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Not in Control
Topic Started: Nov 3 2006, 12:49 AM (2,886 Views)
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This was on Drowned Madonna - (Kirsty Wark interviewer, BBC2’s Newsnight);
pubished by fan site on Nov. 2, 2006.

It's a summary of what Man-donna said on a BBC interview.
  • Asked by Wark if she [Madonna] was used to being in control of a situation, she replied:

    “I would like to make a correction. I’m not used to being in control, I think that’s a preconceived notion that people have, that I’m in control of everything.
For some reason I do not fathom, the fan site underlined the phrase "I think that’s a preconceived notion that people have, that I’m in control of everything."

Well great, glad to hear it!

Now all the slobbering fans, feminist college professors and idiot journalists can stop insisting how "in control" Madonna is of her life and career. She just said she's not.

Point people to this post if they dredge up the crap about "Madonna is in total control of her life / marriage / career / kids..."

I've been saying all along she's not in control of it all.
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From an article in The Madonna Companion
  • When nude photographs of Madonna (taken when she was modeling for artists to support herself in New York) were published by Playboy and Penthouse in September 1985, it was her lack of control over the situation that Madonna found most disturbing:
    "The thing that annoyed me most wasn't so much that they were nude photographs but that I felt really out of control - for the first time in what I thought to be several years of careful planning and knowing what was going to happen" (Schruers 1986, p 60).
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There you go again medussadonna you're not even having control of anything at all!

Back in those days i had neighbours, i cannot remember what year or who they were but we both decided to split the money to buy the playboy and and the penthhouse mags beause she was so dreaded and humiliating to others and society.

I think i was in 5th grade and the other was in 3rd. We saved up some dollars and went hunting, gas station to gas station, trying to find a copy on the 2nd day it was released, but to our unfortunate circumstances, the lady at the counter told us they were sold out in 24 hours.
You can obviously understand why we wanted it, if we had internet back then we could have presented those pix long ago and had a antimadonna site back then too!

Even children have some ethics and morale what happened to this bit ch!

Have you seen real bit ches and how male dogs come out during mating, they encircle the b***h in groups of 10-15 ready to mate, similar in the
human-mandonna kind of way.
Then have you seen a b***h, when the uterus comes out with the pups together during birth, the uterus hangs out of the b***h all bloody and it gets infected finally the bit ch dies.

it even happens to humans the uterus comes out of the body, real bad stuff.
Madonna bi tch!
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ELLE magazine happy to perpetuate the myth that Madonna is the only female in "control" of her career/life:

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"May 2008 issue of the UK version of Elle magazine."
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This reviewer tries to convince us that Madonna is firmly in control of the Hard Candy album, but makes all sorts of concessions, which I've pasted in below.

Hard Candy Review - News Day
  • Glenn Gamboa | DROPS
    April 29, 2008

    Fear not, Madonna fans. The Material Girl still controls her material on her new album, "Hard Candy" (Warner Bros.)

    On her previous 10 studio albums, control was never questioned because Madonna had it. She co-wrote and co-produced everything she did. She always called the shots.

    But throughout "Hard Candy" - filled with the work of superstar producer Timbaland and his collaborator, Justin Timberlake, as well as hit-making production team The Neptunes - the issue is front and center.

    It's no longer a question of whether she can play nice with others, but how much she's willing to compromise to guarantee another hit.

    The first single, "4 Minutes," finds Madonna overwhelmed by Timbaland's production and Timberlake's vocals. It's a good song, but it's not really hers. She could be one of any number of singers in Timbaland's stable, from Nelly Furtado on down.

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She's not the first female entertainer to be successful, control her own image, etc.


Honestly, Flea, I don't even think that she's in control of her own image. Especially in the 80's/ early 90's.
After seeing "Truth Or Dare", I understood better how the "Marketing Madonna Machine" worked.
She's so eager to success and to get noticed that I'm sure she'll do, and has done, anything to attain that goal including listening to what the people in the shadow told her to do.
And then she takes all the glory for things she didn't even come up with.

The only time where she may have been in control of her image was when she released "Erotica" and "American Life". We all know how successful those 2 albums were...:rolleyes:

David Bowie, Cher (who took a break from singing to become a better actress which earned her an Oscar), Tina Turner or Cyndi Lauper seems to be in control of their carreer/image because there is a cohérence in their work.

What do you think ?
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Is Madonna Losing Control?
  • April 14th, 2009
    Story by Lawrence Gould

    Madonna was dealt yet another blow to her already vulnerable ego when told by Malawian officials that she could not adopt another child, Mercy James.

