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Manny Blames COAD / MDNA Failure on Others; -producer blames MDNA failure on marketing
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Topic Started: Oct 23 2007, 11:59 PM (1,140 Views)
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Oct 23 2007, 11:59 PM
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Man-donna is playing the blame game again, just like she does when her movies flop.
When her movies flop, it's never, ever her fault: it's always someone else's, such as the director's. (Related thread: Madonna is Still Blaming Others for Her Acting Failures)
Let me explain why COAD flopped in the USA (if anyone else has other reasons, please chip in and add!):- > Nobody in the USA cares about Manny anymore (no amount of marketing or WB-sponsored publicity can change that - btw, Warner Bros. spent a fortune promoting the COAD album);
> the ugly "Farrah" hair was tacky, and a 48 year old woman wearing skin tight leotards and hot pants = huge turn-off for Americans (it was plain creepy)
> '70s Disco isn't "in" anymore
This is on Drowned Madonna- Madonna Dissatisfied with WMG's Promotion of C.O.A.D.F. in the U.S.
This gossip and commentary were published today in music industry publication HitsDailyDouble in the "Rumor Mill" section:
MADONNA WANNABE GONE: Insiders say Madonna was furious with Tom Whalley and Edgar Bronfman Jr. for dropping the ball on her last album, 2005's Confessions on a Dance Floor, especially in the U.S., where she sold less than 20% of her worldwide total of 8 million-plus.
The acrimonious parting of the ways between WMG and her Maverick label, when they failed to show her any love, exacerbated her displeasure with the pair.
That made for a sad final chapter to Madonna’s quarter-century run at WB—although her pain was undoubtedly eased by that $120 million she’s getting from Michael Rapino’s Live Nation in a deal negotiated by her attorney, Allen Grubman.
On one level, adding record rights to the deal was a symbolic slap in the face to Whalley and Bronfman, but the move has bottom-line implications as well, considering the sizable worldwide numbers Madonna continues to tally.
The loss of those sales constitutes a major blow to WMG, and it comes at a particularly inopportune time.
Not everyone is in agreement that Madonna leaving WB makes WB a loser.
We've posted articles in the "Live Nation" thread by folks who point out some potential problems Live Nation will have in trying to earn profit off Manny.
Who says the WB guys 'dropped the ball?' It was more like Americans weren't interested in buying COAD or hearing songs from it on the radio.
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Oct 24 2007, 03:26 AM
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Indeed.
And she's too greedy to understand that forcing an endless array of schlocky mandona products down the pulic throat (ads, billboards, painting the sides of buildings) is not going to make people buy her crap.
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Oct 25 2007, 06:16 PM
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- Ironshadow,Oct 24 2007
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Indeed.
And she's too greedy to understand that forcing an endless array of schlocky mandona products down the pulic throat (ads, billboards, painting the sides of buildings) is not going to make people buy her crap.
Yes, but whenever she next releases a book/ CD / DVD, and she does her publicity rounds, watch how the TV show hosts, interviewers, and her PR team handles it.
I can just see a TV host being instructed to make comments to her in interviews such as,- "So Madonna, you've had a remarkable career, lasting longer than any other female pop singer, and you're still releasing albums today.
You've always had your pulse on pop culture, knowing exactly what the public wants.
Amazingly, you've been in the music business for 25 years now, the longevity is incredible! What advice would you give to pop stars starting out these days?"
-Notice how questions like that are worded in such a way to get the Average (American) Joe to think, "Well if this TV show guy says she's still "got it," is still influential, she must be. Hmm, I guess I'm the only one who was thinking she's a has-been."
Don't lawyers refer to such questions as "lead ins" or something?
~Questions that are loaded, not really looking for an answer, but to get the jury to think a certain way about a person / topic?
(Iron, I know you know all that; I'm thinking of people who probably haven't considered this.)
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Mar 27 2008, 11:39 PM
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At first, Madonna was blaming Warners. Now she says it's just a matter of taste (American V. European).
At the very least, unlike the fans, Madonna did not blame a nutty conspiracy theory (see the "Lame Petition" thread) for lack of COAD radio play.
On Drowned Madonna
Original source: Madonna Talks Britney, Guy, Candy - Madonna interviewed by Yo on E! radio show.
Category: Radios.
From E! Online:
She also hazarded a guess as to why some of her more recent albums seemed to connect more with her overseas fan base than her U.S. one, chalking it up to the records’ British producers and the fact that "the vibe was more European."
