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Topic Started: Oct 8 2011, 07:01 AM (230 Views)
Brett
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Mitchell H
Oct 9 2011, 09:03 PM
Anton
Oct 9 2011, 09:03 PM
Adam..

Sydney 2005? Hawthorn 2008? Port Adelaide 2004?

But then again your definition of 'superstar offensive mid' might differ from mine.
Port Adelaide - Had a decent midfield

Sydney - Goodes

Hawthorn - Hodge
Goodes didn't play purely as an offensive mid and people would argue Kirk was more critical anyway. But point taken.

Port had a more varied but not a standout midfield, and Hodge played a quarterback role.

Point being, having a superstar offensive mid helps but not every West Coast Eagles premiership side will be blessed with Cousins, Judd and Kerr to win premierships.
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Maddison
Oct 9 2011, 09:11 PM
Adam C
Oct 9 2011, 08:02 PM
Brett
Oct 9 2011, 07:57 PM
Anton
Oct 9 2011, 07:54 PM
Tommo Locks
Oct 9 2011, 07:48 PM
Mitch O
Oct 9 2011, 07:47 PM
Anton
Oct 9 2011, 01:30 PM
Mitchell H
Oct 9 2011, 12:10 PM
Lol Priddis....
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His rubbish.....just a workman
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Self referential?

I mean you could dispute my comment, but it's accurate and some of you kiddies on here seem to struggle with facts ....

Priddis is a marginal player who our coaches are backing in ahead of a number of kids - let's hope it only costs us one guy, oddly a guy who pantsed him when they went head to head in the main pre-season infra club game, then got picked as a forward most of the year ... Perhaps because winning this year was more important than developing a better midfield in,say, 2013...
That last statement is dangerously reminiscent of the tanking principle - screw this year, we'll play the kids with 2013 in mind. If an older player is good enough, they should play. Winning now and possibly not winning later is better than not winning now and possibly winning later. And besides, Priddis is actually younger than Kerr, Glass, Embley, Nicoski, Cox etc.
Sure, making a decision that our current midfield isn't good enough to win a flag and we need to accelerate the development of players who may get us there is tanking

FFS....

Winning now with tradesman and finishing between 4th and, say 9th every year is acceptable for numerous clubs. I would have thought we prefer better than that. Priddis will be 27 when next season starts. We have clearly backed him in for another 80% of game time in our starting centre square. To the detriment of Ebert, Swift, Stevens, Masten ... guys who have received the bulk of their midfield time when Kerr (who is automatically in there) has been injured...

I'm fine with the fact that the coaches have made that sort of call, it certainly helped us win this year, but they need to be responsible for the consequences if it doesn't deliver a flag ...

I am still of the view that this midfield, as currently constructed, can't win a flag. Priddis is the issue I raise because he lacks versatility and because he can't play run with, so he is offensive in his role and he lacks cutting edge in that role and he is slow and I reckon we need a better player getting the bulk of minutes in that role. He has almost become our accidental "main man" by virtue of Judd, Cousins, Braun & Stinger all leaving and Kerr being injured. He was about the only one not in nappies who was a mid. So we built around him to some extent. Not his fault, probably not the coaches but it would be a bit like Richmond building around Tuck and playing Cotchin at Half-forward.... Then reaming Cotchin for being average in that role ...

My issue is not that he personally can't play footy, it's that he can't win us a flag or play his current role in a flag side and he can't play anywhere else...

Feel free to engage in much talk about surrounding him with outside players etc etc but the best midfields don't play to cover the weaknesses of their key offensive mids...
Priddis had the second most tackles in the league.
As for needing a "better player" in that role, an inside mids job is to get the ball out to the runners, some would call this a "clearance", Priddis is the 2nd in the comp for clearances.

People bash Priddis because hes not freakishly skilled, and he's not quick or evasive, but chances are in your 22 man side your not going to have 22 perfect players.

A strong midfield is composed of many different types, Priddis plays a specific role for our team, and he plays that role exceptionally.


You boys need a better bloody argument.
Our game style makes high tackle counts for a "turtle" type mid in congestion relatively easy. Priddis is not an elite tackle by any stretch and is diabolical when the ball gets out into space, a borderline traffic cone...
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Maddison
Oct 9 2011, 09:11 PM
Adam C
Oct 9 2011, 08:02 PM
Brett
Oct 9 2011, 07:57 PM
Anton
Oct 9 2011, 07:54 PM
Tommo Locks
Oct 9 2011, 07:48 PM
Mitch O
Oct 9 2011, 07:47 PM
Anton
Oct 9 2011, 01:30 PM
Mitchell H
Oct 9 2011, 12:10 PM
Lol Priddis....
?
His rubbish.....just a workman
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Self referential?

