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Colts showing interest in Decker?
Topic Started: Feb 27 2014, 11:13 AM (544 Views)
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Colts have interest in WR Eric Decker

Personally, I would love to have a guy like Decker helping relieve some pressure from Reggie, but not for WR1 money. Hopefully that's not what he's after, because I don't see THAT big a need for it. Hilton's been good for 2 years, we have 2 pass-catching TE's, we have Rogers/Brazill/Whalen. We can find Reggie's replacement this year or next year in the draft, without having to overspend. We do need OL help, as well as help on the D side of the ball.

It would be nice if they could make it work, but not at the expense of us remaining the same at OL and D-everywhere

Thoughts?
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errsay
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Word has it that Decker is indeed looking for #1 type deal, but will he find such a suitor? How about Raiders signing Decker and Drafting Watkins? Not bad. If he would accept #2 money, I'm sure Denver would be all in. Like the player, but we need more of a #1 and a guy like Moncrief would be a great fit in round 2. One guy I keep bringing up is Cotchery, who should be had for a reasonable price in comparison.

I would rather choose upgrades to defense in FA, rather than an expensive W.R. in F.A.
Much rather address the W.R. position in the draft, where there is said to be a solid group to choose from.
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Colts showed interest in Ellerbe, Kruger and Levitre last year too, but they bailed once the price got too salty. Stay disciplined and it will sort itself out.
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Right now I am just fine with the guys we have right now. I would rather see how they progress this season then go out and spend money on a WR. We have a lot of good potential there, let's see if they can reach that potential.
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AustinColtsFan79
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While I think I'm in the minority who think we are very mediocre/unproven at receiver right now, I don't want to break the bank on one in free agency. It would really depend what kind of number one receiver money we're talking about. A big part of the problem is that Decker is very unproven, especially as a number one guy. I can't lie though, he might be a pretty potent target when lined up opposite TY.
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Feb 27 2014, 02:05 PM
Colts showed interest in Ellerbe, Kruger and Levitre last year too, but they bailed once the price got too salty. Stay disciplined and it will sort itself out.
Yeah, and look at the crap they signed instead.
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errsay
Feb 27 2014, 01:32 PM
One guy I keep bringing up is Cotchery, who should be had for a reasonable price in comparison.
Sounds logical.
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Personally, im all in on Decker. I'd love to see him as a Colt. I'd hate to see us out bid on guys again this year. Don't get me wrong, I love what Grigs is doing and we all knew this was going to be an uphill grind trying to transition to the 3-4, but there were a lot of guys that just collected a check last year. I'd like to see us actually set our sights on a few targets and hit out mark.
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Is he a future no. 1? I don't know. I don't think so though. That's what we're looking for though is Reggie's replacement. If we weren't willing to sign Garcon to a big contract, I don't see Decker being worthy of one. They're about the same age. Garcon more than proved himself in DC this year on a bad team with a QB who struggled badly, maybe Decker could do the same. Decker's numbers have been inflated by Peyton's immense talent (not that that isn't true for a lot of guys) but he seems to drop a lot of balls and takes plays off.

Let's see what we have with Rogers and Brazill and maybe add a WR in the draft.
errsay
Feb 27 2014, 04:44 PM
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Feb 27 2014, 02:05 PM
Colts showed interest in Ellerbe, Kruger and Levitre last year too, but they bailed once the price got too salty. Stay disciplined and it will sort itself out.
Yeah, and look at the crap they signed instead.
Kruger signed for 5 years at $40M.
Ellerbe 5 years at $35M.
Levitre 6 years at $46.8M.

All bigger and much longer contracts than those the Colts offered.

And how happy are the teams that signed those guys? Levitre even admits he played poorly this year and he's a guy a bunch of Colt fans wanted:

http://espn.go.com/blog/tennessee-titans/post/_/id/3105/titans-guard-levitre-critical-of-his-play

Kruger had a whopping 4.5 sacks (down from 9 sacks in 2012). 1.5 more than Walden. Not exactly earning that $8M a year.

