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Topic Started: Dec 1 2005, 03:21 PM (5,996 Views)
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I do not think there is going to be a new "Queen" or "King" of any music genre anymore. Ever since Madonna's debut, the culture and media have changed. People's attention spans are shorter than ever. Some of these current popstars might be prominent for a few years (perhaps a couple of years) but they won't dominate the media cycle the way Madonna did back in the '80s and '90s. The media and public move on faster than ever.

It makes me think of Britney Spears - she is still hanging around, but not as prominent as she aws in her heyday - that's partly due to her getting older and also due to her personal problems back in 2007. But you can say the same about Christina Aguilera, whose recent album flopped, and she did recently go through a divorce but didn't have the same kind of problems Britney did.

When it comes to Katy Perry and Lady GaGa, they've only been prominent for a few years. I think Lady GaGa's first single was released in 2007 or 2008, and Katy Perry's first mainstream single ("I Kissed A Girl") was released in 2008. It's only been three years for the both of them. I'd give them both another couple of years before they start to fade away like Britney and Christina - still in the music biz with established fan bases, but not grabbing headlines as much.

The media is WAY too quick to label someone "the next Madonna". Madonna herself is teetering on complete irrelevance. She doesn't even get that many haters anymore (not a lot of visitors to this board anymore and I think it's partly because of her growing irrelevance - people don't feel that strongly about her one way or the other anymore, apart from die-hards on both sides of the debate).

In fact, I remember the media going on and on about how Britney and/or Christina were "the next Madonna" and look at them now - Britney's been through a lot of drama that's had quite an impact on her career and there are reports that her tour isn't doing so well (and that her latest album hasn't sold as well as her previous ones) and not only did Christina's latest album flop, she had to cancel the tour she was going to do to support it, her major film debut tanked and she's now reduced to being a host on an American Idol-esque reality show. At least her show is doing okay, but still - Madonna has yet to host a reality show (she's made guest appearances on a couple).

If there's ever going to truly be "another Madonna" we might be waiting a while. I don't think any of these current popstars can be "the next Madonna" and I don't mean that being the next Madonna is a good thing - people like Lady GaGa have too much integrity and talent to do the kinds of things necessary to maintain the Madonna-like levels of fame (or notoriety). People like Katy Perry, on the other hand, don't change their images enough to keep the public interested (Katy Perry's candy schtick is really tacky and is getting old).

I think Lady GaGa has the best shot at being the "next Madonna" but I've been reading this biography of her (called "Poker Face: The Rise and Rise of Lady GaGa) and I think she wants to be taken seriously as an artist, so these attention-grabbing antics of hers might not last long. She might evolve into something totally different, or she might fizzle out thanks to overexposure.
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I am damn proud of you Mihoshi Marie! Especially when I read this:

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...(Katy Perry's candy schtick is really tacky and is getting old).


I felt so happy I could cry! :cry: I am so sick of hearing about this wanna-be-Betty-Page-lolli-pop-tart it ain't even funny. But reading that had me jumping for joy! :jump: (I just love to use these cute little emoticons! ^_^ )
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Read everything you said, Marie, and agree wholeheartedly. There's never gonna be "a new Madonna", as Madonna's method of attention-grabbing and drumming up "controversies" to keep her career on track is no longer relevant. And that's a very good thing!

I suspect that Lady Gaga will, probably with her next album, strip herself of the excess and become a more serious artist (hell, she's showing signs of it already). I think the "doing and wearing weird crap for attention" is just a phase for her and, like David Bowie, she'll quickly grow out of it and pay closer attention to the music. Not saying that Gaga won't be "weird" but, in the future, her weirdness will be mostly restricted to her music.

I like Gaga because I can hear the talent underneath it all. Don't love her yet, though, as she's got quite some ways to go before she's a mature artist I can relate to. And Katy Perry just annoys me (when I hear her on the car radio, I immediately switch to the local rock station).
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I wish writers would stop comparing each and every new female pop singer to Madonna, asking 'Is she the new Madonna,' or saying, "So-and-so is the new Madonna."

I've seen the phrase or tactic used often enough in the past few years that I think it's become a cliche'. I've discussed this before in other threads, so I'll try to keep this short.

