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Miley Cyrus and Madonna
Topic Started: Aug 27 2013, 04:24 PM (1,420 Views)
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Miley Cyrus beat Madonna on some musical chart a few years ago, highest number tour tickets sold or something. I remember posting about it. Anyway.

Madonna to Miley: How far we’ve fallen
By Joel Freimark

Freimark thinks that Cyrus' VMA stage antics were ten times worse than Madonna's 1984 Mtv version.

Maybe so, but as I've explained before, Madonna got progressively worse over the years.

Madonna did not start out her public music career being full-blown harlot right away. It was slowly progressive, a build up.

Madonna started out doing milder forms of sexual shock, but with each new album/ new song/ new video and persona swap, she upped the ante in sleaze. She had to, because with each controversy, the public grew desensitized.

It would be more accurate to maybe compare Madonna's early 1990s "Sex" book, or that sleazy black and white video from back then, (where she romped around in a hotel building - 'Justify My Love' video), to Cyrus' show last night or the night before, whenever it was.

Freimark concludes by saying,
  • This is by no means placing the two singers [Cyrus and Madonna] on the same musical plane, as Madonna has always been a musician first, and a performer second, where in the case of Miley Cyrus, you can easily see her VMA moment as the perfect audition tape for the next season of Intervention.
Wrong!

Madonna was always about the image/ controversy first and never cared about the music (which she usually got other people to write for her).
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Remember "Thanks, Obama!" I'd love to see a hater like us do a video of "Thanks, Madonna!" regarding all the damage she's done to our culture.

Miley is the latest manifestation of all that.
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MUSICIAN FIRST!! hahahahaha!!
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I'd say Miley's attention-getting ploys are more like Madonna's 1990 Justify My Love video than anything Madonna's ever done.

Quite frankly, I could care less about Miley, I watched the VMAs and then got bored. I'm not buying her record nor am I watching her video.

I wouldn't be surprised if two years from now Miley walked in the streets naked soliciting sex.

I'm not surprised this happened at the VMAs at all, for two reasons:

1). Miley herself has said Madonna is one of her idols, and that she wanted to craft her career after Madonna.
2). Miley also said herself that the VMA performance was going to be like Madonna or Britney Spears' shocking performances from the past!

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Miley Cyrus' Hot Body "Just Like Madonna," Says Pilates Instructor Mari Winsor


  • "Miley's body looked great at the VMA's. I'm so proud of her. I wasn't surprised at all by it—she is a risk taker. She was just like Madonna back in the Blond Ambition days!"


Ewww! Like oceanlover has said, Madonna had caterpillar eyebrows back then. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Theres nothing risky about Mileys performance. I think it only got controversy because Miley was a Disney star and Disney stars are expected to be clean and innocent so her changing up her image has drown lots of controversy and attention.

And I dont think Madonna was risky back then either. She just acted like a slut on stage.

And the above posts:

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This is by no means placing the two singers [Cyrus and Madonna] on the same musical plane, as Madonna has always been a musician first, and a performer second, where in the case of Miley Cyrus, you can easily see her VMA moment as the perfect audition tape for the next season of Intervention.


Madonna is not an artist or musician. Lol. And if it hadn't been for her videos and on stage performances she wouldnt have been popular or drawn attention/controversy to herself. Out of her songs, I mean songs others wrote for her, only Like A Virgin and Papa Dont Preach drew attention or controversy.
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Whoredonna was the one who inspired all these artists to act slutty on stage. If you have no talent, all you have to do is do something inappropiate to get attention, publicity, sales and be labeled as "iconic".  :bad:

And she's happy that she did all this. :rolleyes2:

Miley Cyrus happy with controversial MTV VMA performance: I’m like Madonna, I made history

  • Miley Cyrus has compared herself to Britney Spears and Madonna saying she ‘made history’ with her controversial MTV VMA performance.

    The 20-year-old isn’t worried about her critics because she has seen the shock factor work for the queen and princess of pop when they locked lips at the ceremony in 2003.

    ‘I don’t pay attention to the negative because I have seen this play out. How many times have we seen this play out in pop music?’ she said.

    ‘You know now… you know what’s happened. Madonna’s done it, Britney’s done it. Every VMA performance, anyone that performs…that’s what you are looking for.

    She also revealed that Blurred Lines hitmaker Robin Thicke, 36, knew exactly what he was in for when he agreed to duet with the former Disney star.

