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Cap cuts and savings
Topic Started: Jan 29 2014, 01:20 PM (2,491 Views)
cedjss
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Here is link http://overthecap.com/nfl-cap-space2.php?Year=2014
First column is salary for 2014, second column is cap savings

Satele $5,125,000 $3,250,000
Toler $4,833,333 $4,166,666
Redding $4,391,688 $3,500,000
RJF $5,125,000 $3,250,000
Thomas $3,750,000 $3,000,000
Hasselback $3,750,000 $2,250,000
Butler $3,000,000 $2,500,000
K. Sheppard $1,389,000 $1,389,000

I say cut Satele, Toler, RJF, Hasselback, & Sheppard
cap savings of $15,055 plus the cap we have ( either $34 million to $39 million ) puts us right at 50 million
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Why would you cut RIF?
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errsay
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I'd definitely cut Satele, Shepherd and Toler. Iffy about Butler since he's making decent coin, but probably not. I'd keep RJF and Redding around for at least another year, unless cutting Redding would net Arthur Jones.
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If you cut Toler, you damn well better have someone just as good or better to move into his place.

Hasselbeck is fine, too. Andrew needs a Mark Ryipen in his ear.
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Moner Hot
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I thought Hasselbeck was planning on retiring after this past season. Did I imagine that??
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Don't think they give up on Toler yet. Think Satele might be the only one to go but they've been stubborn about playing him, so maybe not.
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errsay
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Jan 29 2014, 02:20 PM
If you cut Toler, you damn well better have someone just as good or better to move into his place.

Hasselbeck is fine, too. Andrew needs a Mark Ryipen in his ear.
How about getting the Invisible Man to replace Toler? There's guys on the open market and in round 2 that are at least his equal.
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...like...
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cedjss
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The big thing to me about Toler is his injury history
No matter how good, if he can not stay on field he is no good
We have to resign Davis, that is our top FA to sign



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Jan 29 2014, 02:24 PM
I thought Hasselbeck was planning on retiring after this past season. Did I imagine that??
I read or heard he is leaving either this year or next
Is Chandler Harnish ready to hold clip board?
Alot of money for back up
But if We needed a back up for 3 games , it would be nice to have Hassleback
Feel he is the best back up in NFL
Edited by cedjss, Jan 29 2014, 04:05 PM.
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The only person I would cut from your list is Satele. Everyone else's cap number is either going down or they are too new to our team to get rid of them before finding out what they can do. I can possibly see cutting Toler, but if he can stay healthy he is a very good corner.
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I'd have no problem with Satele and Sheppard. RJF didn't knock my socks off, but I'd keep him unless you can find his equal for less.

Toler played well when he played. The secondary was it's best with he and Davis at the corners and Butler at the slot. I would lose Gordy or Vaughn if any cap savings could be had from their releases.
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cedjss
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Both Gordy and Vaughn are FA this year
Sign Gordy and let Vaughn go
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MrCCCs
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Satele, Sheppard, and Toler. it isn't just this year with Toler, he's been hurt 3 out of the past 4 season? Maybe only 2 out of last 3. But we do have to replace him, unless people think Gordy is ready to start (which I'm not sure about).

RJF worth hanging on to for another season, maybe.

out of curiosity, what are Walden's numbers? I thought he signed a similar deal that would allow him to be cut if he didn't play up to his salary (which he didn't).
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Jan 30 2014, 02:54 AM
out of curiosity, what are Walden's numbers? I thought he signed a similar deal that would allow him to be cut if he didn't play up to his salary (which he didn't).
Walden signed a four-year deal with a $1M signing bonus and his first two years guaranteed ($3M in 2013 and $4M in 2014).

If the Colts cut him in 2014 it would cost $4,750,000 against the cap. That is actually $500,000 more than his cap number if he is kept. Needless to say, it doesn't make any sense to release him.

In 2015, he'll cost $4.5M against the cap. His salary isn't guaranteed at this point so, if the Colts let him go, he'll only hit for $500,000 against the 2015 salary cap (a $4M savings!).
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MrCCCs
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Good info. Thanks!

Walden wasn't bad, just not good enough for that kind of money. I didn't see him as a disruptive force as a pass rusher at all. I know he was signed to help against the run, but even in that he didn't stand out.

RJF was another player signed that helped out our defense, but wasn't an impact player. He's a good player to have next to a DT or NT that is a force, but we don't have that and RJF isn't a star player on his own.
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Coltny
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I'd cut Satale if they found a real replacement - not some goon like Mike "The Whiffer" McGlynn.

If Toler is completely healthy I'd bring him back, but only if he's physically sound. Sheppard is relatively cheap, but I'd cut him just because he's terrible.

As long as Luck is being abused by the inept OL, I'd keep Hasselbeck. The others on the list I'd keep.
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AustinColtsFan79
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RJF and Redding played well enough that they'll be back, even if they didn't blow anyone's socks off. Same with Butler, who I think is a solid nickel corner if you have 2 better corners ahead of him. I think there is no way they cut Hasselbeck either. After the 2-14 debacle, having a good insurance policy is important to this regime I think. And the tutoring for Luck is invaluable.

As for Toler, is he healthy isn't really a valid question. He was "healthy" last year and look how that worked out. He was good when he played, but the guy is frail. I'd take a flyer on him if he were cheap, but at 5 mil a season we can find someone who is equivalent talent wise and more reliable. We should draft a project guy to replace Vaughn too. Keep Gordy for cheap if we can. He seemed to be on the field more at the end of the season.

