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Topic Started: Oct 10 2008, 08:43 PM (193 Views)
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Oct 10 2008, 08:43 PM
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This one page lists 31 suspects. That's a large number for this case, IMO.
I'd think only a small number would fit; how on earth do you reach 31?
I can't imagine even coming up with any number over, say, 4 or 5 suspects.
Jack the Ripper Suspects
EDIT. Okay, I'm watching History channel right now, they're doing a Ripper special, and they're saying the cops of that time frame (in White Chapel, where the murders happened) originally dragged in two hundred suspects!
Honestly - how many men could be pegged for a sick-o who mutilated prostitutes?
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May 6 2009, 12:15 AM
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Jack the Ripper 'was invented to win newspaper war'- By Daily Mail Reporter
01st May 2009
Jack the Ripper was a forgery invented by journalists to link a series of unrelated murders and sell newspapers, according to a new book.
The unsolved murders of five prostitutes in London's East End in 1888 have spawned innumerable theories over the identity of the 'real' Jack the Ripper - with candidates including artist Walter Sickert, Alice In Wonderland author Lewis Carroll and even Queen Victoria's grandson the Duke of Clarence.
But now historian Dr Andrew Cook claims to have blown all these theories out of the water by dismissing the notion of a brutal, murderous spree by one 'serial killer' altogether.
In his book Jack The Ripper: Case Closed, he argues that the famous letter bragging about the killings - signed 'Jack the Ripper' in the first-ever use of that name - was actually forged by journalists desperate to sell their newspaper.
Dr Cook says streetwalkers Mary Nichols, Catherine Eddowes, Mary Kelly, Elizabeth Stride and Annie Chapman were killed by different men, as were the six other Whitechapel victims often added to the Ripper's toll.
He takes his evidence from police and medical experts at the time who expressed doubts about the single killer theory even as it began to take hold on the public imagination.
The senior Whitechapel policeman at the time of the killings admitted in his retirement speech that he did not believe Mary Kelly was killed by 'Jack the Ripper', Dr Cook points out.
The assistant police surgeon who examined all five victims, Percy Clark, told the East London Observer in 1910: 'I think perhaps one man was responsible for three of them. I would not like to say he did the others.'
However, comments like this were a drop in an ocean as the myth of the lone rogue killer took hold of the Victorian imagination.
Dr Cook shows that the newly-launched Star newspaper was the first to claim that one man was behind three of the 1888 killings.
Even though most experts today agree that two of these - Emma Smith and Martha Tabram - were not carried out by the same man, the Star's prurient accounts of the on-going murders massively boosted its circulation.
The Star only unveiled the notorious letter from 'Jack the Ripper' in the midst of a drastic fall in sales after the exoneration of a bootmaker it had identified as a key suspect.
Handwriting expert Elaine Quigley, recruited by Dr Cook to examine the letter, has identified it as the work of Star journalist Frederick Best.
But the public was convinced, Dr Cook says - and the concept of a lone rogue killer on the loose in the East End backstreets may have helped the real culprits literally get away with murder.
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Nov 16 2009, 02:59 PM
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There was an interesting show on the other night called "Jack the Ripper in America."
A former police detective (Ed Norris) who worked on cold cases thinks that Jack the Ripper was James Kelly, an insane British guy who escaped from the nut house in Britain, came to the USA, and continued his killing spree here.
James Kelly info / timeline
The Ripper in America
Folks at the Casebook forum are discussing it*.
Pertains to Jack the Ripper case: Unlocking secrets of mental asylum
*Said one poster:- to sum up the [Jack the Ripper in America] show......
Kelly killed his wife and was committed to an asylum because of insanity.
escapes from the asylum just before the Whitechapel murders begin.
just after the Whitechapel murders, he disappears to America.
40 years later, he reappears and re-admits himself to the asylum. in his interviews, he states that he worked as an upholsterer in London and has "been on the warpath" ever since he left the asylum.
says that he went to New York City and even gives the name of the boat that took him to NYC and the alias "John Miller" that he used.
the detective verified that a boat by that name did indeed go from London to NYC in late 1890.
4 months after arriving in America, 2 JtR style killings/disembowelings take place in NYC and beforehand, the NY press gets a "Ripper letter" announcing his presence.
back in the asylum, he names the American cities that he has been to in his 40 years of freedom and the detective is able to find unsolved murders, some of them very much JtR style murders in all of those cities.
Said another:- The program made extensive use of James Kelly's Broadmoor file which has allegedly been locked away since 1927/9.
In it, he recounts his voyage to America (under the name James Miller) in Oct 1890, including ship name, which the investigator confirmed in UK maritime records, adding some validity to the Carrie Brown case (and another unknown at about the same time); then he corroborates cities in the document with newspaper files of Ripper style murders with similar organ dismemberment.
There is a photo of Kelly as an old man, which was age-enhanced and compared "favorably" with a sketch of the alleged Ripper from witnesses.
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