"Now my copilots are American and it has more of an American feel."
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May 24 2008, 11:35 AM
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Let me explain why COAD flopped in the USA (if anyone else has other reasons, please chip in and add!):
True. I remember when I saw TRL once, the special guests where the Black Eyed Peas, and they had to play a game in which they had to guess from who the butt video still was from, and they had a still from Manny touching her butt on Hung Up, and Taboo (a member of BEP) said that the butt looked scary, and of course, he didn't recognize it.
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May 18 2012, 09:19 PM
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Her producer friend is blaming MDNA's failure on anything but Madonna. (Cross posted to MDNA thread)
From liberal site Huff Post
Madonna's 'MDNA' Failure: William Orbit Reveals How He Wishes Album Would Have Fared On Facebook - Posted: 05/18/2012 2:10 pm Updated: 05/18/2012 2:24 pm
Hopes that Madonna would re-claim her pop crown from Lady Gaga with "MDNA" were dashed when the album plunged on the charts shortly after its March release -- a victim of weak single choices and, some say, a lack of promotion on the Material Girl's part.
Now one high-profile producer is opening up about the experience on Facebook, saying he wishes "MDNA" would've turned out differently and blaming the album's failure on rush marketing and timing.
"[Madonna] was on form and better than ever with her singing and writing and musicality, and was having a great time," writes William Orbit, who previously collaborated with the pop star on her 1998 album "Ray of Light," which won four Grammy awards. "We had songs lined up that were breathtaking."
But then, from the sounds of it, things turned sour. After one fan comments on Orbit's page, noting that "most people are writing off" the album and accusing Madonna's record company Interscope of "gradually destroying" her career, the producer notes, "All I will say is that certain thoughts about it that I see expressed online by committed fans such as yourself, were blindingly obvious to me from the very get go, well before the release." He continues: "But you won't see me exactly jumping up and down with delight over the way that things have panned out...we were very pushed for time."
He doesn't mince words when it comes to working with Madonna herself, either, noting the "various pressing commitments that took up the artist's limited time, such as perfume ranges and teen fashion contests and other such endeavors which are beyond my own limited understanding of pop star agendas."
Claiming that he would "lie down in the mud if she didn't want to get her shoes messed up," he adds, "It's hard to be an effective knight when your hands are bound."
"The thing about having little appetite for riches and fame, and no great tower of expectations, you haven't got anything to be taken away," he observes. "And having always been an outsider, outside in the cold, It's always clear which way the wind is blowing."
For their part, Madonna's devoted gay fanbase has largely responded to "MDNA" with mixed reviews. Boy Culture blogger and Madonna authority Matthew Rettenmund called the album "arguably...her best effort since 'Ray of Light'" in his detailed review, while Kenneth In The 212 guest blogger Christopher Carozzo slammed Madge's "ridiculous lyrics" and use of "cold" electronic vocoder effects.
Carazzo then echoed the sentiments of many diehard fans by concluding, "It makes me ache for a new collaboration with Patrick Leonard or Stephen Bray," a nod to the producers of some of Madonna's biggest hits like "Like a Prayer" and "Into The Groove."
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May 28 2012, 09:46 AM
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Her producer friend is blaming MDNA's failure on anything but Madonna. (Cross posted to MDNA thread) From liberal site Huff Post Madonna's 'MDNA' Failure: William Orbit Reveals How He Wishes Album Would Have Fared On Facebook - Posted: 05/18/2012 2:10 pm Updated: 05/18/2012 2:24 pm
Hopes that Madonna would re-claim her pop crown from Lady Gaga with "MDNA" were dashed when the album plunged on the charts shortly after its March release -- a victim of weak single choices and, some say, a lack of promotion on the Material Girl's part.
Now one high-profile producer is opening up about the experience on Facebook, saying he wishes "MDNA" would've turned out differently and blaming the album's failure on rush marketing and timing.
"[Madonna] was on form and better than ever with her singing and writing and musicality, and was having a great time," writes William Orbit, who previously collaborated with the pop star on her 1998 album "Ray of Light," which won four Grammy awards. "We had songs lined up that were breathtaking."
But then, from the sounds of it, things turned sour. After one fan comments on Orbit's page, noting that "most people are writing off" the album and accusing Madonna's record company Interscope of "gradually destroying" her career, the producer notes, "All I will say is that certain thoughts about it that I see expressed online by committed fans such as yourself, were blindingly obvious to me from the very get go, well before the release." He continues: "But you won't see me exactly jumping up and down with delight over the way that things have panned out...we were very pushed for time."
