But rather than sit back and watch the woman eventually become West (with body parts going south), I think we should pass a law that in 30 years she must start covering sh*t up. Deal?
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EDIT BELOW
This material has been cross posted to other threads. To answer this headline's question: Yes.
Part of the reason she keeps posing in skimpy outfits and trashy poses is that she thinks she's still hot (if she ever was).
I like how authors now talk about Madonna as though she is a museum relic: "Still, Madonna's body remains in remarkable shape for 50..."
This page has all the photos from the Hard Candy out takes, as well as new photos from "W" magazine:
As Madonna poses for yet ANOTHER raunchy album picture, will she still be doing this at 70?- By Matthew Drake
Last updated at 5:12 PM on 19th January 2009
She has no intention of growing old gracefully - or in comfort, it seems.
Madonna strapped, wrapped and laced herself into a very improbable outfit to promote her 11th studio album, Hard Candy.
The all-white ensemble, with bandages at chest and wrist, was probably meant to appear sexy or tough.
But the singer ended up looking as though she'd sustained several injuries and was in serious danger of collecting a few more.
Judging by the sour look on her face, she was regretting the whole idea.
Still, Madonna's body remains in remarkable shape for 50, thanks to her punishing workouts and diet.
The Kabbalah enthusiast obviously has no intention of taking a rest after her recent divorce from Guy Ritchie.
A Madonna fan attempted to defend Madonna's penchant for acting like a whore well into her 50s (Daily Mail reader comment section) by saying, - Madonna has always challenged our notions of femininity. She is an artist.
By refusing to conform to what we 'expect' of a woman of her age she is continuing this theme that has been present throughout her life.
It is empowering for women to be represented in a non-stereotypical way. Personally? I think she looks stunning.
- Bexi, Hampshire, UK, 18/1/2009 23:24
Count on more and more Madonna fans, feminists, and journalists to repeat those sentiments as the years go by and Madonna keeps posing half-naked.
It's a page out of the "How to argue, justify, and rationalize that smut is really feminism" hand book...
It's the kind of nonsense we used to see in the 1980s and 1990s when Madonna would rub her crotch on stage and immediately her defenders would spring into action telling us that such raunchy behavior was really a form of "female empowerment."
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