I do appreciate it that in some cases this cliche' works in the Madonna haters' favor, since it's more evidence that the public is tired of her and she's been replaced time and time again by other females.

However, the question presupposes that Madonna is, or should be, the standard by which all other female entertainers should be compared, which I believe is bogus. The media are the ones who set Madonna up as the golden standard back in the 1980s, the public did not really do so.

Are Lady Gaga And Justin Bieber The New Madonna And Michael Jackson?
Is Rihanna Really The New Madonna?
  • Posted 10/20/11 1:28 pm ET
    by Jocelyn Vena

    It's easy to compare Lady Gaga and Britney Spears to Madonna and have the two of them vie for her throne. But could it be that there's another pop star secretly working her way to Queen of Pop status and doing it more in the spirit of Madge herself? Well, there's an argument to be made that Rihanna is certainly following in the footsteps of the Mama of Pop.

    "I think that Madonna was a great inspiration for me, especially on my earlier work. If I had to examine her evolution through time, I think she reinvented her clothing style and music with success every single time," Rihanna said earlier this year. "And at the same time remained a real force in entertainment in the whole world."

    While some of you may be scratching your head at the suggestion that Ri – and not Gaga or Brit – might be the new Madge, we've come up with some reasons why. Follow us here for a second, okay?

    For one thing, both artists, over the evolution of their careers, have worked with house artists and DJs, shaping their music in new and unusual ways. Madonna branched out into house music, working with folks like William Orbit, and Rihanna is now emerging as a new player in the same genre thanks to "We Found Love" (a track she worked on with scene player Calvin Harris) and even Loud tracks like "Only Girl In The World" and "Complicated."

    Sure, Lady Gaga lives in the world of costume-ready couture and her looks may influence underworld style, but she doesn't impact everyday fashion the way Madonna did and Rihanna currently does. How many girls did you see rocking red hair after Rihanna dyed hers? It's probably about as many as started wearing lacy gloves and hair bows (yes, Gaga we're looking at you!) after Madonna did it.

    While neither Madonna nor Rihanna are technically great singers, they have signature voices and are known to almost always sing live – often while putting on a show that shames many of their pop peers. The notes may not always be perfect, but we appreciate their attempts to keep it real.

    And with "realness" in mind, both of these ladies say what's on their minds. Read Rihanna's Twitter or any interview that Madonna has given for proof of this. They've also been in a tabloid relationship or two, making headlines for the guys they've dated and they're tendency to not care what people think about it.

    Rihanna, like Madonna, also has a tendency to make truly thought-provoking music videos that fit the songs they represent.

    Smattered in between glitzier, more glamorous clips, Madge and Ri want us to think about bigger issues.

    Just this week, Rihanna got us thinking about the perils of being in an abusive, substance abuse-fueled romance in her "We Found Love" video.

    Madonna broke ground back in the late '80s with videos that took on big issues and had everyone questioning their moral codes, including "Like A Prayer," "Papa Don't Preach" and "Express Yourself."

    What do you think? Is Rihanna cut more from the Madonna cloth than any of her pop peers, including Britney Spears and Lady Gaga? Let us know in the comments.
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  • Madonna broke ground back in the late '80s with videos that took on big issues and had everyone questioning their moral codes, including "Like A Prayer," "Papa Don't Preach" and "Express Yourself."
She wasn't "breaking ground." She was using manufactured controversy to anger middle America to get free press, and it worked.

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  • How many girls did you see rocking red hair after Rihanna dyed hers?
I was coloring my hair ten years before Rihanna was doing so. Rihanna didn't start that. Lucille Ball and a lot of actress in the 40s dyed their hair red.

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  • It's probably about as many as started wearing lacy gloves and hair bows (yes, Gaga we're looking at you!) after Madonna did it.
The hair bow thing: actresses in the 50s did that, plus I read in an article that a hair dresser in the early or mid 80s (at a salon called Bumble + Bumble), taught Madonna how to tie bows in her hair.

Lady Gaga wore a fake lobster on her head about two years ago - when did Madonna do that? Never. Gaga was just in a German publicity spot riding a bike on top of a globe - when did Madonna ever do that? Never. Gaga has worn big, clunky, foot or two foot tall platforms - when did Madonna ever do that? Never.
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I absolutely loathe Rihanna. So the skank dyed her hair rooster-red? What's the big deal? She doesn't even look right with it. She looks like a hooker. It'd be something different if she'd gotten red highlights, that might've been cuter.