    You wanting to make history. Me and Robin the whole time said “You know you are about to make history right now?”‘

    Miley also added that she loved the fact that people were still talking about the raunchy show, which saw her grind up against Thicke and touch him seductively with a foam finger.

    ‘It is an amazing thing that I think now it is three days later and people are still talking about it,’ she gushed to MTV.

    And for all the critics, Cyrus simply says: ‘They’re over thinking it. You’re thinking more about it than when I did it. Like I didn’t even think about it because that is just me.’
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I'm so tired of performers wanting to make history, wanting to break records, & wanting to sell XX millions of whatever. Hasn't Madge always been proud of maintaining a blend of art & commerce?

Then again, maybe it's the audience's fault. If you can't create or appreciate other people creating beautiful significant things, there's always living vicariously though public figures who pull loads of money out of nothing.
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Miley May Gain From 'Fading Affect Bias' Like Madonna, Britney and Elvis
  • For those of you thinking that Miley Cyrus should feel chastened over negative reaction to her hip-thrusting, tongue-jutting performance at MTV's Video Music Awards August 25, I've got surprising news: You're more likely to change your mind about her antics than Miley is, thanks to a psychological phenomenon known as "fading affect bias."

    "Fading affect bias" describes the way negative emotions fade quicker from memory than positive emotions. Clay Routledge, an associate professor of psychology at North Dakota State University who studies nostalgia, says, "When people experience something that might be perceived as threatening, unpredictable or chaotic, in the immediate aftermath there's this cognitively conservative response: 'I don't like it, it's inappropriate and unacceptable,'" he says. "That seems to fade over time."

    As Breeanna Hare of CNN.com pointed out, Cyrus's performance fit into the show's tradition of "testing the boundaries of what culture deems 'decent' and reveling in youthful (and, yes, sometimes immature) freedom." And other commentators have acknowledged that performances that were initially considered scandalous are now thought of as iconic:
    Madonna revealing her underwear while rolling on the floor in a wedding dress as she sang "Like a Virgin" at the first VMAs in 1984; Britney Spears stripping down to a flesh-colored, thong-flaunting costume in 2000.

    According to some critics, the main problem was that Cyrus didn't match those star turns. Kyle Anderson of Entertainment Weekly felt the performance was "weirdly artless," while Shirley Halperin of The Hollywood Reporter cringed at the "crassness." Buzzfeed used photos to compare Miley unfavorably to Britney Spears in 2000, advising the new-generation Disney star, "Do not try to be the queen."

    But Madonna and Britney weren't universally acclaimed as VMA queens at the time. Last year, Madonna told Jay Leno that her manager confronted her in her dressing room after her '84 performance and said, "That's it, you've ruined your career." The March 4, 1985, issues of Newsweek and Time both ran features on Cyndi Lauper and Madonna, lauding Lauper as a sassy feminist and painting Madonna as a retro male fantasy. Newsweek called Madonna "conventional" and her MTV performance an "old-fashioned sex-siren act." Paul Grein, an editor at Billboard, told Time, "Cyndi Lauper will be around for a long time. Madonna will be out of the business in six months."

    As for Britney Spears's 2000 striptease, the Washington Post echoed Newsweek's been-there-done-that reaction to Madonna when it said Spears "tried hard to be provocative by bumping and grinding her way through a bit of the Rolling Stones' hoary 'Satisfaction'..." The New York Post -- saying Spears's "teen-diva look went from nymphette to nympho" -- interviewed one mom who said of Spears and Christina Aguilera, "Their real audience is 16 and under. They should dress appropriately for the audience that buys their records." Last week, The Parents Television Council asked, "How is this image of former child star Miley Cyrus appropriate for 14-year-olds?"

    Of course, the history of pop stars shocking television viewers (especially parents) predates MTV and the VMAs. On Sept. 16, 1956, the New York Times published Jack Gould's column on Elvis Presley's Ed Sullivan show performance under the title "Lack of Responsibility Is Shown by TV In Exploiting Teen-Agers." Gould -- who three months earlier had written Presley had "no discernible singing ability" -- now clucked that Elvis "injected movements of the tongue and indulged in wordless singing that were singularly distasteful."
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Miley Cyrus Is 'Doing It Her Way' -- Just Like Madonna
  • Yes, there are some critics who wish Miley Cyrus would quit all the twerking and the foam finger play, but Nelly isn't one of them. Actually, the veteran hitmaker is rooting for the controversial pop star.

