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Topic Started: Oct 8 2011, 07:01 AM (232 Views)
Tommo Locks

Adam C
Oct 9 2011, 08:02 PM
Brett
Oct 9 2011, 07:57 PM
Anton
Oct 9 2011, 07:54 PM
Tommo Locks
Oct 9 2011, 07:48 PM
Mitch O
Oct 9 2011, 07:47 PM
Anton
Oct 9 2011, 01:30 PM
Mitchell H
Oct 9 2011, 12:10 PM
Lol Priddis....
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His rubbish.....just a workman
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Self referential?

I mean you could dispute my comment, but it's accurate and some of you kiddies on here seem to struggle with facts ....

Priddis is a marginal player who our coaches are backing in ahead of a number of kids - let's hope it only costs us one guy, oddly a guy who pantsed him when they went head to head in the main pre-season infra club game, then got picked as a forward most of the year ... Perhaps because winning this year was more important than developing a better midfield in,say, 2013...
That last statement is dangerously reminiscent of the tanking principle - screw this year, we'll play the kids with 2013 in mind. If an older player is good enough, they should play. Winning now and possibly not winning later is better than not winning now and possibly winning later. And besides, Priddis is actually younger than Kerr, Glass, Embley, Nicoski, Cox etc.
Sure, making a decision that our current midfield isn't good enough to win a flag and we need to accelerate the development of players who may get us there is tanking

FFS....

Winning now with tradesman and finishing between 4th and, say 9th every year is acceptable for numerous clubs. I would have thought we prefer better than that. Priddis will be 27 when next season starts. We have clearly backed him in for another 80% of game time in our starting centre square. To the detriment of Ebert, Swift, Stevens, Masten ... guys who have received the bulk of their midfield time when Kerr (who is automatically in there) has been injured...

I'm fine with the fact that the coaches have made that sort of call, it certainly helped us win this year, but they need to be responsible for the consequences if it doesn't deliver a flag ...

I am still of the view that this midfield, as currently constructed, can't win a flag. Priddis is the issue I raise because he lacks versatility and because he can't play run with, so he is offensive in his role and he lacks cutting edge in that role and he is slow and I reckon we need a better player getting the bulk of minutes in that role. He has almost become our accidental "main man" by virtue of Judd, Cousins, Braun & Stinger all leaving and Kerr being injured. He was about the only one not in nappies who was a mid. So we built around him to some extent. Not his fault, probably not the coaches but it would be a bit like Richmond building around Tuck and playing Cotchin at Half-forward.... Then reaming Cotchin for being average in that role ...

My issue is not that he personally can't play footy, it's that he can't win us a flag or play his current role in a flag side and he can't play anywhere else...

Feel free to engage in much talk about surrounding him with outside players etc etc but the best midfields don't play to cover the weaknesses of their key offensive mids...
I'm actually pretty comfortable that the current midfield group can win us a flag. Of the centre square and wing combination that lined up at the first bounce of our first final this year, 4 of the 6 players were 21 or under (Naitanui, Shuey, Scooter and Gaff). I would expect all 4 of them to improve and 2 of them (Naitanui and Shuey) look on the road to being elite 'top 10 in the competition' type players.

There has been plenty of opportunity afforded to our young guns this season through the middle as the above shows ... if Ebert, Masten, Swift, Stevens etc aren't good enough just yet (and I have high hopes for Stevens in particular that he will be soon) then I am more than comfortable that a consistent high performer like Priddis remains in our starting midfield group. The B&F showing of Priddis not just this year but in the last 5 years (4th, 6th, 5th, 2nd, 2nd) demonstrate his ability to perform his role and I have no doubt that we could win a premiership in the next year or two with a midfield rotation of Kerr, Priddis, Shuey, Scooter, Masten and maybe one other (LeCras, Stevens?) as all bar Kerr and maybe Priddis would be expected to continue to improve of that group.
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Tommo Locks
Oct 9 2011, 08:11 PM
Adam C
Oct 9 2011, 08:02 PM
Brett
Oct 9 2011, 07:57 PM
Anton
Oct 9 2011, 07:54 PM
Tommo Locks
Oct 9 2011, 07:48 PM
Mitch O
Oct 9 2011, 07:47 PM
Anton
Oct 9 2011, 01:30 PM
Mitchell H
Oct 9 2011, 12:10 PM
Lol Priddis....
?
His rubbish.....just a workman
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Self referential?

