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Dungy Weighs in on Irsay
Topic Started: Mar 20 2014, 12:35 PM (371 Views)
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while Dungy has sympathy for Irsay, he said there’s no doubt in his mind that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell will hand down discipline, considering that Goodell has disciplined players, coaches and team executives who were arrested.

“I think they have to,” he said. “If the commissioner doesn’t step in with something I don’t think it will be good, so, yeah, something has to be done and hopefully everyone benefits from it.”


http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/20/dungy-feels-for-irsay-but-says-goodell-has-to-discipline-him/
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Weatherman
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Uh, isn't this a disease?? so you're going to punish an owner because he has a disease? His father was a drunk so it's most likely in his genes. Seems the wrong way to approach this.
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JediColt
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Yeah, alcoholism and drug addiction are diseases, but we still punish people in society when they drive drunk and when they buy, sell or possess illegal drugs.

For that matter Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer had mental illnesses, but I think locking them up for their crimes was the right thing to do.

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Mar 20 2014, 07:00 PM
For that matter Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer had mental illnesses, but I think locking them up for their crimes was the right thing to do.

I fail to see the similarity between Irsay and 2 individuals who are clearly insane
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I am very sympathetic to addiction, but you never hear anyone talking about how Justin Blackmon has a 'disease' even though he has multiple documented substance issues. There cannot be a double-standard.

I'm sure Irsay will get a large fine, and be barred from a couple home games or something. Players get suspended, so do owners. Other Goodell will have a mutiny on his hands.
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Mar 20 2014, 07:30 PM
JediColt
Mar 20 2014, 07:00 PM
For that matter Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer had mental illnesses, but I think locking them up for their crimes was the right thing to do.

I fail to see the similarity between Irsay and 2 individuals who are clearly insane
I'm just saying the "why are we punishing him?" question because addiction is an illness doesn't go very far.
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Just playing devil's advocate on the question. I'm pretty sick and tired of all these made up diseases we use as excuses for our bad decisions. I think the league should do something, but, along with that order him to rehab if he already isn't there.
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Mar 21 2014, 07:09 PM
Just playing devil's advocate on the question. I'm pretty sick and tired of all these made up diseases we use as excuses for our bad decisions. I think the league should do something, but, along with that order him to rehab if he already isn't there.
Definitely agree.

Extremely tired of hearing about how you cant necessarily blame people for their mistakes because of disorders or diseases or whatever. I get that an upbringing has to do with a lot of things, but some of this shit is just the general difference between right and wrong.
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LACOLTSFAN
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This all comes down to image and money.

Right. What doesn't?

The League has decided it will better market--- read make billions- if its image is clean. So they police. The League also sees that it will be accused of racism or elitism if it does not punish the owners like the players. That's the other aspect to the image part.

All one big circle jerk. Businessmen playing holier than thou when its all about the money.

I have my doubts whether anything other than performance enhancing drugs should be policed by the League. The individual teams, on the other hand, I see as different from the League and having the right to punish because they pay the player. Part of the bargain is that the player will be to in top form to earn his millions.
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I agree LACOLTSFAN, the league as a whole should only be worried about performance enhancing drugs. Any other drug use should be a team decision. I honestly can't see one good reason why teams or the league would need to drug test for anything else. As long as they meet their job requirements it shouldn't matter what they do in the free time.
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Mar 20 2014, 06:52 PM
Uh, isn't this a disease?? so you're going to punish an owner because he has a disease? His father was a drunk so it's most likely in his genes. Seems the wrong way to approach this.
I grew up with a step-dad who had a disease. He wasn't really responsible for slapping my mom around every time he decided to drink, which was very often. His disease made him drive to the liquor store. His disease made him turn EVERY single weekend into a horrific nightmare. Christmas eves hold particularly memorable memories for me filled with yelling and cussing and crying. I now feel so sorry for him, for what he went through....just like I feel SO sorry for Jim. It took me a while to come to this realization....seeing my drunk step-dad as the real victim. My mom was just collateral damage. But, when I was 14 I wasn't so understanding. He hit my mom and I jumped him. His disease seemed to get a bit better after I pushed his head through the sheet rock in our kitchen. If we had had tile in the kitchen I think maybe he would have been cured. Yea, it is absolutely wrong to punish Jim...its a disease.
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LACOLTSFAN
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I suppose there are two issues here:

(1) Is alcoholism a disease such as Lou Gehrig's disease, where the person should not be punished, and only treated?