    "I'm excited to see somebody throw some stuff right back in a lot of people's face," Nelly said when he sat with MTV News correspondent Sway Calloway on "RapFix Live" on Wednesday. "I think she's very smart because I think she's doin' it on purpose. Everybody's in an uproar and I'm like go 'head, play right into her hands."

    Nelly compares Miley's current trajectory to pop queen Madonna, who ruffled some feathers during her ascent, too.

    "She's young, why shouldn't she do it? Somebody else did it their way and wound up being one of the biggest stars on the planet, possibly one of the biggest females of all time in Madonna," he reasoned. "Don't nobody say nothin'. Now everybody wanna hold Madonna holidays."
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Miley Cyrus promises not to strip like Madonna and Kylie after 40
  • The 20-year-old gave hissing critics a deadline for her wicked ways after coming under increasing fire as her PR stunts get racier and racier.

    ‘Well, I heard when you turn 40 things start to go a little less sexual,’ Cyrus replied when she was asked how long her skimpies would be on show for during an appearance on The Today Show.

    ‘So probably around 40. Around that time. I heard that’s when people don’t have sex anymore so I guess maybe around then.’

    The Wrecking Ball singer also fired back at Sinead O’Connor, who publicly warned her she was being pimped out.

    ‘If you want to know my thoughts, I think she’s an incredible artist,’ said Cyrus, biting her tongue at last.

    ‘I think she’s an awesome songwriter and I was really inspired by her for my ‘Wrecking Ball’ video, which is what started the whole thing.

    ‘I don’t know how someone can start a fight with somebody that’s saying “Hey I really respect you. And I really love what you did.” “You know what? You suck and I don’t like you.” That was kind of crazy, but like I said, I’m a big fan of hers, so it doesn’t really matter.’
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Nelly Compares Miley Cyrus To Madonna
  • by Andres Tardio
    posted October 10, 2013 02:45:00 PM CDT | 31 comments

    Nelly defends Miley Cyrus and says she is scrutinized due to the ubiquity of social media.

    Nelly, who released his new album M.O. last week, recently addressed how he feels regarding Miley Cyrus, a singer who has been criticized for rapping and for twerking.

    "Miley's great," Nelly said in an interview with IN:DEMAND with Alex James, as per Perez Hilton. "She's a great talent. She's young and ambitious and wants to do it her way. When you're 20-years-old and you've been under a machine your whole life and been told what to do, when you get to a certain age you're like, 'I want to do it my way'…Whatever mistakes she makes, she's gonna have to deal with them. She understands that…I always ask, 'Who's she hurting?' She's just doing it her way. We've had a lot of people doing it their way."

    During the interview, Nelly also compared the singer to Madonna.

    "Madonna, she did it her way, and she became one of the greatest female entertainers of all time," Nelly said. "Madonna grew up in the age of no social media. She wasn't under the type of scrutiny that Miley's under. Yeah, Miley twerked on stage at 20, but Madonna kissed two girls on stage at 50. Come on, man. Leave her alone."

    In September, Mike WiLL Made It also defended the young actress-singer.
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  • "Madonna grew up in the age of no social media. She wasn't under the type of scrutiny that Miley's under.
We did not have social media in the 1980s, but lots of people listened to the radio and watched TV and read magazines and the daily paper for their entertainment, and Madonna was plastered on all that stuff all the time.
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Forgive me if I posted this "cyrus is a slut and madonna is an artist" tripe already! SEMI BARFY BUTT KISSING!

Sorry to be snarky but the writer looks like Heath Ledger as the Joker let loose at the MAC counter. :clown:

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I remember the release of Madonna’s ‘Erotica’ single when I was pre-teen in 1992. I seem to recall the video being showcased late at night (probably on Channel 4) and for obvious reasons then, never went mainstream. Now of course, I, and anyone with access to the internet, can watch it on YouTube without any warnings or restrictions. Age ratings and parental controls cannot touch young people’s access to the net, if the desire is there.

Back in 1992, knowing I shouldn’t, I watched the preview of ‘Erotica’ via a faked bedtime and my brother’s telly upstairs. Watching it back now, what is really interesting is how far removed from porn it is. Sexy and stylish, it explores gender roles, S&M, powerplay and religion in a song that is actually all about sex. It looks nothing like mainstream porn, as we all clearly know that to look, and is more like a film noir shot in slow motion in the KitKatClub. :gagme: Yet it got Madonna banned from the Vatican and certainly ticked the boxes of boundary-pushing pop.

