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Cliche' alert! Cliche' alert!
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Topic Started: Dec 1 2005, 03:21 PM (5,994 Views)
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Nov 18 2014, 01:16 PM
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Are they serious? You can learn those "secrets" by reading any "how to run a business" book! You don't have to look to Vadge's career to learn anything about business, except perhaps this: if you see something you like, steal it and make it mainstream. That's clearly not good advice, as one would be sued for plagiarism and intellectual property theft.
Something I forgot to mention in my critique of that "10 reasons why Madonna is still relevant" article - her whole "reinvention" schtick is highly overrated. All she's done is change her hair color and/or style every few years (and for the past decade she's pretty much stuck to blonde hair, except for that one day she dyed it brown for some ball, or something). For the album Music, she dressed up as a cowgirl, but still sang dance pop music. For Confessions on a Dancefloor, she dressed up as some disco fitness queen, but still sang dance pop music. She's been doing the same kind of music for over thirty years now.
These journalists don't even try anymore. They probably have a big book of Madonna cliches to use somewhere, so they can throw something together whenever there's nothing else to write about.
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Nov 19 2014, 09:36 PM
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When Madonna "succeeds", the music industry is okay.
When Madonna fails, the music industry is in trouble.
That's pretty much what they're saying... albeit it's not true anyway.
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Dec 6 2014, 10:54 PM
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Journalists have been using the "Love her or hate her" phrase going back to the 1980s in regards to Madonna. They need to retire it.
Love her or hate her, Madonna is a machine - nobody has her drive Mirror.co.uk-5 hours ago- This time for a photo shoot for Interview magazine and not since Sam Fox bared her enormous ones for Page 3 back in the 80s has so much ...
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Dec 7 2014, 07:14 PM
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On the Senior Citizen Sexiness thread, there was an article that reminds us that Madge is a "mum" of four. Therefore, she can do what the heck she wants because she still has it goin' on. As if all other postmenopausal mothers could relate to her.
Meanwhile, Lady Gaga (among other singers) should be seen as shallow & immature because they haven't given birth yet. SMH ...
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Dec 7 2014, 09:23 PM
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On the Senior Citizen Sexiness thread, there was an article that reminds us that Madge is a "mum" of four. Therefore, she can do what the heck she wants because she still has it goin' on. As if all other postmenopausal mothers could relate to her.
Meanwhile, Lady Gaga (among other singers) should be seen as shallow & immature because they haven't given birth yet. SMH ... It is sort of sexist for one woman to equate motherhood with maturity.
Not all women can have children or want to have them.
Actresses Diaz and Aniston get hounded all the time over being childless.
Also, do these journalists not keep in mind that Madonna aborted several babies before having the girl and Rocco?

Jennifer Aniston: My 'value as a woman' isn't measured by motherhood
Child-free by choice: How Cameron Diaz represents women like me - It turns out, there’s one thing a woman can attract more attention for than her body, and that’s her willingness to express an unpopular opinion — and then stick by it.
Because every woman of a certain age, famous or not, is always inevitably asked about her relationship, marital status and/or desire to be a mother and have children, Cameron, 41, ended up discussing the same old question about conventional expectations in her interview with the magazine. But her answer was anything but.
Turns out, she doesn’t want to be a mother at all. And, boom. That’s how Cameron Diaz became the patron saint of childless-by-choice women. Women like me. Women who don’t have children, don’t want to, and don’t see why that’s a problem for other people when it’s anything but a problem for us.
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Dec 8 2014, 12:09 AM
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^ That's because Madonna is doing her best - like Michael Jackson and Bill Cosby did until they got the red carpet pulled from under them via the scandals - to cover it all up. Believe me, when she dies, those type of stories would be out. Or better yet, they'll wait until Madonna's literally in her 70s and reveal all the skeletons in her closet, a'la Aretha...
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Jan 27 2015, 05:31 PM
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After the mid 80s, a lot of writers held Madonna up as an example- one for young women to follow, but also quite often, you'd see business writers go on and on about Madonna's so-called business genius.
I have seen so many articles saying that businesses can learn a thing or two from Madonna, in regards to longevity or "reinvention."
Writers used Madonna as an example for these things so often it became a little bit of a cliche.
