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Official Trade Week / Draft Topic
Topic Started: Oct 1 2011, 09:48 AM (3,661 Views)
Mitch O
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Mike
Oct 16 2011, 10:24 AM
Maddison
Oct 16 2011, 08:02 AM
If we don't get a crumber who can go through the middle I'm going to blow my top. Does anyone else think that's a big gap in our team?
Not really. They're cream on the top, they don't win you premierships. Usually the last piece of the jigsaw puzzle, if you will.
I was wondering if you could explain yourself here.

How can a crumber who can run through the middle both "not win you premierships", but also be "the cream on top"? If we assume that 'the top' means a premiership side, then without the cream there is no premiership. Unless you mean that you can be a premiership side, but then win a second flag with a crumber?

I'm playing dumb here because I think these types are very important to a team overall. Opportunistic types, who flash in and out of games, flash nonetheless, and these players add the 'crazy subtle angles' to the otherwise uniform lines that constitute a football side. They are generally the crowd favourite (or most hated depending on who you support), and have shown to inject energy/momentum into teams.

I don't necessarily think Hill is this player, but it has been frustrating to see the Eagles seemingly ignore this idea entirely - moreso it seems than any other team in the comp.
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Mitch O
Oct 17 2011, 06:38 AM
Mike
Oct 16 2011, 10:24 AM
Maddison
Oct 16 2011, 08:02 AM
If we don't get a crumber who can go through the middle I'm going to blow my top. Does anyone else think that's a big gap in our team?
Not really. They're cream on the top, they don't win you premierships. Usually the last piece of the jigsaw puzzle, if you will.
I was wondering if you could explain yourself here.

How can a crumber who can run through the middle both "not win you premierships", but also be "the cream on top"? If we assume that 'the top' means a premiership side, then without the cream there is no premiership. Unless you mean that you can be a premiership side, but then win a second flag with a crumber?

I'm playing dumb here because I think these types are very important to a team overall. Opportunistic types, who flash in and out of games, flash nonetheless, and these players add the 'crazy subtle angles' to the otherwise uniform lines that constitute a football side. They are generally the crowd favourite (or most hated depending on who you support), and have shown to inject energy/momentum into teams.

I don't necessarily think Hill is this player, but it has been frustrating to see the Eagles seemingly ignore this idea entirely - moreso it seems than any other team in the comp.
Because I'm referring to someone who is just a crumber / goal sneak, that doesn't run through the middle. People think this is a new idea, but it's not. Here I go sounding old (well, I am ), but when I played you played in the middle and then forward or back pocket, depending on your creativity, I guess. I wasn't very creative. This was because you didn't rotate players off the ground every 30 seconds, so you rested in the FP or BP, but you had to have another string to your bow.

You can only carry a lairy forward pocket type if the team is good, because they have to cover for that player's lack of accountability. It seems the better the goal sneak, the more unaccountable they are. Just my old school thoughts coming through.

The Eagles have not ignored it, they already have one, who is lax defensively but has tightened up in that area a lot this year. LeCras.
Can you imagine having 2 of 6 in the forward line that aren't great at applying pressure? Especially in the era of the forward press?

Now, I watch Swans every week and there's a bloke, whose not a goal sneak but he's a very good goal kicker. 70 odd goals last year, 51 this year. He drives me nuts though, because he will point up the field to other players to chase his man, or put pressure on. He can do it though, because if a goal is in the offing he will run like someone's planted a size 12 boot fair up his clacker. :P
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Nelson

If we do accept 28, Port would have played this perfectly. It wouldnt surprise me if they always wer going to give us 28 in their plans but just played hardball to a) wait and see what else appeared over the week in regards to other trades just in case and b) to put us back far enough that we'd have to struggle and argue down to pick 28 so by the time we're there we're just happy to get what we're given.

The supporter in me wants to be angry but I know that its just a complete waste of energy. This is trade week after all principles and ego count for nothing, there is really no point cutting off your nose to spite your face.

something > nothing
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It is amusing how many rumours have been on this thread that are self-perpetuating but never reach any level of actualisation.


Single greatest post on BYH, ever
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Well with Ebert gone I'm hoping Sheppard takes the high HFF role, he's looked ok up forward for short periods and can kick a goal on the run.

He's twice as fast as Ebert and much better foot skills, hopefully follows in Nicoski's footsteps and with the pressure of last line defense taken away he really starts showing his skills further up the ground, no doubt he will add great defensive pressure chasing.
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Ebert deal is finally done.

West Coast give: Ebert + Pick 45
Port Adelaide give: Pick 28 + Pick 49

Ordinary deal, IMO
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i did use to run my own "AFL", id play 9 games a week til i was 16 ay....quarters would be until i needed a drink...id right all the match ups, commentate for myself clap trees after i kicked goals as if i did something right, had 2 fake teams Hobart and Subiaco drawn up...Hobarts players came from a bunch of locations and shit like warik, karinyup, gvelup, there chris judd version was adam rees who won 3 brownlows (ye i did my own brownow night on spreadsheets and shit lol), subis was andy simmonds who i got the name off when he was still playing cricket ay

as i got older had to do it in the night cos i didnt want niggers seing me do it, felt like a dumb cunt when people saw me talking to myself or commentating


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Nelson
Oct 17 2011, 07:11 AM
If we do accept 28, Port would have played this perfectly. It wouldnt surprise me if they always wer going to give us 28 in their plans but just played hardball to a) wait and see what else appeared over the week in regards to other trades just in case and b) to put us back far enough that we'd have to struggle and argue down to pick 28 so by the time we're there we're just happy to get what we're given.