He doesn't mince words when it comes to working with Madonna herself, either, noting the "various pressing commitments that took up the artist's limited time, such as perfume ranges and teen fashion contests and other such endeavors which are beyond my own limited understanding of pop star agendas."
Claiming that he would "lie down in the mud if she didn't want to get her shoes messed up," he adds, "It's hard to be an effective knight when your hands are bound."
"The thing about having little appetite for riches and fame, and no great tower of expectations, you haven't got anything to be taken away," he observes. "And having always been an outsider, outside in the cold, It's always clear which way the wind is blowing."
For their part, Madonna's devoted gay fanbase has largely responded to "MDNA" with mixed reviews. Boy Culture blogger and Madonna authority Matthew Rettenmund called the album "arguably...her best effort since 'Ray of Light'" in his detailed review, while Kenneth In The 212 guest blogger Christopher Carozzo slammed Madge's "ridiculous lyrics" and use of "cold" electronic vocoder effects.
Carazzo then echoed the sentiments of many diehard fans by concluding, "It makes me ache for a new collaboration with Patrick Leonard or Stephen Bray," a nod to the producers of some of Madonna's biggest hits like "Like a Prayer" and "Into The Groove."
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Reason for Madonna's flop detailed - THE sales disaster of Madonna's latest album has been partly blamed on another musician.
Her producer William Orbit has defended Madonna's MDNA, which was her first record for Interscope.
Madonna's MDNA does not contain hit single and not among best
The album debuted at number one in many countries, But it also achieved the largest second-week percentage sales drop for a number-one debuting album of the Nielsen SoundScan era in the US - an 88 per cent fall..
In a spirited debate with fans on his Facebook page, Orbit gave two fascinating insights into the album’s genesis.
He told the Madonna faithful that the best songs written for the 53-year-old pop icon’s album went to hip hop bad boy Chris Brown.
"We had songs lined up that were breathtaking, you’ll hear some of them on Chris Brown’s new album, Kreayshawn’s (INCREDIBLE) new album and my own, recently completed Strange Cargo album, Orbit, 55, said.
"Most of them, I believe, destined to become classics (let me know in a couple of months whether you concur with that)."
He admitted that they were strapped for time thanks to Madonna's commitments to her merchandising empire.
“We were very pushed for time due to … various pressing commitment that took up the artist’s limited time such as perfume ranges and teen fashion contests and other such endeavors. Which are beyond my own limited understanding of pop star agendas." Madonna's MDNA does not contain hit single and not among best- Cameron Adams
National Features March 28, 2012 7:30PM
SO far this is that rarest of things - a Madonna album arriving minus a global hit single.
The two doses of MDNA so far - Give Me All Your Luvin' and Girl Gone Wild - were overwhelmingly underwhelming.
Like the misguided R&B of Hard Candy, MDNA finds Madonna arriving at the tail-end of a trend - banging Euro house and electro-pop. Sure she's done that sound since Lady Gaga and Rihanna were zygotes, but the fact is there's nothing as good as Gaga's Bad Romance here.
There are good moments on MDNA, but it's not Madonna at the top of her game. Turn Up the Radio is yet another song about the power of music (she summed that up perfectly in Into the Groove back in 1985). She's at her best when she's being radio-unfriendly. Gang Bang showcases her obsession with death and murder, while producer William Orbit, who reinvented her career with Ray of Light, serves up a curious mix of bleeps and bullets.
Orbit is the saviour here - great ballads Masterpiece and Falling Free are the kind of classy songs those complaining about the pop world's most flexible 53-year-old should love.
Those looking for an insight into her split with Guy Ritchie can focus on I Don't Give A - "I tried to be your wife, diminished myself and I swallowed my light". This is balanced out by I F---ed Up ("You brought out the best in me, and somehow I destroyed the perfect dream") and Best Friend ("Every man that walks through that door will be compared to you forever more").
So it's another frustratingly mixed Madge bag. Confessions on a Dancefloor saw Madonna do this party-record genre so much better. This is more concessions to a dance floor.