But I cannot stand this girl. Why is it that the media is always up this skank's ass? It's not like she can sing or anything. And why do they act like nobody else has ever dyed their hair, or worn mini-desses, or sang about substance abuse or anything? Amy Winehouse sang about substance abuse in Rehab and Addicted. Why does Rihanna get special treatment?

The same with Madonna they act like she's the only one who wore ribbons and bows in her hair. There were plenty of actresses and little girls who wore bows and stuff in their hair, but do they get called revolutionary for it? Nooooo! There just little girls who have ribbons and bows in their hair.

Seriously, what makes Madonna so special? What makes Rihanna so special? They're just two skanks who got lucky. If it wasn't for auto-tune these twits would be unheard of.

But I don't know...maybe I'm just grouchy today. :grr:
Edited by OnyxDragon01, Oct 22 2011, 02:41 PM.
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For the last few years, I've pointed out that many interviews with Madonna almost always start out with the interviewer describing Madonna's home, where they bring up any Kahlo or whatever paintings that are hanging on the walls.

It's been done so often I feel it's become a cliche'. Here's another example.

Madonna: The Director's Cut, by By Naomi Wolf
  • Madonna lives behind high, spike-topped, black metal walls in three townhouses joined into one on New York's Upper East Side. I had to manage my covetous feelings as I was ushered through the gate and then walked through pristine living rooms, dining rooms, and sitting areas, all decorated like the highest end of British hotels, in a mélange of blacks and grays. There were glossy black floors and doors, original Tamara de Lempicka paintings on the walls, and, I would swear, a wall covering made of teal duck feathers in at least one bathroom.
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It seems we go through these five year cycles in pop music where whomever is in the current crop of popular female singers announce in interviews they want a career "just like Madonna's."

It's become a cliche'.

The newest one to upchuck the lame sentiment about wanting a career like Madonna's (does that include the horrible live singing, failed acting and directing?) - is Katy Perry:

Recent headlines:
  • Katy Perry Inspired By Madonna For 'Darker' Next Album

    MTV.com - 56 minutes ago
    Katy Perry said she is inspired by Madonna as she begins working on her "darker" follow-up to Teenage Dream.
    Highly Cited: Katy Perry wants career like Madonna: "She kept everybody ...‎ Digital Spy
    Katy Perry Admits That She Wants A Career 'Just Like Madonna's'‎ Entertainmentwise
    The singer says that Madonna managed to keep everyone interested‎ Gigwise
    The Express Tribune - Stereoboard.com (blog)
    all 34 news articles »
Katy Perry Admits That She Wants A Career 'Just Like Madonna's'‎ Entertainmentwise
  • "I think Madonna, especially in the beginning of her career when she was laying the foundation, was evolving every single time and giving a new visual and a new idea to the public," Perry told L'Uomo Vogue.

    "She kept everybody interested because you never knew what she was going to do next, but whatever she delivered was a solid product."

    Katy continued: "I just hope to be the same. I hope to continually make people interested and hopefully in 10 years look back and have written songs that have become timeless."
First of all, it was a cheap gimmick to keep the media interested. Someone like Cher and Tina Turner didn't have to change their hair color every six months to keep the public interested.

Secondly, if you want to use this approach, then just do it. Talking about it in the public makes it so lame.

Now when she changes her persona radically from candy girl with the blue hair singer into heavy metal freak with ten inches of eye liner, nobody will be surprised by it, so it will lose its punch.

The reason Man-donna's early "reinventions" were so successful, (especially the LAV Toy Boy stuff to the True Blue Marilyn clone look) is that it was unannounced and a radically different look. If you're going to tell the public in advance you're going to be changing your look often, you're dampening the effect.

Also, it's been done so often (by Madonna herself and now Lady Gaga) the public is no longer as shocked or amazed when a public figure changes their look.

Crawford was actually known for changing her looks/hairstyles often back in the 1940s to keep the public interested, so Madonna was not even the first to do it anyway.
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It is NOT just a cliche though it is MANDATORY REQUIREMENT of any female singer who makes it big. You don't work as a female in the music industry (Black, White or Hispanic) without kissing Madonna's ass. that's why she tried to drag Adele in the headlines because she's had zero influence on her and she's selling ten times as many albums and NEVER referencing her.