    She has since filed an appeal and it is rumored she is seeking residency in the poverty laden country. For over 25 years, Madonna has been in control of not only her surroundings but of everyone around her as well.

    This control, a necessity for her survival since she was a child, has been put to the test more than ever in the last year.

    We saw her turn 50, an age she was not looking forward to, we saw the release of her brother Christopher's tell-all book, "Life with my Sister Madonna," which describes his lifetime experience with his sister on both personal and professional levels released even though she used all her power to prevent it.

    As if that weren't enough to give everyone's favorite control freak a breakdown, we then began hearing infidelity rumors with Alex Rodriguez begin. Then we heard the inevitable: the public announcement of her divorce from Guy Ritchie.

    Why had the inner circle Madonna worked so hard to create and control, fallen? Had she finally driven those closest to her over the edge? Although his motives for releasing the book are unclear, it is widely believed that her brother was overworked, underpaid, forced to live in her shadow and even endure some abusive episodes.

    Perhaps Guy was done with her difficult demands and overbearing control of every aspect of his life.

    Soon the affair with A-Rod fizzled out, had he gotten out before he too became one of her minions? That may be the case, as she returned to old habits, being seen with a 22 year old, impressionable (and easily controlled) Brazilian model, Jesus Luz.

    Having dated only three months, it is rumored she asked the young man to move in with her.

    Regardless of the reasons, Madonna has been left to deal with several circumstances over which she has absolutely no control. As to be expected she will no doubt fight to adopt this child with vengeance.

    At her most vulnerable, Madonna will most likely do what she does best; continue her extremely regimented lifestyle in preparedness to once again take to the stage.

    On July 4th, the European leg of her "Sticky and Sweet" tour commences to a sold-out London crowd. It is here that she thrives, for onstage, she is in control of everything, not to mention the adoration of thousands.

    While her personal life has us all wondering "Who's that Girl," her professional life will prove she's exactly the same woman who continues to conquer the music industry by storm, just, human.
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From Anshirk's link:

Madonna to Meet Toyboy Jesus’ Parents
  • “Madonna really does love and need Jesus — and she does not hold all the power in their relationship..." a source told British tabloid The Sun.

    “He wants to marry and be taken seriously. She doesn’t want to lose Jesus and so the visit to his parents is her way of saying she will make this relationship permanent....
Wait a dang minute. All the drooling Madonna admirers go on and on about how "in control" she is of every aspect of her life, what a feminist she is never caving in to a man, but here she is, not in control and bowing to the wishes of her 23 year old BF.

Oh - and she's "scared"-
Madonna is scared
  • Madonna may be getting serious with her boytoy Jesus Luz, 23. Rumor is he wants to marry to be taken seriously. That or he wants a big paycheck. Either works for him probably. The surprising part is Madonna is open to it. But before this marriage talk progresses any further, she has to meet Jesus’ parents which is reportedly becoming quite nerve wracking.

    It should be if you think about it. Madonna and Jesus’ parents have nothing in common. She’ll reminisce about World War II while Jesus’ parents reminisce about the 80’s. Eventually the conversation will end up at how Jesus was still in diapers when Madonna first got her AARP card which I find tends to kill a conversation fairly quickly.
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This will be cross posted to other threads on the board.
Madonna outplayed by Edgar Bronfman Jr. in Maverick
  • Frank Digiacomo
    Monday, June 14th 2010, 4:00 AM

    The theme of Madonna's life story is that she gets her way - in love, life and business. But that was until she came up against Seagram's liquor fortune heir Edgar Bronfman Jr.

    In "Fortune's Fool: Edgar Bronfman Jr., Warner Music, and An Industry of Crisis," which Simon & Schuster will begin shipping to bookstores at the end of this month, investigative journalist Fred Goodman writes that Bronfman outplayed Her Madgesty after the pop star attempted to pressure him into paying a king's ransom for her stake in Maverick Records.

    Madonna had founded Maverick at the height of her success in the '90s-to which she signed such hit artists as Alanis Morissette and Prodigy-but the label had seen better days by 2003, when the Material Girl began negotiating with Time Warner, which owned 40% of Maverick, to buy out her share.

    Madonna wanted $60 million, "at least twice what Time Warner said it was worth," Goodman writes. But that same week, Time Warner's board was meeting to decide whether to sell Warner Music, so, the author adds: "Placating Madonna was going to be someone else's headache."

