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| Mihoshi Marie | Jul 30 2011, 06:29 PM Post #61 |
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I do not think there is going to be a new "Queen" or "King" of any music genre anymore. Ever since Madonna's debut, the culture and media have changed. People's attention spans are shorter than ever. Some of these current popstars might be prominent for a few years (perhaps a couple of years) but they won't dominate the media cycle the way Madonna did back in the '80s and '90s. The media and public move on faster than ever. It makes me think of Britney Spears - she is still hanging around, but not as prominent as she aws in her heyday - that's partly due to her getting older and also due to her personal problems back in 2007. But you can say the same about Christina Aguilera, whose recent album flopped, and she did recently go through a divorce but didn't have the same kind of problems Britney did. When it comes to Katy Perry and Lady GaGa, they've only been prominent for a few years. I think Lady GaGa's first single was released in 2007 or 2008, and Katy Perry's first mainstream single ("I Kissed A Girl") was released in 2008. It's only been three years for the both of them. I'd give them both another couple of years before they start to fade away like Britney and Christina - still in the music biz with established fan bases, but not grabbing headlines as much. The media is WAY too quick to label someone "the next Madonna". Madonna herself is teetering on complete irrelevance. She doesn't even get that many haters anymore (not a lot of visitors to this board anymore and I think it's partly because of her growing irrelevance - people don't feel that strongly about her one way or the other anymore, apart from die-hards on both sides of the debate). In fact, I remember the media going on and on about how Britney and/or Christina were "the next Madonna" and look at them now - Britney's been through a lot of drama that's had quite an impact on her career and there are reports that her tour isn't doing so well (and that her latest album hasn't sold as well as her previous ones) and not only did Christina's latest album flop, she had to cancel the tour she was going to do to support it, her major film debut tanked and she's now reduced to being a host on an American Idol-esque reality show. At least her show is doing okay, but still - Madonna has yet to host a reality show (she's made guest appearances on a couple). If there's ever going to truly be "another Madonna" we might be waiting a while. I don't think any of these current popstars can be "the next Madonna" and I don't mean that being the next Madonna is a good thing - people like Lady GaGa have too much integrity and talent to do the kinds of things necessary to maintain the Madonna-like levels of fame (or notoriety). People like Katy Perry, on the other hand, don't change their images enough to keep the public interested (Katy Perry's candy schtick is really tacky and is getting old). I think Lady GaGa has the best shot at being the "next Madonna" but I've been reading this biography of her (called "Poker Face: The Rise and Rise of Lady GaGa) and I think she wants to be taken seriously as an artist, so these attention-grabbing antics of hers might not last long. She might evolve into something totally different, or she might fizzle out thanks to overexposure. |
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| OnyxDragon01 | Jul 30 2011, 08:19 PM Post #62 |
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I am damn proud of you Mihoshi Marie! Especially when I read this:
I felt so happy I could cry! I am so sick of hearing about this wanna-be-Betty-Page-lolli-pop-tart it ain't even funny. But reading that had me jumping for joy! (I just love to use these cute little emoticons! )
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| Melissa | Aug 11 2011, 07:40 PM Post #63 |
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Read everything you said, Marie, and agree wholeheartedly. There's never gonna be "a new Madonna", as Madonna's method of attention-grabbing and drumming up "controversies" to keep her career on track is no longer relevant. And that's a very good thing! I suspect that Lady Gaga will, probably with her next album, strip herself of the excess and become a more serious artist (hell, she's showing signs of it already). I think the "doing and wearing weird crap for attention" is just a phase for her and, like David Bowie, she'll quickly grow out of it and pay closer attention to the music. Not saying that Gaga won't be "weird" but, in the future, her weirdness will be mostly restricted to her music. I like Gaga because I can hear the talent underneath it all. Don't love her yet, though, as she's got quite some ways to go before she's a mature artist I can relate to. And Katy Perry just annoys me (when I hear her on the car radio, I immediately switch to the local rock station). Edited by Melissa, Aug 11 2011, 07:46 PM.
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| flea dip | Oct 22 2011, 12:25 PM Post #64 |
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Is Rihanna Really The New Madonna?
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Lady Gaga wore a fake lobster on her head about two years ago - when did Madonna do that? Never. Gaga was just in a German publicity spot riding a bike on top of a globe - when did Madonna ever do that? Never. Gaga has worn big, clunky, foot or two foot tall platforms - when did Madonna ever do that? Never. |
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| OnyxDragon01 | Oct 22 2011, 02:40 PM Post #65 |
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I absolutely loathe Rihanna. So the skank dyed her hair rooster-red? What's the big deal? She doesn't even look right with it. She looks like a hooker. It'd be something different if she'd gotten red highlights, that might've been cuter. But I cannot stand this girl. Why is it that the media is always up this skank's ass? It's not like she can sing or anything. And why do they act like nobody else has ever dyed their hair, or worn mini-desses, or sang about substance abuse or anything? Amy Winehouse sang about substance abuse in Rehab and Addicted. Why does Rihanna get special treatment? The same with Madonna they act like she's the only one who wore ribbons and bows in her hair. There were plenty of actresses and little girls who wore bows and stuff in their hair, but do they get called revolutionary for it? Nooooo! There just little girls who have ribbons and bows in their hair. Seriously, what makes Madonna so special? What makes Rihanna so special? They're just two skanks who got lucky. If it wasn't for auto-tune these twits would be unheard of. But I don't know...maybe I'm just grouchy today.