Lily Allen always was clear that she dislikes Madonna ("I think she's mental") and despite a talent, body of work and wit that puts her in the top echelon of British singer songwriters she was never allowed much of career in the states outside of Glee covering Smile. Don't think that's an accident. Katy Perry 100% copy pasted her entire look when her still born career which had gone nowhere in Hollywood in over five years, was resuscitated by Madonna's Seacrest shout out. Before that Perry had done sh** fake Emo and then Wal Mart level Evanessence attempts at an image. She did not grow up with Pin Up/Cos Play and only copied it off of Lily Allen. She's cut from the same scummy plagiarist` cloth as Mange
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I think this has turned into a cliche' the last few years:
Madonna, Hyde Park, London by Ludovic Hunter-Tilney, July 20, 20121
  • It was a graphic illustration of priorities. Live music is where the money is these days, not records: the first 11 MDNA dates grossed $49.5m. Ticket sales have been slower in the UK: Hyde Park wasn’t sold out. The show also suffered from the venue’s notoriously bad sound quality. But the staging was bold.
This has become a common way to explain away her musical failures. Not just with this MDNA album, but with previous ones, I've seen other writers say the same thing when Hard Candy, or COAD or whatever album, did not sell many copies: they say, "the big deal today is with touring not albums."

Oh, I see, album sales / positions are meaningless when her albums flop.

But you can bet if her albums sold zillions of copies, the supporters would be crowing from the rooftops about it (all the sudden record sales and positions matter if she manages to get to #1, or sell zillions of copies or is the most downloaded artist ever on iTunes. If not, it's only touring that matters now, nobody cares about sales figures anymore! It's so handy how that works.)
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"so and so is the new Madonna" isn't too common, but it is a thought that comes up every so often, enough for me to believe it has become a cliche'

Natalie Cole: 'Beyoncé is the new Madonna'
  • Natalie Cole has released her first full album completely in Spanish, entitled Natalie Cole En Espanol.

    The nine-time Grammy Award winner and daughter of legendary singer Nat King Cole, says her new album is a tribute to her father.

    “It’s just such a great inspiration to know that I can step into that world legitimately,” 63-year-old Cole said during an interview with theGrio’ Chris Witherspoon. “Being my dad’s daughter has allowed me to do a lot of things that maybe another artist might not be able to do or wouldn’t be necessarily embraced doing. It’s extraordinary to me that I would be even doing something like this. It’s great.”

    The “Pink Cadillac” singer also discussed her friendship spanning several decades with the late Whitney Houston. Cole talked candidly about Houston’s sense of humor.

    “Several years ago Whitney and I were on tour… We came home one night from a concert in Germany and Bobby Brown was there. Whitney and Bobby sat in the lounge of the hotel and told jokes. We were there until 6:00 in the morning. Whitney was so funny… she was such a funny girl. I just love that about her. Her sense of humor was great. If it got to be too much, she would just go righto the laughter, because she couldn’t take it. She didn’t like being sad, that was not her.”

    Cole also revealed who she believes to be the current crop of “divas.” Cole said she recently met Adele, and is a huge fan of her work, and also gave props to Beyoncé and Kelly Rowland.

    “I think that it’s going to be interesting to see where Beyoncé’s career goes,” Cole said. “Because now I would say, she is the new Madonna. Girls want to look like her; they want to dress like her… I think that she could be a great influence. She’s a nice girl, definitely not a “diva” in the sense of what we like to use as that definition.”

    Cole continued, praising Kelly Rowland for her ability to step out of Beyoncé’s shadow.

    “I like Kelly Rowland, I think that she’s great. It’s hard to come out of the group of Destiny’s Child and still kick some butt. It’s hard to be in the shadow of a Beyoncé. I think Kelly is a classy girl… I think she’s done a really great job.”
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It can't be as bad as Rihanna being called the "Black Madonna"...
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"So and So" is the New Madonna = Cliche'

Notice the media has done this for years. They once said Spears was "the new Madonna," than Gaga (when Gaga was new, before they began slamming her), etc

Tegan and Sara say Miley Cyrus is 'this generation's Madonna'
  • Sara Quin praises controversial pop star for her 2013 album 'Bangerz'

    Sara Quin of Tegan and Sara has praised Miley Cyrus, calling the pop star "this generation's Madonna".