I mean you could dispute my comment, but it's accurate and some of you kiddies on here seem to struggle with facts ....

Priddis is a marginal player who our coaches are backing in ahead of a number of kids - let's hope it only costs us one guy, oddly a guy who pantsed him when they went head to head in the main pre-season infra club game, then got picked as a forward most of the year ... Perhaps because winning this year was more important than developing a better midfield in,say, 2013...
That last statement is dangerously reminiscent of the tanking principle - screw this year, we'll play the kids with 2013 in mind. If an older player is good enough, they should play. Winning now and possibly not winning later is better than not winning now and possibly winning later. And besides, Priddis is actually younger than Kerr, Glass, Embley, Nicoski, Cox etc.
Sure, making a decision that our current midfield isn't good enough to win a flag and we need to accelerate the development of players who may get us there is tanking

FFS....

Winning now with tradesman and finishing between 4th and, say 9th every year is acceptable for numerous clubs. I would have thought we prefer better than that. Priddis will be 27 when next season starts. We have clearly backed him in for another 80% of game time in our starting centre square. To the detriment of Ebert, Swift, Stevens, Masten ... guys who have received the bulk of their midfield time when Kerr (who is automatically in there) has been injured...

I'm fine with the fact that the coaches have made that sort of call, it certainly helped us win this year, but they need to be responsible for the consequences if it doesn't deliver a flag ...

I am still of the view that this midfield, as currently constructed, can't win a flag. Priddis is the issue I raise because he lacks versatility and because he can't play run with, so he is offensive in his role and he lacks cutting edge in that role and he is slow and I reckon we need a better player getting the bulk of minutes in that role. He has almost become our accidental "main man" by virtue of Judd, Cousins, Braun & Stinger all leaving and Kerr being injured. He was about the only one not in nappies who was a mid. So we built around him to some extent. Not his fault, probably not the coaches but it would be a bit like Richmond building around Tuck and playing Cotchin at Half-forward.... Then reaming Cotchin for being average in that role ...

My issue is not that he personally can't play footy, it's that he can't win us a flag or play his current role in a flag side and he can't play anywhere else...

Feel free to engage in much talk about surrounding him with outside players etc etc but the best midfields don't play to cover the weaknesses of their key offensive mids...
Priddis had the second most tackles in the league.
As for needing a "better player" in that role, an inside mids job is to get the ball out to the runners, some would call this a "clearance", Priddis is the 2nd in the comp for clearances.

People bash Priddis because hes not freakishly skilled, and he's not quick or evasive, but chances are in your 22 man side your not going to have 22 perfect players.

A strong midfield is composed of many different types, Priddis plays a specific role for our team, and he plays that role exceptionally.


You boys need a better bloody argument.
@ at As for needing a "better play" line.

Well the better mids are actually just good footballers, they can typically get it, use it and do some damage with it.

You seem to be from the Rids school of using stats to justify Matts role, a flawed argument ever since he was about 15... but regardless, he isn't close to the 2nd best clearance player in the comp because (a) he rarely sets anything up with his clearances; (b) he has zero vision and creativity and makes, at best, safe decisions with his disposal (c) his disposal given his lack of attempt to create is pretty poor ...

There are very few sides with players as one dimensional as Priddis who play as one of the 2 main mids in the side. Most "Priddis" type players play run with roles, which he doesn't/can't do ...
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Mitch O
Oct 9 2011, 09:14 PM
Maddison
Oct 9 2011, 09:11 PM
Adam C
Oct 9 2011, 08:02 PM
Brett
Oct 9 2011, 07:57 PM
Anton
Oct 9 2011, 07:54 PM
Tommo Locks
Oct 9 2011, 07:48 PM
Mitch O
Oct 9 2011, 07:47 PM
Anton
Oct 9 2011, 01:30 PM
Mitchell H
Oct 9 2011, 12:10 PM
Lol Priddis....
?
His rubbish.....just a workman
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Self referential?

I mean you could dispute my comment, but it's accurate and some of you kiddies on here seem to struggle with facts ....

Priddis is a marginal player who our coaches are backing in ahead of a number of kids - let's hope it only costs us one guy, oddly a guy who pantsed him when they went head to head in the main pre-season infra club game, then got picked as a forward most of the year ... Perhaps because winning this year was more important than developing a better midfield in,say, 2013...
That last statement is dangerously reminiscent of the tanking principle - screw this year, we'll play the kids with 2013 in mind. If an older player is good enough, they should play. Winning now and possibly not winning later is better than not winning now and possibly winning later. And besides, Priddis is actually younger than Kerr, Glass, Embley, Nicoski, Cox etc.
Sure, making a decision that our current midfield isn't good enough to win a flag and we need to accelerate the development of players who may get us there is tanking

FFS....