I find it interesting when they stop using Madonna as an example and use someone else, such as - (these are the sorts of articles that used to use Madonna as a reference, but this one is using Taylor Swift):
5 life lessons you can learn from Taylor Swift
Excerpt- Rebrand yourself like this savvy businesswoman
By Julia Sonenshein Published: Jan 27, 2015 5:49 p.m. ET
Last year was a critical turning point for Swift’s brand. As Rolling Stone points out, she had a bit of a coming-out party, debuting as a full-fledged pop star. Gone were the frilly white dresses and songs about waiting for Prince Charming. Instead, she debuted a new identity, one brimming with business prowess and brand awareness.
Want to rebrand yourself or your business? Take a page from T. Swift’s playbook.
.... Don’t underestimate your value Music critics, teen fans, and grown-ups like me lost their minds over 1989. But it was a business decision that kept Swift on top the of news cycle: She removed her catalog from Spotify.
Swift says Spotify does not compensate artists adequately, and as she boldly put it in a Wall Street Journal op-ed: “Music is art, and art is important and rare. Important, rare things are valuable. Valuable things should be paid for.” Amen.
...Stay true to you In Lucky magazine, Swift answered the apparently pressing question about why she doesn’t expose her belly button: She doesn’t want to. She continued to joke about it, but the message is clear: Her body is hers to display as she chooses.
As we’ve seen with Beyoncé, espousing personal values is a clear boon to personal brands. “People want to connect with people, not a persona,” says Danielle Miller, a personal brand strategist. Even when rebranding, Swift stuck to her guns and maintained her authenticity.
HR consultant Laura Gmeinder also stresses the importance of being transparent. “Sharing personal values will attract the right customers to you if done correctly.” Cashman adds, “People build loyalty around brands they trust, and it’s hard to trust anything that holds back its ideas and neglects to relay its values.”
Update your style It’s hardly just Swift’s music that changed—her personal style evolved significantly. For the better part of her career, she donned an endless supply of fluffy white confections that you might wear to a purity ball where you pledge chastity to your father. Yikes.
That look is a stark contrast to today’s Swift, whom I associate with an Audrey Hepburn-esque black turtleneck, winged eyeliner, and red lipstick. Way more sophisticated.
... Upgrade your network Surround yourself with powerful new friends and rebuild your network. Note Swift’s pictures with model Karlie Kloss and Lena Dunham.
Finding a strong network might seem daunting, but it doesn’t need to be. Use online resources like Facebook groups, Meetups, and LinkedIn, or take it offline and try that networking event you’ve been avoiding.
...It’s a marathon, not a sprint Perhaps Swift’s most daring change was moving out of her comfy country niche into the mainstream. But take note of her evolution.
As digital marketing expert Meagan Rhodes points out, Swift didn’t make a sudden genre switch; instead, each album got progressively more poppy.
She recommends that change be relatively seamless, or “50 mini-pivots that happen over time.”
PR and marketing expert Jasmine Bina also points out the necessity of creating “a clear path, even with simple tactics such as customer surveys, beta testing, content marketing, customer support” for your customers to follow, ensuring that they stick with you during the change.
How do you know when it’s time to pivot?
Rhodes says it “should be a natural reaction for a business when they notice one aspect of the business is bringing in more revenue than the others.
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Mar 5 2015, 05:51 PM
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A few years ago, I mentioned in some old thread how journalists always do this. Not all of them, but I mean, every several interviews, a journalist will comment on artwork Madonna has hanging up in her home or where ever they are interviewing her.
It's become a cliche' for journalists to mention what paintings she has hanging up in her home when they go to interview her.
Here's yet another example (from a March 2015 New York Times interview, Madonna Talks about ‘Rebel Heart,’ Her Fall and More) - We spoke in her [Madonna's] sitting room, where a Fernand Léger painting presides from above the fireplace. A large coffee table was neatly stacked with books and folders of photographs that Madonna has been using for research as she works on the screenplay for her next film project, based on the novel “The Impossible Lives of Greta Wells.”
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Mar 5 2015, 07:41 PM
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I'd forgotten about that proposed movie. Still love to read the book.
The paintings also have to be mentioned to show how many aspects of success she's had over the 30+ years the fans still have to remind us of. Because she's supposed to be a citizen of world culture.