I thought Walden improved over the course of the year. I remember him making a couple plays during our playoff run. Overall though, I think pass rush is a big need for us. Maybe second for me, behind oline. We've got Mathis and then everyone else, and everyone else isn't even close to just Mathis right now.

I think Sheppard and Satele are the 2 I'd like to see go most. Satele has been disappointing, no other way around it. He's just not worth the price tag. And Hughes for Sheppard is looking like the worst deal Grigson has made to date, and I'd even include the Richardson trade in that. Hindsight is 20/20 and all of that.

Honestly though, I'm not sure how much cutting we do. We have a ton of cap space and a couple guys of our own to resign, like Davis. I wouldn't be surprised if they stay the course with all of these guys, disappointing as that may be to a lot of us. I think we desperately need to add a few impact guys though. We signed a ton of serviceable players last year, but not a single difference maker in the bunch. Someone who is a game changer. We need a couple of those guys, especially on defense.
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The thing with Redding is he has flashes of really good football. Also, he was with Pags in Baltimore and knows the defense well. I like him because he is a leader on and off the field and a strong voice in the locker room.
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errsay
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Absolutely the case, plus he had a very fine year. I believe he only has 1 more year left on his deal. You don't cut Redding and keep RJF. Arthur Jones would be an excellent fit and add.
If this team added an Arthur Jones, Jairus Byrd and a solid ILB...you'd see a solid defense every week. In regard to Toler, you may HAVE to cut him, in order to re-sign Vontae. Let's not forget that Davis' payday is here.
IndyColt45
Jan 29 2014, 03:19 PM
...like...
Like: Grimes, Talib, Verner, DRC, Tillman, Shields, Munnerlynn, Hall, Thurmond, Brown, Cook and Graham...to name a dozen. The draft class eligibles are also plentiful, but are subject to opinion...and unproven.
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You aren't getting most of those guys cheaper than Toler, and the ones that you would get at the same price are of the same talent level.
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Jan 30 2014, 02:59 PM
You aren't getting most of those guys cheaper than Toler, and the ones that you would get at the same price are of the same talent level.
But if they can stay on the field.....
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If you can predict injuries, you should stop posting here and sell your services to all teams.
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errsay
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You don't have to be Karnak to sense patterns and tendencies.
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Jan 30 2014, 02:59 PM
You aren't getting most of those guys cheaper than Toler, and the ones that you would get at the same price are of the same talent level.
We don't know this as fact quite yet. As I stated in another thread, re-signing Vontae is a much bigger prioity than retaining Toler, if that be the case. Plus you could cut Toler and draft a C.B. in round 2, spending that money on other needs as well. There are ways to attack this, but Grigson shouldn't feel hamstrung into believing that he's stuck with the Toler contract and no options available. Some folks think that Toler is "acceptable" because they're comparing him to his predecessors, while some think that he was a sort of cog in the secondary. To me, I insist that he was an average performer, who benefitted from overall team success at the time he was in there. I could be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.
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MrCCCs
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I predict Toler will get injured again next year.

Whose hiring?

We've just had a tendency to hang on to injured players, or draft/sign players with injury histories and see them get injured over and over again. Sometimes it can work out, but it just doesn't seem like it does for us very much. Toler seems like one of these players, and cutting him doesn't cost us anything, and there seems to be several qualified candidates that we could get for the same or a bit more that don't have an injury history like Toler does. I'm not as down on his actual play on the field as much as others, thought he was a good signing this off-season, but would rather take a chance on somebody else than spend $4 mill on Toler again.
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errsay
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Would anyone trade Powers for Toler? I know I wouldn't.
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Jan 30 2014, 09:03 AM
RJF was another player signed that helped out our defense, but wasn't an impact player. He's a good player to have next to a DT or NT that is a force, but we don't have that and RJF isn't a star player on his own.
Just about all of out starters could be described this way, except for Mathis and Davis. We got the guys that allow the studs to play like studs, just now we need to find the studs.
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JediColt
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Trading away half your starters in the off season is the kind of crap the Browns do. Yeah T Rich may look like crap now, but giving up on a guy after a year is the kind of stuff you do when you go 4-12 every year.

Sometimes it takes time for a guy to get it together.
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MrCCCs
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Satele is the only unanimous choice. That must mean he's staying.

I guess we should also throw in whether or not we resign Aubrayo Franklin again. If we don't, that's a lot of minutes to be made up by Chapman and Hughes. Chapman improved a lot towards the end of the year, but hopefully he'll take a second year leap, lose a little weight, and get faster and more disruptive. I really don't know about Hughes.

Maybe we should break the bank and finally sign the best NT and Center we can find, if there are any out there that are elite and available.
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Jan 30 2014, 10:45 PM
Satele is the only unanimous choice. That must mean he's staying.

I guess we should also throw in whether or not we resign Aubrayo Franklin again. If we don't, that's a lot of minutes to be made up by Chapman and Hughes. Chapman improved a lot towards the end of the year, but hopefully he'll take a second year leap, lose a little weight, and get faster and more disruptive. I really don't know about Hughes.

Maybe we should break the bank and finally sign the best NT and Center we can find, if there are any out there that are elite and available.
B.J Rahi will be out there
I read were he is like 25 years old
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Jan 30 2014, 10:45 PM
Satele is the only unanimous choice. That must mean he's staying.
Funny post of the week.

Winner.
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