The supporter in me wants to be angry but I know that its just a complete waste of energy. This is trade week after all principles and ego count for nothing, there is really no point cutting off your nose to spite your face.

something > nothing
Yep, that's exactly right CG, that's the pragmatist in me saying "well played Port". :) (Y)
Big Al
 

i did use to run my own "AFL", id play 9 games a week til i was 16 ay....quarters would be until i needed a drink...id right all the match ups, commentate for myself clap trees after i kicked goals as if i did something right, had 2 fake teams Hobart and Subiaco drawn up...Hobarts players came from a bunch of locations and shit like warik, karinyup, gvelup, there chris judd version was adam rees who won 3 brownlows (ye i did my own brownow night on spreadsheets and shit lol), subis was andy simmonds who i got the name off when he was still playing cricket ay

as i got older had to do it in the night cos i didnt want niggers seing me do it, felt like a dumb cunt when people saw me talking to myself or commentating


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Mitch O
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Mike
Oct 17 2011, 06:59 AM
Mitch O
Oct 17 2011, 06:38 AM
Mike
Oct 16 2011, 10:24 AM
Maddison
Oct 16 2011, 08:02 AM
If we don't get a crumber who can go through the middle I'm going to blow my top. Does anyone else think that's a big gap in our team?
Not really. They're cream on the top, they don't win you premierships. Usually the last piece of the jigsaw puzzle, if you will.
I was wondering if you could explain yourself here.

How can a crumber who can run through the middle both "not win you premierships", but also be "the cream on top"? If we assume that 'the top' means a premiership side, then without the cream there is no premiership. Unless you mean that you can be a premiership side, but then win a second flag with a crumber?

I'm playing dumb here because I think these types are very important to a team overall. Opportunistic types, who flash in and out of games, flash nonetheless, and these players add the 'crazy subtle angles' to the otherwise uniform lines that constitute a football side. They are generally the crowd favourite (or most hated depending on who you support), and have shown to inject energy/momentum into teams.

I don't necessarily think Hill is this player, but it has been frustrating to see the Eagles seemingly ignore this idea entirely - moreso it seems than any other team in the comp.
Because I'm referring to someone who is just a crumber / goal sneak, that doesn't run through the middle. People think this is a new idea, but it's not. Here I go sounding old (well, I am ), but when I played you played in the middle and then forward or back pocket, depending on your creativity, I guess. I wasn't very creative. This was because you didn't rotate players off the ground every 30 seconds, so you rested in the FP or BP, but you had to have another string to your bow.

You can only carry a lairy forward pocket type if the team is good, because they have to cover for that player's lack of accountability. It seems the better the goal sneak, the more unaccountable they are. Just my old school thoughts coming through.

The Eagles have not ignored it, they already have one, who is lax defensively but has tightened up in that area a lot this year. LeCras.
Can you imagine having 2 of 6 in the forward line that aren't great at applying pressure? Especially in the era of the forward press?

Now, I watch Swans every week and there's a bloke, whose not a goal sneak but he's a very good goal kicker. 70 odd goals last year, 51 this year. He drives me nuts though, because he will point up the field to other players to chase his man, or put pressure on. He can do it though, because if a goal is in the offing he will run like someone's planted a size 12 boot fair up his clacker. :P
I understand, but gurncentral's original post to which i'm referring to said 'if we don't get a crumber who can run through the middle i'll blow my load' (or something to that effect )

I wasn't referring to a lairy forward like LeCras, and I don't think anybody who calls for a crumber in our side has someone like that in mind. I think what we all want is someone who applies forward pressure by being very quick, elusive, good at winning loose balls (both off the ground and by dispossessing), and able to do create a goal out of anything (be it via assists or a direct goal).

Watching Krakeour and Garlett in 2011, and Ballantyne last year - you can see defenders shit themselves a little when they're near the ball. they will give away free kicks or make disposal errors because they will overcommit to preventing them from getting to it.

I dunno, maybe i have my crumb-coloured glasses on. But I don't think Lecca is a good counter example, especially since he was drafted before the period I'm referring to (2006 onwards). Nico + the press has helped, but when a disputed ball goes to ground in our F50, I still think 8 times out of 10 it will get taken out by the defense.
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Well the final day is here. So I guess we get Coniglio today. :)
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Brett
Oct 17 2011, 07:20 AM
Well with Ebert gone I'm hoping Sheppard takes the high HFF role, he's looked ok up forward for short periods and can kick a goal on the run.

He's twice as fast as Ebert and much better foot skills, hopefully follows in Nicoski's footsteps and with the pressure of last line defense taken away he really starts showing his skills further up the ground, no doubt he will add great defensive pressure chasing.
don't agree with that at all

Sheppard has classy footskills very good pace and ability to read play. Nico has none of these though before his ankle problems he did have some pace. this is why the nico move forward worked, he was simply a liability moving the ball from defense... In the forward line, he almost has no option but to hit the scoreboard with his raking boot and rarely has the trouble putting them through...his defensive efforts are also TOP quality, simply playing to his strengths.

honestly ideally shepp should have the play in front of him...why restrict his class to the first 50m of our attack..his the guy that should be transitioning the ball from the defensive to the offensive..his playing as a defender is an attempt to develop the opposite side of the game since the offensive side goes naturally to him..If we had not he would be a liability for our future because of the press oriented game weve got going now
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JustinGT
Oct 17 2011, 08:33 AM
Ebert deal is finally done.

West Coast give: Ebert + Pick 45
Port Adelaide give: Pick 28 + Pick 49

Ordinary deal, IMO
We've been shafted, but life goes on.
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