(2) Should the NFL police what owners do if it does not affect the team?


Tough questions. Too tough for the likes of me on a football forum.
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Mar 25 2014, 03:19 AM
I suppose there are two issues here:

(1) Is alcoholism a disease such as Lou Gehrig's disease, where the person should not be punished, and only treated?

(2) Should the NFL police what owners do if it does not affect the team?


Tough questions. Too tough for the likes of me on a football forum.
Q#2 They should treat owners like all major participants in the game. Anything else smells bad.

Q#1 Liver disease is a disease. Heart disease is one too. Putting stuff down your throat that causes you to drive crazy and maybe kill innocents on the highway or your own family riding with you is just stupid behavior. But, once you are an alcoholic...does that make it a disease? The answer only matters to the health care and insurance industry's. Those people who are affected by the people with the addiction usually are more concerned with what behavior is coming today and what that will mean to them.

The better question is: Should we hold people accountable for their actions if they do something wrong while they have an addiction?

The answer is simple...We have no other choice but, Yes!

Experts say addiction is a 50/50 deal. Half of it is genetics and half of it is poor decision making. I guess its kinda like guy born with a pissy personality who also chooses to spend his leisure time doing extreme snowboarding with a GoPro strapped to his head. That makes for some fun video. It also means it'll be mostly just close family members and other idiot snowboarders who show up for his inevitable funeral. Do we hold these jackazzes accountable for their behavior or should we assign'em an acronym and apply for diseasehood? Personally, I say, call'em idiots and let'em go kill themselves. Drug and alcohol abusers? Call'em idiots and let'em kill themselves...but when they crash into your car or snowboard through your kids window, unannounced, you're gonna what to hold them accountable...which is nice for, Kick their damn brains out. I'm not against them getting help, I'm just against seeing them as victims of a terrible disease.

Bottom line is....when its over there it can be a disease.....when it over here, we see it differently.
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LACOLTSFAN
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Calling alcohol or drug addiction a disease does not grant a "free pass" to endanger other people. It just encourages society to assist in treatment.

Like all diseases.

For example, if someone has some horrible communicable disease, they should be in an isolation unit of a hospital. With locked doors. If they try to escape, you don't tell them its OK because they have a disease and let them endanger other people. You make sure they stay locked up. In restraints, if you have to.

Same with alcoholics who drive or become abusive.

You get them treatment. Lock them away if you have to. Protect other people.

They get "special privileges" only to the extent they have access to treatment. They don't have a "Get out of Jail free card" or diplomatic immunity for crimes.

Nothing says you can't protect the world from people with diseases.
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I think Irsay's erratic behavior might go beyond the drugs. I think he might have some sort of mental disorder on top of that. Whatever it is, it's unlikely he's gone this far in his life without having been treated before. He likely knows what he can and can't do and needs to be more disciplined about it. Easier said than done, especially when your rich and have a lot of free time on your hands.
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Rich people are treated a bit differently than us slobs.
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Mar 20 2014, 08:46 PM
I'm sure Irsay will get a large fine, and be barred from a couple home games or something.
Pretty much what I expect as well.
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Anything but draft picks, please.
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If it's draft picks then screw the NFL. Punishing a team, and thereby its fans, for the owner's DUI is absurd. You should take away draft picks when a team gets caught cheating or offering players bonus money for dirty hits - see Patriots and Saints.
Edited by Bent20, Mar 29 2014, 10:39 AM.
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Totally agree of course, but Goodell is a person drunk with power and is starting to get on my nerves.
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