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Alex Mack still a possibility
Topic Started: Mar 12 2014, 06:13 PM (1,346 Views)
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NFL.com says the Colts and Ravens are two of the teams in contact with Mack's agent. Personally, if it's a contract Cleveland can't match, I think I'd rather we stay away.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000333463/article/alex-mack-of-browns-draws-interest-from-colts-ravens
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cedjss
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Sure would like to sign him
Do not want to go with a rookie being our center.
Holmes might start but will he be ready
Edited by cedjss, Mar 12 2014, 06:22 PM.
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cedjss
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The Browns still have 38 million and that includes Mack at $10 million
They could pay Mack 20 million and still have $28 million left
Edited by cedjss, Mar 12 2014, 06:25 PM.
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It isn't about making a contract so crazy the Browns can't match. The browns would have put an exclusive tag on him if they didn't want him to get away. I bet they are fine letting him leave if someone wants to give him a big deal. C is not a prime spot to invest tons of money in.
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Mar 12 2014, 06:41 PM
It isn't about making a contract so crazy the Browns can't match. The browns would have put an exclusive tag on him if they didn't want him to get away. I bet they are fine letting him leave if someone wants to give him a big deal. C is not a prime spot to invest tons of money in.
I guess it all boils down to the definition of tons of money, If the team is going to overspend on one position this free agent period, for me it would be Center. Luck needs a truly solid guy directly in front of him. He will be a much better QB if they can shore up the interior of the O-line and it starts with having a quality Center.
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Personally, I would rather upgrade at C on a deal that costs less. Like Goodwin or De Le Puenta. Then you can sign a RG too who costs less. Then you have your new C, new RG, Holmes and Thornton to battle it out for 2 spots.

Then you still have money left for a DB, WR or pass rusher.
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cedjss
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I bet If the Colts offer Mack, the browns will tell Colts we will not match if we get a draft choice
Colts Authority had a good break down on Mack
He is far and away the best center in NFL
Not just his psychical talents, but his mental part as well
I hope we get him
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I have been saying since the end of the season that we need Alex Mack. This guy is just incredible. He does not get hurt and is very smart. He once had his appendix out the Monday after a game and started the next game. It was the bye week, but still pretty impressive. Mack would improve our entire line. This is one I would be willing to "over" pay on. He is that good!

I wonder if Mack was the target when they let Satele go?
Edited by Rev. Colt, Mar 12 2014, 07:24 PM.
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Mar 12 2014, 07:05 PM
I bet If the Colts offer Mack, the browns will tell Colts we will not match if we get a draft choice
Maybe they can offer to give up their first round pick to let him go? :cheers:
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Mar 12 2014, 06:14 PM

Holmes might start but will he be ready
From what I saw last year, the answer is 'no'. He'd have to make a tremendous leap to be ready. I've more confidence in Thornton at RG than Holmes at center.

But if we're talking 10mill per year, for a center, then I'd have to pass. But i'd love to have a quality center all the same.
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If did sign Mack, I have to think they'd be more comfortable starting Thornton at guard. He'd be our only real weakness and is still developing.
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Mar 12 2014, 08:07 PM
cedjss
Mar 12 2014, 06:14 PM

Holmes might start but will he be ready
From what I saw last year, the answer is 'no'. He'd have to make a tremendous leap to be ready. I've more confidence in Thornton at RG than Holmes at center.

But if we're talking 10mill per year, for a center, then I'd have to pass. But i'd love to have a quality center all the same.
I think the reality is that Mack would likely cost approx 8 mil a year on a long term deal, He would also have to have a pretty good chunk of guaranteed money thrown in as well. Kalil got 28 million guaranteed from the Panthers so it would likely exceed that. A lot of coin no doubt, But I do put a high value on having a stud at Center. Would I do it, Yup.
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I would be all for it. How long have we tried to get mid to low tier guys to perform well on the Oline? Its always been a subpar line. Im tired of seeing Luck get rushed and rocked every game.

If you want a top line, you have to pay top dollar. If it were me, i would definitely do it.
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Phil Costa formerly of the Cowgirls, due for a visit today.
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Mar 13 2014, 12:56 PM
Phil Costa formerly of the Cowgirls, due for a visit today.
Not that I have anything against him, but did he lose his job in Dallas? Wasn't he a starter at one time - I'm trying to remember.
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Yes and Yes...
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Don't give up the dream yet just because Costa is visiting...
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2014/03/13/pro-bowl-c-mack-wants-to-talk-to-colts/6378077/

"Anytime a player has a chance to talk with a team with a proven record like the Colts, (with) a quarterback and other weapons of the caliber Indy has, it certainly catches your attention," Mack said.
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"I'm willing to be patient with the process," he said.
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Heck yes , if we can not get Mack this year let get him next year
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Costa is crap and signing him would conjure up images of Satele. Evan Dietrich-Smith had interest from the Bucs, but has not signed with them. He's still out there, while Rodgers is pining for him. We HAVE TO sign Smith or Mack to get this thing going on the right trajectory. My prediction is we sign Mack and Nicks...
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Mack and Nicks would be fantastic.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/14/alex-mack-plans-visits-has-none-scheduled/