The 'Erotica' video is entirely appropriate. :dunce: Not that this is key. It’s not ‘appropriate’ for me to douse myself in glitter each weekend but I do it anyway. I am all for people doing what they want to (so long as everyone consents).
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Forgive me if I posted this "cyrus is a slut and madonna is an artist" tripe already! SEMI BARFY BUTT KISSING!

Sorry to be snarky but the writer looks like Heath Ledger as the Joker let loose at the MAC counter. :clown:

----------[quoting Madonna fan]----------------
I remember the release of Madonna’s ‘Erotica’ single when I was pre-teen in 1992. I seem to recall the video being showcased late at night (probably on Channel 4) and for obvious reasons then, never went mainstream.

Now of course, I, and anyone with access to the internet, can watch it on YouTube without any warnings or restrictions. Age ratings and parental controls cannot touch young people’s access to the net, if the desire is there.

Back in 1992, knowing I shouldn’t, I watched the preview of ‘Erotica’ via a faked bedtime and my brother’s telly upstairs. Watching it back now, what is really interesting is how far removed from porn it is.

Sexy and stylish, it explores gender roles, S&M, powerplay and religion in a song that is actually all about sex.

It looks nothing like mainstream porn, as we all clearly know that to look, and is more like a film noir shot in slow motion in the KitKatClub. :gagme: Yet it got Madonna banned from the Vatican and certainly ticked the boxes of boundary-pushing pop.

The 'Erotica' video is entirely appropriate. :dunce: Not that this is key. It’s not ‘appropriate’ for me to douse myself in glitter each weekend but I do it anyway. I am all for people doing what they want to (so long as everyone consents).

what is really interesting is how far removed from porn it is. Sexy and stylish, it explores gender roles, S&M, powerplay and religion in a song that is actually all about sex. It looks nothing like mainstream porn, as we all clearly know that to look, and is more like a film noir shot in slow motion in the KitKatClub.
Madonna fan logic (or even by some idiotic feminist writers who are not necessarily Man-donna fans, but who support her):

When Madonna makes porn/sleaze, it's "high brow," "artistic expression," she's "in control of her career," a "savvy business woman," and it's "feministic / empowering."

When Miley Cyrus makes porn/sleaze, it's horrible, wrong, trite, unimaginative, unsexy, she's being controlled by the patriarchy

I have seen a few exceptions here and there (check the Cyrus thread in the other forum where I included a copy of commentary by a feminist who defended Cyrus in exactly the same terms that Madonna fans used to defend Madonna in the 1980s/ early 90s), but it seems more often than not, there is a double standard where Madonna gets a pass but Cyrus gets crucified for being tawdry.
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Miley is now more popular than Dildonna so her fans feel threat and try to do the same as they do with Gaga.
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@Amanda - that writer looks more like a typical gal who would still be infatuated with Da Kween: fat, mouthy, overly made up, refusing to own up to how nerdish she really is. I oughta know, since I still work & live among such pathetic heifers.
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The admin from another site found this article.

Why can'tthese "journalists" admit that Madonna is just a big whore who has no artistic integrity and the slutty things she does isn't to make a statement. :soapbox: :beatcomp:

Miley Cyrus prepares for another MTV awards show, but as shockers go, she's is no Madonna


  • Miley, again?

    Eleven Sundays after the twerk seen ’round the world, the unsinkable Miley Cyrus will appear on the same show as her original partner in crime, Robin Thicke, at another MTV event.

    This time, the two will perform — perhaps together, perhaps apart — at MTV’s EMAs (for Euro Music Awards) from Amsterdam, being broadcast Sunday at 7 p.m. on domestic MTV.

    Consider this yet another buzzy extension of the Miley brand, a marketing campaign in deep and abiding lip-lock with the media. We in the press seem just as reluctant to let her go as she is to step away from the limelight for even one second.

    This two-way love says a lot, not only about pop music of the moment but also about our attitudes about pop culture in general. While the commercial impact of Hurricane Cyrus has been widely noted, it hasn’t been acknowledged how Miley’s coup differs in crucial ways from similar stunts of the past.

    On impact, everyone drew the obvious comparison, paralleling Miley’s hijacking of the MTV Awards with Madonna’s
    seemingly similar move at the first VMA show, back in the primeval year of 1981.

    Elders will recall that night, with JFK-assassination-like clarity, when a young Madonna came grinding out in a white wedding dress as she rolled her way across the Radio City stage. I was there and so can report that the audience’s reaction mirrored the one after the first act of “Springtime for Hitler” in Mel Brooks’ “The Producers.”