Edited by OnyxDragon01, Oct 22 2011, 02:41 PM.
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| flea dip | Nov 10 2011, 04:27 PM Post #66 |
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For the last few years, I've pointed out that many interviews with Madonna almost always start out with the interviewer describing Madonna's home, where they bring up any Kahlo or whatever paintings that are hanging on the walls. It's been done so often I feel it's become a cliche'. Here's another example. Madonna: The Director's Cut, by By Naomi Wolf
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| flea dip | Jun 29 2012, 09:09 AM Post #67 |
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It seems we go through these five year cycles in pop music where whomever is in the current crop of popular female singers announce in interviews they want a career "just like Madonna's." It's become a cliche'. The newest one to upchuck the lame sentiment about wanting a career like Madonna's (does that include the horrible live singing, failed acting and directing?) - is Katy Perry: Recent headlines:
Secondly, if you want to use this approach, then just do it. Talking about it in the public makes it so lame. Now when she changes her persona radically from candy girl with the blue hair singer into heavy metal freak with ten inches of eye liner, nobody will be surprised by it, so it will lose its punch. The reason Man-donna's early "reinventions" were so successful, (especially the LAV Toy Boy stuff to the True Blue Marilyn clone look) is that it was unannounced and a radically different look. If you're going to tell the public in advance you're going to be changing your look often, you're dampening the effect. Also, it's been done so often (by Madonna herself and now Lady Gaga) the public is no longer as shocked or amazed when a public figure changes their look. Crawford was actually known for changing her looks/hairstyles often back in the 1940s to keep the public interested, so Madonna was not even the first to do it anyway. |
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| SuperAmanda | Jun 29 2012, 01:56 PM Post #68 |
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It is NOT just a cliche though it is MANDATORY REQUIREMENT of any female singer who makes it big. You don't work as a female in the music industry (Black, White or Hispanic) without kissing Madonna's ass. that's why she tried to drag Adele in the headlines because she's had zero influence on her and she's selling ten times as many albums and NEVER referencing her. Lily Allen always was clear that she dislikes Madonna ("I think she's mental") and despite a talent, body of work and wit that puts her in the top echelon of British singer songwriters she was never allowed much of career in the states outside of Glee covering Smile. Don't think that's an accident. Katy Perry 100% copy pasted her entire look when her still born career which had gone nowhere in Hollywood in over five years, was resuscitated by Madonna's Seacrest shout out. Before that Perry had done sh** fake Emo and then Wal Mart level Evanessence attempts at an image. She did not grow up with Pin Up/Cos Play and only copied it off of Lily Allen. She's cut from the same scummy plagiarist` cloth as Mange Edited by SuperAmanda, Jun 29 2012, 01:56 PM.
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| flea dip | Jul 20 2012, 02:25 PM Post #69 |
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I think this has turned into a cliche' the last few years: Madonna, Hyde Park, London by Ludovic Hunter-Tilney, July 20, 20121
Oh, I see, album sales / positions are meaningless when her albums flop. But you can bet if her albums sold zillions of copies, the supporters would be crowing from the rooftops about it (all the sudden record sales and positions matter if she manages to get to #1, or sell zillions of copies or is the most downloaded artist ever on iTunes. If not, it's only touring that matters now, nobody cares about sales figures anymore! It's so handy how that works.) |
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| flea dip | Jul 4 2013, 12:38 PM Post #70 |
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"so and so is the new Madonna" isn't too common, but it is a thought that comes up every so often, enough for me to believe it has become a cliche' Natalie Cole: 'Beyoncé is the new Madonna'
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| ForgottenOne | Jul 7 2013, 12:54 PM Post #71 |
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Desperately Seeking Clarity
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It can't be as bad as Rihanna being called the "Black Madonna"... |
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| flea dip | Dec 4 2013, 06:59 PM Post #72 |
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"So and So" is the New Madonna = Cliche' Notice the media has done this for years. They once said Spears was "the new Madonna," than Gaga (when Gaga was new, before they began slamming her), etc Tegan and Sara say Miley Cyrus is 'this generation's Madonna'
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| Julia Griggs | Dec 5 2013, 02:07 PM Post #73 |
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Next to Miley the Cat Girl, Madge is way more substantial. Another reason to weep for the Millennial Generation ... Heck, why not consider the Kardashian/Jenner girls as one big Madonna, too, with their own poisonous chokehold on our culture. That scary Xmas card they just released is like their own Sgt. Pepper. BTW: I have always been just as ticked off about any notion of "the new Beatles". Of corse, One Direction is the latest take. Anyway ... back to the "new Madonna theme" ... Edited by Julia Griggs, Dec 5 2013, 02:07 PM.