“We do anticipate Alex making visits — but he’s not in any hurry to do so either,” Younger said, via the Cleveland Plain Dealer.
Mack has until late July to sign with another club and the transition tag would guarantee him $10.039 million in 2014 if he signs that tender. One team that has reportedly expressed interest is the Colts, who signed Phil Costa on Thursday. Costa’s deal wouldn’t appear to preclude a move on Mack should the Colts want to move in that direction, but, for now, it’s still a waiting game for Mack.


There's every chance the Colts don't land Mack, but we might not know for quite a while, apparently. So I'm putting it in my 'gray box' until we hear something solid.
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I'll keep my fingers crossed. I guess the fact that Costa can play guard means we could still sign Mack if we can get him out of Cleveland and either move Costa to guard or have him back up both positions. I just feel like it's a long shot.
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I think if Mack goes anywhere it will be here. I do not see him signing a deal with another team that is not us or Cleveland. I also do not think it will be late July until a decision is made. If he really wants out of Cleveland, he will need to decide sooner rather than later because teams will have less cap space as time moves forward especially after the draft. If he is not signed by April 1, I predict he will remain a Brown. That is my gut feeling. If I was Grigson I would send Luck, TRich, Chud, and Pagano to wherever he is at and spend a day or two with him. There is tremendous upside to coming to Indy, and Mack knows it.
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The catch is money, not the city. He would relocate to Indy in a heartbeat. Problem is structuring a deal that the Browns wouldn't match. i.e. poison pill inclusion.
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Mar 14 2014, 06:53 PM
The catch is money, not the city. He would relocate to Indy in a heartbeat. Problem is structuring a deal that the Browns wouldn't match. i.e. poison pill inclusion.
Like the Wil Wolford deal a few years ago. Doubt they could afford same verbiage as was in Wolford's deal but it would have to be something that the Browns couldn't handle. I don't know what that would be that the Colts could afford any more than the Browns.
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Mar 14 2014, 07:36 PM
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Mar 14 2014, 06:53 PM
The catch is money, not the city. He would relocate to Indy in a heartbeat. Problem is structuring a deal that the Browns wouldn't match. i.e. poison pill inclusion.
Like the Wil Wolford deal a few years ago. Doubt they could afford same verbiage as was in Wolford's deal but it would have to be something that the Browns couldn't handle. I don't know what that would be that the Colts could afford any more than the Browns.
The Wolford deal in 1993 guaranteed that he would be the highest paid offensive player on his team, which the Bills wouldn't/couldn't do because Jim Kelly was making coin. Brilliant move by Irsay.

That type of loophole is obviously closed now, but Mack's agent seems pretty confident he can come up with something legal that the Browns won't like. Of course that may include enough money for his client that the Colts won't like it either...
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The league adopted stricter rules about the "Poison Pill" signing. Not that it is impossible. It is just a lot harder.

Bottom line: If Cleveland really wants to keep him they can. But there is a number above which the Browns probably won't choose to go. The question is whether that number will cripple the COLTS' cap.

I have to think that signing Costa- a low price second tier center that also can play guard is a sign of hope. If the COLTS thought no way, no how can they sign Mack they would have done better/more expensive- for example Dietrich Smith.

The uncertainty kinda sucks because Mack is just what the COLTS need. More than defense.

Job 1 is to protect Andrew and stop the first contact with our running backs 2 yards behind the LOS.
Edited by LACOLTSFAN, Mar 15 2014, 01:43 AM.
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2 Guards I really liked that flew under the radar are now gone as well. Geoff Schwartz to the NYG and Shelley Smith to the Fish. Willie Colon is still out there. He's nothing special, but does in nice job in the run game and is nasty. Who knows what eventually transpires with Mack, but I would have liked Smith as an acceptable fallback option. Doubt that Grigson DRAFTS another C, but maybe a roadgrader Guard, early. Adding a quality Guard could offset the weakness at the Center position. Sure couldn't hurt...
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Hopefully Thomas comes back healthy and makes a difference at guard. All three interior positions really play like one position. Upgrading any of the three makes the other two better.
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Mar 15 2014, 10:26 AM
Doubt that Grigson DRAFTS another C, but maybe a roadgrader Guard, early. Adding a quality Guard could offset the weakness at the Center position. Sure couldn't hurt...
IMO, either Yankey or Gabe Jackson would good insurance for Thomas and/or competition for Thornton, if they happened to be there when the Colts pick in rd 2. Maybe a guy like Bodine later on.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the Colts' first pick. They could still go a lot of different ways with it.
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