I mean you could dispute my comment, but it's accurate and some of you kiddies on here seem to struggle with facts ....

Priddis is a marginal player who our coaches are backing in ahead of a number of kids - let's hope it only costs us one guy, oddly a guy who pantsed him when they went head to head in the main pre-season infra club game, then got picked as a forward most of the year ... Perhaps because winning this year was more important than developing a better midfield in,say, 2013...
That last statement is dangerously reminiscent of the tanking principle - screw this year, we'll play the kids with 2013 in mind. If an older player is good enough, they should play. Winning now and possibly not winning later is better than not winning now and possibly winning later. And besides, Priddis is actually younger than Kerr, Glass, Embley, Nicoski, Cox etc.
Sure, making a decision that our current midfield isn't good enough to win a flag and we need to accelerate the development of players who may get us there is tanking

FFS....

Winning now with tradesman and finishing between 4th and, say 9th every year is acceptable for numerous clubs. I would have thought we prefer better than that. Priddis will be 27 when next season starts. We have clearly backed him in for another 80% of game time in our starting centre square. To the detriment of Ebert, Swift, Stevens, Masten ... guys who have received the bulk of their midfield time when Kerr (who is automatically in there) has been injured...

I'm fine with the fact that the coaches have made that sort of call, it certainly helped us win this year, but they need to be responsible for the consequences if it doesn't deliver a flag ...

I am still of the view that this midfield, as currently constructed, can't win a flag. Priddis is the issue I raise because he lacks versatility and because he can't play run with, so he is offensive in his role and he lacks cutting edge in that role and he is slow and I reckon we need a better player getting the bulk of minutes in that role. He has almost become our accidental "main man" by virtue of Judd, Cousins, Braun & Stinger all leaving and Kerr being injured. He was about the only one not in nappies who was a mid. So we built around him to some extent. Not his fault, probably not the coaches but it would be a bit like Richmond building around Tuck and playing Cotchin at Half-forward.... Then reaming Cotchin for being average in that role ...

My issue is not that he personally can't play footy, it's that he can't win us a flag or play his current role in a flag side and he can't play anywhere else...

Feel free to engage in much talk about surrounding him with outside players etc etc but the best midfields don't play to cover the weaknesses of their key offensive mids...
I'm actually pretty comfortable that the current midfield group can win us a flag. Of the centre square and wing combination that lined up at the first bounce of our first final this year, 4 of the 6 players were 21 or under (Naitanui, Shuey, Scooter and Gaff). I would expect all 4 of them to improve and 2 of them (Naitanui and Shuey) look on the road to being elite 'top 10 in the competition' type players.

There has been plenty of opportunity afforded to our young guns this season through the middle as the above shows ... if Ebert, Masten, Swift, Stevens etc aren't good enough just yet (and I have high hopes for Stevens in particular that he will be soon) then I am more than comfortable that a consistent high performer like Priddis remains in our starting midfield group. The B&F showing of Priddis not just this year but in the last 5 years (4th, 6th, 5th, 2nd, 2nd) demonstrate his ability to perform his role and I have no doubt that we could win a premiership in the next year or two with a midfield rotation of Kerr, Priddis, Shuey, Scooter, Masten and maybe one other (LeCras, Stevens?) as all bar Kerr and maybe Priddis would be expected to continue to improve of that group.
Well, it is an opinion Tom, I'll give you that.

Your over rating of Priddis is consistent. At 27 he isn't improving and unless Kerr sustains his best game levels of this year and Shuey becomes genuinely elite then you are kidding yourself IMO....
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Adam C
Oct 9 2011, 08:19 PM
Tommo Locks
Oct 9 2011, 08:11 PM
Adam C
Oct 9 2011, 08:02 PM
Brett
Oct 9 2011, 07:57 PM
Anton
Oct 9 2011, 07:54 PM
Tommo Locks
Oct 9 2011, 07:48 PM
Mitch O
Oct 9 2011, 07:47 PM
Anton
Oct 9 2011, 01:30 PM
Mitchell H
Oct 9 2011, 12:10 PM
Lol Priddis....
?
His rubbish.....just a workman
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Self referential?

I mean you could dispute my comment, but it's accurate and some of you kiddies on here seem to struggle with facts ....