    Enter Bronfman, who, in March 2004, just three weeks after he closed the deal to buy Warner Music, got a call from Madonna's longtime attorney Allen Grubman, who told Warner Music's new owner he had 24 hours to solve the problem or Madonna was going to sue. "Allen, this is nuts," Bronfman said. "Give us some time."

    "No, she's implacable," Grubman responded. Madonna's price tag had risen, too - from $60 million to $200 million. Bronfman was willing to pay only $15 million, however, and had the company's lawyers file a preemptive suit against the artist.

    An angry Madonna accused Warner of "treason" and filed her own lawsuit. But, in the end, the author reports, she "sold her 30% interest in Maverick to Bronfman for $17 million - only $2 million more than he had offered in the first place and a figure that almost certainly could have been reached without any public posturing."

    Three months later, Bronfman and Warner Music Group Chairman Lyor Cohen sought to mend fences with the artist by inviting her to meet with them. Bronfman greeted Madonna with a gift-wrapped box. "You've been incredibly important to this company for 20 years," Bronfman told her. Inside the box was a diamond bracelet.

    "The gift," Goodman writes, "seemed to hit the right note. ‘She was like a little girl,'" Bronfman recalled. "'It broke the ice.'"


    Perhaps, but in 2007, Madonna announced she was leaving Warner to sign with concert promoter Live Nation in a 10-year, $120-million deal.

    Madonna's spokeswoman Liz Rosenberg declined to comment on this story, telling Gatecrasher, "I was not privy to the details of any of these negotiations."
New book tells how Madonna was beaten by Warners
  • Posted on June 14th, 2010 by Austin

    [HMG] – Like most performers, Madonna has a career that is founded on ego. But that unbroken love affair hit a wall when the singer met Edgar Bronfman.

    A new book “Fortune’s Fool: Edgar Bronfman Jr., Warner Music, and an Industry of Crisis,” tells one story Madonna won’t leak to the press – How in 2004 she demanded $200-million from Warner Music for her stake in Maverick Records – and settled for $17-million.

    Madonna formed Maverick in 1992 when she still had a career, then signed people like Alanis Morissette and Prodigy. But by 2003 the label was well past its prime. Madonna demanded $60-million from Warners for her 30% stake, but Warner’s just laughed – That was at least four times its true value.

    In March 2004, Edgar Bronfman closed a deal to buy Warner Music, and Madonna’s demands became his first headache. Just three weeks later Madonna’s attorney, Allen Grubman told Edgar he had 24-hours to pay or Madonna would sue. And her price was now $200-million.

    “This is nuts!” Bronfman replied. “Give us some time.”

    But Madonna was determined to win – and bleed them dry – so Edgar got Warners’ lawyers to sue her first. That upset the former singer, who promptly filed her own lawsuit, still demanding $200-million and accusing Warners of ‘treason.’

    On June 14th of 2004 she sold them her Maverick shares for just $17-million.

    Three months later Edgar and Warner’s Chairman, Lyor Cohen gave Madonna a peace offering – The three met and she was presented with a small diamond bracelet.

    “She was like a little girl,” Bronfman recalls in the book. “‘It broke the ice.’”

    The singer promptly repaid this indulgence by signing a ten-year contract with Live Nation, at $12-million a year.

    You can read the full story, and many like it when the book reaches stores at the end of this month…

    Source
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Madonna's secret to relationship success: 'As I get older I'm learning how to keep a man... compromise!'
  • 'You can’t always get what you want, but compromise pays off in the end, right? Give up a little bit here to see if you can get something there. It’s about trade-offs and give and take.’

    This, from a woman who has been at the top of her game for 30 years — having sold 275 million records — and has a reputation for taking no prisoners.

    But isn’t she used to getting her own way? All the time?

    She shifts and moves close to me. ‘Madonna has to beg sometimes,’ she says. ‘Madonna doesn’t get everything she wants.’

    Yeah, right, I think.

    To prove her point, she tells me what happened when she was shooting a scene for her big new feature film W.E., about Wallis Simpson, the twice-married American socialite for whom King Edward VIII gave up the throne.

    Madonna’s movie has two leading ladies, Andrea Riseborough, portraying Mrs Simpson, who was to become the Duchess of Windsor, and Abbie Cornish who plays Wally Winthrop, a modern-day, unhappily married New Yorker whose storyline runs as a counterpoint reaction to what happens in the Duchess’s life.