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Mar 8 2015, 09:56 AM
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I think mentioning paintings are her attempts to make herself look articulate, intelligent and an artiste...lol
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Mar 10 2015, 02:40 PM
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Some of you know how much I am annoyed by the roster of titles journalists put in their writings about Madonna. Usually, the descriptions (which are not always true or accurate, like "trend setter," for example) go something like this: - Madonna. Singer. Dancer. Shoe polisher. Actress. Trend setter. Tofu eater. Wife. Mother. Toenail clipper. Chameleon. Writer. Mildew aficionado. Boundary pusher. Fashionista.
Here's the latest example I've come across:
Madonna Is A True Feminist Icon — & You Need To Pay Attention To What She's Saying - MAR 9, 2015 7:00 AM
NEHA GANDHI
Superstar. Chameleon. Truth-teller. Sexually liberated provocateur. Feminist. Mother. Artist.
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Madonna: 'I’m the new old Madonna.' - By CASSIE STOKES
3/10/2015 at 8:13 PM ET
And finally when asked about the new generation of singers dubbed "the new Madonna", she simply says “I’m the new old Madonna.” The issue is out March 17.
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Mar 31 2015, 08:06 AM
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Cliche: "So and so is the French Madonna" (or Russian Madonna, Italian, Canadian, Swedish, whatever Madonna)
Selena: the Mexican Madonna Link - Telegraph.co.uk-7 hours ago
Selena, born to Mexican-American parents in Texas in 1971, was described as the “Mexican equivalent of Madonna” in reports of her death, ...
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Using Madonna song titles in headlines about Madonna - cliche. Another example.
10 Tweets That Show How ‘Hung Up’ People Are About Madonna's Age
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I consider it a cliche' when journalists ask "Is so and so the new Madonna" or when they say as a matter of fact, "So and so is the new Madonna."
If I am not mistaken, the media did this with the Spice Girls, asking if the SG were the "new Madonna," then they asked if Britney Spears was the new Madonna, and there have been a few more over the years. Miley Cyrus is the New Madonna! Miley Cyrus is this generation's Madonna!
Canny and confrontational, Miley Cyrus is this generation’s Madonna - by Rebecca Nicholson
She’s a Disney survivor with a fluid approach to gender identity. And, like the old three-chord punks, she gives really good quote
....The difference between this and a clothes-less Christina Aguilera cradling an electric guitar on the cover of Rolling Stone, for example, is that this is resolutely unsexy. It’s confrontational, Free The Nipple nudity. She doesn’t look coy, or vulnerable. She looks like she’s having a party. She’s taking the 90s Madonna approach to public sexuality: it’s deliberately provocative, and crucially, it is not being served up for male consumption.
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Which begs for more clichés about how women should be free, open, shameless. Because if you don't agree, you're a slut-shamer or just jealous or too pious to live,
This leads into another cliché: MILEY'S SO GROWN UP NOW!! Who needs to look or act normal when you're trying to be a new queen of rock-n-roll?
Because talking about one's sexuality really does help if your "songs" aren't appreciated enough by the public. You owe it to your generation to be so revolutionary, not boring like "creepy" Taylor Swift!
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Scroll down, there is a new example!
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I consider it a cliche' when journalists ask "Is so and so the new Madonna" or when they say as a matter of fact, "So and so is the new Madonna."
If I am not mistaken, the media did this with the Spice Girls, asking if the SG were the "new Madonna," then they asked if Britney Spears was the new Madonna, and there have been a few more over the years. Miley Cyrus is the New Madonna! Miley Cyrus is this generation's Madonna!Canny and confrontational, Miley Cyrus is this generation’s Madonna - by Rebecca Nicholson
She’s a Disney survivor with a fluid approach to gender identity. And, like the old three-chord punks, she gives really good quote
....The difference between this and a clothes-less Christina Aguilera cradling an electric guitar on the cover of Rolling Stone, for example, is that this is resolutely unsexy. It’s confrontational, Free The Nipple nudity. She doesn’t look coy, or vulnerable. She looks like she’s having a party. She’s taking the 90s Madonna approach to public sexuality: it’s deliberately provocative, and crucially, it is not being served up for male consumption.
Wow, two on the same day!