Priddis is a marginal player who our coaches are backing in ahead of a number of kids - let's hope it only costs us one guy, oddly a guy who pantsed him when they went head to head in the main pre-season infra club game, then got picked as a forward most of the year ... Perhaps because winning this year was more important than developing a better midfield in,say, 2013...
That last statement is dangerously reminiscent of the tanking principle - screw this year, we'll play the kids with 2013 in mind. If an older player is good enough, they should play. Winning now and possibly not winning later is better than not winning now and possibly winning later. And besides, Priddis is actually younger than Kerr, Glass, Embley, Nicoski, Cox etc.
Sure, making a decision that our current midfield isn't good enough to win a flag and we need to accelerate the development of players who may get us there is tanking

FFS....

Winning now with tradesman and finishing between 4th and, say 9th every year is acceptable for numerous clubs. I would have thought we prefer better than that. Priddis will be 27 when next season starts. We have clearly backed him in for another 80% of game time in our starting centre square. To the detriment of Ebert, Swift, Stevens, Masten ... guys who have received the bulk of their midfield time when Kerr (who is automatically in there) has been injured...

I'm fine with the fact that the coaches have made that sort of call, it certainly helped us win this year, but they need to be responsible for the consequences if it doesn't deliver a flag ...

I am still of the view that this midfield, as currently constructed, can't win a flag. Priddis is the issue I raise because he lacks versatility and because he can't play run with, so he is offensive in his role and he lacks cutting edge in that role and he is slow and I reckon we need a better player getting the bulk of minutes in that role. He has almost become our accidental "main man" by virtue of Judd, Cousins, Braun & Stinger all leaving and Kerr being injured. He was about the only one not in nappies who was a mid. So we built around him to some extent. Not his fault, probably not the coaches but it would be a bit like Richmond building around Tuck and playing Cotchin at Half-forward.... Then reaming Cotchin for being average in that role ...

My issue is not that he personally can't play footy, it's that he can't win us a flag or play his current role in a flag side and he can't play anywhere else...

Feel free to engage in much talk about surrounding him with outside players etc etc but the best midfields don't play to cover the weaknesses of their key offensive mids...
I'm actually pretty comfortable that the current midfield group can win us a flag. Of the centre square and wing combination that lined up at the first bounce of our first final this year, 4 of the 6 players were 21 or under (Naitanui, Shuey, Scooter and Gaff). I would expect all 4 of them to improve and 2 of them (Naitanui and Shuey) look on the road to being elite 'top 10 in the competition' type players.

There has been plenty of opportunity afforded to our young guns this season through the middle as the above shows ... if Ebert, Masten, Swift, Stevens etc aren't good enough just yet (and I have high hopes for Stevens in particular that he will be soon) then I am more than comfortable that a consistent high performer like Priddis remains in our starting midfield group. The B&F showing of Priddis not just this year but in the last 5 years (4th, 6th, 5th, 2nd, 2nd) demonstrate his ability to perform his role and I have no doubt that we could win a premiership in the next year or two with a midfield rotation of Kerr, Priddis, Shuey, Scooter, Masten and maybe one other (LeCras, Stevens?) as all bar Kerr and maybe Priddis would be expected to continue to improve of that group.
Well, it is an opinion Tom, I'll give you that.

Your over rating of Priddis is consistent. At 27 he isn't improving and unless Kerr sustains his best game levels of this year and Shuey becomes genuinely elite then you are kidding yourself IMO....
I don't think your opinion is shared by many, though.

Consistent top six finishes in our B&F (missing winning the last one by a countback), making the 40 man AA squad and leading our Brownlow votes for the past two years. Priddis has also made the top 50 lists of several pundits. If that doesn't mean people rate him, I don't know what does.

Kerr is undoubtedly better but there's no point being better if you can't get on the park. Shuey et al are still young and obviously may become consistently better than Priddis - they are not quite at that stage yet.

We may not win a flag with our current core group anyway because I think we have too many weaknesses to win one before Glass, Cox, Embley and Kerr retire, but Priddis is doing his job and doing it well imo. There are plenty of somewhat one-dimensional offensive mids that are doing quite well in the AFL - and plenty of recent premiership sides that have won without a superstar offensive mid.

But bah, it's all opinion. I'll respect yours but you keep hanging shit on Priddis in every thread that may have a tenuous connection to or give faint praise to Priddis.
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I'm not going to get into the Priddis debate but do you really believe this?
Who hasn't had a superstar offensive mid and won the premiership over the last 10 years?
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Adam..