And Ellerbe went from one of the best LBs against the run in 2012 to one of the worst in 2013.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/12/06/3800048/dannell-ellerbe-finally-settling.html

So yes, let's keep bitching about the awful signings Grigson had and lament all of the "great free agents" he let get away last year.
Edited by Bent20, Feb 28 2014, 01:57 AM.
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Wasn't Avril on that short list too? I don't have stats in front of me, but I thought he did pretty well.

Also, at this rate, it'd be hard to rule Decker out as a #1 for me. Even as a Soph with Tebow at QB he still had 600 Yards and 8 TDs. Rookie year he didn't really play and with Peyton hes had 2300 yards and 24 TDs.... One could argue that he could stand just as much to gain from being around Reggie Wayne as he could Peyton. In 3 years, 3000 yards and 32 TDs are good enough numbers for me to want to kick the tires. ...... Not to mention he's 6'3".
Edited by GoHorse18, Feb 28 2014, 02:42 AM.
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IronPony1965
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A large receiver would be really cool to have. Im down with Decker
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We should have interest in ANYONE who can help this team. But if they're gonna break the bank, no thanks.

Besides, the urgency to find Wayne's replacement ended as soon as Hilton showed us what he has. It's NOT a priority. Depth is all we need. And if Grigs can find another project WR like Rogers or a cheap vet in FA, that should do the trick.
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Guys!!! With the money we have available this year just front load any deals so that they are cap friendly deals in future yrs and we are all good. Decker on a front loaded deal for #1 wr money is fine as long as after 2 yrs it looks more like #2 wr money.
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There is a HUGE group of FA WR's.

Since I'm really only looking for cheap depth or projects, Danario Alexander and Kenny Britt really stand out. Both only 25. Both 6'3"+. Both have something to prove, and have shown they have the talent to do that, and should be cheap.

I'd rather pay #3/#4 money on a guy who could be a #1/#2 WR. And I think that's the strategy Grigs is wanting to follow, too.
Edited by BlueKoolaid, Feb 28 2014, 10:16 AM.
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cedjss
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Love to have Decker, but if it hurts our chances of upgrading our offense line or defense than no.
We scored 45 points against a good Chief defense
Bring Wayne, Allen, and Ballard back we have even more play makers on offense
Spend our money on offense line and defense
Than next year draft, get a WR in 1st round
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Feb 28 2014, 05:48 AM
A large receiver would be really cool to have. Im down with Decker
Decker is 6'3"
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I much rather a guy like Cotchery who used to be a#1 with the Jets and shown he can still be productive. I thought the colts were suppose to be a run oriented Offense.
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Britt, cotchery, and alexander are just another dhb but worse. Britt is a locker room cancer. The other 2 showed they are no better than a 3rd wr on a good team. James jones would be a good choice if not decker. We got the money and we need to spend some anyways. Get the best we can and load up with options for luck. Front load contracts so we have money available later to keep our young guys. Without having a 1st rd pick and lots of money, we will be set to go get almost anyone we want.
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errsay
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Cotchery actually catches the ball and moves the chains.
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A front loaded contract would definitely help us in the future, but what about NOW.

We've still got a lot of holes to fill. Hamstringing ourselves by signing a #1/#2 WR, that we really don't need RIGHT NOW, doesn't make all that much sense.

I like Decker a lot, and wouldn't mind having him at all, but I like a lot of other players out there too. And after seeing Peyton with his 3 stud WR's, and how useless they were when it mattered most, I'd like to see if other good players at other positions can help us more.
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Feb 28 2014, 01:45 AM
Is he a future no. 1? I don't know. I don't think so though. That's what we're looking for though is Reggie's replacement. If we weren't willing to sign Garcon to a big contract, I don't see Decker being worthy of one. They're about the same age. Garcon more than proved himself in DC this year on a bad team with a QB who struggled badly, maybe Decker could do the same. Decker's numbers have been inflated by Peyton's immense talent (not that that isn't true for a lot of guys) but he seems to drop a lot of balls and takes plays off.