    Madonna explains how she was shooting in New York’s Central Park and was just about to shout ‘Action’ when a band started up.

    The film had paid to use the park, so Madonna asked if the band’s soundcheck could be delayed. ‘I really had to beg,’ she tells me.

    Madonna had to beg! I exclaimed incredulously.

    There is an emphatic wave of the black fan. ‘Yes, absolutely.’

    W.E. received a ten-minute standing ovation following its world premiere in Venice, but by then the film had sharply divided film writers.
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That's a joke correct? Madonna pays for all her relationships in cash.

"W.E. received a ten-minute standing ovation following its world premiere in Venice, but by then the film had sharply divided film writers."


If that was an actual occurrence, it was bought and paid for as well. I guess if payola and paying people is how you live your life then it shows a kind of faux control. ^o)
Edited by SuperAmanda, Sep 9 2011, 07:55 AM.
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Here she admits to not being in control:

Madonna: The Director's Cut
  • "I believe sometimes we aren't always in charge of everything that we do creatively. We submit to things as we're going on our own journey," Madonna says. "Wally was learning about herself, and so was I — on my own journey and the journey of all women. I don't work any other way."
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Madonna beats Elton John to win pettishness award
  • ...Alas, having beheld Madonna's recent TV interviews, Lost in Showbiz cannot help but feel that, for madam, the prognosis is less positive. To watch an interview with Madonna these days is to watch someone bristling at the slightest of perceived indignities visited on her personage, yet still failing to appear too clever for it all.

    For all her fabled self-control, she seems to find it impossible to hide the fact that she is put out by even the mildest teasing, and as a result increasingly resembles a purse-lipped Lady Muck without the instinctive panache to rise above it.

    Her once-radioactive self-confidence has been replaced by pettishness. This inability to take a joke, or rather to appear to be able to take one, has reduced her as both a person and a concept. And for an entertainer who once straddled all manner of things like a colossus, this continues to be a genuinely sorry loss.
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She's on the journey of all women. Not! My journey has never necessitated a stop at CVS for penicillin.
Her journey into old-ville is making her mighty sour indeed.
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She is REALLY not in control if she missed out on an Oscar bought and paid for because of bumbling "management.
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This was how this story appeared in Yahoo News:

Madonna blends old with new in SB halftime show
Madonna positioned herself as the queen of a new generation of pop stars at the Super Bowl halftime show - complete with throne - but didn't have complete control of her show.
Sports Illustrated - 1 hour, 48 minutes ago
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"Madonna positioned herself as the queen of a new generation of pop stars at the Super Bowl halftime show - complete with throne - but didn't have complete control of her show."

It is OVER thankfully!



Please DO check out my latest post on The Lady Gaga thread!
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It seems to me she is indirectly admitting she has no musical talent of her own (she has to rely on other people to write/produce her music for her)

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She's contradicting herself/ hypocritical because she is a control freak (as her brother and others have mentioned over the years) and that is the image she cultivated for herself in the public -that she is a tough /in charge gal who controls all aspects of her life

Madonna: 'I'm not a control freak'
  • Madonna has insisted that she isn't a "control freak" in the studio.

    The Queen of Pop, who is set to release her new studio album 'MDNA' on March 26, told Sirius Radio that she had garnered an undeserved reputation as an artist who liked to be in total control, but the truth was that she couldn't work on her own.

    Madonna, who has recruited the likes of MIA, Nicki Minaj, Mika and LMFAO for 'MDNA', said: "You know, I hate to use the word 'control' so much, because people use and bandy that word about with me, when it comes to my creative life. Everyone says 'Oh you're a control freak and you like to be in control.' The thing is, everything I do, even my songwriting, I'm collaborating at all times. I value input from people, and I want it."

    She went on to add:

    I can't work on my own. I am not Prince or like a lot of artists, who can go in and play every instrument, and record a track, and not hear from people. I need to hear what people think all the time.
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This is like the time she caved in to pressure in 2003 and pulled her "American Life" video and made a new one.

Madonna Avoids Another 'MDNA Tour' Controversy by Agreeing To Show Clip Honoring Polish War Veterans
  • And just when we thought she’d run out of international populations to offend, the superstar singer is now on the receiving end of criticism from Polish citizens regarding the scheduling of her Warsaw tour stop.