We normally don't get these "So and so is the new Madonna" articles only but once per year, or once every several months...
But we now have two in one day.
This Golf Player is the Madonna of Golfing!
We need a Madonna of Denistry! Madonna of Auto Mechanics! Madonna of Plumbers!
Phil Mickelson is the Madonna of the PGA Tour, says Notah Begay - Phil Mickelson has reinvented himself so many times over his Hall of Fame career, he reminds Notah Begay III of another outstanding veteran, though you may be surprised by the comparison.
il Mickelson is such a master at revamping his game and convincing himself and others that he can achieve goals that may seem unattainable as a 40-something on the PGA Tour, that he reminds Notah Begay III of a certain athletic pop singer who’s had more personas than top-selling albums.
"I do think players can reinvent themselves. They have to because it’s a way to maintain a certain type of motivational focus that is required to play the game at its highest level," Golf Channel analyst Begay said during a pre-U.S. Open teleconference on Wednesday. "The best person at that, besides Madonna, is not Jennifer Lopez, is Phil Mickelson."
Wait, what? THE multi-hyphenated Madonna, who overhauls her image and her music as often as Phil does his equipment and putting stroke? Yep.
Mickelson "will convince you by his interviews, saying, ‘Wow, my body’s different, my swing’s different, my putting’s different,'" Tiger Woods’ close friend said during a discussion about the mental and physical state of the game of the former world No. 1.
"It’s always something and he’ll keep telling you and telling you and telling himself in interviews to the point where he convinces himself this is going to get him to that next level," Begay said about Mickelson, 44, who went all low-carb Paleo over the offseason in an effort to lose weight and boost his swing speed.
"I think he’s wonderful at it and I think sometimes people criticize him for it but it’s either take that type of attitude, where you’re trying to convince yourself that you can do things that may be aren’t necessarily all that reasonable, or the other type, where you just start telling yourself you can’t do things."
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Jun 11 2015, 05:42 PM
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I want more Cyndi Laupers, Patti Smiths, Pat Benatars, Millie Jacksons, Betty Davises and Joan Jetts and less Madonnas if we're gonna go there.
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Also Stevie Nickses, Bjorks, Marianne Faithfulls, Kim Gordons, Etta Jameses, Annie Lennoxes, Chrissie Hyndes, Lita Fords, Cordell Jacksons, Erykah Badus, Macy Grays, Nikka Costas, Laura Marlingses, Kate Nashes, Ann & Nancy Wilsons, Mariska Vereses, Grace Slickses, KT Tunstalls, Tegan & Saras ...
I could go on bloody well forever, my passion is that strong.
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Reporters asking "Is so and so the "new" Madonna" has been a cliche for about the last 15 or more years.
Is music superstar Taylor Swift the Madonna of generation now? by LUKE DENNEHY - July 20, 2015
Herald Sun
THE word “superstar” is thrown around unnecessarily these days all the time, but when it comes to Taylor Swift, it's the right label.
Swift, 25, has had a massive fanbase for years after bursting onto the scene as a teenager in the country music world.
But it wasn’t until the release of her album 1989 in October last year that in my mind she has become the biggest, and most influential music “superstar” in the world.
Everyone it seems loves her, from young girls, the gay community and oldies, as well as more serious musicians like Melbourne’s Vance Joy who is supporting her world tour.
Back in 1989 it was Madonna who was pushing envelopes when it came to music - big anthemic pop songs such as Like A Prayer and Express Yourself.
While a different sound, the album 1989 has similar anthemic pop songs, from Shake It Off to Style to one of the album tracks Out Of The Woods.
Is Swift the Madonna of our generation?
Yes, compared to Madonna she is squeaky clean, but that doesn’t mean her image isn’t as cultivated as the Material Girl.
From on stage to when she is walking with girlfriends in New York City, Swift always looks the part, she is always on.
Much like Madonna she is becoming a style icon for young girls around the world.
A decade or so ago there was so much debate about the likes of Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera and their over sexualised image.
It’s so refreshing that Swift isn't like this in the slightest, and yet she sells records by the truckload.
Perhaps the biggest evidence in Melbourne about Swift’s “superstar” status is the fact she is about to sell out a third AAMI Stadium gig in December.
Could anyone in the current climate do that right now?
I doubt it.
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