Winning now with tradesman and finishing between 4th and, say 9th every year is acceptable for numerous clubs. I would have thought we prefer better than that. Priddis will be 27 when next season starts. We have clearly backed him in for another 80% of game time in our starting centre square. To the detriment of Ebert, Swift, Stevens, Masten ... guys who have received the bulk of their midfield time when Kerr (who is automatically in there) has been injured...

I'm fine with the fact that the coaches have made that sort of call, it certainly helped us win this year, but they need to be responsible for the consequences if it doesn't deliver a flag ...

I am still of the view that this midfield, as currently constructed, can't win a flag. Priddis is the issue I raise because he lacks versatility and because he can't play run with, so he is offensive in his role and he lacks cutting edge in that role and he is slow and I reckon we need a better player getting the bulk of minutes in that role. He has almost become our accidental "main man" by virtue of Judd, Cousins, Braun & Stinger all leaving and Kerr being injured. He was about the only one not in nappies who was a mid. So we built around him to some extent. Not his fault, probably not the coaches but it would be a bit like Richmond building around Tuck and playing Cotchin at Half-forward.... Then reaming Cotchin for being average in that role ...

My issue is not that he personally can't play footy, it's that he can't win us a flag or play his current role in a flag side and he can't play anywhere else...

Feel free to engage in much talk about surrounding him with outside players etc etc but the best midfields don't play to cover the weaknesses of their key offensive mids...
Priddis had the second most tackles in the league.
As for needing a "better player" in that role, an inside mids job is to get the ball out to the runners, some would call this a "clearance", Priddis is the 2nd in the comp for clearances.

People bash Priddis because hes not freakishly skilled, and he's not quick or evasive, but chances are in your 22 man side your not going to have 22 perfect players.

A strong midfield is composed of many different types, Priddis plays a specific role for our team, and he plays that role exceptionally.


You boys need a better bloody argument.
@ at As for needing a "better play" line.

Well the better mids are actually just good footballers, they can typically get it, use it and do some damage with it.

You seem to be from the Rids school of using stats to justify Matts role, a flawed argument ever since he was about 15... but regardless, he isn't close to the 2nd best clearance player in the comp because (a) he rarely sets anything up with his clearances; (b) he has zero vision and creativity and makes, at best, safe decisions with his disposal (c) his disposal given his lack of attempt to create is pretty poor ...

There are very few sides with players as one dimensional as Priddis who play as one of the 2 main mids in the side. Most "Priddis" type players play run with roles, which he doesn't/can't do ...
Only fools fall back on words like "bash" anytime a player is criticised. He is far from perfect, and playing in arguably one of the 2 or 3 KEY roles in AFL football. We could do better. Which seems a noble aim of one is trying to win a flag.

Priddis' role is one of 2 mids that start in our centre square each week in offensive roles. He wouldn't start in such a role at Geelong, Collingwood, Hawthorn or Carlton ....

You have a low mark for "exceptional" and you aren't alone with most on here having a pretty poor grasp of the game and most non-WC fans simply victims of his "high work rate" and impressive stats ... people who have watched hime for 10+ years know that this is the same Matt Priddis that has done the same things for those 10+ years and in that time made no-one around him better, won little for his teams. He does a great job of finishing games out though and is arguably elite at stat padding late in games that are already decided - see Geelong Prelim Final this year ...

Our biggest weakness is in the midfield and has been for 4 years .... if Matt was really elite then that wouldn't be the case .... he is a role player who is being played in a "gun" position ....
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Adam is right guys & Maddy.

Priddis has done his job being are number one midfielder while are other younger mids matured. Now it's time for him to step aside, played one hundred games for the club which is a great achievement but he isn't the future.

Priddis was never the answer but a short stop and it's time for him to take a step back. We need to develop a midfield that can really threaten in a couple years time.
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You guys bash Priddis... And that's your opinion, fine. But who else is going to do the job that he does?

Masten? Hardly.
Ebert? Gone.
Swift? Give me a break.

There may be kids who you think could play the Priddis role but at the moment, they're not in our list.
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Oct 10 2011, 07:46 AM
You guys bash Priddis... And that's your opinion, fine. But who else is going to do the job that he does?

Masten? Hardly.
Ebert? Gone.
Swift? Give me a break.

There may be kids who you think could play the Priddis role but at the moment, they're not in our list.
Masten and Swift have never gotten a chance in the middle because of Priddis. How could you know how they'll do? Not that I agree with the arguments Mitch and Adam are making.
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