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| flea dip | Jan 31 2014, 10:46 PM Post #74 |
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So- and- So is the New Madonna = cliche' edit, new link: 9 Ways Madonna And Miley Are Kind Of The Same Person Miley Cyrus: The new Madonna? Why yes. Yes, she is. Because everyone knows I could not get enough of the original Madonna. I must have another Madonna in the world. One is not enough.The world does not have enough suicide blondes shaking their ta ta's at cameras, grabbing their crotches, and grinding to disco music. We were coming up short! ![]() Miley Cyrus: The new Madonna?
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| flea dip | Aug 11 2014, 09:02 PM Post #75 |
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I consider it a cliche' when journalists ask "Is so and so the new Madonna" or when they say as a matter of fact, "So and so is the new Madonna." If I am not mistaken, the media did this with the Spice Girls, asking if the SG were the "new Madonna," then they asked if Britney Spears was the new Madonna, and there have been a few more over the years. I'm not a Rihanna hater (nor a fan), and I'm not a Madonna fan (duh), but I don't think Rihanna is as big a cultural phenomenon that Madonna was in the mid-80s. Lady Gaga's popularity seems to have cooled off the last year or two, but while she was really popular with "Poker Face" and "Bad Romance," she achieved more of the same kind of mid- 80ish Madonna type fame than Rihanna has. I know Rihanna has a lot of hit singles to her name, but I don't see quite the public or media fascination with her as I do with Gaga or with Madonna. (I'm not trying to insult Rihanna by saying any of that. I am simply describing the pop culture landscape as I see it and as compared to Madonna, in light of all these "so and so is the New Madonna" comments. I don't mean to offend any Rihanna fans.) Is Rihanna The 'New Madonna'?
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| Julia Griggs | Aug 12 2014, 11:03 AM Post #76 |
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Thank goodness Iggy Azelea is out of the running for "the new Madonna" - that I can tell ya. It's sad Gaga's dropped to the wayside, much to the joy of Vadge's lunatic hardcore fans. Rihanna ... hmmm, she tried to have substance for a while. But I'm not alone to think she had it coming for being involved with Chris Brown. |
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| flea dip | Nov 14 2014, 10:28 PM Post #77 |
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See what I said there about Madonna's low album sales and how her few remaining fans try to 'splain it away? See the Music Thread for Taylor Swift articles (page six of thread), with stories such as, "Taylor Swift Is the Music Industry" Excerpt:
"Taylor Swift removes all her music from Spotify as new album remains on course to break 12-year sales record" Excerpt
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| Julia Griggs | Nov 16 2014, 04:12 PM Post #78 |
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"I AM big! It's the pictures that got small!!" Unlike Norma Desmond, Madge has a fanbase that does more than write her letters. The results are usually beyond toxic. They even think the sun shines out of Madge's own version of Salome aka W.E., even if she directed instead of starred. Edited by Julia Griggs, Nov 16 2014, 04:13 PM.
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| flea dip | Nov 17 2014, 11:01 PM Post #79 |
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It seems that at least once a year, maybe once every other year, someone writes one of these "Ten things corporations / managers can learn from Madonna about [insert business related topic here, usually "re-branding" or "reinvention"] It has become a cliche'. Do the people that write these things not consider all her failures, like at movie acting, directing, marriage etc? Notice also that this contains another well worn Madonna cliche' - "Whether you like Madonna or not, you must admit that...." The Power of Reinvention: Entrepreneurial Lessons from Madonna
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| Julia Griggs | Nov 18 2014, 10:15 AM Post #80 |
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Yes, as if she were the best example because she's a WOMAN. Oprah who? Or Helen Gurley Brown? Or Coco Chanel? Or Barbara Walters? Or Diane Von Furstenberg? Or Tina Brown? Or Anna Wintour? - As if she were the very first woman CEO of anything. Joan Crawford ran Pepsi for a while, but ** oops ** she had to marry into it! Yes, folks, Madge needed absolutely NO ONE to help her to the top of the heap. - As if she's strikingly different than any other women entrepreneur/philanthropist, especially one who doesn't need to try so hard to prove her intelligence or her general perception of the world around HER ... Edited by Julia Griggs, Nov 18 2014, 10:17 AM.
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I am so sick of hearing about this wanna-be-Betty-Page-lolli-pop-tart it ain't even funny. But reading that had me jumping for joy!
(I just love to use these cute little emoticons!
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