    "She's this generation's Madonna - a hugely talented pop star with agency over her body and sexuality, which terrifies people. And she's constantly switching up between sounds. 'Bangerz' is part electro, part country, part rap, all incredible."
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Next to Miley the Cat Girl, Madge is way more substantial. Another reason to weep for the Millennial Generation ...

Heck, why not consider the Kardashian/Jenner girls as one big Madonna, too, with their own poisonous chokehold on our culture. That scary Xmas card they just released is like their own Sgt. Pepper.

BTW: I have always been just as ticked off about any notion of "the new Beatles". Of corse, One Direction is the latest take.

Anyway ... back to the "new Madonna theme" ...
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So- and- So is the New Madonna = cliche'

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9 Ways Madonna And Miley Are Kind Of The Same Person

Miley Cyrus: The new Madonna?

Why yes. Yes, she is.

Because everyone knows I could not get enough of the original Madonna.

I must have another Madonna in the world. :puke2: One is not enough.

The world does not have enough suicide blondes shaking their ta ta's at cameras, grabbing their crotches, and grinding to disco music.

We were coming up short! :puke2:

Miley Cyrus: The new Madonna?
  • We thought Miley Cyrus' MTV VMAs drama felt familiar.

    The 21-year-old singer has recruited Madonna for her "MTV Unplugged" special, and the star admits that she takes some inspirational cues from Madonna.

    "I grew up listening to Madonna, and a lot of what she represented for me is what I try to represent to girls now, not being afraid of sexuality and being who you want to be and doing what you want to do," Cyrus told MTV, which will air her "Unplugged" special tonight at 9 p.m. ET/PT.

    During Cyrus' set, the two pop stars collaborate on a mashup of Madge's "Don't Tell Me" and Cyrus' No. 1 hit, "We Can't Stop." According to MTV, we can expect plenty of Madonna-on-Miley grinding - which, given her reason for having Madonna on in the first place, makes sense.

    "'Don't Tell Me' is basically the same message that I'm telling my fans with 'We Can't Stop,'" Cyrus said. "I feel like 'We Can't Stop' is the 2013 version of 'Don't Tell Me.' ... She understood why that was important for a lot of our fans, especially those that are young, who are trying to figure out their freedom. I really wanted her here because I wanted that energy ... she's so about making a statement."

    To refresh your memories, we've dropped both music videos below - do you think Cyrus has a point?
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I consider it a cliche' when journalists ask "Is so and so the new Madonna" or when they say as a matter of fact, "So and so is the new Madonna."

If I am not mistaken, the media did this with the Spice Girls, asking if the SG were the "new Madonna," then they asked if Britney Spears was the new Madonna, and there have been a few more over the years.

I'm not a Rihanna hater (nor a fan), and I'm not a Madonna fan (duh), but I don't think Rihanna is as big a cultural phenomenon that Madonna was in the mid-80s.

Lady Gaga's popularity seems to have cooled off the last year or two, but while she was really popular with "Poker Face" and "Bad Romance," she achieved more of the same kind of mid- 80ish Madonna type fame than Rihanna has. I know Rihanna has a lot of hit singles to her name, but I don't see quite the public or media fascination with her as I do with Gaga or with Madonna.

(I'm not trying to insult Rihanna by saying any of that. I am simply describing the pop culture landscape as I see it and as compared to Madonna, in light of all these "so and so is the New Madonna" comments. I don't mean to offend any Rihanna fans.)

Is Rihanna The 'New Madonna'?
  • Aug 11, 2014
    by maeve keirans

    ...While her cover and its corresponding shoot feature a lot of fur and makep in unexpected places, the second spread is all Balmain and supermodel everything. Yep, Rih is joined by Naomi Campbell and Iman. No big deal. JK, it’s a HUGE deal—Rih proves she can fully hold her own alongside two of the world’s greatest supermodels of all-time. Oh, and Olivier Rousteing, Balmain’s creative designer, describes her as “the new Madonna.” So yeah, this article and these photos are a BFD.
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Thank goodness Iggy Azelea is out of the running for "the new Madonna" - that I can tell ya.