Let's see what we have with Rogers and Brazill and maybe add a WR in the draft.
errsay
Feb 27 2014, 04:44 PM
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Feb 27 2014, 02:05 PM
Colts showed interest in Ellerbe, Kruger and Levitre last year too, but they bailed once the price got too salty. Stay disciplined and it will sort itself out.
Yeah, and look at the crap they signed instead.
Kruger signed for 5 years at $40M.
Ellerbe 5 years at $35M.
Levitre 6 years at $46.8M.

All bigger and much longer contracts than those the Colts offered.

And how happy are the teams that signed those guys? Levitre even admits he played poorly this year and he's a guy a bunch of Colt fans wanted:

http://espn.go.com/blog/tennessee-titans/post/_/id/3105/titans-guard-levitre-critical-of-his-play

Kruger had a whopping 4.5 sacks (down from 9 sacks in 2012). 1.5 more than Walden. Not exactly earning that $8M a year.

And Ellerbe went from one of the best LBs against the run in 2012 to one of the worst in 2013.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/12/06/3800048/dannell-ellerbe-finally-settling.html

So yes, let's keep bitching about the awful signings Grigson had and lament all of the "great free agents" he let get away last year.
They all played for dog teams, and yeah I'd still take them over the likes of Walden, Landry and Cherilus...not to mention Toler and RJF. And it ain't just me that has reiterated these conclusions. Besides, I also wanted Grimes, Vasquez and Phillips in no particular order. Now think about this: Instead of signing that crew, we could have:

Signed: Kruger, Vasquez/Levitre and Grimes. Drafted: Hopkins in round 1.
2014: Re-signed Bethea, instead of keeping Landry around for another year at the very least. Re-sign Davis to a market value deal. Kick the tires on Spikes and Arthur Jones.

We still need help at G,C, DT, ILB and CB/S. If Grigson actually cut Toler, Landry and RJF in the next 2 weeks, I could see your point. But we all know he's gonna have a hard time cutting Satele. I'd still take my chances with my recommendations than what's gonna be in place, when all is said and done.
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If we are going to spend money on a player it needs to be at the C, DT, and/or MLB positions, not WR. Other than those positions just rely on players we already have, re-signing some of our FAs, and look for players with potential who might just need an opportunity to shine. No need to fill a position we already currently have filled, or very likely will have filled in the near future with players already on the team. Year three tends to be the breakout season for WRs, we have two promising WRs (one of whom is probably a Pro-Bowl talent) going into the third season this year. Let's see what they can do before we move on and find other options only for them to turn into really good or great WRs somewhere else while we are left with our overpaid FA WR.
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Draft is strong at WR as well.
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Alexander was dominant when healthy. Certainly not a number 3 receiver. The problem with him is that he is basically never healthy.

I think I'd rather see us draft someone with upside to develop than spend big money on a WR. If we're going to bring in a big name, I'd like it to be an olineman, a secondary guy, a pass rusher, or a linebacker. But I wouldn't be heartbroken if we signed Decker. There are worse signings we could make, assuming we don't drastically overpay for him. Although based on last years FA, that's a big assumption.
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Feb 28 2014, 01:55 PM
Draft is strong at WR as well.
Odell Beckham
Jarvis Landry
Allen Robinson
Jordan Matthews
Davante Adams
Donte Moncrief

One or more of these guys might very well be sitting there on the board at 59.

I have been philosophically opposed to spending that pick on a WR. However, if the Colts ended up with one of them, they will probably be getting a pretty good player.

I was already sold on Robinson and Matthews, but Jarvis Landry is actually starting to grow on me:

http://youtu.be/ZiJ0EwNclSM
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errsay
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I really like Moncrief and Landry.
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AustinColtsFan79
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Decker signs with the jets. 5 years for 36.25 with 15 million guaranteed.
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Less than the Garcon deal.
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Less than I thought he would get. I think the Colts will sign one of the guys out there though, and I'll be fine giving out that contract rather than Deckers I think.
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Decker wasn't really spectacular before Peyton. I imagine that he will be a giant bust with Smith throwing to him.
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