    The concert, scheduled for August 1, falls on the 68th anniversary of the Warsaw Uprising, the start of a 63-day rebellion that resulted in more than 200,000 deaths and left the city devastated. The commemoration is a somber one, marked by the wailing of a siren, a moment of silence and special prayers—pretty much the antithesis of the mood at a Madonna concert. Veterans and young Catholics have raised concerns about the performance distracting from the gravity of the day’s history.

    Concert organizers have agreed to air a clip about the Uprising at the beginning of the Queen of Pop's show to honor veterans. As a Live Nation spokesman explained, "It is an important moment in Polish history, so we have decided to remind people of that moment."

    This isn’t the first time Madonna’s incurred the ire of Polish citizens. Her use of Christian imagery often offends the largely Roman Catholic population, and her "Sticky & Sweet Tour" ignited protests back in 2009 when her concert coincided with the August 15 holiday celebrating the heavenly assumption of the Virgin Mary. Perhaps a bit more research is in order before she schedules her next visit to Warsaw.

    Hopefully the clip, an idea proposed by city officials, will diffuse any tension between Madonna and the Poles before she moves on to her inevitable next controversy.
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She keeps saying she's a "rebel" and her fans have this mythos that she's a take charge, in charge woman, the media always say they admire her due to her "being in control." Yet in the face of a lawsuit, she drops the swastika imagery.

This first link tries to downplay the gesture by saying it "wasn't much of a concession." The point is that a bunch of people threatened to sue her and kept raising a fuss, and she caved in.

Madonna Loses Swastika for France Concert After Legal Threat
  • Is Madonna calming a commotion?

    With her European tour landing back in France, the "Girl Gone Wild" singer has appeared to cave to critics in the country who've blasted her for juxtaposing a swastika over video of ultra-right National Front party leader Marine Le Pen during her current MDNA tour.

    After the party threatened to sue Madonna for the negative connotations associated with linking Le Pen to the Nazi symbol, according to the U.K.'s Guardian newspaper, the Queen of Pop altered the shocking image during Tuesday's performance in Nice of "Nobody Knows Me," dropping the swastika and instead projecting a question mark on Le Pen's forehead.

    Gael Nofri, a National Front spokesman, was pleased with the modification.

    "As as I know, Madonna has never changed a video clip," he told Agence France-Presse. "This is proof that our arguments were valid. This is excellent news."

    The montage that accompanies the song shows the faces of various political leaders along with religious insignia, dollar signs and other symbols. In the original edit, the image of Le Pen overlaid with a swastika was followed by a picture of Adolf Hitler. That enraged party members despite the fact Le Pen's father, former National Front leader Jean-Marie Le Pen, has been convicted of inciting racial hatred, including minimizing the Holocaust, on numerous occasions.

    French newspapers subsequently described Madonna's decision "appeasement" and "giving in."

    If it was, it wasn't much of a concession considering the 54-year-old entertainer has been sticking to her message advocating tolerance from the stage and expressed solidarity with p***y Riot, the all-female punk band sentenced to two years in prison for hooliganism after protesting Russian president Vladimir Putin in a Russian orthodox church.

    Madonna's publicist, Liz Rosenberg, did not return an email seeking comment.
Madonna Alters Concert Video That Had Angered French Political Party
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    MadonnaJonathan Short/Associated Press Madonna in concert in London.

    Madonna appears to have conceded in a war of words (and pictures) with France’s National Front political party, and has toned down an image shown in her concerts that once depicted Marine Le Pen, the president of that far-right party, with a swastika on her head.

    During her current European tour, Madonna has performed her song “Nobody Knows Me” accompanied by a video that rapidly shows the faces of various current and historical political and religious figures, including Sarah Palin, Pope Benedict XVI and President Hu Jintao of China, as well as monetary symbols, like the dollar and euro signs, and religious ones, including the Jewish star of David.

    At one point the montage displayed Ms. Le Pen with a swastika projected on her face, followed by an image of Hitler with a swastika in the same position. The National Front party said last month that it was planning to sue Madonna for what it called a “very serious insult”; the singer defended the imagery, saying it was appropriate for a song about “the intolerance that we human beings have for one another.”

    The Guardian reported that at a concert performed on Tuesday in Nice, Madonna played an amended version of the video, showing a question mark on Ms. Le Pen’s face rather than a swastika.

    Gaël Nofri, the leader of a conservative group in Nice that supports the National Front party, told Agence France-Presse: “It’s proof that our arguments won out. It’s excellent news.” The Guardian cited French newspapers that variously described the video’s alteration as “calming the controversy” or an act of appeasement.
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