    Jaws smacked hard enough against Radio City’s floor to lay that tony hall low. The newness of such a performance gave Madonna, and the show itself, genuine edge — something that’s been planed down to pseudo-shock through its double-hand-me-down status today. After all, Madonna’s playbook passed through Britney’s recycling in the ’90s before hitting Miley’s pale Xerox of today.

    But it’s not just the shock of the new that distinguished Madonna’s move, and her era, from this one. In her performance, Maddy was expressing a genuine anger about any number of issues, from society’s view of female sexuality to our attitudes about what’s taboo. She meant her performance not only as an attention-getting career-booster — though she certainly must have prayed it would be — but also as a pointed protest. For that reason, Madonna took great, if overstated, offense to anyone who accused her of calculation or media manipulation of any kind.

    Over the years, those two accusations have became her most hated. And there’s a reason for that, going beyond Madonna’s own desire to be seen as a sincere, ahem, artist. It’s also because the culture of her time had genuine contempt for such cheap stunts. Or at least for ones that didn’t serve a greater purpose.

    There’s a totally different attitude held by both Miley and the current public. In interview after interview, Miley has gleefully admitted she cooked the whole VMA thing up as nothing more than a fame-grabbing stunt, as her way to slam the final nail into the coffin of Hannah Montana. Tellingly, both the media and her fans have reacted to this by congratulating her for pulling this off so successfully.

    Think about the cynicism of this. Self-promotion is seen an end in itself, something no longer condescended to as a necessary strategy to expose one’s work but as a brilliant conceit. It’s part of a dramatic shift in what we now expect from our entertainment. In the current age of reality TV, we’re more excited by what we can condescend to than by what we admire. We revel in the greed of the “stars” who’ll do anything for attention, experiencing an odd relief that we no longer have to feel intimidated by their talent.

    Luckily, all hope is not lost on this issue. We may enjoy watching Miley the manipulator, but fans haven’t flocked to buy her album. Her disc had a tepid opening, with sales in the 200,000s. It’s not picking up any steam from there.

    Perhaps we should have seen it coming in the wake of the VMAs. After all, no one said they actually liked that performance. They just admitted they could’t stop talking about it. That’s likely to continue after this Sunday’s show. If it won’t necessarily help sustain a serious musical career for Miley, she still can be assured of this: She’ll have a life in the gossip columns forever.


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The buttkissing media pests really are working overtime to make sure none of us forget about the crazy hag. The celebs dressing up in her 80s look for Halloween & certain gossip show gals squealing praise about her 30 year history are two more examples.

As for Miley, let's see if her heart condition + the fast lane = not making it to 25 y.o..
Edited by Julia Griggs, Nov 8 2013, 05:03 PM.
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Miley Cyrus gets sexual with Madonna during country-themed ‘Unplugged’ performance
  • Cyrus and Madonna perform a mash-up of their songs ‘We Can’t Stop’ and ‘Don’t Tell Me’ for the special airing Wednesday night.

    Miley Cyrus says her song "We Can't Stop" is like an update of Madonna's 2000 hit song "Don't Tell Me" — so it only makes sense that the singer enlists the help of the pop icon in performing the two songs for her MTV "Unplugged" special.

    "A lot of what she represented for me is a lot of what I try to represent to girls now," Cyrus, 21 said.

    "Not being afraid of sexuality, and really being who you want to be and doing what you want to do … 'Don't Tell Me' is basically the same message as what I'm telling my fans in 'We Can't stop.'"

    After all, Madonna's career is littered with the same kinds of controversy that Cyrus has built her new reputation on — and then some.
    "I'm glad I can be on a stage with someone who isn't afraid of me or what I'm going to do," Cyrus said.

    The "Like A Virgin" legend, 55, dons a black cowgirl-inspired outfit and sticks her tongue out just like Cyrus — who wears a similar denim outfit — in promotional photos for their duet. The full "Unplugged" show airs Wednesday night on MTV.

    Of course, Cyrus doesn't shy away from shock value despite the usually toned-down format of "Unplugged."

    Although she proves her singing chops, the "Wrecking Ball" singer still works — or twerks — in a bit of her sexual antics with the Queen of Pop. She ends their set by slapping Madonna's rear, according to The Associated Press.
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EEK!! SHRIEK!!!!

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They both look like clowns.

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