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Pat McAfee signed for 5 years 14 million
Topic Started: Mar 7 2014, 11:53 AM (453 Views)
CanadianColtsFan
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5 million guaranteed money. Good to have him back. With negotiations with other teams starting tomorrow, and free agency opening soon, I think you will see a couple Colts players resigned in the coming days.
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Cool. So that's done. Looking at about a 3 mil cap hit, right?

Now, offer Vinny 1 mil to stick around another year. If he accepts, cool. If not, use one of our last two picks on a kicker and bring in some UDFA's to compete. Should be good.
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errsay
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Disagree. AV 2/6 would be a good deal for both.
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Mar 7 2014, 11:53 AM
5 million guaranteed money. Good to have him back. With negotiations with other teams starting tomorrow, and free agency opening soon, I think you will see a couple Colts players resigned in the coming days.
Vontae not being one of them...
Edited by errsay, Mar 7 2014, 01:30 PM.
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Mar 7 2014, 01:29 PM
Disagree. AV 2/6 would be a good deal for both.
I don't know. Locking up 6+ mil of our remaining cap (35.5 before the Pat signing) in our two kickers seems like a lot. Was hoping to lock them both up for around 4.

I think Vinny will stay another year for cheaper. Maybe somewhere in-between at around 2... (I think he'd definitely stay for 2 mil) I can live with that. Dude is pretty awesome. But I could also see Grigs being prudent here. Especially after just signing Pat long-term.
Edited by BlueKoolaid, Mar 7 2014, 01:45 PM.
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errsay
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Kickers are like closers in Baseball. You don't fully appreciate them until their replacements cost you games. NFL real games ain't Madden.
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Vinatieri isn't going to take a pay cut. He might agree to not getting a raise (which he probably deserves after last year), but he ain't going to agree to a pay cut. He has no reason to do it. Somebody out there is going to give him 3-4 million per season for a year or two.
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MrCCCs
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Punters aren't closers so much. I love having Pat on the team, but that's a lot for a punter. Of course, he is also our backup kicker, holder, kickoff guy, so when you combine all those things I can see the salary.

I wonder if Pat will ever get accurate enough with kicks to do both jobs for us?
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errsay
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You got that right, especially in lieu of the proposed PAT enhancement.
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Mar 7 2014, 01:50 PM
Vinatieri isn't going to take a pay cut. He might agree to not getting a raise (which he probably deserves after last year), but he ain't going to agree to a pay cut. He has no reason to do it. Somebody out there is going to give him 3-4 million per season for a year or two.

MrCCCs
Mar 7 2014, 01:54 PM
Punters aren't closers so much. I love having Pat on the team, but that's a lot for a punter. Of course, he is also our backup kicker, holder, kickoff guy, so when you combine all those things I can see the salary.

I wonder if Pat will ever get accurate enough with kicks to do both jobs for us?
I was alluding to Vinny...Mac's deal actually places him around #8 amongst punters. Don't know if I'd trust him with handling BOTH duties just yet.
Edited by errsay, Mar 7 2014, 01:58 PM.
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The PAT change actually HURTS Vinny, though, IMO. How is he gonna hold up when he's gotta kick it 40+ yards every time he goes out there, and actually gets pressured on those 40+ yard PAT's?

The success of recent late round and UDFA kickers over the past few years doesn't help his case all that much, either.

He's 41 and maybe only has 2 years left in him. Why invest 6 million dollars on him for 2 years when you can get a young guy for 4-5 years, that's only gonna cost you maybe 3 million, who is just as capable?

I love Vinny, and have witnessed a couple of his game winning FG's first hand. (Not just on Madden.) That said, age and money and the success of new kickers are not on his side right now...

Again, he's 41. Don't think he's in any hurry to take off, with his family, for another team that might only pay him 1 mil more than we will. If he ain't happy with a 1-2 mil deal, and doesn't understand the situation the team is in and how we need to focus on the future, that's on him not us.
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Good grief. He's 41, not 81. Situation the team is in? They're 35M under the cap. You can't just ASSUME that any schmo is gonna come in and be successful at what he's made a HOF career out of doing. Kickers are just about the most transient players in the game. My point about the possible PAT changes reflect the need for ACCURACY more than ever from that proposed distance. If it was all about DISTANCE, we could let Mac handle both. But thy're different animals.
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Sorry if the whole "41 is old" thing stings, Chip. :)

He ain't gonna be nearly as accurate though, no matter what his age, when he's actually dealing with pressure on those 40+ yard PAT's. Nobody is.

If kickers are the most transient players, don't you think that has to do with the fact there is only one roster spot for them on 32 teams, with many more fighting for a job every year and vets asking for 5-6 times more than what their competition is getting?

And the situation is: We need to build a monster and fill holes with what resources (and few draft picks) we have and invest smartly in the future of this team. I don't want a Vinatieri contract to hamper us any more than it has to. Take 1-2 mil for one more year and be happy you still have a chance to break some records and don't have to move.
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41 is prime, dude. He's gonna be more accurate than most. History says so. Kickers are "transient" because they're also inconsistent from year to year, sans the reliable ones. He ain't taking a huge discount, like Bennet likes to say: "This ain't Costco or Walmart" to appease the fanbase or ownership. I'd be shocked if he did. We could have easily let Mac walk and drafted a punter, which I think would have been the more prudent move. If AV needs to move on to get his perceived coin, I'm sure he will, and I wouldn't blame him. I think you're focusing on the wrong guy here.
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You're probably right.

You know I expected both to be re-signed already. Just breaking down these contracts and the cap space... I wanna hold on to all the money we can to address the other positions...
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errsay
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So do I, but kickers are people too.
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Funny. I always thought Vinny was a machine...
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MrCCCs
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It would be one thing if Vinny showed sign of losing his distance on kicks, but I haven't seen it. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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errsay
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Graham Gano just signed a 4/12.4M deal. AV should sign for half that?
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Mar 7 2014, 01:54 PM
Punters aren't closers so much. I love having Pat on the team, but that's a lot for a punter. Of course, he is also our backup kicker, holder, kickoff guy, so when you combine all those things I can see the salary.

I wonder if Pat will ever get accurate enough with kicks to do both jobs for us?
Don't forget to factor in that Pat is also a pretty good free safety on the special teams. He isn't perfect but he is pretty darn good at being able to cover up some of the gaffes that are made on special teams. IMO that is a somewhat valuable commodity as well in evaluating what he brings to the table.
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errsay
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Fair point. I also think that his persona is well received in the Indianapolis area, and Irsay isn't unaware of that.
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I haven't always been Pat's biggest fan, but that seems like a very reasonable deal.
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errsay
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He'll be averaging 100K less than the tender he signed last year. Plus, you may someday get thye added bonus of PK duties.
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This is a good signing...
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Mcafee's cap figures have finally been posted and it's another great contract for Grigson. Base salary for this year is guaranteed and only a $1 million signing bonus means after this year, the Colts could let him go for $800,000 next year, $600,000 in 2016, and so on until the contract expires. It is guaranteed $1.5 million for injury but this is a heavily front-loaded contract.

Once again, Grigson does the right thing by keeping the cap open for the future. I love this!
Edited by St. Vitus Dance, Mar 11 2014, 02:36 PM.
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