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Related thread: Still blaming others for acting failures; and: blames others 4 her charity failing ---------------------------------- (This link was originally placed on the board by Whistleblower)
I thought it would be good to put a copy here to show she has a habit of blaming others or other factors whenever her albums don't do well. ----------------------------- Is Madonna Blaming Her Album Flop on "discrimination against women" - December 29, 2014
By Kaiser
A few weeks ago, part of Madonna’s new album leaked online. The songs were “stolen” and downloaded by some of the Madonna-loonies, but they really didn’t make a big impact. Like, some people were interested but most of the world just shrugged.
Madonna had a hissy fit about it and went WAY overboard complaining about the leaks, comparing it to rape and a “form of terrorism.” I theorized that she was actually upset about the fact that the song leaks barely had any impact anywhere, that most people didn’t even care.
Well, in any case, several days after those tracks leaked, Madonna released six songs of her new album, Rebel Heart. She released them on iTunes and Amazon, and again, the songs barely made an impact.
According to the Daily Mail, there was a “nosedive” in sales after the first week. The first week had Madonna in 13th place in sales, but now her big single “Unapologetic b***h” with Nicki Minaj is down to #188 on iTunes. The single “Living for Love” is #529 on Amazon.
So… yeah, it’s pretty bad.
Madonna looks about as musically relevant these days as Milli Vanilli.
In addition to all of that, one of the songs (“Two Steps Behind”) is allegedly about Lady Gaga. Which looks pretty bad, because even Gaga’s albums are selling better than Madge’s Rebel Heart. So Madge took to Instagram like the kidz to issue a statement:
There are those who want to shut me up but they cannot! We still live in a world that discriminates against women. Their are People that are so hateful. they want to create feuds between strong women that do not exist! I do not wish ill will towards any other female artist and i never have! The World is big enough for all of us! I will fight for my rights as an artist, a human and a woman till the end of my days! Because i am a ❤️#rebelheart and i walk in the footsteps of giants and i will not apologize Or defend my unpublished, unfinished, STOLEN work. If you don’t like who i am or what I have to say then why are you reading this? #unapologeticbitch. P.S. Do not post hateful words about other people on my page either. If you are my fan speak no evil! #livingforlove
[From Instagram]
… Which isn’t to say Madonna wouldn’t start a girl-on-girl beef if it helped her move some product. But for now, Gaga and Madonna are in similar places, which is to say… struggling with musical relevancy and a changing fanbase. Madonna thought her album release would be like Taylor Swift’s 1989, and it just wasn’t. Sigh… I do feel bad for Madge because she’s such a control freak and she genuinely didn’t want those tracks to leak when they did. That being said, it was probably an inside job because people were concerned about the awfulness of Rebel Heart. From The Daily Mail:
'I will fight for my rights': Madonna tweets angry missive after album's six new tracks plummet in sales on iTunes - By JASON CHESTER AND JENNIFER PEARSON FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 23:32 EST, 27 December 2014 | UPDATED: 23:59 EST, 27 December 2014
First, several demo tracks from her forthcoming album were leaked over the internet and then, the six songs she made available on iTunes took a nosedive in sales.
Madonna was in fighting mood as she took to social media to vent her outrage on Saturday over what she called 'a world that discriminates against women.'
The 56-year-old singer posted a lengthy tirade along with a close-up snap of her with a plug stopping her red lipsticked mouth and fixed to a gold link chain.
...Last week, Madonna released six new tracks from her forthcoming LP that were made available on iTunes, but they have suffered a dramatic dip in sales just one week later. Madonna's move was to counter-attack the illegal distribution of 13 unfinished and, one week later, 14 completed tracks from new album Rebel Heart, her first release in three years.
The early availability of six tracks from her 13th album initially soared to the top of the iTunes chart, but then they quickly plummeted down the top 100, with Nicki Minaj collaboration B**ch I’m Madonna hovering at number 188.
Meanwhile Living For Love, thought to be the album’s lead single, has fared worse on Amazon, where it languishes at number 529.
The poor sales have prompted concern ahead of Rebel Heart’s planned release next March, with the album currently at number 38 in iTunes pre-orders and a worrying 167 on Amazon.
After three decades of pop domination Madonna’s album sales have declined over recent years, with American Life (2003), Hard Candy (2008) and MDNA (2012) all failing to hit the critical and commercial highs of earlier releases.
It’s understood that the entertainer is failing to attract a new generation of fans, while the older generation are less interested in her newer material.
Following the album leak earlier this month an enraged Madonna took to Instagram, where she likened the incident to ‘terrorism.’
'This is artistic rape!!' she cried out in a post that has since been taken down.
'These are early leaked demo's half of which wont even make it on my album the other half have changed and evolved.
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