It's sad Gaga's dropped to the wayside, much to the joy of Vadge's lunatic hardcore fans.

Rihanna ... hmmm, she tried to have substance for a while. But I'm not alone to think she had it coming for being involved with Chris Brown.
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I think this has turned into a cliche' the last few years:
Madonna, Hyde Park, London by Ludovic Hunter-Tilney, July 20, 20121
  • It was a graphic illustration of priorities. Live music is where the money is these days, not records: the first 11 MDNA dates grossed $49.5m. Ticket sales have been slower in the UK: Hyde Park wasn’t sold out. The show also suffered from the venue’s notoriously bad sound quality. But the staging was bold.
This has become a common way to explain away her musical failures. Not just with this MDNA album, but with previous ones, I've seen other writers say the same thing when Hard Candy, or COAD or whatever album, did not sell many copies: they say, "the big deal today is with touring not albums."

Oh, I see, album sales / positions are meaningless when her albums flop.

But you can bet if her albums sold zillions of copies, the supporters would be crowing from the rooftops about it (all the sudden record sales and positions matter if she manages to get to #1, or sell zillions of copies or is the most downloaded artist ever on iTunes. If not, it's only touring that matters now, nobody cares about sales figures anymore! It's so handy how that works.)
See what I said there about Madonna's low album sales and how her few remaining fans try to 'splain it away?

See the Music Thread for Taylor Swift articles (page six of thread),

with stories such as,

"Taylor Swift Is the Music Industry"

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  • Swift’s success is an anomaly in an ailing industry that’s been in decline since 2000.
And

"Taylor Swift removes all her music from Spotify as new album remains on course to break 12-year sales record"

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  • According to Billboard, 1989 [Taylor Swift's album] is on course to beat Britney Spears' record sales week for a woman.

    In 2000, Britney sold 1.319 million copies of Oops! …I Did It Again according to Nielsen SoundScan.

    Industry forecasters predict Swift could have sold over 1.3 million copies by November 2.
So. Taylor Swift is selling zillions of records in a time when folks are only going on tours but not selling many albums. So what is Madonna's excuse?
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"I AM big! It's the pictures that got small!!"

Unlike Norma Desmond, Madge has a fanbase that does more than write her letters. The results are usually beyond toxic.

They even think the sun shines out of Madge's own version of Salome aka W.E., even if she directed instead of starred.
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It seems that at least once a year, maybe once every other year, someone writes one of these "Ten things corporations / managers can learn from Madonna about [insert business related topic here, usually "re-branding" or "reinvention"]

It has become a cliche'. Do the people that write these things not consider all her failures, like at movie acting, directing, marriage etc?

Notice also that this contains another well worn Madonna cliche' - "Whether you like Madonna or not, you must admit that...."

The Power of Reinvention: Entrepreneurial Lessons from Madonna
  • by Tova Payne
    Author and Business Coach supporting soulful entrepreneurs to turn their business dreams into reality.

    Madonna is an iconic figure and stellar entrepreneur.

    Whether or not you like her music, her style, or how she goes about getting the attention she does, there's one thing for sure: she's always known how to break the rules of her industry, tread her own path, and dare to reinvent herself time and time again.

    Madonna teaches us the power of reinvention: and that is the power we're diving into today.

    The power of reinvention takes two forms:

    1. Daring to take risks

    2. Daring to Change what you do, and how you do it.

    Let's start with the power of daring to take risks:

    [snip the remainder]
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Yes, as if she were the best example because she's a WOMAN. Oprah who? Or Helen Gurley Brown? Or Coco Chanel? Or Barbara Walters? Or Diane Von Furstenberg? Or Tina Brown? Or Anna Wintour?

- As if she were the very first woman CEO of anything. Joan Crawford ran Pepsi for a while, but ** oops ** she had to marry into it! Yes, folks, Madge needed absolutely NO ONE to help her to the top of the heap.

- As if she's strikingly different than any other women entrepreneur/philanthropist, especially one who doesn't need to try so hard to prove her intelligence or her general perception of the world around HER ...
Edited by Julia Griggs, Nov 18 2014, 10:17 AM.
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