Sydney 2005? Hawthorn 2008? Port Adelaide 2004?

But then again your definition of 'superstar offensive mid' might differ from mine.
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Oct 9 2011, 09:03 PM
Adam..

Sydney 2005? Hawthorn 2008? Port Adelaide 2004?

But then again your definition of 'superstar offensive mid' might differ from mine.
Port Adelaide - Had a decent midfield

Sydney - Goodes

Hawthorn - Hodge
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Oct 9 2011, 09:03 PM
Adam..

Sydney 2005? Hawthorn 2008? Port Adelaide 2004?

But then again your definition of 'superstar offensive mid' might differ from mine.
I think it might be the definition of "plenty" that we differ in.
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Oct 9 2011, 09:03 PM
Adam..

Sydney 2005? Hawthorn 2008? Port Adelaide 2004?

But then again your definition of 'superstar offensive mid' might differ from mine.
Port Adelaide - Had a decent midfield

Sydney - Goodes

Hawthorn - Hodge
Yep Goodes definitely for Sydney. Hodge played mainly off the half back flank in 2008 though and Mitchell wasn't quite to where he is now so maybe Hawthorn didn't have a superstar but had a lot of good midfielders. Port probably in the same boat as Hawthorn.
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Adam C
Oct 9 2011, 08:02 PM
Brett
Oct 9 2011, 07:57 PM
Anton
Oct 9 2011, 07:54 PM
Tommo Locks
Oct 9 2011, 07:48 PM
Mitch O
Oct 9 2011, 07:47 PM
Anton
Oct 9 2011, 01:30 PM
Mitchell H
Oct 9 2011, 12:10 PM
Lol Priddis....
?
His rubbish.....just a workman
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Self referential?

I mean you could dispute my comment, but it's accurate and some of you kiddies on here seem to struggle with facts ....

Priddis is a marginal player who our coaches are backing in ahead of a number of kids - let's hope it only costs us one guy, oddly a guy who pantsed him when they went head to head in the main pre-season infra club game, then got picked as a forward most of the year ... Perhaps because winning this year was more important than developing a better midfield in,say, 2013...
That last statement is dangerously reminiscent of the tanking principle - screw this year, we'll play the kids with 2013 in mind. If an older player is good enough, they should play. Winning now and possibly not winning later is better than not winning now and possibly winning later. And besides, Priddis is actually younger than Kerr, Glass, Embley, Nicoski, Cox etc.
Sure, making a decision that our current midfield isn't good enough to win a flag and we need to accelerate the development of players who may get us there is tanking

FFS....

Winning now with tradesman and finishing between 4th and, say 9th every year is acceptable for numerous clubs. I would have thought we prefer better than that. Priddis will be 27 when next season starts. We have clearly backed him in for another 80% of game time in our starting centre square. To the detriment of Ebert, Swift, Stevens, Masten ... guys who have received the bulk of their midfield time when Kerr (who is automatically in there) has been injured...

I'm fine with the fact that the coaches have made that sort of call, it certainly helped us win this year, but they need to be responsible for the consequences if it doesn't deliver a flag ...

I am still of the view that this midfield, as currently constructed, can't win a flag. Priddis is the issue I raise because he lacks versatility and because he can't play run with, so he is offensive in his role and he lacks cutting edge in that role and he is slow and I reckon we need a better player getting the bulk of minutes in that role. He has almost become our accidental "main man" by virtue of Judd, Cousins, Braun & Stinger all leaving and Kerr being injured. He was about the only one not in nappies who was a mid. So we built around him to some extent. Not his fault, probably not the coaches but it would be a bit like Richmond building around Tuck and playing Cotchin at Half-forward.... Then reaming Cotchin for being average in that role ...

My issue is not that he personally can't play footy, it's that he can't win us a flag or play his current role in a flag side and he can't play anywhere else...

Feel free to engage in much talk about surrounding him with outside players etc etc but the best midfields don't play to cover the weaknesses of their key offensive mids...
Priddis had the second most tackles in the league.
As for needing a "better player" in that role, an inside mids job is to get the ball out to the runners, some would call this a "clearance", Priddis is the 2nd in the comp for clearances.

People bash Priddis because hes not freakishly skilled, and he's not quick or evasive, but chances are in your 22 man side your not going to have 22 perfect players.

A strong midfield is composed of many different types, Priddis plays a specific role for our team, and he plays that role exceptionally.


You boys need a better bloody argument.
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